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Mineral water in plastic bottles contaminated with hormones (Chems act like female hormones in body)
The Local.de ^ | 13 Mar 09

Posted on 03/13/2009 1:01:18 PM PDT by GonzoII

Scientists at Frankfurt University have shown that mineral water in plastic bottles is contaminated with chemicals which act like female hormones in the body.

A research project in conjunction with the German Environment Ministry showed that some were as contaminated as water from sewage works for the oestrogen-like substances.

Martin Wagner, who worked on the study, said in a statement, “When we started the work we did not expect to find such a massive oestrogen contamination in a foodstuff which is so strictly controlled.”

The scientists examined 20 different brands of mineral waters, 12 of which displayed heightened hormone content.

(Excerpt) Read more at thelocal.de ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Germany; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: health; plastic; plasticbottles; research; waterbottles
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1 posted on 03/13/2009 1:01:18 PM PDT by GonzoII
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Ping.


2 posted on 03/13/2009 1:02:54 PM PDT by GonzoII ("That they may be one...Father")
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To: GonzoII

Real men don’t drink bottled water. Unless it’s Perrier. ;-)


3 posted on 03/13/2009 1:02:55 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (While the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power.)
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To: GonzoII

May explain why most of Europe is surrendering without a fight to the muslim invaders...


4 posted on 03/13/2009 1:03:18 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: GonzoII

5 posted on 03/13/2009 1:03:42 PM PDT by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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To: GonzoII

Didn’t “they” just tell us a while back that most bottled water is just tap water?


6 posted on 03/13/2009 1:04:14 PM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: GonzoII

No pictures of big-breasted mineral-water drinking girly men...please!


7 posted on 03/13/2009 1:04:18 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (I am 63 days from outliving Andre the Giant)
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To: SamAdams76

Ted Kennedy explained.


8 posted on 03/13/2009 1:04:59 PM PDT by Perdogg (The difference between Madoff and the US Congress is about a trillion dollars)
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To: GonzoII

hmmm. So some grad student does his politically correct study to help in banning bottled water and plastic containers and his conclusion? “We don’t know the health effects ...”


9 posted on 03/13/2009 1:05:00 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: GonzoII
The study, which will be published in the Environmental Science and Pollution Research journal showed that those waters in PET plastic bottles had around twice as much oestrogen contamination as those in glass bottles. It is thought that the plastic ingredient bisphenol A, which acts like oestrogen, leaches out of the plastic bottles.

Sounds like it's the bottle and not the water. If you are drinking sodas in plastic bottles, you could also be at risk. I wonder about using plastic knives and forks. Or tupperware...

10 posted on 03/13/2009 1:06:05 PM PDT by a fool in paradise ("I certainly hope he (Bush) doesnÂ’t succeed" - Democratic strategist James Carville 9-11-2001)
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To: TornadoAlley3

*snicker*


11 posted on 03/13/2009 1:07:38 PM PDT by mylife ( The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: a fool in paradise
I sure wish I could go back in time and get a Coke made with real cane sugar (grass juice) in a beautiful green glass bottle.

Now , that was refreshing.

Anyone who could compare the two (crap HFCS soda of today) wouldn't even flush their toilet with todays stuff.

12 posted on 03/13/2009 1:11:26 PM PDT by norraad ("What light!">Blues Brothers)
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To: a fool in paradise

No, I don’t think it’s the plastic bottle, as only 12 out of the 20 plastic bottled waters tested positive for female hormones. Probably the hormones are in the water supply, a situation also becoming evident here in this country.

It promises to be problematic for our future, as using hormone treatments for a wide variety of medical problems is common.

Don’t know what can be done about it except to stop putting hormones in products.


13 posted on 03/13/2009 1:14:52 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!!)
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To: GonzoII

It’s a tin foil moment but ...

Lot’s of women are on the pill. They all pee. Some flush expired medicine down the toilet.

Estrogen and it analogs are very persistent in the water system.


14 posted on 03/13/2009 1:27:51 PM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
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To: norraad

“I sure wish I could go back in time and get a Coke made with real cane sugar (grass juice) in a beautiful green glass bottle.”


They still sell it, the Mexican stores often carry it.


