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Kids Are Being Taught That Carbon Kills Polar Bears
American Thinker ^ | March 21, 2009 | Marc Sheppard

Posted on 03/22/2009 5:48:36 AM PDT by IbJensen

California’s KQED has a story about elementary school children being taught that man-made “Mr. Carbon” is giving the Earth a global warming “fever” and killing “lovable” polar bears. Of course, the San Francisco-based PBS station thinks that’s just swell. It’s not – it’s outrageous.

Cool The Earth, the group behind this blatant indoctrination program, is the brainchild of two Marin County parents who say they were inspired by watching Al Gore’s An Inconvenient Truth. That’s probably all you need to know, but bear with me – it gets better.

According to their website, “Cool The Earth is a ready-to-run program that educates K-8 students and their families about global warming and inspires them to take simple actions to reduce their carbon emissions.” Here’s how they describe the program’s kick-off assembly:

The Cool the Earth program launches with an all-school assembly in which an original, age-appropriate play is performed by teachers, parents and students. Characters such as Koda the polar bear, Earth and Mother Nature act out scenarios about how human activities are contributing to raising levels of carbon dioxide and giving the earth a global warming “fever.” By the end of the play, all the kids are excited to get rid of the villain, Mr. Carbon, and save the lovable Koda. The tone of the play is positive and helps kids feel empowered to take action.

I can just imagine the boos and hisses when the evil caped Mr. Carbon creeps onto the stage and the applause and cheers when the cuddly and lovable Koda is saved from his villainous intent.

And speaking of dubious intentions, program co-founder Carleen Cullen makes no attempt to conceal hers:

“Cool the Earth plants the seeds of environmental change into the minds of the people who can have the biggest impact on the planet: children. If anyone can inspire their parents to make changes, it’s their children.”

Planting seeds into children’s minds? In other words -- brain washing.

And the site’s Climate 101 page, which incorrectly identifies carbon dioxide as “the most prevalent greenhouse gas,” reveals the fallacious weed they want those seeds to sprout:

An overwhelming body of scientific evidence paints a clear picture: climate change is happening; it is caused in large part by human activity and it will have many serious and potentially damaging effects in the decades ahead. Scientists have confirmed that the greenhouse gas emissions from cars, power plants and other manmade sources—rather than natural variations in climate—are a primary cause

It’s broken record time again, folks. As global temperatures continue to cool, alarmists are picking up both the tempo and intensity of their disinformation campaign. And public schools are a high value target. Please monitor the “science” being fed to your kids in school. And be prepared to remove any green mush that finds itself between their ears. Sit your kids down to watch and discuss the fabulous video AT’s Gregory Young features today.

And should your 7-year-old return home from school one day upset that your “carbon footprint” is killing poor Koda the polar bear, explain to the little tyke that polar bear populations have more than doubled since 1960. That warming is over, that it wasn’t caused by anything people did and never threatened polar bears. And that what he or she saw in class wasn’t real, but only make-believe.

Just like manmade global warming itself.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: agw; co2; demlies; envirowhackos; gorebalwarming; manbearpig; polarbears
Nothing we can do about it. It's the new Marxist Manifesto for subjugating Americans.
1 posted on 03/22/2009 5:48:36 AM PDT by IbJensen
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To: IbJensen
I wonder how many more parents would either have to start homeschooling or private schooling so that public schools lose their grip on power?

The more I read about things like this, and the more I read about how our own local school system works, the more I feel that the latter routes is the best thing to do.

2 posted on 03/22/2009 5:50:25 AM PDT by pnh102 (Save America - Ban Ethanol Now!)
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To: IbJensen

It’s too bad more American parents aren’t teaching their kids about what these Marxists are trying to do to them w/ this global warming nonsense.

American parents (the thinking ones, at least) should be more diligent in this respect or the Marxists are going to win.


3 posted on 03/22/2009 5:51:33 AM PDT by Constitutional Patriot (Socialism is the cancer of humanity.)
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To: IbJensen

If you let these people teach your children, well, that’s what you get.


4 posted on 03/22/2009 5:52:05 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("I always expect the worst from the RATS and they always deliver." ~ rrrod)
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To: IbJensen

Aren’t polar bears a CARBON-based lifeform???

This is ridiculous...


5 posted on 03/22/2009 5:54:09 AM PDT by LibertyRocks ( http://LibertyRocks.wordpress.com ~ ANTI-OBAMA STUFF : http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: IbJensen

This also reminds me of the supposed teacher who told just the other day; “Competition creates monopolies”. I couldn’t help but ask him where the heck he went to school. I was positive it was going to be some Jr. High School student, but the reply I got back was; “I’ve been teaching this for over 30 years I think I know what I’m talking about... I was dumbfounded...


