Since Feb 7, 2009
Posted on 03/19/2009 8:40:52 AM PDT by PreciousLiberty
You are a disgusting sellout, don't think for a minute I don't know your true motivation. An economic Benedict Arnold, comes to mind.
“Why would a company spend extra money and salary to hire a foreigner? It doesn’t make sense. “
Why NBA hires foreigners? They could just hire some local kid from nearby housing complex?
The purpose of any company (well, apart from US automakers in Detroit) is to make profit. Otherwise the company is doomed (again, see Detroit). Companies are responsible for shareholders. Many large companies in the US are actually foreign companies (having large sites in the US). The nationality of workers is irrelevant.
The company wants to hire the best possible talent. Yes, it may cost extra 5-10% to hire a “foreigner” (because of generous relocation packages, tax advisers, visa fees) but companies need to hire the best talent available. Once the hiring decision is done, then the issue is pushed to HR (which tackles possible visa issues if foreigner etc). If visa is denied, the person is placed in a non-US site (not possible for every position, of course). This is how business work (Detroit is different, of course).
As Microsoft letter stated, H1 is essential for MS. This is certainly true for other companies.
Also, as stated before, 50% of high-tech “US” companies are actually established by foreigners. Are they Benedict Arnolds too? What about the 25% of US patent applications, filed by H1 holders (if green card holders included, it is probably 50% for foreigners)?
Do you seriously think it would be better for the US not to have these high-tech start-ups and patents?
If Ass hats would stop hiring foreigners, there would be an economic reason to go thru all the necessary training. Believe me, for the right price, you would be able to find the right home grown asset. At first, there might be a premium on talent, but with time supply of US talent will catch up. THERE IS NO WAY TO JUSTIFY THE H1-B PROGRAM. It is un-American to the core.
Well, I have to respectfully disagree.
Besides, a lot of companies in the US are foreign. If say, a UK company operating in the US hires somebody from Japan, is it un-American? Or un-UK?
The world in which US and US citizens created all the new companies and inventions is long gone. Majority of new stuff is today created by “foreigners”, whether it is new google or breakthrough inventions (say in nanotech).
If US chooses protectionism it only hurt itself. Companies (both US and foreign) will just expand outside of US. I would rather have future Googles to be launched in the US, rather than in Russia or Sweden. They will employ thousands of US citizens too, if they are allowed in the US.
It is un-American to drive these companies out of the US. It is socialism. It has never worked.
Having, say, Yahoo and Google in the US (created partly by those evil foreigners) is much better for the US than having them elsewhere.
“I’m aware how it was before, but this sounds pretty much how it is now.”
Actually most H-1B visas are pretty much rubber stamped.
“These big corporations would have been toast in the US without H1 program (including Google, MS). The net benefit of having MS and Google in the US is enormous.”
MS and Google are infamous for using body shops to supply a large part of their staffing (in the process firing Americans). During this recent downturn in employment,MS has been letting US IT personnel go and moving more work off shore.
“Most of the H1 holders I know will eventually return to their home country, and they certainly will not be welfare-recipients.”
This may be true of most H-1B visa holders you know, but it is not necessarily true of all H-1B visa holders.
“This program is crucial for US economy.”
Unfortunately this is not true. TO quote post #24, this is globalist claptrap. We got along fine bringing in only the ‘brightest and the best’ using the old H visa.
IF you want to inform yourself of the other side of the coin, read some of the following articles rather than dismissing them out of hand.
[FYI Dr. Norm Matloff, professor of mathematics, statistics, and computer science; Paul Craig Roberts, Assistant Secretary of the Treasury during President Reagan’s first term, Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal, etc.; et. al. have presented information based upon US government statistics in a much better manner than I]
The numbers of H-1B’s has no relation to job growth:
www.cis.org/articles/2008/back708.pdf
H-1B’s are not necessarily the brightest and the best:
www.cis.org/articles/2008/back508.pdf
Using H-1B’s is a form of rampant age discrimination, 35+ is considered too old to hire:
http://www.cs.ucdavis.edu/~matloff/itaa.html
We graduate more engineering and it professionals than we have jobs for.
http://www.businessweek.com/print/smallbiz/content/oct2007/sb20071025_827398.htmb
H-1B visas are used to harm American workers:
http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=iic_immigrationissuecenters13e8
The relationship of massive importation of guest workers to the economic meltdown:
http://www.vdare.com/roberts/090223_economy.htm
Thanks for the post. The assertion that in a country of 300 million & with our history has to go to Bangalore or the UK for talent is hard to stomach.
Look, if you can sleep well at night knowing you are in the business of selling out your fellow country for pennies on the dollar, because you just “can’t find” the perfect US born candidate from a country of 300 million, then you have no soul. Please don’t respond.
“The assertion that in a country of 300 million & with our history has to go to Bangalore or the UK for talent is hard to stomach.”
Yup, ain’t globalism just grand. I find it amazing that seeming rational people buy what was referred to above as ‘globalist claptrap’.
Thanks, LOVE the cartoon.
“These big corporations would have been toast in the US without H1 program (including Google, MS).”
Nonsense. They would have had higher labor costs, period. There was never any “shortage” of workers, there was a shortage of workers willing to work for the low wages they were willing to pay.
Pay, and Americans will come. ;-)
The result of all the outsourcing and H1-B visa programs has been a precipitous drop in American CS and other technical enrollment. Also bear in mind that the H1-B program is training people to start companies and compete with America from their homeland - another very poor feature of the program.
Paging heiss...heiss...please pickup the white courtesy phone...
Cognizant agrees to pay back-wages to H-1B visa employees in US
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