[joygrace]

My concerns are many with this Bill.

What gives the Government the right to require individuals to give 3 years service under the guise of “volunteer” service? It is not explicit exactly who is required but I think they get the Bill passed and then iron out the details.

It talks about uniforms and “camps.” They revise the word “camps” and call it “campus.” There is language about Seniors and Community organizations.

Some language in the Bill is particularly disturbing like:

- “leverage Federal investments to increase State, local, business, and philanthropic resources to address national and local challenges;

- encourage national service efforts to address pressing national challenges, such as improving education for low-income students, increasing energy conservation, and improving the health, well-being, and economic opportunities of the neediest individuals in the Nation;

-expand and strengthen service-learning programs through year-round opportunities, including during the summer months, to improve the education of children and youth and to maximize the benefits of national and community service, in order to renew the ethic of civic responsibility and the spirit of community to children and youth throughout the United States;

- increase service opportunities for our Nation's retiring professionals

-encourage members of the Baby Boom generation to partake in service opportunities

- Civilian Community Corps shall be called the "National Civilian Community Corps"

-the Director determines appropriate "Uniforms"

Why does the Government have to create Laws to make people Volunteer? The Government should NOT legislate Volunteerism.

-How much money will this National program cost?

-Take note of the Miscellaneous Section (Title VI) of the Bill. Very Strange!!!

-Sec. 601. Amtrak waste disposal. -Sec. 602. Exchange program with countries in transition from totalitarianism to Democracy.

[mylife]

[CORedneck]

Service unto der Fuhrer !

[Faith]

We all know where this leads.

[ErnBatavia]

What gives the Government the right to require individuals to give 3 years service

Nothing....can't be done.

[LucyT]

PingList

[cj2a]

From the Misc. section, #6104: (6) Whether a workable, fair, and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people could be developed, and how such a requirement could be implemented in a manner that would strengthen the social fabric of the Nation and overcome civic challenges by bringing together people from diverse economic, ethnic, and educational backgrounds.

MANDATORY!

[joygrace]

Here is the Obama spin on it:

http://edlabor.house.gov/blog/2009/03/the-generations-invigorating-v.shtml

The above link is an article from the Department of Education and Labor.

I am concerned about “Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.” This Bill doesn’t sound like FREEDOM to me no matter how you dress it up.

It makes me feel sick inside. If anyone else has another take please share?

[Recovering_Democrat]

I will not go to any Obama camp. Ever.

[An Old Man]

Are they going to print the little red books in English or will we all have to learn another language like Ebonics?

[FocusNexus]

“Health Care Corps”, “Clean Energy Corps” — it’s scary — why don’t they just call them “Obama’s ENFORCER Corps”.

[napscoordinator]

I don’t have an issue with this if it makes people who get free money for college, welfare payments, EIC bennies, WIC payments, unemployment, and anything possible penny from the government. You need to pay for it through volunteering, forced volunteering or otherwise. Otherwise I don’t support this at all.

[tomkat]

[Markos33]

Your paypaz pleeze.

Your paypaz ah not in ordah.

[Red Steel]

“National Civilian Community Corps” (NCCP)

Hmmmmmm...looks too close to this:

NCCP = CCCP

[ETL]

From the Louis Farrakhan, Nation of Islam website, FinalCall.com...
Malik Zulu Shabazz, chairman of the New Black Panther Party for Self-Defense (NBPP):
"We are happy today to be standing side by side with the Nation of Islam. We believe, like the Nation of Islam and the Honorable Elijah Muhammad believe, in a nation of our own. We believe in a Black first philosophy and a Black Liberation Theology. We don’t worry about the criticism. We love all of those who labored in the Panther Party from the ’60s. Many are with us today."
http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/article_1858.shtml
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Millions More Movement rally
Washington D.C., October 15, 2005
Louis Farrakhan speech

Louis Farrakhan, at the Millions More Movement rally in DC, Oct 15, 2005:

From Louis Farrakhan's "Nation Of Islam" website, FinalCall.com...
Re: Millions More Movement rally, Oct 15, 2005:

Unity generates power to change reality
By the Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan

"The time has never been more ripe for a strategic relationship between the Black, Brown, Native American and the poor of this nation and the world."

