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(from 2007) Republican Governors Who Wilt (Globalwarming Hoax)
spectator.org ^ | July 23, 2007 | Paul Chesser

Posted on 03/21/2009 1:06:51 PM PDT by BarnacleCenturion

Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty and South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford have largely conservative support (a few say they are moderates). Regardless, why have both signed deals with an environmental advocacy group to administer their respective states' programs to confront global warming?
 
The two Republican executives have followed the example of more liberal governors by inviting the nonprofit Center for Climate Strategies to advise their climate change action groups. The states' respective panels consist of dozens of "stakeholders" who will consider greenhouse gas-reducing measures. The groups will approve most of those action items, then pass them on to state lawmakers while environmentalists' hope that the recommendations turn into laws.
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Meanwhile Sanford said he has been personally touched by global warming, as he explained in his executive order:
For the last twenty years of my life, I have seen the ever-so-gradual effects of rising ocean levels at our farm in Beaufort County. In some cases, it's been watching pine trees die in that fragile zone between uplands and salt marsh; in other cases it's meant finding roots in areas that would never grow a tree, given the current salt water levels. While I understand very clearly the debate on whether or not these events come as a result of man's activity -- or just the effects of nature taking its course - I've had other personal experiences that strongly suggest to me that man is having an impact on the environment. The last time I was in Beijing on a trade trip, we happened to be there on a bad smog day. When I went outside I could see no more than a quarter of a mile and my eyes watered.

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1 posted on 03/21/2009 1:06:51 PM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: upchuck; Clintonfatigued; Impy; fieldmarshaldj

So many Sanford hit pieces, so little time.


2 posted on 03/21/2009 1:08:10 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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To: rabscuttle385

Quoting from the article..

In general conservatives earn their stripes by being able to set aside the experiential and anecdotal, and instead make decisions based on actual data and evidence. Pawlenty and Sanford have bought the “human cause is incontrovertible” side of the global warming debate despite legitimate scientific challenges to the prevailing wisdom.

Fine. But is it too much to ask that the chosen solution-provider prove that his plans will actually do anything about the alleged problem?


3 posted on 03/21/2009 1:10:41 PM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: BarnacleCenturion
Tim Pawlenty is about as conservative as Richard Simmons' fashion sense.

As for global warming extremist Mark Sanford, I still don't know why Sanford wants a socialist President to succeed. Would Reagan have wanted a socialist President to succeed? I don't know what conservative wants a socialist President to succeed. Don't make a lot of sense.

4 posted on 03/21/2009 1:11:29 PM PDT by exist
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To: steelyourfaith

Ping!


5 posted on 03/21/2009 1:13:20 PM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: BarnacleCenturion

They are in good company, with McStain, Romeny, Huckabee, Rudy, Arnold, Fred, etc etc...


6 posted on 03/21/2009 1:14:32 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: pissant

That list is not 100% accurate.


7 posted on 03/21/2009 1:17:22 PM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: BarnacleCenturion

SMOG does not equal ANTHROPOMORPHIC GLOBAL WARMING.

That is an entirely disingenuous argument.

Smog is SMOG. To argue “global warming is true becauase of smog”

Gets you SQUARE on my ‘tard list.


8 posted on 03/21/2009 1:19:13 PM PDT by chuck_the_tv_out
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To: BarnacleCenturion

True. It needs about 50 more prominent GOP names added.


9 posted on 03/21/2009 1:19:27 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: pissant

Yes. And 1, maybe 2 subtracted.


10 posted on 03/21/2009 1:21:17 PM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: BarnacleCenturion

No. All are global warming alarminsts


11 posted on 03/21/2009 1:22:46 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: pissant

Pissant,

Care to back that up about Fred with some links?


12 posted on 03/21/2009 1:28:19 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (GOP: If you reward bad behavior all you get is more bad behavior.)
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To: rabscuttle385; upchuck; Clintonfatigued; Impy; fieldmarshaldj
So many Sanford hit pieces, so little time.

That's pretty hypocritical coming from you rabscuttle385, and I say that as a supporter of your efforts to shed light on McCain and other RINOs.

If there is something not factual about the articles being posted about Sanford, then point it out, but leave the hyperbole to others, it is far beneath you.
13 posted on 03/21/2009 1:32:23 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (GOP: If you reward bad behavior all you get is more bad behavior.)
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To: SoConPubbie; pissant

“Care to back that up about Fred with some links?”