6 posted on 03/22/2009 5:56:19 AM PDT by LibertyRocks ( http://LibertyRocks.wordpress.com ~ ANTI-OBAMA STUFF : http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: IbJensen
"Cool the Earth?" These pusbags need to get out of Marin COunty.

Permit me to suggest a "sunny" vacation in Churchhill Manitoba in January.

I hope they remember to pack their Bermuda shorts...

7 posted on 03/22/2009 5:57:53 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: IbJensen; Defendingliberty; Genesis defender; WL-law; Normandy; TenthAmendmentChampion; FrPR; ...
Polar bear populations have increased five fold since the 1950s. The globe is in a ten year cooling cycle. Those are facts, but they don't fit the political agenda of those who control education in the USofA. Government schools are failing as American students' test scores are in a free-fall compared to students in other countries. The American brand of leftism is especially pernicious.

 



Beam Me to Planet Gore !

8 posted on 03/22/2009 5:58:36 AM PDT by steelyourfaith ("Most bad government results from too much government." - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: IbJensen
the brainchild of two Marin County parents who say they were inspired by watching Al Gore’s An Inconvenient Truth

Marin is like an incubator for strange new life forms.

Fortunately, adults often and routinely underestimate children's ability to sort fact from fancy. Kids know that cartoons are not real-- why "Captain Planet" was an ineffective joke among the target audience. And for that matter probably few will be genuinely "excited" to see mom dressed up as a polar bear making a fool of herself in front of their friends.

9 posted on 03/22/2009 6:00:15 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: IbJensen
There is no evidence that CO2 has ever caused significant warming on Earth, at least not when the concentrations were within 10-15 times of what they are today. Water vapor is, by far, the most important greenhouse gas in the Earth system. Water vapor accounts for about 95% of the greenhouse effect on Earth. -etl

THE ACQUITTAL OF CARBON DIOXIDE
by Jeffrey A. Glassman, PhD

ABSTRACT:

"Carbon dioxide in the atmosphere [historically] is the product of oceanic respiration due to the well-known but under-appreciated solubility pump. Carbon dioxide rises out of warm ocean waters where it is added to the atmosphere. There it is mixed with residual and accidental CO2, and circulated, to be absorbed into the sink of the cold ocean waters. Next the thermohaline circulation carries the CO2-rich sea water deep into the ocean. A millennium later it appears at the surface in warm waters, saturated by lower pressure and higher temperature, to be exhausted back into the atmosphere. Throughout the past 420 millennia, comprising four interglacial periods, the Vostok record of atmospheric carbon dioxide concentration is imprinted with, and fully characterized by, the physics of the solubility of CO2 in water, along with the lag in the deep ocean circulation.

Notwithstanding that carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas, atmospheric carbon dioxide has neither caused nor amplified global temperature increases. Increased carbon dioxide has been an effect of global warming, not a cause. Technically, carbon dioxide is a lagging proxy for ocean temperatures. When global temperature, and along with it, ocean temperature rises, the physics of solubility causes atmospheric CO2 to increase.

If increases in carbon dioxide, or any other greenhouse gas, could have in turn raised global temperatures, the positive feedback would have been catastrophic. While the conditions for such a catastrophe were present in the Vostok record from natural causes, the runaway event did not occur. Carbon dioxide does not accumulate in the atmosphere."

http://www.rocketscientistsjournal.com/2006/10/co2_acquittal.html
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The graph above represents temperature and CO2 levels over the past 400,000 years. It is the same exact data Al Gore and the rest of the man-made global warmers refer to. The blue line is temps, the red, CO2 levels. The deep valleys represent 4 separate glaciation/ice-age periods. Look carefully at this historical relationship between temps and CO2 levels (the present is on the right hand side of the graph) and keep in mind that Gore claims this data is the 'proof' that CO2 has warmed the earth in the past. But does the data indeed show this? Nope. In fact, rising CO2 levels all throughout this 400,000-year period actually *followed* temperature increases -lagging behind by an average of 800 years! So it couldn't have been CO2 that got Earth out of these past glaciations. Yet Gore continually and dishonestly claims otherwise. Furthermore, the subsequent CO2 level increases due to dissolved CO2 being released from warming oceans, never did lead to additional warming, the so-called "run-away greenhouse effect" that Al Gore and his friends keep warning us about. In short, there is little if any evidence that CO2 had ever led to increased warming, at least not when the levels were within 10-15 times of what they are today. -etl
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"The above chart shows the range of global temperature through the last 500 million years. There is no statistical correlation between the level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere through the last 500 million years and the temperature record in this interval. In fact, one of the highest levels of carbon dioxide concentration occurred during a major ice age that occurred about 450 million years ago [Myr]. Carbon dioxide concentrations at that time were about 15 times higher than at present." [also see 180 million years ago, same thing happened]:
http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=010405M
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So, greenhouse [effect] is all about carbon dioxide, right?