"We need a Ministry of Defense. Our young men are born soldiers, but they are in the wrong war. They are fighting a war in the streets of America against each other, or they are fighting an unjust war overseas in Afghanistan and Iraq. We need to bring our boys home and put them into the Ministry of Defense, so we can defend our communities, rather than destroy our communities.

We need a Ministry of Art and Culture. We applaud the hip hop community, the leaders of young people all over the world, but I want the young generation of artists to know there is a bigger purpose for art and culture than popping our fingers and shaking our backsides. Mao Tse Tung, throughout his long march to conquer China, had a billion people whose lives he had to transform. Many of them were victims of opium, drugs and prostitution, like we are. But Mao Tse Tung went to the cultural community and they accepted his idea. Then, through song, dance, poetry, drama, documentaries, movies and books, the idea of Mao Tse Tung became the idea of a billion people. China became a world power on the base of culture and the artistic community. If we had a Ministry of Art and Culture in every city, [we'd] create this movement [in the U.S.], we could say to our young people, “What is the idea of the Time and are you reflecting that idea in your songs, dance and music?

We need a Ministry of Trade and Commerce. Do you think that a Millions More Movement should not be involved in the development of Africa, the Caribbean and Central America? ... we need a Ministry of Trade and Commerce that can link the struggle here with Africa and the Caribbean, Central and South America.

Source: FinalCall.com
(note: this is Farrakhan's own "Nation Of Islam" website. However, the original page has 'mysteriously' been removed and it exists only in this linked cache form, thus the looong url -etl):
http://74.6.239.67/search/cache?ei=UTF-8&p=%22We+need+a+Ministry+of+Defense.+Our+young+men+are+born+soldiers%2C+but+they+are+in+the+wrong+war.%22%22mao%22&fr=moz2&u=www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/article_4328.shtml&w=%22we+need+a+ministry+of+defense+our+young+men+are+born+soldiers+but+they+are+in+the+wrong+war%22+mao&d=A4xrG52uSSxU&icp=1&.intl=us
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Louis Farrakhan, Santiago de Cuba, February, 1998: "There is not a member of the black masses in the United States who is not proud of the example set by Cuba and its revolution, with Comandante Fidel at its head"
Source: http://www.fiu.edu/~fcf/farakhan21898.html#says
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"Minister Farrakhan and his delegation met privately with President Fidel Castro of Cuba."
http://www.finalcall.com/media/cuba/
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Louis Farrakhan, at the annual Saviours' Day celebration in Chicago, Feb. 25, 2008: "This young man is the hope of the entire world that America will change and be made better"..."If you look at Barack Obama's audiences and look at the effect of his words, those people are being transformed."
Source: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23333598/

Video of Farrakhan's Obama endorsement at the above 'annual Saviours' Day celebration in Chicago, Feb. 25, 2008'. Hear him (Farrakhan) call Obama "The Messiah" And speak of "universal change":
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=farrakhan+messiah+obama&aq=0&oq=Farrakhan+messiah

[Fiddlstix]

Ping

[BuckeyeTexan]

No. I will not be forced to volunteer for Obama.

I WILL DEFEND MYSELF AND MY FAMILY if it becomes necessary.

[AbeLincoln]

Where in the bill does it require individuals to give 3 years of service? I couldn’t find it.

[Shqipo]

>>>...increasing energy conservation<<<
-Enviro-Nazis rejoice: you'll finally be made official with uniforms and all. Time to embrace the 2nd Amendment even harder for regular Americans.

[Red Steel]

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H.R.1388
Title: To reauthorize and reform the national service laws.
Sponsor: Rep McCarthy, Carolyn [NY-4] (introduced 3/9/2009)      Cosponsors (25)
Latest Major Action: 3/11/2009 House committee/subcommittee actions. Status: Ordered to be Reported (Amended) by the Yeas and Nays: 34 - 3.