15 posted on 03/13/2009 1:28:23 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney (guns)"instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people")
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To: GonzoII

Send to me immediately. My address is


16 posted on 03/13/2009 1:34:18 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: GonzoII

"I can no longer sit back and allow communist infiltration, communist indoctrination, communist subversion, and the international communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids."

17 posted on 03/13/2009 1:38:07 PM PDT by Leisler
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To: GonzoII
Article does not specify what water brands (water brand LOL) nor does it specify which country. Does this test include USA water?

Seems to point to mineral water, not plain water.

18 posted on 03/13/2009 1:46:36 PM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: 1_Rain_Drop
Deutschland
19 posted on 03/13/2009 1:51:56 PM PDT by GonzoII ("That they may be one...Father")
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To: GonzoII

The article is a farce. It never mentions the numeric levels of the elevation, nor does it discuss the safe limits as a basis for comparison.


20 posted on 03/13/2009 1:58:29 PM PDT by Panzerfaust
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To: GonzoII

Feh.

This is nothing more than a German pseudo-science attack on the global giant American-made Nalgene bottles.


21 posted on 03/13/2009 2:01:06 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (Palin / Limbaugh 2012)
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To: norraad
Pepsi has announced that they are bringing back sugar sweetened sodas!

Hey, they were the first to use HFCS! It forced Coca-Cola to follow suit. So maybe we'll get the original coke back too. Hope. Hope.

22 posted on 03/13/2009 2:07:39 PM PDT by 1ofmanyfree ((No jobs, licenses,mortgages,bank accounts or amnesty for any illegal alien criminals ! ))
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To: GonzoII

Maybe that is what caused the *Gay Outbreak* in many males all over the world...


23 posted on 03/13/2009 2:10:20 PM PDT by TaraP (The RAPTURE: Separation of Church and State)
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To: Blueflag
This is a bogus study!!!!! First of all the headline includes “Hormones” they are calling the contaminates an estrogen “like”
contaminate
. The wacky left has been after the bottle water industry and more specifically the plastic industry for decades.
BPA is a chemical used in PVC pipes(same as we all have in our homes)polycarbonate bottles, baby bottles and can liners (not PET like described in the article).

Some studies indicate it can leach into the product at very low (still FDA acceptable levels) if the container is heated above 180 degrees like what could happen from excessive microwaving or boiling in water. Anyone that gives a bottle of milk or other product heated above 180 degrees is going to have a much greater issue than BPA..... like severe burns from the heat of the contents.

FDA allows food-contact plastics for their intended use based on safety data. The process includes stringent requirements for estimating the levels at which such materials may transfer to the diet. FDA’s safety criteria require extensive toxicity testing for any substance that may be ingested at more than negligible levels. This means FDA has affirmatively determined that, when plastics are used as intended in food-contact applications, the nature and amount of substances that may migrate, if any, are safe.

Here is a good conspiracy nugget. GE owned both NBC and GE Plastics which was the worlds largest supplier of Polycarbonate (Lexan). Five months after selling the GE Plastics Unit to a Saudi Arabian company, Matt Laurer (employee of GE) does a hit piece on Polycarbonate and BPA.

They did not allow the the new owners of GE Plastics or anyone else from the plastics industry to appear on the show to defend this so called evil product that is used in millions of products from medical devices too hockey helmets.

Matt's parent company felt completely fine selling the product for the last several decades. Did they know something and dump it on the Saudis? Yes they did they knew it was safe but saw the writing on the wall and dumped it.

The left went after polycarbonate in the early nineties then saying it was a cancer causer. Unable to make that stick they moved on to the latest creative threat artificial hormones! They inject rats with high levels of BPA (we are talking about a chemical that may be “ingested at very low levels (Parts Per Billions) not injected at thousands of times exposure levels.

One would have to drink 66,000 liters of water per day to reach the FDA allowable limit. Failing to get anywhere with this they have moved on to a new tactic. Their studies show very low levels could be a problem. They tack it to early onset puberty and I have even seen the attempt to suggest it may cause autism. My guess is this looked like the next holy grail for the Bar Association.

For more information on scientific studies Google the National Drinking Water Foundation and Bottle Water Matters.

Also Enjoybottledwater.org The 2nd two websites have petitions please sign them. Another attempt to attack a very healthy safe and in demand product in the effort to crush private sector jobs in favor of tap water, union workers and pseudo environmentalists.

