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Please, just leave: Right-wing crackpots plot to abandon the union (says we're the problem)
The Boston Phoenix ^ | March 18, 2009 | Mike Milliard

Posted on 03/19/2009 3:34:51 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

"What kind of revolution appeals most to you?" read the now-deleted poll question on Sean Hannity's message board: "Military Coup, Armed Rebellion, or War for Secession?"

The next four to eight years are gonna be some fun!

Barely two months into the Obama administration, wing-nuts across the land are frothing at the mouth, talking feverishly of secession, violent revolution, tax revolt, "going Galt," and national divorce. It would be hilarious if it weren't so creepy.

We all had a good laugh this past December when Igor Panarin, dean of the Russian Foreign Ministry's academy for future diplomats, predicted that the financial crisis would eventually lead to widespread unrest, martial law, and, by 2010, a civil war in the US — the end result of which would be a motley collection of rump states like "Atlantic America" and the "Texas Republic," that then glom onto countries such as Canada and Mexico. It's an absurd idea.

Or is it? Perusing some of the sheer insanity spewed on rightist blogs, message boards, and comment threads — the pitchfork-shaking anger directed at this so-called socialist government — one has to wonder just what's percolating in this country. Maybe the big break-up is coming sooner than we think?

Obama talks a lot about his affinity for Abraham Lincoln. Let's just hope he doesn't end up having too much in common with the guy — that in addition to saving the economy, winning two wars, and curbing global warming, he doesn't find himself having to preserve the Union, too.

People are pissed. New faux-populist hero Rick Santelli has been enjoining citizens to register their disgust with the stimulus plan and budget by bombarding the White House and Capitol with tea bags — get it?! (The phenomenon has apparently caused headaches for workers charged with the safety screening of DC mail.) Meanwhile, 4000 people gathered this past Saturday for a so-called "Cincinnati Tea Party." Read one sign: HONK IF I'M PAYING YOUR MORTGAGE.

But protests do only so much. More and more, it seems, nothing less than outright secession will satisfy some of these cranks. The right-wing Web is all atwitter over a recent open letter, spreading from blog to blog like a hanta virus, by one "John J. Wall, Law Student and an American." In it, Wall puts it plainly: he wants a divorce.

"Let's just end it on friendly terms," he writes. "We don't like redistributive taxes so you can keep them. . . . Since you hate guns and war, we'll take our firearms, the cops, the NRA, and the military." (What they'll do with all the guns he doesn't say.)

Ironically, when not busy fomenting revolution or concocting a plan to carve up the continental US, conservatives act a lot like the "hippies" that Wall went on to lambaste in his letter — thumbing their nose at authority and threatening to drop out of society.

It was reported on military.com last month that a soldier, First Lieutenant Scott Easterling, who is stationed in Iraq, has balked at following orders: "Until Mr. Obama releases a 'vault copy' of his original birth certificate for public review," he declared, "I will consider him neither my commander in chief nor my president, but rather, a usurper to the office — an impostor."

And the latest bit of in(s)anity making the rounds in conservative circles in is the notion of "going Galt," in which angry rich people protest Obama's fiscal policies by following the lead of John Galt —übermensch protagonist of Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged — and removing their ostensibly valuable productivity from society.

Why? Because "a general strike among the wealth producers," as Michelle Malkin calls it, will help keep that wealth out of the grubby hands of the lower classes — those "moochers who claim your product by tears," in Rand's piquant description. Sigh.

Are we fated to fracture into Jesus Land and the People's Republic of Massafornia? Probably not. But maybe! Until and unless that day arrives, however, ours remains a riven nation. But if Malkin and their ilk want to "drop out" in the meantime, more power to 'em. It'll be nice, frankly, not to have to hear them talk for a while.


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It's called projection.
1 posted on 03/19/2009 3:34:51 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I seem to recall that the leftists didn’t even wait for President Bush to be sworn in before they went balistic - calling for impeachment and generally blasting him at every turn - some even wanted to leave the country (they never did - libs NEVER keep thier promises!)

At least “we” waited to see if Pres__ent Zero actually turned out to be the NULL that we expected him to be ....


