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Are Congress and Obama Deliberately Inciting a New US Civil War?
Canadian Free Press ^ | March 20, 2009 | Sher Zieve

Posted on 03/20/2009 2:19:14 PM PDT by LoneStarC

With the events that have transpired over the last 58 days—since Obama and his adherents commandeered the US presidency—fear is now becoming the order of each and every day for many of We-the-People. ....... ....has led me to believe that both Congress and Obama are in the process of purposefully creating conditions that will lead to a revolution by We-the-People so that it and Obama can affect Martial Law and once and for all forcibly suppress the American people

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To: Repeal 16-17

The US Army fired on the “bonus marchers” in 1932. Future President Dwight Eisenhower argued with his commanding officer, General Douglas MacArthur, not to attack these unarmed war heroes, but MacArthur refused and ordered the tanks and machine guns to attack, torching what little possessions they had left. The day’s toll was three dead, 54 injured, 135 arrests, and over 1,000 men, women and children gassed.


51 posted on 03/20/2009 3:10:51 PM PDT by DFG
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To: LoneStarC
The stamp act, tea tax and attempt to disarm Bostonians pales into insignificance compared the rape of the treasury and threats to freedom we are staring in the face!

. . . which pale in comparison to B.O.'s passion for doing what he can to increase the deaths' of unborn babies in the U.S. and world.

52 posted on 03/20/2009 3:12:32 PM PDT by Faith
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To: Faith

Bump for later.


53 posted on 03/20/2009 3:14:45 PM PDT by Pantera
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To: LoneStarC

If you want to see where Obama is coming from, read Alinskys book.


54 posted on 03/20/2009 3:15:28 PM PDT by RC2 (http://www.youtube.com/user/Funbobbasso)
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To: LoneStarC

Yes but he is a populist and is taking from those with and giving to those without. I worked for my money not these lackey lawn jockeys he’s giving MY money to.
And he is what 52 percent of the populace voted for.
A mandate if ya ask the magic negro.


55 posted on 03/20/2009 3:15:54 PM PDT by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: LoneStarC

Yeah...so they don’t come to trial...


56 posted on 03/20/2009 3:21:32 PM PDT by mo
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To: Repeal 16-17

Ok You tell me.. who fought in the civil war? I am not implying anyone is mindless. Your defensiveness is counterproductive to conversation. Who defines “foreign and domestic” enemies during a conflict or even before a conflict begins? Who commands the US Military?


57 posted on 03/20/2009 3:22:21 PM PDT by momincombatboots (The last experience of the sinner is the horrible enslavement of the freedom he desired. -C.S. Lewis)
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To: Jaded
elected official stating that AIG people should be strung up with piano wire?

Where do you get that it was an elected official?....

58 posted on 03/20/2009 3:23:14 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (What happened to my IRAs)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Wasn’t it one of those anonymous e-mail comments?


59 posted on 03/20/2009 3:25:59 PM PDT by Califreak (111th Congress: Destroying America With Reckless Abandon)
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To: datura
My Fellow Freepers: Let's stop talking treason and realize that the only way to get the government we want, and which we believe will exist within the clear bounds of our beloved Constitution, is to vote it into power. Realize that Obama was elected within the framework of law (even though I still want to see his actual birth cert., not some registration of a live birth); nonetheless he was voted in. Likewise, we must vote in our man or woman. The next 3.83 years are giving us the opportunity to re-secure our government by carefully and wisely doing 2 things: 1) encouraging our limited-government public servants (even if they are just local town officials) to run for higher office; for too long our political representatives have been career hacks that sell us out to the highest-bidding lobyist. I would sooner vote for a local common sense Constitutionalist for governor than the incumbent. And 2) start talking to people we know about the fundamental freedoms (Bill of Rights) and the need for fiscal responsibility. Lots of people are starting to realize that O is spending lots too much money — and they are getting worried. They are ripe to be reintroduced to the Bill of Rights as our founders intended it; we are fools if we don't reintroduce them. Talk to everybody about what the Constitution and BOR is about. Let's save our guns, ammo, and talk of treason for when they try to abolish the 2ND amendment.
60 posted on 03/20/2009 3:26:18 PM PDT by majormaturity
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To: majormaturity
Let's save our guns, ammo, and talk of treason for when they try to abolish the 2ND amendment.

