Posted on 03/18/2009 9:25:32 PM PDT by keepitreal
roanoke,va - WASHINGTON (AP) - Now it can be told: The mysterious petty theft that President Barack Obama’s new computer chief committed at age 21 was shoplifting four dress shirts worth $134 from J.C. Penney. A 1996 Montgomery County, Md., police report obtained by The Associated Press on Wednesday under a public records law shows Vivek Kundra was observed by a security guard putting the men’s shirts into a shopping bag and leaving the store without paying. Sgt. Tom Stanton wrote that Kundra was arrested after a brief foot chase and the property was recovered
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Looter guy is his mentor LOL!
Now, what?
Could he lift a vault birth certificate in Hawaii on a quick trip?
A kind man will give another the shirt off his back. A liberal will give the shirt off another’s back to help a third. Officials in the Obama administration seeks to streamline government by cutting out the middleman, taking the shirts directly from the seller without the necessity of having to take them off some rich person’s back (to give to a third).
Crooks, Liars, and Thieves...Oh, My!
We’re off to see the Wizard...
Could not get a DoD Security Clearance with acrim record...but can do the IT thing for the whole country...WTF???
Is the O administration trying to “out-crook” the Clinton admin?
We live in Bizarro World.
There are a few things I did at the age of 21 that I am thankful I never got caught doing. I would like to think that 20 years later I have learned a thing or two.
Do we really want to play this game of gocha for stuff done years ago.....especially when the here and now is far, far, far, far worse? It’s not like he left a girl to drown after wrecking a car.
I give him a pass on stolen shirts at age 21....I hate this process of dirt digging for past sins....
DoD Security Clearance with acrim a crim (criminal) record...
The excuses keep getting thinner. Now that Kundra is in the "Bigs", now what?
LOL
Well said and quite right.
I agree
It actually counts as training for government work.
I imagine he put it on his resume.
Total agreement.
This is one of those odd topics in which I am morally conflicted.
On the one hand I loathe the Democrats and Chief Bam! to such an extent that I wish them continued bad press and failures.
On the flip side, all my life I have been a staunch defender of forgiving people for being stupid and young. As one of those “boring” people who lived a straight laced young life, I have seen many of my “exciting” friends who crossed the line many times, sober up and grow to be even more responsible and conservative than me. I think that because they were given a chance to settle down, they succeeded and are today good Church going, tax paying, country loving, neighbor caring citizens.
Had we thrown them all in Jail and given them criminal records, they would all be doing blue collar jobs today.
Just my 2 cents.
He should be National Security Advisor. He would be great at sneaking documents out of the National Archives.
He just got back from having to take a leave of absence on his first day to deal with a police investigation of bribes and corruption going on in his former office. It would be funny if it all wasn’t so outrageous.
Wow. I figured any rat president would have trouble finding normal decent people to man his administration, but this is ridiculous. Can’t Dumbo find anybody honest?
Checks to Locke’s campaign poured in from prominent Huang and Sioeng associates across the country, including: Maeley Tom, a Sacramento lobbyist who worked as a Lippo consultant; Hoyt Zia, a Commerce Department counsel, who stated in a sworn deposition that Huang had access to virtually any classified document through him; Melinda Yee, another Commerce Department official, who made routine phone calls to Lippo and is under investigation by the Justice Department for destroying notes she took on a China trade mission; Ginger Lew, who allegedly helped pilfer classified intelligence documents when she left Commerce last summer; Praitun Kanchanalak, mother of indicted Thai influence-peddler Pauline; Kent La, exclusive distributor of Sioeng’s Chinese cigarettes in the U.S.; and Sioeng’s wife and son-in-law.
Most of these individuals are targets of federal investigations. None of their contributions has been returned by Locke. Ostensibly, Locke doesn’t want to offend his donors. But what about the embarrassment his indiscriminate fund raising has caused the citizens of Washington state?
The guy in charge of trading with China involved in a Chinese fundraising scandal? Nah! This is the most transparent, ethical administration since....Clintoon.....
“There are a few things I did at the age of 21 that I am thankful I never got caught doing. I would like to think that 20 years later I have learned a thing or two.
Do we really want to play this game of gocha for stuff done years ago.....especially when the here and now is far, far, far, far worse?”
Typically, a statement like yours would be from a Dimocrat who is uncomfortable that their own ox just got gored.
“Well said and quite right.”
And just how well are Republicans doing playing by the rules that Dimocratz write which we are supposed to follow but which they ignore?
