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COUNSELíS RESPONSE TO ORDER TO SHOW CAUSE (re: Hollister v Obama)
Obamacrimes ^ | 3/17/2009 | rxsid

Posted on 03/17/2009 1:34:55 PM PDT by rxsid

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To: rxsid

WOW. He’s really hit that judge hard. If he rules the attorney must face sanctions then the case moves to discovery in order to for the attorney to defend himself against the sanctions charge as his civil rights are violated. Being injured BOOM he now has standing.

If the judge now rules against sanctions he looks like a fool, which we now know he is, but well, that’s beside the point. Any way at which point the attorney could now file a again pertaining to something along the lines of having been brought before a biased and prejudicial judge and seek a new judge perhaps? And even more juicy a motion to impeach that judge for having been biased and prejudicial?

Can we say that judge is now in a rock and a hard place? hee hee hee Lord willing..........


51 posted on 03/18/2009 4:43:57 AM PDT by conservativegramma
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To: rxsid

bttt


52 posted on 03/18/2009 6:57:15 AM PDT by EDINVA
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To: rxsid

Marked for later.

“A second point raised in Judge Robertson’s Memorandum (p.1), is that the President of the United States had been properly vetted. This assumes facts not in evidence and was not addressed.”

Understatement of the year.


53 posted on 03/18/2009 7:00:00 AM PDT by Canedawg (Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press.)
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To: conservativegramma

Seriously, can anyone find a case where a federal judge has been impeached and removed?

I thought that went by the wayside when a confirmed drunk was acquitted after being impeached.


54 posted on 03/18/2009 7:01:21 AM PDT by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: Joe Marine 76

You are confused. John Hemenway, the lawyer he attacked, is a Naval Academy grad (after WWII service in the Army) and Rhodes Scholar (unlike Clinton, he worked at Oxford and finished); Judge Robertson was ROTC at Princeton and then did serve his term in the Navy before law school.


55 posted on 03/18/2009 7:47:28 AM PDT by AmericanVictory
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To: Red Steel

He seems to have picked the wrong guy, would you say?


56 posted on 03/18/2009 7:48:53 AM PDT by AmericanVictory
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To: rxsid; AJMCQ; classical artist; autumnraine; Cyclone59; RegulatorCountry; Logical me; F15Eagle; ...

Thanks for your link to the supplement to the above at Post 26; it puts the judge in an even harder to defend position based on the political motivated sloppiness of his decision and order.

And a Ping to those who have not checked in on this show of cause yet.


57 posted on 03/18/2009 7:59:22 AM PDT by AmericanVictory
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To: AmericanVictory

Hebrews 4:13 says that nothing is hidden from God.

All things that man tries to cover up, God reveals, and this is just a case of someone doing just that - (”inadvertantly”) revealing that which he desires to keep secret.


58 posted on 03/18/2009 8:04:45 AM PDT by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: MrB

“”federal judge has been impeached and removed?””

Alcee Hastings?

Now a Congressman.

Not as ironic as Marion Barry, but almost.


59 posted on 03/18/2009 9:39:52 AM PDT by Gemsbok (If wishes were horses, than beggars would ride)
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To: rxsid; All

This continuing carnival show confirms for me several things:

a.) If a judge (ANY judge) does not want a case to proceed through his courtroom, he can and WILL find something, ANYthing to derail the proceedings, be it by finding fault with something that has been filed, discovering some ‘technicality’ which nullifies a portion of, or the entire case itself.

b.) ANYone who dares to represent themselves (i.e. ‘pro se’) has the deck stacked against them before they make even their first filing. Judges do not LIKE people who choose to represent themselves.

c.) Any attorney getting involved in something like this current 0bama/BC issue had best have his sh*t together because the Judges (especially the SCOTUS) are NOT going to like being pushed into a corner where they have to start ruling on something as critical as the Constitutional eligibility of the Usurper currently occupying the Oval Office. They don’t want to do it. They don’t want to be in the middle of this controversy. They want to sit on their fat asses in their plush chambers, sip nicely aged whiskey, puff on a fine cigar, and compare obscure notes and items with their fellow judges.

You want Justice?

You’ll get Just Ice.

If a U.S. judge, ANY judge rules that 0bama must prove his Constitutional bonafides, I will first, go out and buy a hat.

Then? I’ll eat it.


60 posted on 03/18/2009 9:43:31 AM PDT by mkjessup (You're either with our Constitution, or you are with TKU ("The Kenyan Usurper"). CHOOSE!!!)
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To: rxsid

Good post!