It is not treasonous to discuss the dividing up of the USA. It is real possibility and NEEDS to be discussed. It is wise and prudent to do so. It happened once, it could happen again. Last time there were two major issues, states rights and slavery. Now the two sides disagree about everything. There is really very little holding things together IMHO. The real question is can a POSSIBLE division be done in a humane and peaceful way. Discussing that is better than shooting at each other, don't you think?

61 posted on 03/20/2009 3:34:41 PM PDT by central_va (Co. C, 15th Va., Patrick Henry Rifles-The boys of Hanover Co.)
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To: momincombatboots
Ok You tell me.. who fought in the civil war?

Are you telling me that today's voluntary members of the USAF are, mentally speaking, no different than the draftees in the 1860s? Who defines “foreign and domestic” enemies during a conflict or even before a conflict begins? Who commands the US Military?

The federal government. Does that mean the federal government can never be one of the "enemies" against whom the USAF is to protect us?

62 posted on 03/20/2009 3:35:31 PM PDT by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: Little Ray
First rule of COMPETENT tyranny is make sure your military is better fed and cared for than the populace.

These guys have got all sorts of Grand and Glorious Plans, but I don't think they've really thought everything all the way through.

63 posted on 03/20/2009 3:35:33 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: LoneStarC
Are Congress and Obama Deliberately Inciting a New US Civil War?

Does a bear take an Obama in the woods?
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64 posted on 03/20/2009 3:36:27 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself.)
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To: LoneStarC

Locked and Loaded.Bring it on Dumbo.


65 posted on 03/20/2009 3:38:56 PM PDT by bikerman (Obama lied;the Country died.)
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To: majormaturity

You are being overly optimistic.
Your fellow citizens accept socialism.
They out number you.
What now?


66 posted on 03/20/2009 3:41:55 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th
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To: Repeal 16-17

LOL, You honestly think someone or some group of military are gonna declare the government their enemy? The same gov’t that feeds their families and provides ammunition for them? So who would assume that role in your scenario? I still vote for surround them and turn on the vise grip of voter power.


67 posted on 03/20/2009 3:44:18 PM PDT by momincombatboots (The last experience of the sinner is the horrible enslavement of the freedom he desired. -C.S. Lewis)
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To: Eaker; AK2KX; Ancesthntr; ApesForEvolution; archy; backhoe; Badray; t_skoz; Becki; Jack Black; ...

CWII PING! Three in one day.


68 posted on 03/20/2009 3:46:18 PM PDT by Jack Black
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To: LoneStarC
I think there might be another possibility as to "why" they are doing this. Remember, this government is financially broke and reduced to borrowing TRILLIONS to remain afloat as it is. States themselves are broke and in a bind when it comes to meeting their obligations. This "stimulus" plan was a short reprieve to those liberal hell-holes unable to remain solvent on their own. It bought them and the scumbags running them a little time before they have to face their constituents with the truth. The limit is running out on how far This "can" of accountability can be kicked down the road. Time is running out. Something MUST be done to avert the disaster looming for those responsible if the public is faced with the truth that liberalism has ruined their lives and futures.

Over the past fifty years, liberals have made promises to take care of everyone who supported them. They’ve promised social security, medicare, and prescription drugs to the baby boomers. They promised exorbitant retirement packages to the teachers, the federal workers, and to the high ranking military. They promised cradle to the grave subsistence to the poverty stricken with welfare, food stamps, housing assistance, etc. etc. etc.

These “promises” total over 57 TRILLION dollars. The baby boomers are almost ready to start retiring in massive numbers. They want their goodies. The federal workforce, along with the teachers and police are starting to retire in large numbers as they’ve put in their time as well. They want their goodies. Same for the military, etc. etc. The poverty folks are falling further behind and they will be making their continued demands.