2 posted on 03/19/2009 3:38:47 AM PDT by An.American.Expatriate (Here's my strategy on the War against Terrorism: We win, they lose. - with apologies to R.R.)
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Barely two months into the Obama administration, wing-nuts across the land are frothing at the mouth, talking feverishly of secession, violent revolution, tax revolt, "going Galt," and national divorce. It would be hilarious if it weren't so creepy.

Holy mackerel! They almost sound like DEMOCRATS, who promised (THEY LIED!!!! Who didn't see that one coming!) to leave the USA once Bush was elected!

3 posted on 03/19/2009 3:39:36 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’ll read this comedy piece later.


4 posted on 03/19/2009 3:41:00 AM PDT by jimtorr
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They are beginning to get antsy. Excellent ...


6 posted on 03/19/2009 3:45:05 AM PDT by fortunate sun (Undermine Obama with every thought, word and deed.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
“Barely two months into the Obama administration, wing-nuts across the land are frothing at the mouth, talking feverishly of secession, violent revolution, tax revolt, “going Galt,” and national divorce. It would be hilarious if it weren't so creepy.”
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Ah, no, Mike, you are creepy and delusional. Check back to your ruminations about “wingnuts” in a few months. I don't think you will be laughing in the future, ass.

7 posted on 03/19/2009 3:45:05 AM PDT by RepublicanChick (Thanks for the memories of a great nation - FUBO!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Yeah, but notice the thread of continuity with pre-Obama oratory: we are still the "ilks".
8 posted on 03/19/2009 3:45:59 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Until and unless that day arrives, however, ours remains a riven nation. But if Malkin and their ilk want to "drop out" in the meantime, more power to 'em. It'll be nice, frankly, not to have to hear them talk for a while.

He won't be so cavalier when his taxes go to 99% in "Massafornia" to cover all their social programs.

9 posted on 03/19/2009 3:46:25 AM PDT by Abundy
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Phoenix wasn’t always this outspoken:

“There are three reasons not to publish the Danish cartoons depicting Mohammed with his turban styled as a bomb (to view the cartoons, click here) and the other images that have sparked violent protests and deaths throughout Europe, the Middle East, West Asia, and Indonesia:

1) Out of fear of retaliation from the international brotherhood of radical and bloodthirsty Islamists who seek to impose their will on those who do not believe as they do. This is, frankly, our primary reason for not publishing any of the images in question. Simply stated, we are being terrorized, and as deeply as we believe in the principles of free speech and a free press, we could not in good conscience place the men and women who work at the Phoenix and its related companies in physical jeopardy. As we feel forced, literally, to bend to maniacal pressure, this may be the darkest moment in our 40-year publishing history.

2) Out of respect for the millions of faithful and peace-abiding believers throughout the world who are deeply disturbed by the violation of their religion’s proscription against the pictorial representation of their prophet.

3) And in the hope that restraint shown by those who believe deeply in the sanctity of free speech will be able to stand side by side with those who believe with equal fervor in the dignity of religious expression to oppose the forces of darkness and evil in the Islamic world.

That is why there is no image in the space above this editorial....”

http://thephoenix.com/Boston/News/3588-World-of-pain/


10 posted on 03/19/2009 3:47:02 AM PDT by Mac from Cleveland (How to make a small fortune in the Obama era--first, start off with a big fortune....)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Crackpots who supported and voted for Obama are just as mad.


11 posted on 03/19/2009 3:48:51 AM PDT by Thrownatbirth (.....Iraq Invasion fan since '91.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
directed at this so-called socialist government

Somebody's living in a fantasy world here, and it sure ain't the people mad at Obama.
12 posted on 03/19/2009 3:49:38 AM PDT by MitchellC ("I can no more renounce Rush, than I can my own grandmother...")
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To: An.American.Expatriate
I seem to recall that the leftists didn’t even wait for President Bush to be sworn in before they went balistic - calling for impeachment and generally blasting him at every turn - some even wanted to leave the country (they never did - libs NEVER keep thier promises!)

Next time, let's take them up on it, and enforce their rhetoric on them.

Let's kick New England and downstate New York out of the Union.

Then exile Berkeley and Ithaca and Georgetown residents under pain of death. Nick their ears and tattoo "Leftist Loser" on their foreheads, then put them on planes and boats to anywhere. Problem solved.

Of course, Obama's Weatherman pal Bill Ayers's solution is for 25,000,000 of us to die.

