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More Box Ships to be Idled
The Journal of Commerce Online ^ | Feb 28, 2009 | Bruce Barnard

Posted on 03/14/2009 3:05:20 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer

LONDON -- Container ship charter owners are preparing to idle scores of vessels for extended periods over the coming weeks as hire rates reach new lows and ocean carriers press for steeper discounts to compensate for collapsing liner freight rates.

There were 392 box ships of 1.1 million TEUs, or 8.8 percent of the world fleet, without work in mid-February, according to AXS-Alphaliner, a Paris-based consultant that tracks laid-up tonnage.

But that figure “may yet even prove to be a conservative estimate,” says London shipbroker Clarkson.

Leading charter owners are laying up their ships because hire rates don’t cover vessel financing costs. Euroseas, the Nasdaq-listed box ship and bulk carrier owner, has already laid up one of its 10 container vessels and this week said it might be more economical to temporarily lay-up ships coming off hire rather than sign new charters that are likely to generate low revenue through 2009.

Earlier, Euroseas agreed to renegotiate two charters -- from $18,500 a day to $12,000 for a 1,742-TEU ship, and from $16,500 to $11,000 for a 1,932-TEU vessel. It also agreed to extend the charters at even lower daily rates of $10,000 for a year and $7,000 for six months, respectively.

Claus-Peter Offen, one of Germany’s biggest charter owners, plans to lay up around 10 vessels ranging between 1,200 and 2,500 TEUs. It has already laid up three ships that couldn’t find work after their charters expired.

Until now, charter owners and ocean carriers have opted for “hot” lay-ups where vessels are kept ready to resume trading very soon after a charter is fixed or freight rates and cargo demand pick up.

But an increasing number of owners are now mulling “cold” lay-ups, a more drastic step involving considerable expenditure in maintaining the idled vessel for a prolonged period and eventually returning it to trading.

The trend toward cold lay-ups reflects the steep slide in charter rates, and more recently, the shrinking demand from ocean carriers for tonnage as they axe services and lay-up their own vessels.

Average daily charter rates for a 1,700-TEU ship fell this week to $5,418, less than a third of the $17,905 it commanded in early May and a 2,500-TEU vessel is earning $6,940 a day, down from $25,074, according to the Hamburg Shipbrokers’ Association. Its closely watched ConTex index this week had fallen to 305 from 974 in early May.

Rates for larger vessels also are retreating, with the daily rate for a 3,500-TEU gearless Panamax ship down 44 percent in the past three months to $10,500 from $15,500, according to Clarkson.

But ocean freight rates have fallen even more, widening the gap with charter rates, particularly deals when carriers were competing for scarce tonnage to meet double-digit traffic growth. All-in rates from South China to Europe have plunged nearly 70 percent since November, according to London’s Drewry Shipping Consultants.

Ocean carriers have responded by announcing rate increases, mostly effective from April, and putting further pressure on charter owners to slash rates and accept clauses allowing them to break and renegotiate charters at short notice.

An increasing number of charter owners are opting for cold lay-up, but the majority are caving in to carriers’ demands in order to cover as much as possible of their ships’ financing and insurance costs.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: containershipping; globaleconomy; shipping; trade
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Until now, charter owners and ocean carriers have opted for “hot” lay-ups where vessels are kept ready to resume trading very soon after a charter is fixed or freight rates and cargo demand pick up.

But an increasing number of owners are now mulling “cold” lay-ups, a more drastic step involving considerable expenditure in maintaining the idled vessel for a prolonged period and eventually returning it to trading.

The trend toward cold lay-ups reflects the steep slide in charter rates, and more recently, the shrinking demand from ocean carriers for tonnage as they axe services and lay-up their own vessels.

Looks like they are forecasting an extended recession. Shipping companies once considered themselves recession proof, since all they had to do was reroute their ships from one sinking country to another, growing one. While the industry is cycllical, they never forecasted this.