The Bottled Water Industry has donated millions of dollars of product to Katrina and other natural disasters as well as Man made disasters such as 911.
God forbid San Francisco has another earthquake....municipal water systems don't run without electricity.

24 posted on 03/13/2009 3:07:13 PM PDT by Blacksheep (Will the last business owner to leave New Jersey please kick Corzine!)
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To: Blacksheep

Thanks. That’s a great summary of how bogus this is. A total fraud. I’m sure if you dig deep enough you will find one of the major sponsors of this “research” is a group of tort lawyers. Just watch, they will now proceed to sue the plastics and bottle manufacturers for “damages” based on this frivolous trash passing itself off as science.


25 posted on 03/13/2009 3:38:56 PM PDT by Cincinnatus.45-70 (Patriotism to DemocRats is like sunlight to Dracula.)
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To: norraad
I sure wish I could go back in time and get a Coke made with real cane sugar (grass juice) in a beautiful green glass bottle.

There are all kinds of sugar-sweetened colas on the market in glass bottles - they just aren't named "Coke". Boylan Cane Cola, as an example, is outstanding - far better tasting than any Coke or Pepsi product ever made.

26 posted on 03/13/2009 3:46:37 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("One man's 'magic' is another man's engineering. 'Supernatural' is a null word." -- Robert Heinlein)
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To: a fool in paradise
Several years ago I investigated the research at the time on bisphenol A. And yes, certain types of plastics leach biphenol A and pthalates. Based on the research at that time and my personal investigation regarding xenoestrogens, I stopped drinking bottled waters and sodas, stopped heating any of my foods in/on plastic in the microwave.

People thought I was weird at the time, but it is bearing out to be true.

The problem is this stuff is pervasive in our modern world. You will find it in your canned foods too, unless you do your own mason jar canning. It's in lotions, makeups, shampoos, soaps....

I think this is what has affected our young peoples sexual identity issues.

27 posted on 03/13/2009 3:48:36 PM PDT by EBH (The world is a balance between good & evil, your next choice will tip the scale.)
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To: EBH

You’re joking right?


28 posted on 03/13/2009 3:53:37 PM PDT by Blacksheep (Will the last business owner to leave New Jersey please kick Corzine!)
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To: Blacksheep

One study at the time was a cancer study.

They were testing some chemical and for weeks it had bore out that it was non-carcinogenic. Then ...someone ordered new plastic petri dishes. And they found cancer growing in their cultures where it had not before. Further investigation indicated it was not the test chemical, but a leachate from the plastic petri dish.

As someone up thread has said, our ingestion of this stuff is below the FDA levels. What is not accounted for is all other forms of combined exposure.


29 posted on 03/13/2009 3:59:21 PM PDT by EBH (The world is a balance between good & evil, your next choice will tip the scale.)
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To: GonzoII

bisphenol A is BAD juju; about as bad as it gets in today’s consumer world.

DO NOT microwave ANY plastic ware. EVEN the dishes food comes in. Switch to glass.

DO NOT put the ANY plastic stuff (even those pans Marie Calendars stuff comes in) in the oven.

DO NOT use soft baby bottles. (the big mfgrs have said they are going to remove bisphenol A from their products but I do not believe them)

While I am at it get rid of all your teflon coated pans. Next worst juju


30 posted on 03/13/2009 4:13:31 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Why?)
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To: Blacksheep

http://www.cdc.gov/exposurereport/pdf/factsheet_bisphenol.pdf

http://www.cdc.gov/exposurereport/

This study does NOT surprise me in the least.


31 posted on 03/13/2009 4:13:41 PM PDT by EBH (The world is a balance between good & evil, your next choice will tip the scale.)
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To: GonzoII

What’s the difference between a vitamin and a hormone?

You can’t make a vita min.

/Benny Hill Joke


32 posted on 03/13/2009 4:16:03 PM PDT by dfwgator (1996 2006 2008 - Good Things Come in Threes)
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To: GonzoII
Most of the great civilizations, people rarely drank water. They drank wine, beer, or tea. In other words, their water either had alcohol in it, or was boiled.

That seems to solve one of the main problems of organizing a civilization: setting up an urban center (dense population), and securing clean water protected from the effluents that come from a lot of people in close proximity.