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COSPONSORS(25), ALPHABETICAL [followed by Cosponsors withdrawn]:     (Sort: by date)

Rep Altmire, Jason [PA-4] - 3/12/2009
Rep Andrews, Robert E. [NJ-1] - 3/9/2009
Rep Clarke, Yvette D. [NY-11] - 3/12/2009
Rep Courtney, Joe [CT-2] - 3/9/2009
Rep Fattah, Chaka [PA-2] - 3/12/2009
Rep Grijalva, Raul M. [AZ-7] - 3/9/2009
Rep Hare, Phil [IL-17] - 3/9/2009
Rep Hinojosa, Ruben [TX-15] - 3/9/2009
Rep Hirono, Mazie K. [HI-2] - 3/9/2009
Rep Holt, Rush D. [NJ-12] - 3/12/2009
Rep Kildee, Dale E. [MI-5] - 3/9/2009
Rep Klein, Ron [FL-22] - 3/12/2009
Rep Kucinich, Dennis J. [OH-10] - 3/12/2009
Rep Maloney, Carolyn B. [NY-14] - 3/12/2009
Rep Miller, George [CA-7] - 3/9/2009
Rep Payne, Donald M. [NJ-10] - 3/12/2009
Rep Polis, Jared [CO-2] - 3/9/2009
Rep Rangel, Charles B. [NY-15] - 3/12/2009
Rep Sablan, Gregorio [MP] - 3/9/2009
Rep Sestak, Joe [PA-7] - 3/9/2009
Rep Shea-Porter, Carol [NH-1] - 3/12/2009
Rep Tonko, Paul D. [NY-21] - 3/9/2009
Rep Van Hollen, Chris [MD-8] - 3/12/2009
Rep Welch, Peter [VT] - 3/12/2009
Rep Woolsey, Lynn C. [CA-6] - 3/12/2009

[PapaBear3625]

The program talks about earning "educational awards" via this service. What I suspect is the plan:

(1) Establish this "national service" as a way to get federal student aid for college;

(2) Soon to be followed by a reduction/elimination of other forms of federal student aid;

(3) Thus mandating a successful term of service as a condition for the non-wealthy getting through college. This term of service will take place under conditions where political orientation will be closely examined, indoctrination will be thorough, and the work will be for the benefit of Leftist organization.

I predict that this will be seen as a way to ensure that only the politically-correct will have access to professional careers.

[Stentor]

-encourage members of the Baby Boom generation to partake in service opportunities

They can stuff it sideways.

[bootless]

We’ve been volunteered.

As I’ve said many times, Dear Leader’s slogan of “Change” is not a goal: it’s a demand.

[NTHockey]

Two words: “I REFUSE”!

My knee bends for only one Master.

[indylindy]

So ....are we all agreed Obama is pure evil yet?

I do not wish him well. He needs to be impeached before he causes any more angst or damage to our Republic.

[silverleaf]

It is all very creeepy. It sounds like citizen draft programs in Cuba or North Korea, but without the warmth and charm

We have Boy Scouts. They have uniforms. They even have camps.

[matt1234]

Refresher time:

On July 2, 2008, Barack Obama announced: "We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded." [Emphasis added.]

Video (20 seconds): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2yGzHfy7s

[RikaStrom]

ok, this is scary.

[mkjessup]

Sure, let the 0bamunist recruiters c'mon by and pick me up, I'll be happy to volunteer my working knowledge of the M1 carbine, still a fine weapon even today.

[DISCLAIMER: This post is not advocating nor does it support any violent act against any government official, elected or non-elected, at the federal, state or local level. To open fire on any representative of the current illegal 0bamunist regime would be wrong.]

[stevie_d_64]

I bet my dad will be the first “retired” Texan to tell them to take a long walk off a short pier we own...

[Danae]

If Republicans do not stand up against this, em mass, then we are truly lost.

