Skip to comments.Government Destroys Once Fired Brass Cases
Posted on 03/16/2009 5:17:24 AM PDT by marktwain
From: KTO To: undisclosed-recipients Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 2:31 PM Subject: [Fwd: More ammo problems - Action Needed]
Dear MSSA Friends,
Another serious problem has just been created to add to the critical ammo shortage in the U.S. Read my letter to Senator Max Baucus about this below. An agency of the Department of Defense has just directed that all military fired brass must be destroyed.
I highly recommend that you send emails to U.S. Senators Baucus and Tester, and to Montana's lone Congressman Rehberg, asking them to get immediately onto fixing this.
FYI, Baucus is Chairman of the powerful Senate Finance Committee. He could simply call the Pentagon and tell them that if they don't reverse this DLA directive that the Pentagon will suffer a mysterious budget cut of several billion dollars. Also, Baucus's former Chief of Staff, Jim Messina, is now Deputy Chief of Staff at the White House. If Max called Jim and asked, Jim could fix this problem with a phone call too.
I recommend you communicate with the Baucus, Tester and Rehberg staffers who are tasked to firearms issues. They are:
Baucus - "Heather O'Loughlin" email@example.com
Tester - "Lillstrom, Alpha" Alpha_Lillstrom@tester.senate.gov
Rehberg - "Abra Belke" firstname.lastname@example.org
Tell them we simply don't accept the military destroying perfectly good brass that could be sold into the civilian market for private and commercial reloading.
Greetings from Missoula.
You called me on October 24th, 2008, to ask me to let you know if there is ever anything MSSA needs you to do for us and for Montana gun owners.
Thank you. This is exactly such a case.
In the email below from the Defense Logistics Agency you will see that DLA has effectively ordered the immediate non-sale and destruction of all once-fired military brass.
Max, this is a HUGE problem.
Why is this a problem? The RKBA is only as good as the ammunition supply for the firearms we own. The shelves of the Nation's sporting goods stores are essentially bare of ammunition. The entire ammunition market in the U.S. is highly stressed.
For example, I have six classes scheduled for April to teach Montana citizens gun safety and self defense with firearms. Students must bring 100 rounds of ammunition to these classes. I thought to check this week about availability of ammunition for my students for these April classes - the most common ammunition in .38 special and 9mm. Of four primary sporting goods stores in Missoula, three had NONE - at all! One store has a limited supply that it doesn't expect to last long.
Against this background of ammunition shortage, about the only ammunition that continues to be somewhat available is that from second tier manufacturers who are remanufacturing ammunition from once-fired military cartridge brass. As of yesterday, that supply came to an end because of the DLA administrative decision to destroy ("demil") all fired military brass.
Max, I have a lot more information about the national ammunition shortage, too much to put in one email. It is both a supply and demand problem. Without that lengthy detail, take my word for it that U.S. gun owners are very at-risk for their effective RKBA because of existing ammunition shortages. This administrative decision by DLA places a log on the back of a camel already sagging in the middle.
We sincerely hope that you can do something to turn DLA around, and reauthorize the flow of once-fired, undestroyed military brass from the military to civilians and civilian entities.
One final thought. The military can sell reloadable brass for $2.00 per pound. Brass that has been destroyed for reloading purposes and value sells for about 35 cents per pound. So the DLA is expecting taxpayers to pay DoD extra to make reloadable brass unavailable to civilian gun owners.
Please keep us informed about what can be done and is being done to fix this serious problem.
Gary Marbut, president Montana Shooting Sports Association http://www.mtssa.org author, Gun Laws of Montana http://www.mtpublish.com
It is stupid and unacceptable.
I have it from other sources that this may not be totally true. If anything its to limit the export only of once fired military brass.
Thanks, I forgot we already had a thread on this.
Either way about folks, save your brass!
Hey, nobody can access that thread without registering.
But thats a nice forum!
I never knew there was a big following of the M14 until I joined FR and I’ve never seen that one, either.
Even as a kid I had an plastic M14 - of course it didn’t shoot, but you can’t even find those great toys anymore.
Bookmarked - Thanks!
There is a very good thread on this at The Firing Line forum. Even they can’t be sure exactly what is going on but suffice to say that they are for the most part sceptical.
“...critical ammo shortage...”
Hard to believe when I visit the firearms section at the local Bass Pro shop.
Don't make me laugh.
It's the socialist / communist game plan.
Until you, and others, are ready to take your country back from these criminal gangs occupying our goverment offices, you will simply be wasting your time writing letters & calling these globalists.
But hey ... it's your time, paper, pen, and phone.
S'cuse me ... I need to shed a tear.
I’m sorry about that, of course I can see all the threads, wink.
They have .38’s???
Mine doesn’t and hasn’t since before Christmas, nor .40 nor .45 nor 380...[maybe a couple boxes of .38’s: they had less than a dozen at $22...]
In a pinch one can turn down 9mm cases to make a .380 case, the bullets are the same you do need to stay below 115gr. 90-100gr. is best, its possible to take a 124gr 9mm bullet and turning it into a lighter hollowpoint to make a .380 round.
.38 @ $26.99
.45 @ $29.99
And you can order it for delivery via ground shipment.
Granted...it is not cheap.
I even have 700 rounds of 7mm benchrest for my Remington XP-100....
Pretty well stocked up. I don’t miss very often.
I have the back half of an M1 Garand receiver that was destroyed by the Xlinton administration that I bought at a gun show for a quarter. I stumbled across it again the other day. It made me sad and sick to see it again, and remember what a waste it was.
If it is a hoax, then all the small reloading component businesses who sell government auction purchased brass are falling for it.
Every supplier of once fired brass is either out, or has ‘suspended sales’ on their remaining stock. Basically overnight all sources of the brass have dried up.
I just ordered 1000 pieces of new Winchester .223 brass from Cabelas, they have lot in stock at good prices(for new brass).
Here’s a link to a list of once fired brass sellers...most of them have none, the ones that do are sitting on it.
Sorry for the crazy paragraphs, I always forget that what is a paragraph in my little posting box isn’t always a paragraph once posted.
I have a XP-100 221 fireball myself. Have had it many years. Mounted with long eye relief 3-X Burris scope.
It is very accurate.
Once-fired 223 and 7.62x39 brass are almost impossible to find right now. There would be no need to destroy it, since they’re selling it faster than they’re making it.
7.62x39 is almost impossible to find right now...
.308 and .223 have more than doubled in price...
9mm, .45acp, .38spl and .357 mag are hard to find in most areas except the premium high priced stuff...
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