Of course, there are new and different variations of the problem now. One possible distinction --- here I'm just musing or speculating --- would be between women's naturally-occurring estrogens on the one hand, and estrogenic chemicals used in oral contraceptives and hormone-replacement therapies on the other. Women's naturally-occuring estrogens are at a level normal for the body and quite complexly in-sync with other hormones, metabolic products and catalysts. The healthy body knows how to use or metabolize them effectively.

On the other hand, even HRT estrogen can put women's bodies seriously out-if-whack. Females my age have been really whiplashed by the controversies over the past 20 years: women who faithfully and conscientiously "treated" menopause on their doctor's advice, found themselves at elevated risk for pulmonary embolism, coronary heart disease and stroke, even greater risk of osteoporosis (which it was supposed to prevent or cure). And then they kept re-jiggering the dosages and tweaking the formulations to add varying amounts of progesterone and even testosterone, etc.

One's evaluation of it depends on what one considers to be "optimal, normal" menopause, which has never been adequately defined ---or even whether menopause itself is considered a healthy phase or a regrettabke and reversible symptom of aging and decline.

It's even more striking with OC's, where the purpose of the hormone is to thwart what are clearly healthy and natural physiological processes. My hypothesis is that deliberately disrupting normal cycles interferes with the body's ability to regulate levels; hence the body just tries to excrete the excess.

That's just my guess.

33 posted on 03/13/2009 5:32:19 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("The first duty of intelligent men of our day is the restatement of the obvious. " - George Orwell)
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To: norraad
I sure wish I could go back in time and get a Coke made with real cane sugar (grass juice) in a beautiful green glass bottle.

Most Coke sold overseas seems to retain the original taste (as remembered over many decades). The modern American stuff.. well...

34 posted on 03/13/2009 5:42:04 PM PDT by sionnsar (Iran Azadi | 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | "Tax the rich" fails if the rich won't play)
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To: norraad

Well you can’t get Coke, but Goose Island makes sugar sweetened sodas, root beer, orange, and grape. I had one awhile back I got at Hy-Vee, they’re like being 5 years old again. Their beer is good too.

http://www.gooseislandsoda.com/


35 posted on 03/13/2009 8:57:18 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (No prisoners. No mercy. 2010 awaits.....)
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To: GonzoII
Geesh, that's no reason for yelling and in blood too.
Having a bad day?
36 posted on 03/13/2009 10:34:54 PM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: 1_Rain_Drop

I was just being artistic. ;0)


37 posted on 03/13/2009 10:39:24 PM PDT by GonzoII ("That they may be one...Father")
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To: GonzoII

This explains all the metrosexuals?


38 posted on 03/13/2009 10:40:17 PM PDT by Allegra ( Never argue with an idiot. They bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.)
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To: Panzerfaust
"The article is a farce. It never mentions the numeric levels of the elevation, nor does it discuss the safe limits as a basis for comparison."

You can stay tuned:

"The study, which will be published in the Environmental Science and Pollution Research journal"

39 posted on 03/13/2009 10:51:55 PM PDT by GonzoII ("That they may be one...Father")
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To: EBH
OK name the study and produce a link to it.
Don't worry the GOV's going solve this trumped up crisis.
Feinstein just introduced a bill to ban it in all food contact packaging.
Checkmate! This is going to crush the small bottled water companies that use polycarbonate reusable bottles for their product.
This will cut the field to a few large companies...nice work champion of small business. The left wing wackos such as NDRC are all ready lined up to go after the alternative plastics as well. Boys this is about Petrolium related products! A few villafied products come to mind cyclamates, silicone breast implants etc....
Ban first ask questions later.
Bottled water has not resulted in any verified illness to a single American. The same can not be said of tap water.

A coworker of mine at the time (HIV positive) died from the Milwaukee outbreak of cryptosporidium in the 90's along with many others. Big surprise BPA is in PVC pipes. Guess what Government water system has millions of miles of PVC pipes?

How many home owners have PVC pipes. Sounds like a new crisis coming!

No legitimate studies have proved any of the claims about this material being harmful as normally used.

40 posted on 03/15/2009 7:34:03 AM PDT by Blacksheep (The government's not broke.....they still have checks!)
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