1 posted on 03/14/2009 3:05:20 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Vince Ferrer

2 posted on 03/14/2009 3:07:44 PM PDT by razorback-bert (Will trade sex for ammo)
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To: Vince Ferrer

I’ve sailed through the container port at Hong Kong on the way to Shekou.

You really don’t appreciate just how much cargo is being shipped out of China until you see something like that.


3 posted on 03/14/2009 3:08:05 PM PDT by George Smiley (They're not drinking the Kool-Aid any more. They're eating it straight out of the packet.)
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To: Vince Ferrer

I just *had* to look up TEU to add to my vast store of useless trivia:

Container capacity is often expressed in twenty-foot equivalent units (TEU, or sometimes teu). An equivalent unit is a measure of containerized cargo capacity equal to one standard 20 ft (length) × 8 ft (width) container. As this is an approximate measure, the height of the box is not considered, for instance the 9 ft 6 in (2.9 m) High cube and the 4-ft 3-in (1.3 m) half height 20 ft (6.1 m) containers are also called one TEU. Similarly, the 45-ft (13.7 m) containers are also commonly designated as two TEU, although they are 45 and not 40 feet (12 m) long. Two TEU are equivalent to one forty-foot equivalent unit (FEU).


4 posted on 03/14/2009 3:11:25 PM PDT by George Smiley (They're not drinking the Kool-Aid any more. They're eating it straight out of the packet.)
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To: Vince Ferrer

And this, boys and girls, is why the Chinese are PO’ed about our debt. We aren’t buying as much of their junk anymore.

Interesting article on here the other day about moving manufacturing back to the US because the supply chain is shorter, more flexible, less costly and US manufacturing can be more efficient.

ZERO and his union thugs will fix that but at least it may have been a possibility.


5 posted on 03/14/2009 3:14:42 PM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Get the bats and light the hay)
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To: George Smiley

What it means to me as an intermodal trucker is not good. Not good at all. But as an American first and foremost it is GREAT NEWS! The Chinoisee sre troubled, but, the Chinoisee backed US dollar is in major trouble. Guess I better invest in a year or two’s supply of Quaker Oats, dried beef and ammo. Just damn!


6 posted on 03/14/2009 3:16:27 PM PDT by CARTOUCHE
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To: Vince Ferrer

I’ve never seen a container ship, so I found a picture in case anyone else is in my boat. The little pilot ship alongside is 105’ long. Boy, those container ships are huge!

http://www.boatingsf.com/photopage.php?photo=790


7 posted on 03/14/2009 3:17:48 PM PDT by cookiedough
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To: Vince Ferrer

[*Sniff,* *Sob*]

In other words, they want more hundreds of billions of US dollars in “bailout” welfare from the United States to cover for their laziness and lack of self-discipline needed to save capital for future work.


8 posted on 03/14/2009 3:19:22 PM PDT by familyop (combat engineer (combat), National Guard, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote, http://falconparty.com/)
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To: George Smiley
Isn't useless trivia great? Let me add to your vast store of it:

a 20ft container's inside dimension (length) is between 19ft10in and 19ft8in. Let's be careful out there, everybody--don't go shipping stuff you can't fit in a box.

9 posted on 03/14/2009 3:26:00 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Vince Ferrer

Well this proves one thing:The power of the American comsumer

We don’t buy and spend like crack whores and the world falls apart


10 posted on 03/14/2009 3:26:05 PM PDT by Popman (One useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three is a Congress - John Adams)
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To: cookiedough
Huge barely describes them. They used to constrain the size of the ships to the maximum size that can fit through the panama (panamax) or suez (suezmax) canals, but now they are building ships so big they can't go through the canals, and are built for just ocean travel, like between China and the US. Those ships are the largest, newest, and most economical to run, so when they come into service they replace several smaller ones.