Since you defended the selection of Kundra when I posted a thread questioning it:
Federal Computer Week: Kundra’s job is now in question
http://fcw.com/articles/2009/03/13/analysis-kundra-now-in-question.aspx?page=1
Kundra, former chief technology officer for Washington, D.C., had been appointed to the post March 5, but took a leave of absence last week, after the FBI arrested a D.C. information security officer and a contractor as part of a bribery investigation.
The FBI on March 12 arrested Yusuf Acar, an information security specialist who worked for Kundra, and charged him with bribery, conspiracy, money laundering and conflict of interest. The FBI also arrested Sushil Bansal, president and chief executive officer of Advanced Integrated Technologies Corp., on charges of bribery and money laundering.
http://fcw.com/articles/2009/03/17/kundra-reinstated.aspx
Shop lifting from J. C. Penny. Not even Geihtner could survive that embarassment!
Did he wear one of the shirts for his job interview?
He'll be right at home in the Obama administration.
In his early or maybe even mid teens, I can look past something like this, but at 21 you're an adult making adult decisions.
He should not be working in the White House.
So this to you is defending?
“if Obama picked him he is probably screw up regardless of what software he pushes. I would think a 34yo is hardly old enough to qualify for such a position.” and “Obviously a guy with little serious security background. *anything* with personal information of *any* American citizen needs to be private by default” — n3wbi3
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2200383/posts?page=29#29
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Its the height of hilarity that you consider this is me ‘defending’ the pick when in reality I am as against it as anyone else. Maybe this should get tacked onto the giant list of Golden Eagle Lies that others have kept track of..
that's a crock.
If you get caught stealing, think of all the times he DIDN'T get caught. Same guy that will cheat on taxes, little white lie about resume, maybe just a little plagiarism, fudge a little data on his reports... and on and on.
Small things matter when a big crisis comes. The ability to give a man a task and know for a fact that if the country depends on it, this man will do it and won't lie about it.
Attention to details and trust. If you depend on someone that has shoplifted something as meaningless as a couple of dress shirts, what is this clown going to do when seriously tempted by someone with lots of cash, girls, shirts whatever.... he'd sell us out in a second. Cause that's the weak link in his character. That's why it matters. Especially in positions that are at risk for espionage or state secrets. Look at what one FBI agent named Robert Hansen did because of a character deficit.
Hmmm... Taking something that doesn’t belong to him?
Sounds like a good head start on being a Democrat to me
Oh please, that's plain ridiculous! Yeah, a pox on Obama and his administration, but a guy should not be in the white house because 23 years ago he shoplifted some shirts! That's ludicrous, particularly if you consider what people tend to do when they are young. For instance, Reagan is the best modern president the US has ever had, but I wonder what he was doing when he was TWENTY ONE years of age!!!!
There is more than enough solid material to take down the Obama administration ...all of them. Actually so much cogent information that, were the media not covering for him, would have sunk his administration many times over. However, throwing barbs based on what 21 year olds were doing twenty something years ago is not only silly, but it dilutes the real meat that can be used against the administration. It would be a good excuse for the old argumentative jujitsu trick where, when someone is trying to make a very coherent point, the other person picks on a small issue that has no pertinence, and uses it to paint the bigger cogent argument as flawed. Basically a strawman.
There is enough ammo on Obama's pack of rats to take them down ....there is no need to start having a party over some shoplifted shirts by a then 21 year old, particularly when the average American will simply think of some of the STUPID STUFF they themselves did when they were 21, and decide that maybe we are just locos baying at the moon.
Let's focus our resources on the real stuff (and there is a lot of that), rather than focus on who was shoplifting shirts at age 21, when the vast majority of Americans also did a lot of stupid stuff at and around that age (remember that is college age, and the things I saw in college ......).
"Probably" was clearly your qualifier before you went on to endlessly attack me for questioning the pick, accusing me of being xenophobic. Looks like his partners in crime up there that led to his sudden leave of absence are all of foreign descent as well, as I said repeatedly on that thread it's why we should check the background as part of a security check of nationalized citizens before giving them a security clearance, and very possibly how this info about his shoplifting past came to light. Cue for you to claim how unfair it is that info has come out now as well.
There is "real stuff" about this guy if you'd read the links I provided instead of giving a half page defense of why crimes of youth are irrelevant.
“Do we really want to play this game of gocha for stuff done years ago”
It’s a dlimma.
That’s how libtards play the game, and it seems to work when they perform character assasination on a Conservative.
Politics is dirtier than ever, and if libtards want to examine the lives and quotes of Conservatives, then they too must be held up to the light.
Erman, do you want to hold our guys to this same standard? If four shirts disqualifies you from public service, what does a DUI do? Do you REALLY want to go there?
