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Suburbia R.I.P.
FastCompany.com via Yahoo! Finance ^ | March 12, 2009 | Michael Cannell

Posted on 03/13/2009 8:07:51 PM PDT by Disambiguator

The downturn has accomplished what a generation of designers and planners could not: it has turned back the tide of suburban sprawl. In the wake of the foreclosure crisis many new subdivisions are left half built and more established suburbs face abandonment. Cul-de-sac neighborhoods once filled with the sound of backyard barbecues and playing children are falling silent. Communities like Elk Grove, Calif., and Windy Ridge, N.C., are slowly turning into ghost towns with overgrown lawns, vacant strip malls and squatters camping in empty homes.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bho44; economy; landuse; mortgage; suburbia; suburbs
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This requires a mild barf alert, IMHO. All the symptoms described here, and the "solution" presented, are all part of a plan to get everyone jammed back into cities.

I'm sure we'll see more of this kind of agitprop in the coming days.

1 posted on 03/13/2009 8:07:51 PM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: Disambiguator

Thanks a lot, Liberalism.

Spread the pain around, not the wealth. That’s Liberalism.


2 posted on 03/13/2009 8:10:48 PM PDT by deannadurbin
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To: Disambiguator

Nothing short of millions of inconvenient people dying, along with their kids and their barbecues, will satisfy these PC freaks.


3 posted on 03/13/2009 8:13:31 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Disambiguator

The difficult part is when owners just abandon homes and let them go to weed. It costs the cities at least $10,000 just to raze them. Cities like Detroit are absolutely blighted with these abandoned homes. If they were turned back into green space those places would be much more livable.


4 posted on 03/13/2009 8:13:38 PM PDT by Birch T. Barlow (Loose lips sink ships.)
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To: Disambiguator

Who writes this sh&*? Bet he NEVER even researched this nonsense...probably flows right out of his little mind.


6 posted on 03/13/2009 8:17:16 PM PDT by mo
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To: Disambiguator

I’m already seeing it. My public library has shown a couple movies with discussion afterwords on the death of suburbia. All over towns and cities near Chicago are ugly townhomes being built in the down town areas. I’m sure it’s going around all over the country too.


7 posted on 03/13/2009 8:17:50 PM PDT by LauraJean (sometimes I win sometimes I donate to the equine benevolent society)
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To: Disambiguator

So a $500K house in the suburbs foreclosed upon is more of a blight than the $500K house in the urban center?

This guy is just wishful thinking. Families aren’t going to leave the suburbs for urban life. There is not one major city school system that is decent. Property taxes are usually higher, and people are willing to put up with commutes so their kids have a yard to play in.


8 posted on 03/13/2009 8:21:05 PM PDT by keepitreal (Obama brings change: an international crisis (terrorism) within 6 months)
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To: Disambiguator

Blarney.


9 posted on 03/13/2009 8:29:09 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (ALSO SPRACH ZEROTHUSTRA)
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To: keepitreal

Yea, these “urban planners” have been trying to eliminate suburbs and “expansion” for a long time....they can just keep wishing we march in step to their “plans”....wait until they control our “healthcare”....I’d bet “cities only”, must go to the urban hellhole for “care”. I’d also betLOTS of rationing and hoops to jump thru.


10 posted on 03/13/2009 8:31:59 PM PDT by cfrels
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To: Disambiguator
I would gladly live in a half finished development and fight vandals daily than to live in the socialist hell hole of Philadelphia (or Detroit or...)
11 posted on 03/13/2009 8:34:29 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: keepitreal

I have absolutely no desire to leave Wetumpka and move back into Montgomery, with the high crime, high taxes, wasteful government and declining standard of living.


12 posted on 03/13/2009 8:34:40 PM PDT by yawningotter
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To: cfrels

You have never encountered a smaller mind than a city planner.


13 posted on 03/13/2009 8:36:17 PM PDT by ChadsDad (never post email.)
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To: Birch T. Barlow

Because of the building code process, and the fact that it is practically impossible in a place like Detroit to rehab a place yourself without using expensive contractors for all the various trades, they’re getting what they deserve from too much regulation.