If you are the United States government and are FLAT BROKE, how do you handle this situation? You can’t pay your bills. You can’t let the ones you’ve promised so much to find out it was all just a scam, at least if you are a current office holder. There is ONLY ONE SOLUTION. You anger the masses to the point of breaking up the country into separate political entities. Doing this means your day of reckoning NEVER arrives. You don’t ever have to show your hand. You simply allow history to change the landscape politically as you melt back into whichever society emerges. That 57 trillion dollar turd NEVER hits the fan. Knowing the end is near so to speak, steal as much “future” wealth as you can and take care of your buddies on Wall Street before you leave office (Bush), and take care of your buddies as you (Obama) wreck the nation into the disarray that will bring about this “change” everyone thought they were voting for.

69 posted on 03/20/2009 3:49:00 PM PDT by Uncle Sham
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To: majormaturity
I'm not slamming you, scout's honor.

But what you wrote strikes me as similar to what the still-rational Germans must've been thinking/hoping in, say, '35 or '36 ?

70 posted on 03/20/2009 3:50:09 PM PDT by tomkat (lexington, concord, flyover)
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To: fr_freak
"The only scenario where I see these commie idiots doing this purposely is one where a foreign power, such as Russia, is already lined up to invade once our civil war kicks off. Without that, the leftists in this country wouldn't have a prayer of winning an actual armed conflict."

That's not too far from the plot of my 3rd novel.


71 posted on 03/20/2009 3:51:12 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: momincombatboots

“...It would be a slaughter of patriots versus the very well oiled US Military...”

As a Navy veteran, I cannot see anytime soon where our sons, brothers, nephews, fathers or grandsons, will turn against their families or friends and fire upon us. And I sincerely doubt whether illegal orders to disarm civilians will be carried out.

We have a military of volunteers that is, at its core, a civilian-based military. They will not fire upon their own.


72 posted on 03/20/2009 3:51:49 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO Foreign Nationals as our President!!)
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To: LoneStarC

Call me paranoid but I’ve wondered the same thing. The problem with martial law is that it relies on the military, and at the end of the day, the military is made up of We the People too. I don’t know that Obamateur could count on them to take up arms against their own countrymen.


73 posted on 03/20/2009 3:55:12 PM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

>their kids born here are American citizens.

“subject to the jurisdiction thereof”


74 posted on 03/20/2009 3:56:47 PM PDT by ROTB (It is easy being "pro-choice" when you're not the one getting killed.)
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To: Califreak; Jaded
The AIG exec read that in his statement at the House hearings when Barney Frank asked for the names of those that had received the bonuses...I did see that....

And Sen Grassley made the Statement about the Japanese...etc...

75 posted on 03/20/2009 4:01:29 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (What happened to my IRAs)
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To: Repeal 16-17

Reminder: It has been done before. They would simply declare the patriots “combatants” or “insurrectionists” and force the USAF and every other service member to choose. When I took the oath it was “enemies, both foreign and domestic”. Simply declaring patriots domestic enemies would allow the US military to “fire at will”. Remember Waco? If the government declares a group as domestic enemies, swat teams will shoot first and ask questions later.

How does the federal government “force” the USAF to fire on fellow Americans? As for your “oath”, is it ever possible for members of the federal government to be the “enemies” against whom the USAF is to protect the People? I’m sure this is not your intention, but your comment above gives the impression that the USAF consists of mindless drones. I hope our American soldiers and sailors are able to identify this countries domestic enemies.

****************************

I also think they can spot the true enemy, but not if ...

1) they are rushed into a decision
2) they think everyone else will pick evil, and they will choose evil so they can “live”


76 posted on 03/20/2009 4:01:57 PM PDT by ROTB (It is easy being "pro-choice" when you're not the one getting killed.)
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To: Little Ray

Oh, I would imagine Obama’s brownshirts will be better fed and cared for than the populace. - I don’t know what they’re doing really, and what’s more I wonder if THEY know what they’re doing.