[Secret Agent Man]

I’ll give a crap. I’ll even put it in a nice envelope and mail it right to him.

[Secret Agent Man]

“forced” volunteering is not volunteering at all.

But that’s government for you, as they think paying taxes is ‘voluntary’.

[autumnraine]

We have a Contitutional Amendment that says the state cannot require you to involuntary servitude. I expect the SCOTUS to challenge IF it’s passed.

[metmom]

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[metmom]

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[just me]

13th Amendment

Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude,
except as a punishment for crime where of the party shall
have been duly convicted, shall exist within the
United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

[fanfan]

Exchange program with countries in transition from totalitarianism to Democracy.

Or, the other way around, maybe?

[Typical_Whitey]

The Mantra..

Truth Requires Thought Control - In service our young cadets will be taught how their public service can gurantee them success sponsored by the State. Personal Responsiblity is of course State mandated and as you conform to State Rules and Regulations you will find that all of your needs and desires are met by the state.

Family Ties Must Be Weakened - Your family is not as important as the greater good of your service to the state. We must all adopt a philosphy that “We are our Brothers Keeper” and the state shall see to the needs of all.

Of Course The Propagandists Have Noble Intentions - Your service to the state is a noble and Humanitarian goal. Your service will help people to realize that the State is there to help them and that the State should be honored in your sacrifices.

The Effect Is to Heighten Anger and Division Among People -
The state is color blind as we all strive to be you are all equal in the eyes of the state and the state shall give to all as equals regardless of your output. You will learn that

The goal of such vented hatred is also said to be noble - The state will train you that in order to evolve into a society in which people love each other without ‘isms,’ it is necessary to brutalize different classes into appropriate awareness.

Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.

[mojitojoe]

Your questions themselves are offensive to me to be honest. I have no questions at all. Just an answer. HELL FING NO, NO NO and NO. When hell freezes over and pigs fly!!!...not even then.

[FrdmLvr]

The Give Act = Orwellian Nightmere.

[autumnraine]

Oh yeah, and I wonder what color their shirts will be.

[takenoprisoner]

If Obama were serious about saving children from poverty, drugs, crime, and violence, he could step up to the plate today. He could begin the process for the next generation coming to a theater near you tonight.

PREVENTING FUTURE CHILDREN FROM DEPENDENCY POVERTY DRUGS VIOLENCE ACT

Sense of congress: TIE THOSE TUBES!

[autumnraine]

I just emailed this bill to my county Superintendant.

[KarenMarie]

is there a ping list i can join for this?

thanks.

[NoGrayZone]

The “government” can bite me if it thinks I will serve ANYTHING under duress. They need to look up the word volunteer.

[FrogMom]

Part of Title VI says:

SEC. 6107. POWERS OF COMMISSION.

(a) Hearings and Sessions- The Commission may, for the purpose of carrying out this title, hold public hearings, sit and act at times and places, take testimony, and receive evidence as the Commission considers appropriate.

So they are going to "try" us? Receiving evidence? Act as they consider appropriate??

(b) Powers of Members and Agents- Any member or agent of the Commission may, if authorized by the Commission, take any action which the Commission is authorized to take by this section.

And they may deputize others to act in their behalf?

(c) Obtaining Official Data- Upon request of the Chairperson, the head of any department or agency shall furnish information to the Commission that the Commission deems necessary to enable it to carry out this title.

WTF? What happened to their vaunted "privacy"???

(d) Physical Facilities and Equipment- The Architect of the Capitol, in consultation with the appropriate entities in the legislative branch, shall locate and provide suitable facilities and equipment for the operation of the Commission on a nonreimbursable basis.

They can take your city hall or HOUSE, ladies and gentlemen!

My heart is pounding. CAN they get away with this???

[CodeMasterPhilzar]

“Required” volunteering by definition isn't volunteering. I'm going to have to respectfully decline to do anything to help that socialist. I'll be a “conscientious objector” to his brownshirts.