Not possible. Fred copy/pasted “Romeny’s” platform on this issue.


14 posted on 03/21/2009 1:32:40 PM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: BarnacleCenturion; TenthAmendmentChampion; Horusra; Delacon; CygnusXI; Entrepreneur; ...
Thanx !

 




Beam me to Planet Gore !

15 posted on 03/21/2009 1:36:45 PM PDT by steelyourfaith ("Most bad government results from too much government." - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: SoConPubbie; Clintonfatigued; Impy; fieldmarshaldj
That's pretty hypocritical coming from you rabscuttle385, and I say that as a supporter of your efforts to shed light on McCain and other RINOs.

Maybe it is. Or maybe I forgot a /sarc tag.

Or maybe, just maybe, at this point, all the indiscretions are oozing out from under the doors of even the most conservative Republican politicians, including Sanford and even Paul.

Wait, that's the key word right there: politician.

16 posted on 03/21/2009 1:37:25 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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To: SoConPubbie; rabscuttle385

Right on. McCain is not the only one who has great respect for Al Gore.


17 posted on 03/21/2009 1:38:34 PM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: SoConPubbie

He cosponsored the largest (to date) global warming boondoggle legislation nightmare.

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1924826/posts?page=138#138


18 posted on 03/21/2009 1:40:21 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: pissant

Thanks, that is what I was looking for.


19 posted on 03/21/2009 1:42:13 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (GOP: If you reward bad behavior all you get is more bad behavior.)
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To: pissant

Ok, I was wrong about Fred. Only one name to subtract then.


20 posted on 03/21/2009 1:43:09 PM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: rabscuttle385
Or maybe, just maybe, at this point, all the indiscretions are oozing out from under the doors of even the most conservative Republican politicians, including Sanford and even Paul. Wait, that's the key word right there: politician.

Maybe, but what I want for 2012 is a conservative Leader, not a politician.

The point about this issue, is that it takes strength of character to be on the right side of the Global Warming Scam.

There is enough information out there to know that there is no such thing as Man-made global warming.

A Leader will and is able to communicate why it is wrong and why he/she will not support it.
21 posted on 03/21/2009 1:53:09 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (GOP: If you reward bad behavior all you get is more bad behavior.)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Some are trying to get you off message.

The same ones who dish it out but can’t take it.


22 posted on 03/21/2009 2:00:40 PM PDT by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

23 posted on 03/21/2009 2:02:38 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: SoConPubbie
There is enough information out there to know that there is no such thing as Man-made global warming.

You can't say that with complete certainty.

To blithely suggest that human activities have zero impact on the surrounding environment is just as idiotic as saying that their impact dwarfs that of natural physical processes. I can be certain that humanity does have an impact on its surrounding environment, however, I believe that humanity, on the whole, has a super-sized ego and a penchant for arrogance...that's been around for a long time, in its attempts and desire to control the weather.

The bottom line here is that yes, human activities do influence the environment, but no, I don't think humans are sufficiently sophisticated to accidentally terraform an entire planet in just over two centuries. Now, if Sanford is arguing that the Government ought to protect the common, shared environment, just as New England towns once maintained their village greens as public property, by promoting such ideals as energy efficiency and conservation in the actions of Government with respect to public property, then yes, I wholeheartedly agree with him. The Government has a duty and obligation to the citizenry to not act in a wasteful manner. However, if he is promoting energy rationing and Government interference in the lives of individuals, e.g., through carbon cap-and-trade, then no, I won't support him.

24 posted on 03/21/2009 2:06:42 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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To: fieldmarshaldj; Clintonfatigued; Impy

#24


25 posted on 03/21/2009 2:10:20 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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To: rabscuttle385

I was making an argument in private on his behalf yesterday. I’m getting a might bit sick at people now establishing standards for which are so high not even Christ Himself could measure up. The attacks on Palin, and now the stepped-up attacks on Sanford. Guess who we’re going to have left with ? Sanford is one of our best Governors in the country, and I’m not going to jump on this bash bandwagon. I don’t believe virtually any story that comes out of the MSM and even some allegedly “Conservative” outfits when the headline is Palin or Sanford. All they have to do is make a claim about this or that, and far too many of us will denounce them as a Socialist or idiot or whatever. We talk about the rodents being gullible, but a lot of us can wear those shoes just as well.