13 posted on 03/19/2009 3:51:15 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Tho is Mike Milliard?


14 posted on 03/19/2009 3:54:11 AM PDT by wmileo (I miss Ronald Wilson Reagan. POTUS #40)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
To the mod that deleted my post #5... I am sorry if that offended you. Let me just say that it seems like the left is trying to change the Nation that we all love into something else and it is the left that should create their own Nirvana and allow the rest of us to live under the Freedom and Liberty that so many patriots have fought and died for. That was my point.

LLS

15 posted on 03/19/2009 3:54:33 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (hussein will NEVER be my President... NEVER!!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The solution is a return to and a re-embracement of the principles of the Constitution and our Founders.

There’s no need to secede.

Yet.


16 posted on 03/19/2009 3:55:13 AM PDT by sauropod (Welcome to O'Malleyland. What's in your wallet?)
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To: Abundy

Obamanation or Jesusland, I’ll take Jesusland


17 posted on 03/19/2009 3:55:58 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Don’t worry. We’re not going anywhere. Though, I do wish all those leftist retards had left when Bush was elected.


18 posted on 03/19/2009 3:57:05 AM PDT by HoosierHawk (Democrats - Looting American citizens for generations to come.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Spoken like a true Yankee. Arrogance on display. If you have a problem with socialism you are nuts. I know now how my Virginia ancestors felt in 1861, it is a “creepy” feeling I will grant the Yank that.


19 posted on 03/19/2009 4:00:52 AM PDT by central_va (Co. C, 15th Va., Patrick Henry Rifles-The boys of Hanover Co.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Keep your Liberal paradise (open borders, Marxists, Affirmative Action, no guns, gays, global warmers...)

Keep it.


20 posted on 03/19/2009 4:02:08 AM PDT by wac3rd (In the end, we all are Conservative, some just need their lives jolted to realize that fact.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I like the idea of “going Galt” best. That way, we can watch all the Obama voters cry about how they are not getting all the government we paid for.
21 posted on 03/19/2009 4:03:35 AM PDT by pnh102 (Save America - Ban Ethanol Now!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

—Are we fated to fracture into Jesus Land and the People’s Republic of Massafornia?—

Your lips to God’s ears, Mike.


22 posted on 03/19/2009 4:11:33 AM PDT by seatrout (I wouldn't know most "American Idol" winners if I tripped over them!)
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To: All; pnh102

Galt’s Gulch a tropical paradise?

http://www.LivingInThePhilippines.com


23 posted on 03/19/2009 4:12:57 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (In honor of my late father-Gysgt/Comm. Chief, USMC WWII, Korea 1925-2002)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
that in addition to saving the economy, winning two wars, and curbing global warming, he doesn't find himself having to preserve the Union, too.

Good lord.

24 posted on 03/19/2009 4:16:20 AM PDT by SIDENET (President Obama's teleprompter has issued a stern warning to corporate executives)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Just the sort of smarmy, superior, condescending, dismissive drivel I would expect from from a lib “journalist”.

He already has “abandoned the union” because for his “ilk” there was never really any interest in “uniting”, only interest in dominating and ruling.

Here is a hint for the dismissive types: We are not some pampered Hollywood loud mouths making idle threats about moving to our homes on the French Riviera ... we are the people that pay 90% of the taxes, own 90% of the guns, grow 90% of the food, control the country outside of urban areas, and would rather go down fighting than see “The Government” become superior to “The People”.

25 posted on 03/19/2009 4:20:06 AM PDT by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I believe we were here first Marxist pigs.....


26 posted on 03/19/2009 4:20:41 AM PDT by rightwingextremist1776
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To: seatrout

lol, love your tag line, I did trip over one of them, standing in the aisle of the Grange with her dog and two friends yakking. I had no idea who she was, I just wanted them to get the heck out of the way


27 posted on 03/19/2009 4:21:08 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
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To: fortunate sun

“They are beginning to get antsy. Excellent ...”

They certainly are. I’ve been listening to the local, talk shows closely and the number of people calling in saying that they don’t see any recourse but to fight is eye-opening. I’m not talking about nut-bars but people who are speaking in a very calm, thoughtful manner.

The opposition will call in also and their responses range from hysterical ranting to absolute faith that Obama will make everything right.