The picture shows the economy of scale pretty well, and why ocean shipping is so economical. A crew of about 20 people can run a new container ship (11,000 TEU), while for interstate trucking, its 2 TEU per driver.

11 posted on 03/14/2009 3:30:27 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: 1rudeboy

I skipped the stuff about container dimensions.

I figured that if you were going to actually be shipping stuff in a container, you’d do a little research first.

And there’s a limit to the things I can remember in my trivia memory space.

:-)


12 posted on 03/14/2009 3:31:22 PM PDT by George Smiley (They're not drinking the Kool-Aid any more. They're eating it straight out of the packet.)
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To: Vince Ferrer
Oh, my. This is a truly serious situation.

We might run perilously short of cheap toys, tennis shoes, and even those toxic food additives.

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13 posted on 03/14/2009 3:32:49 PM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: Vince Ferrer

A TEU is a 20’ equivalent, according to Google, so does that mean those ships are 11,000 x 20 or 220,000 feet long?

I don’t think there is a word that describes that adequately. Just wow.


14 posted on 03/14/2009 3:36:18 PM PDT by cookiedough
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To: Seaplaner
Oh, my. This is a truly serious situation.

Now that is unintentionally hilarious. It is a serious situation.

15 posted on 03/14/2009 3:37:07 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: cookiedough
I’ve never seen a container ship, so I found a picture in case anyone else is in my boat. The little pilot ship alongside is 105’ long. Boy, those container ships are huge!

Yep, that's what they look like. You can sit on the shore of San Francisco Bay and watch those go in and out all day long (I enjoy watching them when we go over to SF). Not too different from watching airplanes line up for takeoff and landing at a major airport.

16 posted on 03/14/2009 3:38:51 PM PDT by Zetman
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To: Seaplaner

We get a lot more things used commonly around the house on those ships.

Stock up.


17 posted on 03/14/2009 3:40:19 PM PDT by TennTuxedo
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To: 1rudeboy

Here’s an article about building houses from used shipping containers. I think it sounds neat.

http://www.bobvila.com/HowTo_Library/Building_a_Container_House-Building_Systems-A2413.html


18 posted on 03/14/2009 3:42:41 PM PDT by cookiedough
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To: Vince Ferrer

Ship out all the jobs, and people don’t buy stuff. A lot of us have been pointing this out for years.


19 posted on 03/14/2009 3:45:45 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: cookiedough
Problem is they're too hot in the summer and too cold in the winter. And unless you have great skill with a blowtorch, no windows.

The landlord of the farm where I lived kept a couple as storage sheds, and they were surprisingly well-suited for the task.

20 posted on 03/14/2009 3:46:54 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: NRA2BFree; All

Further indications that support at least portions of the portents of the significant BDI drop over the last twelve months.

A.A.C.


21 posted on 03/14/2009 3:48:09 PM PDT by AmericanArchConservative (Armour on, Lances high, Swords out, Bows drawn, Shields front ... Eagles UP!)
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To: cookiedough

This is the Emma Maersk, the largest container ship, at 397 meters long. When viewing the pictures, people notice the stack of containers that is visible, but don't realize that below deck its just more containers. They are stacked up about 8-10 stories tall.

22 posted on 03/14/2009 3:48:22 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: mysterio

No, when the economy was humming along, you bitched about the trade deficit. Now, with the economy in the doldrums and the trade deficit improving, you’ve changed your tune.


23 posted on 03/14/2009 3:48:55 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: TennTuxedo

Precursor to inflation, that ‘stock’ tip is right on, and Mr Øbama can get all the credit being it’s going to happen on his watch


24 posted on 03/14/2009 3:56:48 PM PDT by Son House (National Disasters Will Be Devastating Since Mr. Ă˜bama's Spending Will Erode First Response Funding)
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To: 1rudeboy

Let me guess - you believe in Fair Trade*?

*Fair Trade = Open access to US markets while allowing other countries to put up as many trade barriers as possible because having both sides use the same rules would simply be wrong.