14 posted on 03/13/2009 8:37:38 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Obama: Carter's only chance to avoid going down in history as the worst U.S. president ever.)
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To: Disambiguator
Mostly B.S. But I agree with this:

"The New York Times, visited one such tract mansion that was split into four units, or "quartets," each with its own entrance, which is not unlike what happened to many stately homes in the 1930s. The difference, of course, is that the 1930s homes held up because they were made with solid materials, and today's spec homes are all hollow doors, plastic columns and faux stone facades."

This light construction does not hold up to the types that are moving in. I have been in apartments where every door and bi-fold closet door were torn off the hinges. I always heard the same crap from the tenants that the crap was cheap. Sure it's cheap but these people would tear up anything that wasn't solid wood, metal or nailed down. And of course they want everything replaced for free. Don't get me started on what they do to appliances. Dishwashers and toilets were the worst. Refrigerators and stoves were just plain nasty.

15 posted on 03/13/2009 8:39:16 PM PDT by BBell
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To: Disambiguator
New York is at a relative advantage, despite losing a chunk of its financial engine, because the jostling proximity of architects, fashion designers, software writers and other creative types will reenergize its economy.

MAjor barf alert. Isn't this what "that man" is all about? Creating a depression so all their maoist ideas can be foisted upon us? B@stards!

16 posted on 03/13/2009 8:39:49 PM PDT by ichabod1 (I am rolling over in my grave and I am not even dead yet (GOP Poet))
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To: Disambiguator

What arrogant jerks.

They were wrong 20 years ago and they are still wrong today.

You will never get me to move into an urban city - ever.


17 posted on 03/13/2009 8:40:17 PM PDT by DB
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To: Disambiguator
"If Americans think they've been grifted by Goldman Sachs and Bernie Madoff, wait until they find out what a swindle the so-called 'American Dream' of suburban life turns out to be," he wrote on his blog this week.

It is just incredible, the knee-jerk contempt that liberals have for suburbia. It's like it's written into their DNA, a psychological tic that they all have. To have a nice house away from the city with a lawn for the kids to play in -- this is a swindle on par with Madoff to a lib. Incredible.

18 posted on 03/13/2009 8:40:30 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Disambiguator

I’m kinda enjoying our “suburbia blight”....lots of empty lots (about 14 acres worth right behind us) and an empty lot next to us....I’m planting wild flower seeds, and cuttings of snowball bushes and other plants and shrubs on these lots...since I don’t think anyone cares, or will be building for a long time......and enjoying the sunshine because...the stupid “city planners” planned lots so small that you have very little space between the homes.....and little sun, when a house towers over you.


19 posted on 03/13/2009 8:42:43 PM PDT by goodnesswins (Conservative and fighting for freedom and liberty....whether you like it or not.)
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To: keepitreal

Almost all of the foreclosure “crisis” is happening in less than 10 cities. Democrat sh!tholes like Detroit, Cleveland, and good old sodom and gomorrah on the west cost (sf and la for those of you in Rio Linda.)


20 posted on 03/13/2009 8:42:46 PM PDT by ichabod1 (I am rolling over in my grave and I am not even dead yet (GOP Poet))
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To: Disambiguator
Well, wishful thinking but looking the other way and pretending it isn't so, namely businesses and industries follow employees towards suburbia.
Enough of big city union haggling, being non discriminative, not a sexist, etc, etc.
Change of scenery has healing power.
21 posted on 03/13/2009 8:43:37 PM PDT by hermgem (Will Olmr)
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To: ichabod1

That fact is the Internet (really data communications) allows people to leave the cities and continue doing their architecture design, fashion design, software writing anywhere they damn well please.

I did it more than 20 years ago and I’m not going back. I know others that have done the same.


22 posted on 03/13/2009 8:44:17 PM PDT by DB
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To: hermgem

People move to suburbia for many reasons, but around where I live they also do it because you can get so much more house for the money. It more than makes up the extra cost in gas. And if what they say is true, the burbs will become cheaper still.