I’ve never heard anything like this, even in the Clinton years.


28 posted on 03/19/2009 4:27:07 AM PDT by dljordan
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“he doesn’t find himself having to preserve the Union, too.”

You can’t preserve a thing you despise and want dead.


29 posted on 03/19/2009 4:28:17 AM PDT by TalBlack
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Wonder where this guy was eight years ago when the left had a petulant fit over the election of GW Bush.

That said, I can't totally object to what the writer says. To me it's clear that Obama's policies are and will be a disaster, but the Constitution does not guarantee a government of wisdom and prosperity. The man is our elected president and our republic presupposes a level of political and civic maturity from citizens to accept election results that we do not favor. Nonsense about secession and revolution may be a fun way to blow off steam and a great ratings builder for media figures, but it plays into the hands of those who would condemn all conservatives and all conservative principles. It's time for a lot of conservatives to grow up and quit being such drama queens.

Obama is the legal president, we need to support him as commander in chief and chief custodian of our nations security. We need to respect the office more than those on the far left did when GW Bush was in office. That does not mean that we should not do everything we can as the loyal opposition to defeat his harmful domestic policy.

Then there's this silliness about "going Galt". The inescapable laws of the marketplace will slowly and undramatically do what this recourse to Ayn Rand's character promises. But the workings of nature do not provide ratings and notoriety to cute conservative media commentators.

30 posted on 03/19/2009 4:29:53 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: seatrout

Yeah, I wish.

The little problem is that once the Massafornians have built their unlivable, unsustainable little Utopias they’ll flee to Jesus Land and work on wrecking that home.

I dunno. Maybe Jesus Land could take the Border Patrol along with the military and the NRA. Libs clearly have no use for it.


31 posted on 03/19/2009 4:34:59 AM PDT by Nickname
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
Nonsense about secession

You live north of the Mason-Dixon?

32 posted on 03/19/2009 4:38:27 AM PDT by central_va (Co. C, 15th Va., Patrick Henry Rifles-The boys of Hanover Co.)
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To: central_va
You live north of the Mason-Dixon?

Well south of it, as all my relatives since the 1700s.

33 posted on 03/19/2009 4:41:58 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
Well south of it, as all my relatives since the 1700s.

There is a graveyard, not 10 miles from my house, filled with the bones of a bunch odd "silly" dead people. I guess believing in something and not wanting to go with the flow is "silly". You 're right I guess, "proud" to have you as a southern neighbor.

34 posted on 03/19/2009 4:45:36 AM PDT by central_va (Co. C, 15th Va., Patrick Henry Rifles-The boys of Hanover Co.)
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To: central_va

The greatest Confederate hero, Robert E. Lee, thought secession silly and illegal. He fought for Virginia, not out of any respect for the idiotic secession.


35 posted on 03/19/2009 4:51:11 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.

Every government degenerates when trusted to the rulers of the people alone. The people themselves are its only safe depositories.

The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

We are not to expect to be translated from despotism to liberty in a featherbed.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

Thomas Jefferson

You call us drama queens? You're head is buried in the sand.
36 posted on 03/19/2009 4:51:43 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Looking for our Sam Adams)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Dissent is Patriotic

37 posted on 03/19/2009 4:53:11 AM PDT by EBH (The world is a balance between good & evil, your next choice will tip the scale.)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
idiotic secession

By your non-dismissive attitude, it appears that you seem very adept at making "friends", have you considered a move to Boston? It might befit you....

Have you ever read the 10th ammendment?

38 posted on 03/19/2009 4:56:42 AM PDT by central_va (Co. C, 15th Va., Patrick Henry Rifles-The boys of Hanover Co.)
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To: snippy_about_it
You're head is buried in the sand.

The "colonel's" head is buried, but not in sand.

39 posted on 03/19/2009 4:58:12 AM PDT by central_va (Co. C, 15th Va., Patrick Henry Rifles-The boys of Hanover Co.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Military Coup, Armed Rebellion, or War for Secession?” I choose choice number 4: Work for restoring Constitutional Government here in the US, including standing up the feds through the states if need be! (peacefully on our part-let the Feds be the agressors, but always be ready if they infact do attack the States for standing against Unconstitutional Federal Edict).