25 posted on 03/14/2009 4:00:42 PM PDT by DevNet (What's past is prologue)
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To: 1rudeboy
No, when the economy was humming along, you bitched about the trade deficit. Now, with the economy in the doldrums and the trade deficit improving, you’ve changed your tune.

And the trade deficit was connected to ALL of that. We shipped out the jobs, people took lower paying jobs, borrowed to make up the difference, and then the credit ran out. The whole time, people like you were posting the doom and gloom graphic and arguing that we could just keep importing cheap trash from China. I guess cheap stuff wasn't as cheap as we thought.
26 posted on 03/14/2009 4:01:37 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: mysterio
We were also pointing out that the trade deficit, unemployment, and the general state of the economy are directly (and empirically) linked in precisely the opposite way that the doomers predicted. This information was met with the sort of sound beagles make (you know, half bark, half howl, and completely stupid?).

Now, with the trade deficit, unemployment, and the general state of the economy performing exactly as history predicts, the doomers are howling they were correct all along. The joke's on you, again.

27 posted on 03/14/2009 4:07:33 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: DevNet

Your question was so far out in left field that I couldn’t tell if you are joking.


28 posted on 03/14/2009 4:09:08 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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I posted this earlier:

U.S. Jan. trade gap narrows to 6-year low.

All paleos/doomers/other experts are welcome to come and explain why this is great news.
29 posted on 03/14/2009 4:15:31 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

It has been my experience that many who support Fair Trade believe than any sort of reciprocity in laws between - for example between the US and China.

Do you feel that the same rules should apple to all sides when it comes to trade?


30 posted on 03/14/2009 4:20:46 PM PDT by DevNet (What's past is prologue)
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To: cookiedough

“Here’s an article about building houses from used shipping containers. I think it sounds neat.”

I’ve thought about building with containers. Out here in Colorado where it’s dry I think it might even be possible to to bury a couple for a basement and weld more on top. You could be really creative.


31 posted on 03/14/2009 4:21:05 PM PDT by dljordan
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To: 1rudeboy
Those on the side of keeping jobs in the US were right all along. It is your side that hid under the umbrella of laissez faire capitalism, but then somehow turned around and shilled for a government bailouts.

When your GDP is mostly people buying stuff, it helps if those people have discretionary income. Cheap imported stuff isn't cheap.
32 posted on 03/14/2009 4:21:06 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: 1rudeboy

“Problem is they’re too hot in the summer and too cold in the winter. And unless you have great skill with a blowtorch, no windows.”

Did you read the part of the article about the spray on insulation? I actually thought about building an earth sheltered home out of them. I think a plasma cutter would work better for cutting holes in them.


33 posted on 03/14/2009 4:23:43 PM PDT by dljordan
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To: George Smiley

“I just *had* to look up TEU to add to my vast store of useless trivia”

Interesting! I didn’t know what a TEU was either. Thanks for the info. It will also add to my vast warehouse of wasteful knowledge. No one around me seems to be impressed. I might do OK on Jeopardy though!


34 posted on 03/14/2009 4:24:29 PM PDT by caver (Obama's first goals: allow more killing of innocents and allow the killers of innocents to go free.)
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To: mysterio
Again, unemployment is low when we buy lots of foreign crap, and high when we don't. That's the correlation, and it's not complicated (for most) to understand: people with money buy stuff, and people without money do not.

I'm just trying to prepare you for the increase in the trade deficit when the economy turns back around. What will your excuse be then?

And pin the bailouts on the people who expect the government to coddle them . . . like your friends.

35 posted on 03/14/2009 4:25:14 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: dljordan

I’ve had bad experiences with spray-on insulation . . . just my opinion, but it doesn’t work as advertised. A buried or partially-buried container using the ground as insulation would work to the degree it is buried, but one would have to enjoy living in a cave.