Wrong. The most important players on the greenhouse stage are water vapor and clouds [clouds of course aren't gas, but high level ones do act to trap heat from escaping, while low-lying cumulus clouds tend to reflect sunlight and thereby help cool the planet -etl]. Carbon dioxide has been increased to about 0.038% of the atmosphere (possibly from about 0.028% pre-Industrial Revolution) while water in its various forms ranges from 0% to 4% of the atmosphere and its properties vary by what form it is in and even at what altitude it is found in the atmosphere.

In simple terms the bulk of Earth's greenhouse effect is due to water vapor by virtue of its abundance. Water accounts for about 90% of the Earth's greenhouse effect -- perhaps 70% is due to water vapor and about 20% due to clouds (mostly water droplets), some estimates put water as high as 95% of Earth's total tropospheric greenhouse effect (e.g., Freidenreich and Ramaswamy, 'Solar Radiation Absorption by Carbon Dioxide, Overlap with Water, and a Parameterization for General Circulation Models,' Journal of Geophysical Research 98 (1993):7255-7264).

The remaining portion comes from carbon dioxide, nitrous oxide, methane, ozone and miscellaneous other 'minor greenhouse gases.' As an example of the relative importance of water it should be noted that changes in the relative humidity on the order of 1.3-4% are equivalent to the effect of doubling CO2.

http://www.junkscience.com/Greenhouse/
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Water Vapor Rules the Greenhouse System

Water vapor constitutes Earth's most significant greenhouse gas, accounting for about 95% of Earth's greenhouse effect (4). Interestingly, many 'facts and figures' regarding global warming completely ignore the powerful effects of water vapor in the greenhouse system, carelessly (perhaps, deliberately) overstating human impacts as much as 20-fold.

Water vapor is 99.999% of natural origin. Other atmospheric greenhouse gases, carbon dioxide (CO2), methane (CH4), nitrous oxide (N2O), and miscellaneous other gases (CFC's, etc.), are also mostly of natural origin (except for the latter, which is mostly anthropogenic).

Human activities contribute slightly to greenhouse gas concentrations through farming, manufacturing, power generation, and transportation. However, these emissions are so dwarfed in comparison to emissions from natural sources we can do nothing about, that even the most costly efforts to limit human emissions would have a very small-- perhaps undetectable-- effect on global climate.

http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html
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Water Vapor Confirmed As Major Player In Climate Change

ScienceDaily (Nov. 18, 2008) — Water vapor is known to be Earth's most abundant greenhouse gas, but the extent of its contribution to global warming has been debated. Using recent NASA satellite data, researchers have estimated more precisely than ever the heat-trapping effect of water in the air, validating the role of the gas as a critical component of climate change.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/11/081117193013.htm

10 posted on 03/22/2009 6:01:49 AM PDT by ETL (ALL the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: IbJensen; OKSooner; honolulugal; Killing Time; Beowulf; Mr. Peabody; RW_Whacko; gruffwolf; ...

Carbon Scam/POGW


11 posted on 03/22/2009 6:02:48 AM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: pnh102
“I wonder how many more parents would either have to start homeschooling or private schooling so that public schools lose their grip on power?”

Home schooling will never take away their power. Their are too many that can't afford to pay double for their children's education.

Vouchers is the only plan that will break the Marxist grip on education.

12 posted on 03/22/2009 6:03:43 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: IbJensen
From The Washington Times, January 12, 2009

Obama climate czar has socialist ties
Group sees 'global governance' as solution

by Stephen Dinan

Until last week, Carol M. Browner, President-elect Barack Obama's pick as global warming czar, was listed as one of 14 leaders of a socialist group's Commission for a Sustainable World Society, which calls for "global governance" and says rich countries must shrink their economies to address climate change.

By Thursday, Mrs. Browner's name and biography had been removed from Socialist International's Web page, though a photo of her speaking June 30 to the group's congress in Greece was still available.

lots more...
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jan/12/obama-climate-czar-has-socialist-ties/
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Obama's "Climate Czar" is on the same page with Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro...

From GreenLeft.org

VENEZUELA: Chavez calls for global offensive for socialism
August 31, 2005

excerpts...