77 posted on 03/20/2009 4:03:32 PM PDT by Twinkie (Obama is NOT Reagan !)
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To: LoneStarC

I don’t believe it will be a civil war. Instead I believe it will more like American Revolution 2 against King FUBO


78 posted on 03/20/2009 4:07:10 PM PDT by clamper1797 (Zero parcus dies Nero Totus hail FUBO)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I remembered Grassley’s comment too.

Both remarks were extreme.


79 posted on 03/20/2009 4:07:46 PM PDT by Califreak (111th Congress: Destroying America With Reckless Abandon)
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To: clamper1797

I posted too quickly the first time.

I believe they are deliberately provoking us into action so they can institute martial law.

But civil war might not be entirely out of the question either.

It would be US against the koolaid drinkers.


80 posted on 03/20/2009 4:10:14 PM PDT by Califreak (111th Congress: Destroying America With Reckless Abandon)
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To: Iron Munro
Does a bear take an Obama in the woods?

ROFLOL!!!!!

81 posted on 03/20/2009 4:12:14 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: LoneStarC

The situation is obviously not good, but take heart, I believe that God holds America close to His heart, and will protect you from ultimate harm. Obama will be revealed for what he really is, and so will those around him. A partial reversal will come with the 2010 elections. After that, it will be a tough struggle but if the conservative movement stays together and backs one party and one candidate, Obama and much of this nightmare will be gone in 2012.

And if that doesn’t work, perhaps it will be time for Jesus to return. Whatever it takes, God will protect America. But punishment may fall on some, those who have turned away from His word, on such as those, vast punishment may fall.

These are momentous times. Don’t lose your nerve, fight to the end.


82 posted on 03/20/2009 4:15:48 PM PDT by Peter ODonnell
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To: majormaturity
My Fellow Freepers: Let's stop talking treason and realize that the only way to get the government we want, and which we believe will exist within the clear bounds of our beloved Constitution, is to vote it into power.

First, you are wrong about voting being the only way. It may be the best way. It may be the least destructive way, but it is not the only way. The Founders of this country fully recognized the need for other ways, and provided for it.

Second, your optimism about the voting booth still being a viable option is, perhaps, a bit naive. The leftists have spent the last 40-50 years or more indoctrinating Americans through the school system, the entertainment industry, and the news media to reject core American principles and accept left-wing socialist principles instead. They have also fomented racial hatred in this country so that many of the non-white races now blame whitey for everything, and associate core American values with the evil white man, which they will never support. Additionally, the Left has been flooding the USA with millions of foreign nationals who have no allegiance to this country, and often an active hatred. None of these affected groups will vote in any meaningful numbers for anything remotely resembling American conservative values.

Third, and perhaps most important, fanatical adherence to the principles of our Constitution is not treason. Support of those in government who subvert and destroy our Constitutional principles would be treason. Fighting for the Constitution would be patriotism, so you have your analysis exactly backwards. The military oath of loyalty is to the Constitution, NOT to the party in power and NOT to any politician. Fighting against those who subvert and destroy the Constitution in the US would be fulfillment of the oath, not a violation of it.
83 posted on 03/20/2009 4:25:00 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: little jeremiah

Yep. How can it not be. Maybe I should start a graph of “CWII PINGS” showing it going from 1 or 2 a week under Bush to 3 or 4 a day, rising to 30 or 50 a day before the net is shut down by The Messiah.


84 posted on 03/20/2009 4:26:47 PM PDT by Jack Black
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To: Jack Black; Travis McGee

Between you and Travis, I count 6.


85 posted on 03/20/2009 4:31:46 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: momincombatboots

When I took the oath it was to defend the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. That was almost 30 years ago so it may have changed.

According to my oath, that I took before God, the current administration are usurpers of the constitution and therefore domestic enemies. I can bet that many in the armed forces see it the same way.


86 posted on 03/20/2009 4:35:12 PM PDT by PJammers (I can't help it... It's my idiom!)
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To: clamper1797

More likely to turn out like the French Revolution.