61 posted on 03/18/2009 12:04:53 PM PDT by real_patriotic_american
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To: mkjessup
They don’t want to do it. They don’t want to be in the middle of this controversy. They want to sit on their fat asses in their plush chambers, sip nicely aged whiskey, puff on a fine cigar, and compare obscure notes and items with their fellow judges.

There must be 1 man among these little girls who will hear the case. They can't be all pussies.

62 posted on 03/18/2009 12:46:01 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

I’d like to think that Scalia, Alito, Thomas and MAYBE Roberts will rise to the occasion, but Roberts was the guy who assented to that damnable ex parte proceeding prior to the Inauguration where 0bama met with the justices in chambers (minus Alito, who did not attend), highly unethical, highly inappropriate.


63 posted on 03/18/2009 1:00:16 PM PDT by mkjessup (You're either with our Constitution, or you are with TKU ("The Kenyan Usurper"). CHOOSE!!!)
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To: AmericanVictory
And a Ping to those who have not checked in on this show of cause yet.

Well, aren't you the cheeky one. I've never requested to be on any ping list of yours. But, here I am, having to request being removed.

64 posted on 03/18/2009 2:09:24 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: mkjessup

Mar 18 - The Chalice Show
March 18, 2009 by Chalice
On Wednesday, March 18 from 8-10 CDT, The Chalice Show will air on Patriot’s Heart Network. The special guest will be Leo Donofrio. He will discuss the technical legal aspects of the quo warranto statute as it applies to the Obama presidential eligibility controversy. He will also discuss breaking updates on the natural born citizen controversy. Please review Mr. Donofrio’s blog for complete background on these important issues.

Please tune in. Mr. Donofrio will be on for the entire 2 hours. To ask a question or discuss the issue with Leo and Chalice, the call-in number is (347) 215-6929.

Listen to the show

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65 posted on 03/18/2009 2:23:56 PM PDT by seekthetruth
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To: RegulatorCountry

No sooner said than done.

Apologies.


66 posted on 03/18/2009 2:42:40 PM PDT by AmericanVictory
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To: theDentist

Even if Obama goes; we are in deep do-do. President Biden? God save us.


67 posted on 03/18/2009 2:51:05 PM PDT by kalee (01/20/13 The end of an error.... Obama even worse than Carter.)
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To: hflynn

Do they serve arugula at McDonald’s? ;)_


68 posted on 03/18/2009 2:56:51 PM PDT by kalee (01/20/13 The end of an error.... Obama even worse than Carter.)
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To: AmericanVictory

No problem. I’ve pulled back from commenting on eligibility issues for the most part, but am keeping up with it.

Sorry for sounding testy, but I’ve been getting added to a lot of ping lists willy nilly of late, and it’s started to bug me. One person appeared to be using a ping list for what was basically spam, FReepmailing links that have nothing to do with anything.


69 posted on 03/18/2009 3:03:50 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Red Steel

Nice


70 posted on 03/18/2009 3:05:49 PM PDT by nufsed
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To: kalee

Yes, I know. Damned if they do, damned if they don’t.


71 posted on 03/18/2009 3:39:34 PM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll)
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To: Red Steel

“There must be 1 man among these little girls who will hear the case. They can’t be all pussies. “

With all due respect, certainly there must be a way for you to make this point without being sexist and denigrating women. “Less than a man” does not equal “woman” or “feminine”.


72 posted on 03/18/2009 6:28:39 PM PDT by canaan
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To: AmericanVictory

I stand corrected... way too much time reading the blogs. But I cannot help it: I fear for Our Nation.

At any rate, I think John Hemmenway stood up to Robertson gallantly!


73 posted on 03/18/2009 7:54:51 PM PDT by Joe Marine 76 ("Quo Warranto Is The Way To Go!")
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To: unkus

Last of the Mohicans,

Animals that were formerly self-sufficient are now showing signs

of belonging to the Democratic Party... as they have apparently

learned to just sit and wait for the government to step in and provide

for their care and sustenance.

This photo is of a Democrat black bear in Montana nicknamed . . .

Bearack Obearma.


74 posted on 03/19/2009 12:45:41 AM PDT by joydocsusie (ILLEGAL ALIENS HAVE NO RIGHT TO OUR SOCIAL SECURITY MONEY OR ANYTHING IN AMERICA)
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To: unkus

Last of the Mohicans,

Animals that were formerly self-sufficient are now showing signs

of belonging to the Democratic Party... as they have apparently

learned to just sit and wait for the government to step in and provide

for their care and sustenance.