"The environment is suffering damage that could be irreversible — global warming, the greenhouse effect, the melting of the polar ice caps, the rising sea level, hurricanes — with terrible social occurrences that will shake life on this planet."

"I believe this idea has a strong connection with reality. I don't think we have much time. Fidel Castro said in one of his speeches I read not so long ago, 'tomorrow could be too late, let's do now what we need to do'."

"I believe it is time that we take up with courage and clarity a political, social, collective and ideological offensive across the world — a real offensive that permits us to move progressively, over the next years, the next decades, leaving behind the perverse, destructive, destroyer, capitalist model and go forward in constructing the socialist model to avoid barbarism and beyond that the annihilation of life on this planet."

--Hugo Chavez, at the 16th World Festival of Youth and Students, held in Caracas on August 8-15, 2005

http://www.greenleft.org.au/back/2005/640/640p16.htm
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Cindy Sheehan, Jodie Evans, Hugo Chavez,
Medea Benjamin [co-founder Code Pink]

Code Pink 'Bundles' for Barack, 4/14/2008

"The co-founder of the radical anti-war group Code Pink [Jodie Evans] has “bundled” more than $50,000 for Sen. Barack Obama’s presidential campaign, and pro-troops groups are demanding that he return the money."

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=25997

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Revolution interview with ("Peace Mom") Cindy Sheehan: October 29, 2005:
['Revolution' is the official newspaper of the Revolutionary Communist Party]
http://rwor.org/a/021/cindy-sheehan-interview.htm
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From National Public Radio (NPR):
August 29, 2006
"Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez has been visiting countries such as China, Iran and Russia as part of an effort to build a 'strategic alliance' of interests not beholden to the United States. He considers the United States his arch enemy.":
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5729764
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From CBS-News:
July 29, 2006
"Chavez pledged that his country would 'stay by Iran at any time and under any condition,' state television reported. Ahmadinejad said he saw in Chavez a kindred spirit." "'We do not have any limitation in cooperation,' Ahmadinejad was quoted as saying. 'Iran and Venezuela are next to each other and supporters of each other. Chavez is a source of a progressive and revolutionary current in South America and his stance in restricting imperialism is tangible.'":
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/07/29/world/main1847331.shtml
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Code Pink's Jodie Evans embraces Jane Fonda

13 posted on 03/22/2009 6:04:44 AM PDT by ETL (ALL the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: IbJensen; All
"Kids Are Being Taught That Carbon Kills Polar Bears"


14 posted on 03/22/2009 6:07:12 AM PDT by musicman (Until I see a REAL C.O.L.B. BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: IbJensen
Kids are also being taught that ... Surgeon General's old warning: Smoking is hazardous to your health. Smoking causes cancer.

Pick up a pack of smokes... new Surgeon General's warning... Quitting smoking now greatly reduces the risk to your health.

Watered down? You bet...

And, now the teachers ...hell bent on promoting Al Gore's false science are indoctrinating the children once again....

Fact is I had two great grandparents who smoked and live disease free in Indiana until age 98 and 97...

Time to make the teachers start teaching what they're suppose to be teaching reading, writing, math, and proven facts in science, history, etc.

15 posted on 03/22/2009 6:09:57 AM PDT by xtinct ("There's a sucker born every minute." P.T. Barnum)
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To: musicman

16 posted on 03/22/2009 6:16:15 AM PDT by andyandval
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To: IbJensen

Polar bears kill kids.


17 posted on 03/22/2009 6:19:38 AM PDT by RU88 (The false messiah can not change water into wine any more than he can get unity from diversity.)
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To: musicman

Melty the Bear.... Lol


18 posted on 03/22/2009 6:20:59 AM PDT by csvset
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To: IbJensen

19 posted on 03/22/2009 6:21:11 AM PDT by Sender (It's never too late to be who you could have been.)
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To: IbJensen
I saw this ad on TV and it made me want to puke.

20 posted on 03/22/2009 6:24:13 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Sender
I'm offended by the word Blacky.

Can I sue now ?

21 posted on 03/22/2009 6:24:44 AM PDT by csvset
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To: IbJensen

We can show all the graphs we wish showing the truth, we can chart true temperatures and data on snowfalls, we can present all the real-life causes and effects that prove the fraud of “global warming” but it amounts to nothing at all.

It DOESN’T matter, the liars and propagandists are in control and ignorance reigns in academia and for a purpose: to subjugate the people into slaves for the state, to enforce abortion and the murder of certain “undesireable” segments of our population.

Wake up dimwits (not you IBJensen, we’re shoutin’ at the brain-dead), common-sense and reason have nothing to do with what’s happening.