36 posted on 03/14/2009 4:27:29 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: DevNet
People who argue for "fair trade," meaning that country A treats country B's products the same way country B treats country A's are unknowingly arguing in favor of "free trade." And they get mightily pissed when it is pointed out to them.

It's because they load their definition of "free trade" with so much BS it's difficult to converse with them in English . . . they are speaking a different language. The U.S. has "free trade" agreements with maybe ten countries in the world (and China is not one of them).

37 posted on 03/14/2009 4:34:30 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
...people with money buy stuff, and people without money do not....

What do you think we been trying to tell ya!

(But with all candor, I'd still like to get a pallet or two of cheap Chicom plinking ammo, but only 'cause US manufactures' are booked up for years)

38 posted on 03/14/2009 4:40:22 PM PDT by investigateworld ( Abortion stops a beating heart)
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To: 1rudeboy
My side didn't shill for the bailouts, yours did.

Start making stuff here in America see if people don't start buying stuff again.
39 posted on 03/14/2009 4:42:14 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: mysterio
My side didn't shill for the bailouts, yours did.

BS. Moreover, who was shilling for a "living wage," restrictions on capital, other regulations, union labor, higher taxes, soaking the "rich," etc.? You did everything but send money to the DNC. And now you have the chutzpah to blame the Reagan supply-siders.

40 posted on 03/14/2009 4:48:05 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: investigateworld

I’ve got a paleo on another thread scoffing at the notion of consumption altogether. It’s all paleo BS: complain that people buy stuff, and when they stop buying stuff, complain that they should.


41 posted on 03/14/2009 4:50:48 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
Setting the Scene: IW holds hat with both hands, big toe sticking out of US Manuf'd boot via hole in sock, IW looking downward. Script: "(by IW) "Say you couldn't spare a case or two of Norinco 7.62 x 39 mm, could y?".

The Chicoms could use a little extra biz right now.

42 posted on 03/14/2009 5:03:45 PM PDT by investigateworld ( Abortion stops a beating heart)
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To: 1rudeboy

A neutral observer would point out that you failed to answer the question.


43 posted on 03/14/2009 5:06:54 PM PDT by DevNet (What's past is prologue)
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To: DevNet
Why do you think that is? It's because conservatives should recoil from the word "fair" wherever they see it.

I believe in "free" trade, defined as "you treat me the way I treat you." Hope that clears things up.

44 posted on 03/14/2009 5:09:21 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: investigateworld

I don’t buy Chinese products, as a rule, but you are making a compelling case for Chinese ammo. Is it any good?


45 posted on 03/14/2009 5:10:47 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

My question “Do you feel that the same rules should apple to all sides when it comes to trade?’ does not have free or fair in it.

As someone who was rather conservative once said.

Free and fair trade brings growth and opportunity and creates jobs.

Radio Address to the Nation on Free and Fair Trade
August 2, 1986


46 posted on 03/14/2009 5:16:37 PM PDT by DevNet (What's past is prologue)
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To: DevNet

I didn’t understand the question you posed in your #25, and decided I’d avoid the term “fair” (as it was used there) altogether in order to avoid confusion.


47 posted on 03/14/2009 5:19:28 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

What is your yes/no answer to ““Do you feel that the same rules should apple to all sides when it comes to trade?’”

It really isn’t that hard a question to answer - I am at a loss as to why you will not answer it.


48 posted on 03/14/2009 5:21:44 PM PDT by DevNet (What's past is prologue)
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To: DevNet

My answer is “yes,” and I’m at a loss why you couldn’t take my #44 as the answer.


49 posted on 03/14/2009 5:24:15 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
It goes "bang" 99.99% of the time. Okay for training. Now with US Ammo makers booked up for years a little free trade is okay ;^)

I remember when it was about nine cents a round - shipped to your door.....Sniff

50 posted on 03/14/2009 5:25:19 PM PDT by investigateworld ( Abortion stops a beating heart)
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