This photo is of a Democrat black bear in Montana nicknamed . . .

Bearack Obearma.


75 posted on 03/19/2009 12:45:42 AM PDT by joydocsusie (ILLEGAL ALIENS HAVE NO RIGHT TO OUR SOCIAL SECURITY MONEY OR ANYTHING IN AMERICA)
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To: All; STARWISE
The honorable Attorney Hemenway, continues his hard hitting response...

"UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA
GREGORY S. HOLLISTER,
Plaintiff,
v. Civil Action No. 08-2254 (JR)
BARRY SOETORO, et al.,
Defendants.
SUPPLEMENTAL SHOW OF CAUSE
(Second Part of Two Parts Submitted March 16, 2009)

There is no specific analysis of the three “objective prongs” of the Rule and how they were violated by the undersigned and what standard will be sued to assess the violations of those three prongs of the Rule which it seems to believe that the undersigned violated. Nor did the Court have any opportunity to observe the conduct of the undersigned for purposes of assessing a violation of Rule 11, given that the case was dismissed on motion without any hearings of any sort and with little having been filed other than the complaint, an amended complaint, and a motion to dismiss.

As another circuit has put it, when the case has been dismissed without trial, due process may require “some kind of hearing.” Davis v. Crush, 862 F.2d 84 (C.A.6th 1988). Id. Certainly if the undersigned is going to be sanctioned in the stead of and in place of his co-counsel because of their activities and involvement in other cases around the country, then the undersigned is entitled to a hearing to bring out just what these activities outside of the four corners of this case are,

In an extremely well-known Rule 11 case decided soon after the 1983 Amendments to Rule 11, the court held that whether a hearing on sanctions should be ordered depends on the facts of the particular case. An important factor is the judge’s participation in the proceedings and knowledge of the facts. Here the Court has not participated in any proceedings because there have been none. Nor has the Court participated in any of the proceedings around the country for which it is now holding the undersigned accountable, or seeking to do so. Rather the Court is operating on hearsay in such a broad manner that a segment of the public cannot help but see it as improper political motivation from which judges should distance themselves and avoid. Donaldson v. Clark, 819 F.2d 1551, 1561 (C.A.11th 1987) A hearing is particularly required here and I request one because the Court is dealing in hearsay about matters that are factually disputed, where there are issues of credibility. See Chamaikin v. Yefimov, 932 F.2d 124 (C.A.2d 1991). The Court is quite willing to damage my professional reputation by displacing its general dislike of the actions of my co-counsel in other proceedings in which I was not involved and of which the Court has no personal knowledge and was not a participant.

In an earlier case cited in the Wright & Miller discussion of Rule 11 which did not involve Rule 11 itself but rather monetary sanctions paralleling those under Rule 11, it was said: [t]here are, in fact, several compelling reasons why notice, an opportunity to prepare a defense, and a hearing are required before sanctioning counsel. These procedural requirements will assure that: (1) attorneys will have an opportunity to prepare a defense and to explain their questionable conduct at a hearing; (2) the judge will have time to consider the severity and propriety of the proposed sanction in light of the attorneys’ explanation for their conduct; and (3) the facts supporting the sanction will appear in the record, facilitating appellate review. Miranda v. Southern Pacific Transportation Company, 710 F.2d 516, 522-23 (Hug, J.) (C.A.9th 1983) cited in Wright & Miller at 755 Here the Court has referred to a number of facts outside of the record of this particular case and, therefore, the undersigned is particularly entitled to a hearing to get the truth of those matters into the record. This may require the Court to authorize some discovery.

The Court’s generalizations begin at the outset of its memorandum, p. 1, where it speaks of the occupant of the White House at this time as having been not been properly “vetted.” “[V]etted” is, needless to say, not a term of art in the law and, as pointed out in our first installment, and assumes facts outside the four corners of this case not pled in the complaint.

What was required was that we cite “some” legal authority for our argument, which we did repeatedly.

Yet the Court ignored the authority we cited and paid no attention to it, going outside of the record, mischaracterizing what we said and making unsupported non-specific assertions of violations of the requirement for a warrant in law or a good faith modification, extension, of that law or development of new law. In fact there is no established law as to what we have alleged and asserted other than that which we have cited. Further, it has been held by controlling authority that Rule 11 allows pleading based on evidence reasonably anticipated after further investigation or discovery. Rotella v. Wood, 120 S.Ct. 1075, 528 U.S. 549, 145 L.Ed.2d 1047 (2000).