40 posted on 03/19/2009 5:01:18 AM PDT by JSDude1 (R(epublicans) In Name Only SUCK; D(emocrats) In Name Only are worth their weight..)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

41 posted on 03/19/2009 5:03:08 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("We beat the Soviet Union, then we became them." -- Lazamataz, 2005)
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To: JSDude1

Tell me, how do I “work” peacefully with the offspring of a female dog that wrote the screed above? What common ground do I have with him?


42 posted on 03/19/2009 5:04:49 AM PDT by central_va (Co. C, 15th Va., Patrick Henry Rifles-The boys of Hanover Co.)
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To: An.American.Expatriate
And don't forget the books, plays and movies that depicted the assassination of President Bush. The death or incapacitation of Obama is a terrifying thought. That would bring us Biden, and if he were out then we would have Pelosi. Wow, we are in deep doodoo.
43 posted on 03/19/2009 5:05:08 AM PDT by jwparkerjr (God Bless America!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I have a feeling this twit won’t like communism when he has to live under it.


44 posted on 03/19/2009 5:07:36 AM PDT by darkangel82 (I don't have a superiority complex, I'm just better than you.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Another one of the “elitists” who does not understand how deep the divide is between the two Americas.
45 posted on 03/19/2009 5:09:22 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit)
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To: central_va
There are a lot of northerners that are good Americans.

Southerners don't hold a monopoly on patriotism.

46 posted on 03/19/2009 5:09:50 AM PDT by 2111USMC
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To: sauropod
re: There’s no need to secede.

Absolutely! The answer is to kick out the crazies that have brought us to this point.

It's not like we're flying blind. We have a proven plan for running a nation, all neatly written down and tested by 200 years of actually doing the job. Turn the clock back about 90 years and undo all the silliness that's led to our problems.

47 posted on 03/19/2009 5:09:50 AM PDT by jwparkerjr (God Bless America!)
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To: mad_as_he$$
Another one of the “elitists” who does not understand how deep the divide is between the two Americas.

elitist = neo-yankee

48 posted on 03/19/2009 5:10:46 AM PDT by central_va (Co. C, 15th Va., Patrick Henry Rifles-The boys of Hanover Co.)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
Nonsense about secession and revolution may be a fun way to blow off steam and a great ratings builder for media figures, but it plays into the hands of those who would condemn all conservatives and all conservative principles. It's time for a lot of conservatives to grow up and quit being such drama queens.

I am deign to respond to this in any way other than anger, but let's be adults first. I don't see any problem with discussions of secession, armed revolt, or economic coup. The left has been peddling these ideas for decades, and it was ok for them to do it. Now that they're in power, their protestations against the conservative movements to effect change is laughable. They're all hypocrites!

That being said, the Framers worked in the ability of the people to revolt against government through the Bill of Rights. Amendment 1 gives us the right to speak against the government and request redress from grievances. Amendment 2 gives us the tools to effect those changes. The problem is that aside from the Civil War, the United States has NEVER requested redress from grievances in a way that made any difference.

A perfect example would be the Bonus Army march on DC in 1932. These brave men fought for our country, came back to a floundering economy, were promised money by the government, and when they went to collect, they were burned out of their shacks and violently ousted by commanders who we would eventually call war heroes after WWII. If an armed mass of men and women peaceably marched on DC with open-breech rifles, they would be struck down before getting out of Maryland or Virginia (depending on the direction they're marching). The US government has no tolerance for civil uprisings (look at what happened in Alabama last week with the Guard), and I believe that once the government has grown to the size it is now, there need to be talks about what rights, if any, the government is letting us have.

Personally, I will not live in a country where the government is looming, ever closer to passing regulations to universally ban everything we've known about freedom. My real question and ultimate concern: will those events drive people to rise up? Or are we all doomed to a life in brown shirts and bread lines? I would die for this country and what I know it to be. Would you?

49 posted on 03/19/2009 5:11:34 AM PDT by rarestia ("One man with a gun can control 100 without one." - Lenin / MOLWN LABE!)
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To: central_va
Have you ever read the 10th ammendment?

Yes I have and I believe the nation would be a better place if it was respected. But the 10th Amendement only grants the states powers not prohibited by the Constitution and Article 1, Section 10 prohibits acts of sovereignty by the states.

50 posted on 03/19/2009 5:12:23 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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