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4 Cops Shot, Suspect Dead After Calif. Traffic Stop
MSNBC.com ^ | March 21, 2009

Posted on 03/21/2009 7:32:26 PM PDT by Steelfish

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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68
My sister, a blond bikini model with her 17 year old niece, also a model got lost in Oakland in 2000. Needless to say I was frantically trying to talk her out looking at mapquest (I was in LA)
201 posted on 03/21/2009 9:49:45 PM PDT by MilspecRob (Most people don't act stupid, they really are.)
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To: CaptSkip

If you have ever done MOUT (Military Operations in Urbanized Terrain) training you would realize that a whole lot of stuff can go wrong entering buildings. High casualty environment even at the best of times under optimum circumstances for the assault team.


202 posted on 03/21/2009 9:50:58 PM PDT by DariusBane (Even the Rocks shall cry out "Hobamma to the Highest")
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To: ArmstedFragg

I had to go look up ADW conviction because I’m slow. ‘Assault with a deadly weapon’ for anyone else as slow as I am!


203 posted on 03/21/2009 9:50:59 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: BunnySlippers

With the new armor piercing bullets it is.


204 posted on 03/21/2009 9:51:25 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: ArmstedFragg

Houston Chronicle

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/nation/6328872.html

A man who did not want his name to appear in print and who works at a barber shop on the corner of MacArthur Boulevard and 73rd Avenue, said he heard gunshots from outside and went down the block, where he saw two officers lying on the ground near each other.

“I went over to one officer and saw he was bleeding from his helmet pretty bad,” he said. “The other officer was laying motionless.”

He said the officer lying near a car had two gunshot bullets near in his face. One bullet was lodged in his jaw and the other in his neck.


205 posted on 03/21/2009 9:52:05 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: kcvl

Oops! Sorry ‘bout that.


206 posted on 03/21/2009 9:52:17 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg ("the mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs" - Jefferson)
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To: ArmstedFragg

Isn’t Arnie letting them all out earlier now and just two weeks ago a guy that should have been getting death in California was put down to 40 years by our new Attorney General Holder.


207 posted on 03/21/2009 9:52:23 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: DieHard the Hunter

Well, good. Like I said, Ban me, I don`t need time to post. You are not who you say you are. You are afraid.


208 posted on 03/21/2009 9:52:33 PM PDT by He who knoweth not his name
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To: BunnySlippers

BunnySlippers does not have to be an armor piercing round. Kevlar helmets will stop shrapnel and dissipated energy bullets but not high powered rifle rounds at relatively close range.


209 posted on 03/21/2009 9:53:25 PM PDT by DariusBane (Even the Rocks shall cry out "Hobamma to the Highest")
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To: kcvl

I had to look it up too.


210 posted on 03/21/2009 9:54:08 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: DariusBane

Thank you. Did not know that.


211 posted on 03/21/2009 9:54:52 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

Your`e radar going off. Too old to post, how about that. I am being observed? Are you Obama?


212 posted on 03/21/2009 9:54:57 PM PDT by He who knoweth not his name
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To: Steelfish

Prayers for the friends and families of the fallen officers.


213 posted on 03/21/2009 9:55:00 PM PDT by DemforBush (Somebody wake me when sanity has returned to the nation.)
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To: Candor7

20005/12/09 Die hard hunter.


214 posted on 03/21/2009 9:56:20 PM PDT by He who knoweth not his name
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To: BunnySlippers

Okay, thanks for the source. I think I’ll put that particular report on the “don’t trust, but verify” list. Not a lot of guys working in a barber shop who’d be able to determine where a bullet was lodged. Probably some element of truth there, though. There’s always a lot of early reporting that’s pretty shaky in these things.


215 posted on 03/21/2009 9:57:18 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg ("the mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs" - Jefferson)
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To: DieHard the Hunter; He who knoweth not his name
Don't worry knoweth. You had guns pointed at you? I don't giive a flying eff when you signed up, you are good to go in my book.

And I am as angry at this as you are. It did not have to happen.

And the sooner the Southern border is secured the better. The drug traffic supports not only a crime network , but now warfare in the streets, which is what this was.

I dono't need details to know we now have armed, violent tribes in California ready to use fire power against those who keep the peace. And banning guns won't do a thing to stop it.Which is what the next bit of foolishness will be about. Dog biting stick again instead of going after the root cause. That is no longer good enough, even in California.

216 posted on 03/21/2009 9:57:42 PM PDT by Candor7 (The weapons of choice against fascism are ridicule, and derision. (member NRA)
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To: DariusBane
If you have ever done MOUT (Military Operations in Urbanized Terrain) training you would realize that a whole lot of stuff can go wrong entering buildings. High casualty environment even at the best of times under optimum circumstances for the assault team.

Well then SWAT should also be issued fragmentation grenades along with their flash/bangs. Lob in the grenades and save two officers!
217 posted on 03/21/2009 9:58:21 PM PDT by CaptSkip
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To: ArmstedFragg

Why do you not think it’s true? Not challenging you ... I don’t know enough about it to know if it is true.


218 posted on 03/21/2009 9:58:48 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: ArmstedFragg

Miami to the BOA Hollywood shoot out is 10 miles apart ?

Or was there two Hollywood BOA robbery major shootouts in the past ....or are ya just helping me out ......sorry I didn’t have the exact 8 digit grid, zip code, internet link and gps coordinates for ya .....:o)

Stay Safe and thanks for the clarification......LOL !


219 posted on 03/21/2009 9:59:09 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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Looked like it to me as well. Did you note the type of Graffiti?

For the most part the images weren't that good. Strangely, in the Google street views, there were very few people on the sidewalks, even though the curbside parking was pretty much full in front of the various stores and shops.

So no, I didn't note the Graffiti.There is some on the building to the right of the apartment building where the killer holed up, and where the second two officers were shot. Means nothing to me though.

Try going to Google Maps, and put in the address:

2766 74th Ave, Oakland, CA

Rotate the image until you can see the building to the right of the apartment, the little "N" will be just left of the top of it's circle. Then hit the "+" to zoom in on the graffiti.

220 posted on 03/21/2009 9:59:15 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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