This isn’t the first time this has happened. In the oil bust of 1982 whole neighborhoods in Houston went empty for a while. And, though I hate to say it, many of them didn’t really recover. They turned into urban sh!tholes of squatters and section 8 losers.

Sure, people are moving back in — sometimes it’s because the crime and criminals have followed them out. But it’s fun to live inside where there’s so much more going on... nightlife, culture.


23 posted on 03/13/2009 8:50:29 PM PDT by ichabod1 (I am rolling over in my grave and I am not even dead yet (GOP Poet))
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To: Disambiguator
Living in Florida, I can easily tell of a dozen or so large suburban developments I am familiar with that failed when booms went bust but were later revived successfully.

Suburb haters ought to consider that the dimensions of the average suburban lot are similar to those set for millenia by families settled in small villages in rural Africa. Granted, few American suburban families keep goats, chickens, and a vegetable patch next to the house, but suburban yards give a deeply appealing sense of privacy and outdoor leisure.

24 posted on 03/13/2009 8:51:30 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: DB

I got sidetracked, but the reason I posted that quote was to make the point that fashion designers and architects are pretty much useless when it comes to the real work of making a city go.


25 posted on 03/13/2009 8:52:24 PM PDT by ichabod1 (I am rolling over in my grave and I am not even dead yet (GOP Poet))
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To: Disambiguator

“Cul-de-sac neighborhoods once filled with the sound of backyard barbecues and playing children are falling silent. Communities like Elk Grove, Calif., and Windy Ridge, N.C., are slowly turning into ghost towns with overgrown lawns, vacant strip malls and squatters camping in empty homes.”

Yeah, everywhere you go, this is what you see. Bread lines, tent cities, dead bodies in the streets. /s


26 posted on 03/13/2009 8:55:44 PM PDT by Marie2 (Ora et labora)
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To: goodnesswins

I’ve often daydreamed about 10 or 20 families, Christians in my dream world, purchasing every other house on a blighted city block or two, and moving in. It would be an instant good neighborhood. All those families could help each other out, plant a church, and get a house for $5,000. They could minister together in the city. If it were up to me, I’d do it.


27 posted on 03/13/2009 8:58:33 PM PDT by Marie2 (Ora et labora)
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To: Marie2

Hmmm...there’s probably places in Detroit, Chicago, Arizona, or Florida, where you might be able to do that...to a certain extent at least....just don’t TELL anyone your Christians....that’ll put you in a fishbowl!!!


28 posted on 03/13/2009 9:08:51 PM PDT by goodnesswins (Conservative and fighting for freedom and liberty....whether you like it or not.)
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To: nomad

I live in an inner city neighborhood now, and I love it.


29 posted on 03/13/2009 9:13:07 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: goodnesswins

Yeah, you know, we could do it as a mission work. I’m not recruiting, because Mr. Marie would never go for it. But I still think it’s a good idea.


30 posted on 03/13/2009 9:21:05 PM PDT by Marie2 (Ora et labora)
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To: BBell

“Refrigerators and stoves were just plain nasty.”

Mirrors the tenants.


31 posted on 03/13/2009 9:22:45 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: ChadsDad
You have never encountered a smaller mind than a city planner.

I once lived next door to the city planner in Apache Junction, AZ (a nice town since gone to seed). Put a couple drinks in the guy and the jerk really came out.

32 posted on 03/13/2009 10:19:42 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Obama's next program: Kopechne Care)
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To: Disambiguator
My mailing address is Ann Arbor. That's close enough as it is. I do not want to move to city limits where nothing is allowed.

Besides, it costs more to live in city limits than it does outside of the city, unless I move to the slums in Ypsi.

33 posted on 03/13/2009 10:26:21 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (Obama = Jimmy Carter II)
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To: B-Chan

I’ve lived in a suburb and two different major urban centers. The suburb was pleasant, but yeah, boring as heck. If you need anything, it’s like a 20 minute drive to get there, no night life, etc. The first urban place was a complete ghetto (I was in college), my neighbors stole my mail, I was renting from a slumlord, not fun. Now a live in a pretty cool city though, and I can walk around the corner to the grocery, I live near a big park, there are probably 15 each of clubs, bars (no need to drive!) and churches within easy walking distance, depending on your mood =)

I bet i’ll want to move out to the suburbs when I’m older and have kids, but being young and in a city rocks.