‘”Probably” was clearly your qualifier before you went on to endlessly attack me for questioning the pick, accusing me of being xenophobic’
Probability means 99.99% of the people Obama picks are going to be screw-ups and there was no qualifier on *any* other criticism I had
FWIW I did not attack you for being xenophobic until you started acting like a xenophobe. And I was not the only one who called you out on that
“Vivek Kundra was born in India in the city of New Delhi. He grew up in Tanzania and speaks Swahili as his first language.” — Golden Eagle
“so he can pick some guy who may not even be a US citizen and give him complete control over the Federal government’s entire IT operation without having to ask anyone it doesn’t look like.” — Golden Eagle (BTW the guy is a citizen just not native born)
“this 30 year old Indian will apparently have full control over all Federal IT systems” — Golden Eagle
“Obama’s brash young Indian geek” — Golden Eagle
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That’s all before I said this:
“The guy has lived in the US for about 75% of his life (came her legally at the age of 11. I as the grandson of an immigrant who came much later in life and love this nation deeply have to say... Stop with the place of birth crap. It may very well be this guy is anti American but I can go to most metro ares in the US and not throw a stick without hitting a home grown anti-American.” — n3wbi3
And you went on
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“you seriously expect that to be the case with Obama’s 30 year old Indian selectee?” — golden eagle
“Legal Immigrants who go through the citizenship process are *not* Indians, they are Americans! quit it with the race baiting..” — n3wbi3
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The rest of your pitiful off target rants on this guy (including accusing him of growing up and speaking Somali can be seen here if anyone is interested.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2200383/posts
At *no* point did I defend him, just because I don’t litter my language with anti-immigrant drivel does not mean I support this guy.
Go where? Are you talking about Bush's DUI.
Yeah, I'll go there.
Stealing versus drinking. I'll take a guy that was a drunk and is now a non-drinker. Versus a thief. But that's just me.
I just think stealing is basically a need to get something that you want without working for it. It seems to show a need for material things and how important the external signs of wealth/status/whatever are to a person that is a thief.
A DUI can come from drinking and celebrating with bad luck on the drive home... but most DUI's I've seen at work and heard about from friends and acquaintances are from alcoholics. They either admit they have a problem or are pathologic and can't be trusted with anything because of the lies that they have to live in order to prove that alcohol or drugs don't rule their lives.
So yeah, I guess I'll go there. Character matters.
So if my choice is between a thief or an alcoholic, I'll chose neither. If it's between a thief and an alcoholic that is on the wagon and has admitted his inability to cope with drinking and takes responsibility for his character flaw... Then I'll take the honest guy.
Is that what you mean?
I agree.
I’m with you, erman. A shoplifting adult betrays a real dishonesty and thieving lack of character.
A DUI is not bad luck, it is poor decision making. President Bush obviously overcame his past based on his recent performance. It is his recent performance that he was re-elected on.
Your argument is based on a false premise. It is not stealing versus drinking, it is stealing versus a DUI. You try to minimize one deviant behavior and excuse it while demonizing the other. Have you ever been hit by a drunk driver? Have you lost a loved one because of DUI? Yet, knowing the risks to others, drunks get behind the wheel and lie to themselves thinking they will cause no harm. If you want to talk about honesty, the most dishonest people are drunks who get behind the wheel thinking they will do no harm.
While making the comparison, you ignore recent behavior. Both men are flawed and both had sins in a distant past, yet, you want the past to stick to one but not the other? Sorry, it doesn't work that way.
Why not judge people by who they are and what they are doing now? There is plenty of damning evidence to disqualify this guy and most any democrat. Why is that not enough?
You come off looking extremely petty and just plain silly trying to say one sin committed 20 years ago is worse than another, that one is OK and another will disqualify you for life.
Bottom line is, your logic is flawed. You are holding Republicans to one standard, a lower one, and Democrats to a higher one. This is the very behavior that makes my head spin when it comes to the media, but it's always Republicans held to the higher standard. So what do we do, we demand an even playing field. But even isnt what you want. You are no better than the libs in the press who tilt the news in favor of Dems. This does nothing for our party but make us look exactly like Dims to the uninformed because the bottom line behavior is exactly the same.
My advice to you is to grow up and live in the here and now. Take the plank out of your own eye so you can see clearly when taking the splinter out of others eyes. You are what is wrong with the Republican party. We do not convince others we are different by acting like Democrats. If it's a disgusting practice when Dims do it, it is just as disgusting and vile when Republicans do it.
In all seriousness, the first black President is performing quite stereotypically.
Nothing this African Marxist does at this point is surprising
read my ENTIRE post... it's real simple.