[Diogenesis]

"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction.
We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream.
It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same,
or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children
and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free."
President Ronald Reagan

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[OafOfOffice]

There is a reason Obama has Rahmbo on his team. The PLAN!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0B7dOQwKm0

1. A New Social Contract: What You Can Do for Your Country, and What Your Country Can Do for You. First, we need a new bargain between the people and their government, based on four new mutual obligations: universal citizen service, universal college access, universal retirement savings, and universal children's health care. The terms of this bargain may be new, but the bedrock principle is not: You do your part, and your government, your company, and your country will do theirs. (In other words, you don't play, you do not get these services)

Universal Citizen Service. Citizenship is a responsibility, not an entitlement program. If your leaders aren't challenging you to do your part, they aren't doing theirs. We need a new patriotism that brings out the patriot in all of us by establishing, for the first time, an ethic of universal citizen service. All Americans between the ages of 18 and 25 should be asked to serve their country by going through three months of basic civil defense training and community service. This is not a draft -- nor is it military. Young people will be trained not as soldiers, but simply as citizens who understand their responsibilities in the event of natural disaster, epidemic, or terrorist attack. Universal citizen service will bring Americans of every background together to make America safer and more united in common national purpose.

Universal College Access. We must make a college degree as universal as a high school diploma. We have an education system built in the last century. In this new era, college will be the greatest engine of opportunity for our society and our economy. Just as Abraham Lincoln gave land grants to endow our great public universities, we should give the states tuition grants to make college free for those willing to work, serve, and excel. A College Tax Credit should replace the five major existing education tax incentives with a simple $3,000-a-year credit -- fully refundable and available for four years of college and two years of graduate school. It would help 6 million full-time students cover more than half the average cost of tuition at a public university.($3,000 will pay one month at a state college.)

Universal Retirement Savings. (Obama and his Universal savings plan in the 2010 budget) From now on, every job ought to come with a 401(k). An aging society cannot afford to keep saving less and risking more. We need new means to create wealth. Employers should be required to offer 401(k)'s, and workers will be enrolled unless they choose otherwise. If they switch jobs, they should be able to take their account with them. When their paycheck goes up, so should their savings. Instead of a workforce in which only half the workers have retirement savings plans, every American will have one.

Universal Children's Health Care. We need to cut the cost of health care so that every business can afford it, and every child in America at last can get it. We can save hundreds of billions by adopting electronic medical records, rewarding outcomes instead of procedures, providing incentives for personal responsibility, and starting a National Cure Center to cure chronic diseases. As we achieve those savings, we should use them to give small businesses access to the same health plans as members of Congress -- and to make sure all parents in America have the responsibility and the means to afford health insurance for their children.

Fiscal Responsibility and Ending Corporate Welfare. (emdomg corporates period) We'll never build a new social contract if we don't repair the broken contract between the American people and their leaders. We can only achieve universal service, college, pensions, and children's health care if we're willing to cut and invest to pay for them. The place to start is by ending corporate welfare and the Hack-ridden government that fuels it.

Tax Reform to Help Those Who Aren't Wealthy Build Wealth. Americans shouldn't have to start rich to get rich, and ordinary Americans shouldn't have to hire an accountant to get ahead. We propose a tax reform plan that makes sure no middle-class family with an income of under $100,000 will ever have to pay an effective income tax rate of more than 10 percent. Our plan cuts the number of tax brackets in half, closes dozens of loopholes by setting a corporate flat tax, and simplifies the tax code by offering four superincentives: a $3,000 refundable college tax credit, a universal mortgage deduction, a simplified family credit for families with children, and a universal pension that replaces the current hodgepodge of 16 existing IRA-type accounts.

We need to fortify the military's "thin green line" around the world by adding to the Special Forces and the Marines, and expanding the Army by 100,000 more troops. We should give all our troops a new G.I. Bill to come home to. Finally, we must protect the homeland and our civil liberties by creating a new domestic counterterrorism force like Britain's MI5. 5. A Hybrid Economy that Cuts America's Gasoline Use in Half. Any questions what Obama is doing?