87 posted on 03/20/2009 4:36:19 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Jack Black
Maybe I should start a graph of “CWII PINGS” showing it going from 1 or 2 a week under Bush to 3 or 4 a day, rising to 30 or 50 a day before the net is shut down by The Messiah.

They used to be "Food for Thought".

Now they're Incitement to Prilosec and Adult Beverages.

And the reloading bench.

88 posted on 03/20/2009 4:39:32 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Repeal 16-17

excuse me, but I think that oath was taken to the constitution, not to a president.


89 posted on 03/20/2009 4:42:08 PM PDT by wombtotomb (I would rather die on my feet as a free man, than live on my knees as a slave)
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To: Repeal 16-17

Depends on the leadership.


90 posted on 03/20/2009 4:43:10 PM PDT by alarm rider ("We laugh at honor, and are shocked to find traitors in our midst" C.S. Lewis)
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To: momincombatboots

I disagree; the oath was to defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. By his violation of the Constitution several times a day at this point Obama has made himself the enemy. The military personnel know this and would not follow his illegal orders. This, my friends is why he wants a “Domestic Security Force” as strong and well funded as the military. This is what should be scaring the hell out of all of us. His civilian force would not hesitate to fire at will.


91 posted on 03/20/2009 4:53:25 PM PDT by Idaho_Independent (The 3 boxes of freedom, Soap Box, Ballet Box, and the Ammo Box.)
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To: Idaho_Independent

I agree with your points about the “domestic security force”. I haven’t studied Hitler, was this his MO?


92 posted on 03/20/2009 5:03:54 PM PDT by momincombatboots (The last experience of the sinner is the horrible enslavement of the freedom he desired. -C.S. Lewis)
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To: DuncanWaring
More likely to turn out like the French Revolution.

That's what I told my mom on the phone this morning

93 posted on 03/20/2009 5:30:06 PM PDT by clamper1797 (Zero parcus dies Nero Totus hail FUBO)
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To: LoneStarC

IMHO..yes..they need to take the focus off what is happening financially...


94 posted on 03/20/2009 5:32:15 PM PDT by mo
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To: Jaded; Ernest_at_the_Beach
Does not anyone have a problem with an elected official stating that AIG people should be strung up with piano wire?

He (Grassley I think) was quoting a letter from a constituent. Grassley himself called for the AIG bigshots to commit ritual suicide Japanese style, which is perhaps a slightly lower level of hatred but certainly does not invalidate your point.

95 posted on 03/20/2009 5:32:18 PM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten per cent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: LoneStarC

They certainly are provoking the American People. I don’t think they KNOW what kind of wrath We-The-People are capable of. Either that, or they think they’ve got all that figured out and all the authority and firepower they need to quell any “dust-ups” a few of us “Militia” members and “domestic terrorists.”

I’m still wondering — does anyone here really think our military as a whole would actually fire on or take action against large numbers of American citizens?


96 posted on 03/20/2009 5:43:32 PM PDT by patriot preacher (To be a good American Citizen and a Christian IS NOT a contradiction. (www.mygration.blogspot.com))
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To: momincombatboots

Ever heard of “Brownshirts”?

That was them.


97 posted on 03/20/2009 5:56:26 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: majormaturity

We don’t have tht kind of time. By giving in to Iran, letting Russia use central American airfields, turning our back on Israel, and selling the nation to China, Zero is in fact being teasonous.

Wait all you want.


98 posted on 03/20/2009 5:58:33 PM PDT by datura ("Against all enemies, both foreign and domestic")
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To: clamper1797

What the heck ya doin’ talkin’ to your mom about this kind of thing?

It’s not nice to be scarin’ the old ladies!


99 posted on 03/20/2009 6:00:09 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Uncle Sham

Chilling - but on the mark.


100 posted on 03/20/2009 6:02:50 PM PDT by investigateworld ( Thank you Heavenly Host for Smoot - Hawley ( from the Son of a D-Day Infantryman ))
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