Here we have alleged in the complaint, allegations which must be taken as true for purposes of a dismissal motion, that there are facts which point to the underlying crucial fact that the defendant Obama is not a “natural born citizen” within the constitutional meaning of that phrase. Unfortunately, the Court seems anxious not only to prevent our reaching the truth of the matter but to “chill” us and any others who may attempt to reach the truth of the matter. The Court does so by non-professional language and inference regarding concepts of issue and claim preclusion which are not warranted in law or supported by factual grounds.

I wish to point out that at the pleading stage of a case, which the Court never got beyond, a court is not well positioned to determine whether a complaint such as ours is filed for improper purposes. Rothman v. City of Chicago, 2003 WL 21148180 (D.C.Ill.2003) Yet the court has impugned my integrity. I want to repeat what I wrote in the first portion of my response to the Court’s “Show Cause” demand submitted earlier today, March 16, 2009, as required by the short notice of 11 days given me by this Honorable Court. During World War II, when only 17 (I am now 82) I volunteered to enlist in the infantry of the Army of the United States as a private. I remember well when I was being trained for deployment asking myself the question of what I should do if I were ordered to do something by a superior officer which was not legal, which is what we are alleging could well happen here. When I was promoted to the rank of Second Lieutenant, Infantry, these concerns deepened, because my actions would then affect the lives of my 40 men. This is a very serious question for any who have worn the uniform, and it was particularly serious then, in time of war. There is no support for the Court’s questioning our intentions and purpose here on the issue of legitimacy of the holder of the office of President of the United States.

Respectfully submitted,
/s/
JOHN D. HEMENWAY
John D. Hemenway D.C. Bar #379663
4816 Rodman Street, NW
Washington DC 20016
(202) 628-4819
NOTE: This is the second of two parts of the Show of Cause submitted
to this Court in response to the Order of March 05, 2009 requiring
Attorney Hemenway to Show Cause within 11 days why he should not
be sanctioned under Rule 11 (b) of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure."

Highlights listed and emphasis given, IMO.

Full document found here:
Hollister Supplemental Show of Cause 03-16-091

76 posted on 03/20/2009 1:19:24 AM PDT by rxsid
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To: rxsid

God bless and protect that attorney. He’s got guts.
Are you an attorney .. and do you know if he has
recourse to a higher court or a change of venue?


77 posted on 03/20/2009 8:00:31 AM PDT by STARWISE (They (LIBS-STILL) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war- Richard Miniter)
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To: rxsid

Does this all boil down to the fact that the judge felt this was tried in the “court of public opinion” and because BO was elected (shudder) he doesn’t have to hear it?

I admire their determination to have this case heard. God bless them.


78 posted on 03/20/2009 8:12:58 AM PDT by azishot (I just joined the NRA.)
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To: STARWISE

I’m not an attorney, simply a concerned citizen. As we all know, not even judges are above the law (or policy, and so forth). I’ve not heard or read what Attorney Hemenway might do if this ‘step’ doesn’t provide him the relief he seeks. My guess, since the release of his part 1 of 2 response a few days ago, is that the Judge will back off on his demand to show cause. Otherwise, it would appear, that the judge may have opened a door (to discovery) that he didn’t intend to open.


79 posted on 03/20/2009 9:43:11 AM PDT by rxsid
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To: azishot
"Does this all boil down to the fact that the judge felt this was tried in the “court of public opinion” and because BO was elected (shudder) he doesn’t have to hear it?"

That's precisely what it appears this judge believes. That is, the (uninformed) populous voters spoke and they are not to be challenged. That is, as you say, the court of public opinion has already heard this case and therefore it has no place in the actual judicial system.

80 posted on 03/20/2009 9:47:45 AM PDT by rxsid
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To: rxsid
Dear God, our heavenly Father

Put a wall of protection around Mr. Hemenway and if your will .. expose and deport the usurper of the land you provided for us.

In Jesus name, and for His sake
Amen

81 posted on 04/01/2009 3:56:54 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: rxsid

We need more people with guts like John Hemenway.


82 posted on 04/01/2009 5:28:16 AM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Uncle Chip

We sure do! He seems like a very honorable and patriotic man.


83 posted on 04/01/2009 4:20:03 PM PDT by rxsid
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