26 posted on 03/21/2009 2:15:27 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: SoCalPol; fieldmarshaldj
"The same ones who dish it out but can’t take it."
 
Cue in fieldmarshaldj.. .
 
After all, Global Warming exits and the evidence is finally here:
 
"When I went outside I could see no more than a quarter of a mile and my eyes watered." -Mark Sanford

27 posted on 03/21/2009 2:15:37 PM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: BarnacleCenturion; fieldmarshaldj
"When I went outside I could see no more than a quarter of a mile and my eyes watered."

Believing that all human activities have zero impact on the environment is a sign that you should stop sniffing what comes out of your car's tail pipe.

Human activities do impact the environment. Case in point: litter. However, humans have not, I repeat, not, terraformed this planet in the way that idiots like Al Gore would have us believe.

28 posted on 03/21/2009 2:24:21 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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To: BarnacleCenturion
Another hit piece on the best governor in the entire country.

So Mark Sanford is a so called RINO based on a comment about his state and one stupid comment about Obama. Wow. Never mind his 12 years of fiscal responsibility consistency, his votes and advocacy for less government, and his correct stances on life and 2nd Amendment issues.

How Pathetic.

29 posted on 03/21/2009 2:29:08 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (Buckley, Brooks, Parker - You supported Obama, so shut up and take your screwing)
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To: BarnacleCenturion
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30 posted on 03/21/2009 2:38:21 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney (guns)"instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people")
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To: BarnacleCenturion; Allegra; CanadianMusherinMI; Clemenza; Diogenesis; ejonesie22; ...

BarnacleCenturion

Hey, bub, you have ZERO credibility here. Nada. Zip.

You are a Slick Willardbot agent.

And I hope everyone reads your posts as a Socialist apologist for one of the worst Governors in American history, they are quite telling.

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/by:barnaclecenturion/index?tab=comments;brevity=full;options=no-change


31 posted on 03/21/2009 2:39:02 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: Darren McCarty

Post #31. Take a gander at this troll’s postings going back to 2007. We know who Barnicle works for.


32 posted on 03/21/2009 2:39:56 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: rabscuttle385
Do you honestly believe that the creation of this new bureacracy is necessary? They are already talking about unilateraly reducing carbon emissions in SC.
 

Climate, Energy and Commerce AdvisoryRight Committee

The CECAC was tasked with considering, evaluating, and compiling a multi-sector set of recommended policy options and presenting them to the Governor. Appointed by the Governor, the CECAC comprises a diverse group of stakeholders bringing broad perspective and expertise to the topic of climate change in South Carolina.

http://www.scclimatechange.us/plenarygroup.cfm


33 posted on 03/21/2009 2:42:59 PM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: fieldmarshaldj; Darren McCarty; BarnacleCenturion
We know who Barnicle works for.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2198581/posts?page=17#17

34 posted on 03/21/2009 2:48:43 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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To: Darren McCarty

“So Mark Sanford is a so called RINO..”

You said it, not me. You can look elsewhere on this thread for the ones resorting to namecalling and posting unfounded accusations. A sure sign of defeat.


35 posted on 03/21/2009 2:52:06 PM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: rabscuttle385
So many Sanford hit pieces, so little time.

It looks like somebody's gunning for Romney's most formidable opposition in 2012.

But let's ask ourselves, do we want to get stuck with a RINO like Romney in 2012? Doing that kind of junk is what got us where we're at today. No thanks on the rerun.

36 posted on 03/21/2009 2:57:16 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (True nobility is exempt from fear - Marcus Tullius Cicero)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
Romney. Which Romney? 1994, 2002, or 2008?

None of the 2008 frontrunners were worth a crap as far as I'm concerned. Palin was alright (great compared with the others who were running), and propped up a bit here because of the crap she's (unfairly) had to deal with.

So far, I'd like to see Sanford, Jindal, or Barbour run. No senators.

37 posted on 03/21/2009 2:58:39 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (Buckley, Brooks, Parker - You supported Obama, so shut up and take your screwing)
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To: All

What’s amusing in all this is that nowhere in Sanford’s quoted statement does he say anything about global warming. Sanford DOES talk about the effects of pollution, etc. and makes a general statement that man is affecting his environment. That much is obvious to any person with an IQ above room temperature.