Start at the left hand side of the page and go to the right. If you have a problem with that try this. The side opposite of the hand you pick your nose with... start on that side and read what I said about drunk driving.
I said that both reveal character flaws.
My advice to you is to grow up and live in the here and now. Take the plank out of your own eye so you can see clearly when taking the splinter out of others eyes. You are what is wrong with the Republican party. We do not convince others we are different by acting like Democrats. If it's a disgusting practice when Dims do it, it is just as disgusting and vile when Republicans do it.
You just wanted to rant about some BS. So go for it. My advice to YOU is to spit out the vinegar and water and quit acting like a douche bag. If you're going to flame me at least flame me for what I've written.
I'll repeat myself... BOTH DUI and stealing reveal character flaws. If having to chose between a drunk and a thief I'll take NEITHER.
I said that I'd take the man that admitted his inability to drink without getting behind the wheel and killing someone versus an unrepentant thief. I'll always take the guy that accepts responsibility for his actions and deals with it.
As far as the plank in the eye and the splinter in my finger or whatever... puhleeze. Ya just had to get the Christian thing in cause we know that you've got that market cornered also.
Find something or somebody else to rant on... like maybe go to a parking lot and yell at some kids or something cause it looks like you're just itching for an excuse to rant on about how we should overlook dems and not be judgmental about character issues.
Hey, we got a guy that smoked pot, "blew some coke" and might have even tried heroin presently occupying the Oval Office. I'm not worried about that. I'm more worried that he believes the utopian fantasy of communal living as taught by Charles Fourier,Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels
trust me on this. I'm not what is wrong with the Republican party. I'm not in the Republican party. I'm a conservative that's it. Nothing fancy, just a squirrel trying to get his nut.
sounds like you're just like me... but the other way around.
read my ENTIRE post... it's real simple.
Start at the left hand side of the page and go to the right. If you have a problem with that try this. The side opposite of the hand you pick your nose with... start on that side and read what I said about drunk driving.
I said that both reveal character flaws.
My advice to you is to grow up and live in the here and now. Take the plank out of your own eye so you can see clearly when taking the splinter out of others eyes. You are what is wrong with the Republican party. We do not convince others we are different by acting like Democrats. If it's a disgusting practice when Dims do it, it is just as disgusting and vile when Republicans do it.
You just wanted to rant about some BS. So go for it. My advice to YOU is to spit out the vinegar and water and quit acting like a douche bag. If you're going to flame me at least flame me for what I've written.
I'll repeat myself... BOTH DUI and stealing reveal character flaws. If having to chose between a drunk and a thief I'll take NEITHER.
I said that I'd take the man that admitted his inability to drink without getting behind the wheel and killing someone versus an unrepentant thief. I'll always take the guy that accepts responsibility for his actions and deals with it.
As far as the plank in the eye and the splinter in my finger or whatever... puhleeze. Ya just had to get the Christian thing in cause we know that you've got that market cornered also.
Find something or somebody else to rant on... like maybe go to a parking lot and yell at some kids or something cause it looks like you're just itching for an excuse to rant on about how we should overlook dems and not be judgmental about character issues.
Hey, we got a guy that smoked pot, "blew some coke" and might have even tried heroin presently occupying the Oval Office. I'm not worried about that. I'm more worried that he believes the utopian fantasy of communal living as taught by Charles Fourier,Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels
trust me on this. I'm not what is wrong with the Republican party. I'm not in the Republican party. I'm a conservative that's it. Nothing fancy, just a squirrel trying to get his nut.
sounds like you're just like me... but the other way around.
Obviously you did, when you lashed into me endlessly for questioning his background, including his country of origin, which is clearly relevant when one is being considered for a high level government position. You're doing it again now, as well, whether you are ever willing to admit you're defending him again or not. If you even understood the basic fact there are rightfully higher levels of scrutiny applied to nationalized citizens before they are granted a security clearance you might realize how silly you look defending the guy, not to mention all these other issues that have arisen since which further expose him as a horrible selection, but do as you wish.
“Obviously you did, when you lashed into me endlessly for questioning his background, including his country of origin”
You questioning his nationality was the *only* thing that I questioned as did SWC and others. Thats not defending him thats calling out a biggot..
“If you even understood the basic fact there are rightfully higher levels of scrutiny applied to nationalized citizens before they are granted a security clearance you might realize how silly you look defending the guy”
The grandson and husband of an immigrant I full well understand *reasonable* questions. Not the regular immigrant bashing you take part in. Trust me *I* am not the one coming across as foolish in these exchanges...
If you’re a conservative, try acting like one instead of a 5 year old.
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