34 posted on 03/13/2009 10:26:24 PM PDT by OH4life
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To: ichabod1
Richard Florida

That's all I needed to see. He's the major founder of the "new urbanism" and "creative class" junk that is all the rage these days.

35 posted on 03/13/2009 10:29:24 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (Obama = Jimmy Carter II)
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To: Cicero
Nothing short of millions of inconvenient people dying, along with their kids and their barbecues, will satisfy these PC freaks.

Millions? You grossly underestimate them, I'm afraid. I keep thinking back to those pony-tailed fiends who say that the Earth should really only have a billion or so people on it.
36 posted on 03/13/2009 10:30:22 PM PDT by Antoninus (So now "change" is defined as "more of the same, but worse"?)
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To: Disambiguator

Rabbit hutches are for liberals and idiots!


37 posted on 03/13/2009 10:38:10 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: ElkGroveDan
Communities like Elk Grove, Calif., and Windy Ridge, N.C., are slowly turning into ghost towns with overgrown lawns, vacant strip malls and squatters camping in empty homes.

Is this true?

38 posted on 03/13/2009 10:39:49 PM PDT by aposiopetic
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Is this true?

No.

40 posted on 03/13/2009 10:53:43 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (Reagan is back, and this time he's a woman.)
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To: ElkGroveDan

Thanks. Sounded fishy.


41 posted on 03/13/2009 10:56:54 PM PDT by aposiopetic
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To: Marie2

I’m Jewish, and I’d move into that neighborhood with you...I’ll do the baking. :)


42 posted on 03/13/2009 11:46:51 PM PDT by Hildy
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To: ChadsDad

You have never encountered a smaller mind than a city planner.
***Almost tagline worthy


43 posted on 03/13/2009 11:50:57 PM PDT by Kevmo ( It's all over for this Country as a Constitutional Republic. ~Leo Donofrio, 12/14/08)
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To: Jeff Chandler
Apache Junction? How was the Renaissance Festival this year?

Cheers!

44 posted on 03/14/2009 4:57:11 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Disambiguator

The big city Marxists live in fear of being surrounded by heavily armed Christians living in the countryside. Their water and food could be shut off anytime so they also fear that. Plus they don’t have the intelligence or skill to produce their own food. Hell, most liberals don’t know how to turn the water on in their rat box tenements. We in the countryside could bring the big city Marxists to their knees and make them our slaves, but we’re Christian about it and allow them to live. Don’t know for how much longer, though.


45 posted on 03/14/2009 6:25:49 AM PDT by sergeantdave (obuma is the anti-Lincoln, trying to re-establish slavery)
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To: Marie2
We certainly don't want any Jews to move in and bring down property prices.
46 posted on 03/14/2009 6:27:44 AM PDT by starlifter (Sapor Amo Pullus)
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To: Yardstick
It is just incredible, the knee-jerk contempt that liberals have for suburbia. It's like it's written into their DNA, a psychological tic that they all have. To have a nice house away from the city with a lawn for the kids to play in -- this is a swindle on par with Madoff to a lib. Incredible.

It's made worse by the fact that many suburbanites are also *gasp* gun owners!

47 posted on 03/14/2009 7:27:20 AM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: Disambiguator

Wishful thinking on this author’s part...one word...schools. Most city schools are awful-can’t send your dog to one. Private schools are very expensive these days so the Suburbs will be back...even the next generation (my kids for example) talks about that house with a white picket fence.


48 posted on 03/14/2009 7:39:59 AM PDT by nyconse (When you buy something, make an investment in your country. Buy American or bye bye America)
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To: Disambiguator; All

Satisfaction in the suburbs

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2203817/posts


49 posted on 03/14/2009 8:56:22 AM PDT by Lorianne
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To: aposiopetic

Thank you for pointing it out. I sent a note to the author asking him to tell me exactly which street or neighborhood he was talking about.


50 posted on 03/14/2009 11:41:13 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (Reagan is back, and this time he's a woman.)
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