Sorry folks, but simply being concerned about the state of the environment doesn’t make someone a RINO.


38 posted on 03/21/2009 3:00:05 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (True nobility is exempt from fear - Marcus Tullius Cicero)
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To: BarnacleCenturion
What bad policies has signed as governor or voted for as a Congressman, or pushed for on a bully pulpit relating to "global warming?"
39 posted on 03/21/2009 3:01:17 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (Buckley, Brooks, Parker - You supported Obama, so shut up and take your screwing)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

RomnacleCenturion does seem to be on a payroll of some sort....


40 posted on 03/21/2009 3:03:00 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (True nobility is exempt from fear - Marcus Tullius Cicero)
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To: Darren McCarty
"None of the 2008 frontrunners were worth a crap as far as I'm concerned."

After Fred pulled out (and with apologies to Duncan Hunter, who was a good man, but he had Defense Secretary written all over him (not a bad thing, because he had a serious role he could fill)) there was nobody in the race with any credibility. I called it a Fellinesque midget sideshow. First time since I was eligible to cast a vote that I didn't vote in the GOP primary because Fred was gone. We needed giants, not liberal RINO egotists.

41 posted on 03/21/2009 3:05:13 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: fieldmarshaldj; BarnacleCenturion

GlobalWarming.org

Yes, Even Sanford

by Paul Chesser, Climate Strategies Watch

October 07, 2008 @ 2:13 pm

Paul Chesser, Climate Strategies Watch

You’ve got to wonder if there’s any room for climate sanity left in governance and politics if a man recognized as one of the most conservative governors in America has bought into global warming alarmism.

That’s what has happened with Gov. Mark Sanford in South Carolina, who last year created the Climate, Energy, and Commerce Advisory Committee to gin up some plans (extracted from the ideas of the Center for Climate Strategies) to cut down on carbon emissions in the state.

You might think that Sanford did so as a political nod to the environmentalists in his state, but his executive order (PDF) that created CECAC reflected a passionate tone:

For the last twenty years of my life, I have seen the ever-so-gradual effects of rising ocean levels at our farm in Beaufort County.

In some cases, it’s been watching pine trees die in that fragile zone between uplands and salt marsh; in other cases it’s meant finding roots in areas that would never grow a tree, given the current salt water levels.

While I understand very clearly the debate on whether or not these events come as a result of man’s activity — or just the effects of nature taking its course - I’ve had other personal experiences that strongly suggest to me that man is having an impact on the environment. The last time I was in Beijing on a trade trip, we happened to be there on a bad smog day.

When I went outside I could see no more than a quarter of a mile and my eyes watered.

Man is quite clearly having an impact in that part of the world, and while it’s been my longtime belief as a conservative that I should exercise as many rights and freedoms as possible, those rights and freedoms end when they begin to infringe upon the rights of others.

Fast-forward to a couple of weeks ago when CECAC released its final report, which included 51 policy recommendations to reduce greenhouse gases in South Carolina. Here’s what Sanford had to say:

“Some of these recommendations will make a whole lot of sense for South Carolina and others won’t. But we believe this report is an excellent place to begin the conversation and debate - and it is our sincere hope that many of these findings will be implemented in South Carolina.”

The governor’s press release added that with the CECAC process he hoped South Carolina “could begin to act on those issues on its own, before being saddled with costly future mandates from Washington, D.C.” — as if any state could avoid that burden.

As for CCS/CECAC’s assertions about its final recommendations, they claim to have done an economic analysis of 33 of its 51 proposals and found that if implemented they would cost approximately $1.6 billion by the year 2020.

This is a big change from the kinds of economic claims CCS used to make with commissions in other states, when they would boast that their ideas would produce net gains in state economies (billions of dollars) and net increases in jobs (hundreds of thousands). They don’t do that so much any more.

As for the other 18 recommendations they don’t quantify, well, I guess they don’t want to make it appear the state will be that bad off because of carbon mitigation measures.

Still, it appears that even those numbers in the Palmetto State are short in their estimations, and thank God for the South Carolina Policy Council and the Beacon Hill Institute for bringing some reality to the discussion. The upshot:

Economic analysis of the Climate, Energy and Commerce Advisory Committee (CECAC) report would cost taxpayers billions of dollars while offering a negligible environmental benefit, according to the Policy Council study performed by economists at the Beacon Hill Institute.

