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To: higgmeister
The most pitiful myth is that the Union protects workers from the company.

It's pretty hard to convince someone an idea is a "myth" when they've seen it with their own eyes.

That make the rest of your post nothing but a screed.

24 posted on 03/22/2009 4:08:37 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: papertyger
Honest question. Do you have stats, within the last 10 years, that prove that Union shops are safer than non union shops?

The reason I ask is that my husband is a safety director at the non union plant that he works at, and he does safety checks (watching employees with a checklist) to determine that the safety precautions are both in place, and being utilized.

One of the most expensive components of any factories budget is Workmans Comp insurance, and claims. In order to minimize those costs the big nasty corporations MUST maintain their safety standards.

My dad was the union president at his plant for years, and they had the same exact W/C claims as my husbands plant does!

38 posted on 03/23/2009 7:06:10 AM PDT by codercpc
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To: papertyger
The most pitiful myth is that the Union protects workers from the company. It's pretty hard to convince someone an idea is a "myth" when they've seen it with their own eyes.

That make the rest of your post nothing but a screed.

I'm sorry I didn't respond to you after you disparaging comment.

I would like to give you my first hand knowledge of Trade Unionism. Back in the mid Seventies when your favorite liberal President Jimmy Carter was attempting to destroy our nation, I worked for a very small manufacturing company in rural Georgia that had recently been purchased by a very large corporation. The buyout apparently drew the Union organizers like flies.

The first secret meeting was called at a common location, I believe it was a local Union hall. The man in charge was a New Jersey thug that makes Tony Saprano seem like Poppin' Fresh - "The Pillsbury Doughboy!" His face could have stopped the Saturn V in mid-boost. I would not be surprised that he had first hand knowledge of Jimmy Hoffa's resting place. He asked me some really pointed questions in front of my coworkers just to watch me squirm. In retrospect, I'm sure he had me pegged as the Company snitch! Of course he was right, and I told the president of the company who the ringleaders were the next day.

The sad and ugly truth was that all of the line bosses were in favor of the Union and it was clearly pointless for the company to do anything to fight it. I was very disappointed in my gullible dear friends and neighbors that were lead down the garden path by this subhuman trog. I soon enlisted in the Air Force while most of my coworkers waited for their pink slips. When the Union announced the craft functions and grades my job was only a step above menial labor, assuredly calculated as retribution for my lack of support. I left under the delayed enlistment program as the assembly lines began to shutdown. The company did not have the financial resources to pay for Union wages and benifits so soon after a corporate buyout. The plant closed a year or two later and never made it back to one-fifth of the production rate that it consistently reached before the Union ran it out of business.

The next first hand knowledge that I have was the experience of my sister-in-law's husband. He was a loyal Union man and the son of a loyal Union man that had worked up through the ranks into management and retired comfortably. When the strike talk began he was right there at the Union Hall every night to support his brother's fraternal cause. When word went around that one of the craft-members was thinking of crossing the line, he and some buddies went to make it clear the man should consider his actions carefully. They sent a rifle shot through the man's living room window. Of course they were caught, the Union settled on a new contract without going out at all. The Company demanded the Union provide a scapegoat for its actions and my s-i-l's husband faced a felony conviction and no job. Even though their loyal Union man did the Union's dirty work he was hung out to dry.

So much for Unions protecting workers from the company! While these are anecdotal observations, I have been listening to simular stories for the past forty plus years of the ways Unions harm our society. It is the cruelest vile evil joke that a Union cares for anything more than the Union. The craftsman be damned and the devil take the hindmost! To me it is like a boy that has been beaten by his stepfather. The courts come in and rescue the boy. He is then placed in a foster home where the couple treats foster-care like a business, where they have ten kids at a hundred dollars a head and they still beat the kids even if they try to complain about it. It might have been a good idea at one time until the law of unintended consequences reared it's ugly head.

I'll take my chances with the company, all criminal Unions should be PATCO'ed simply for the fact that they exist! (delivered in my best Charlton Heston on the beach voice) DT - DTOTH!

96 posted on 03/30/2009 9:19:58 AM PDT by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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