The Center for Climate Strategies, authors of the CECAC report, propose tax increases and heavier regulations on businesses.

Findings from the study:

-CECAC recommendations would cost South Carolina taxpayers $11.9 billion between 2008 and 2020.
-In 2009 the recommendations would cost the state 13,542 jobs.

-In 2009 private investment would drop by $204 million
-In 2009 the average South Carolina family would incur a direct cost of $1,836.

-Projected global emissions for 2025 would be reduced just 0.012 percent.

And Gov. Sanford thinks this “is an excellent place to begin the conversation and debate?”


42 posted on 03/21/2009 3:07:09 PM PDT by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Quoted statement? He created a new government bureaucracy to study the effects of global warming in SC.

The Executive Order...

http://www.scclimatechange.us/ewebeditpro/items/O60F19050.pdf

Try again.


43 posted on 03/21/2009 3:08:12 PM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: Darren McCarty; BarnacleCenturion
What bad policies has signed as governor or voted for as a Congressman, or pushed for on a bully pulpit relating to "global warming?"

An even better question is this: What is worse - Mark Sanford saying that there may be climate change going on, while not definitely attributing it to man's action, or Mitt Romney's liberal record on all kinds of stuff from guns to abortion to state-run health care?

44 posted on 03/21/2009 3:08:43 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (True nobility is exempt from fear - Marcus Tullius Cicero)
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To: Darren McCarty

See #43


45 posted on 03/21/2009 3:10:15 PM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Oh big whoop, he established a committed of 30 or less appointed officials to “assess” the extent of the threat, if any, from climate change. He even directly states that he supports market-based responses to any threat.

Try again, Romneybot.


46 posted on 03/21/2009 3:12:27 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (True nobility is exempt from fear - Marcus Tullius Cicero)
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To: SoCalPol
And Gov. Sanford thinks this “is an excellent place to begin the conversation and debate?”

"Begin the conversation and debate" probably means just that. Anything read into it further by yourself is just that - imagination on your part.

47 posted on 03/21/2009 3:14:46 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (True nobility is exempt from fear - Marcus Tullius Cicero)
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To: BarnacleCenturion
If you've been around governments, you should know that there are a zillion committees there that do nothing besides talk. All this does is study an issue.

Now I don't like this, but this is much different than carbon taxes, CAFE bills, and the like.

48 posted on 03/21/2009 3:15:45 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (Buckley, Brooks, Parker - You supported Obama, so shut up and take your screwing)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

President Obama

Let me get this straight

You want congress to implement a new tax revenue system based on CO2 called a CO2 Cap and trade program.

As a consumer, which pays for all taxes and fees for the exchange of goods and services, I will not support a new tax system, tax, hidden tax or fees based on CO2 regulations.

Starting today I am going to cut my spending by 15 percent.

I will never purchase a new automobile.
Lost of revenue to the Auto, Finance and Insurance industries.

I will not travel outside my city on vacation for next several years.
Lost of revenue to the Travel Agents, Airlines, Hotels and Vacation Destinations industries.

I will reduce my utility consumption.
Lost of revenue to the Electric, Natural Gas and City Water, Sewer industries.

I will reduce my entertainment
Lost of revenue to the Hollywood, Restaurant, Concert and Sports industries.

I’m going to ask 10 of my friends to reduce their spending by 15 percent and encourage them to ask 10 of their friends to do the same.

I’m neither a register Republic, Democrat or Independent.
I am a register VOTER and a member of the Tea Party
I will work toward unseating any politicians regardless of party affiliation who votes for any type of CO2 regulation.

Stephen Beery


49 posted on 03/21/2009 3:17:55 PM PDT by steveab (When was the last time someone tried to sell you a CO2 induced climate control system for your home?)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus; BarnacleCenturion
"RomnacleCenturion does seem to be on a payroll of some sort...." ============================================================ The republicans have a lot of great talented governors that are holding office, winning elections, and winning reelections.

One thing that all conservatives know is that their worst enemy is that Romney and his people like barnacle will be working against them like barnacle is on this thread.

This isn't a Mark Sanford thread, this is a Mitt Romney thread.

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50 posted on 03/21/2009 3:19:17 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney (guns)"instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people")
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