22 posted on 03/22/2009 6:29:46 AM PDT by brushcop (SFC Sallie, CPL Long, LTHarris, SSG Brown, PVT Simmons KIA OIF lll&V, they died for you, honor them)
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To: IbJensen

An outrage. Uncle Mao would be proud.


23 posted on 03/22/2009 6:35:41 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: IbJensen

One day, they will learn that polar bears are killing the penguins of Antarctica because of some environmentalist wackos that thought it was a good idea to relocate Arctic polar bears to the south pole. And there will still be polar bears in the Arctic.


24 posted on 03/22/2009 6:40:07 AM PDT by Hoodat (For the weapons of our warfare are mighty in God for pulling down strongholds.)
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To: IbJensen

I was terrified in elementary school when we took a whole week to discuss the coming ice age. It was a good thing that both my parents were spirit-filled Christians with brains that could explain away the fear.

All these global warming thugs can do is sell fear. And if you take a moment and consider how insignificant man is on a global level, at the very least, common sense should tell you there is nothing we can do to influence global climate.

In fact, man is probably not even in the top 10 influencers of climate, well behind the sun, the earth core, water vapor, gravity, volcanoes, solar radiation, ocean currents etc etc.

I think I saw this factoid that really was a nail in the coffin for me, if you took every human being and crammed them into one place on earth, they would take up less than 1% of the earth’s total volume. Remember, that two thirds of the earth is ocean and only a small percentage of land is inhabited with any appreciable density. Yet we are capable of “destroying the earth” or “changing the climate?” It makes no sense at all if you have half a brain.


25 posted on 03/22/2009 6:53:08 AM PDT by Kandy Atz ("Let him rave on that men may know him mad.")
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To: Kandy Atz

Where did you go to school Andy, public, private?


26 posted on 03/22/2009 7:06:04 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: IbJensen
Hey...look at it this way. We raise our children to see the truth and install a seriously powerful BS detector in them.
Our children will one day be leading these little Gorons.
27 posted on 03/22/2009 7:21:58 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Despite all my rage, I am still just a rat in a cage...)
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To: Ditter

Public school in Texas through high school. And then private, Methodist universities.

Having discussions about moving to Mexico because of advancing glaciers and dropping temperatures was a little bit too much for this 10(?) year old. The good news was that there wasn’t the agenda of directly blaming man - at least I don’t recall that. The way these “educators” place blame on mankind for “global warming” is insideous. Who heaps that kind of guilt on a child?

The government school monopoly needs to be broken before they destroy more generations with their propaganda.


28 posted on 03/22/2009 7:22:15 AM PDT by Kandy Atz ("Let him rave on that men may know him mad.")
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To: IbJensen
global warming
29 posted on 03/22/2009 7:37:03 AM PDT by odin2008 (EVIL TRIUMPHS WHEN GOOD MEN DO NOTHING)
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To: RU88

My thought, put polar bears in a petting zoo and this will end quick.


30 posted on 03/22/2009 8:33:55 AM PDT by razorback-bert (Will trade sex for ammo)
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To: IbJensen
California’s KQED has a story about elementary school children being taught that man-made “Mr. Carbon” is giving the Earth a global warming “fever” and killing “lovable” polar bears.

Religion should not be taught in the public schools.

31 posted on 03/22/2009 9:30:24 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (We have nothing to fear but Obama himself.)
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To: IbJensen

Has anyone noticed the scads of commercials whose main pitch is not how well their product works but how well they care about the environment? I was watching the NCAA tournament yesterday, and it seemed like nearly every ad emphasized how much they care about the environment.


32 posted on 03/22/2009 10:24:53 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: csvset

I’m offended by the lack of polar bears here in Georgia. Obviously we have driven them out of their habitat with our 95-degree humidity in Summer. Penguins are pretty scarce here too. Also you can forget about ice fishing. We need to tax the heck out of corporations so the rest of them will leave the USA. Then we’ll all feel so much less guilty. And the Democrats will have so much more money to give to future Democratic voters. Save us, Algore!


33 posted on 03/22/2009 10:29:32 AM PDT by Sender (It's never too late to be who you could have been.)
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To: driftless2
...scads of commercials whose main pitch is not how well their product works but how well they care about the environment?

Yes I've noticed these and find them disgusting.

34 posted on 03/22/2009 4:07:30 PM PDT by IbJensen ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples' money."Thatcher)
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To: ETL

"Ooh. Is that your finger or are you glad to see me?"

35 posted on 03/22/2009 4:10:27 PM PDT by IbJensen ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples' money."Thatcher)
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To: IbJensen; ETL; OKSooner; honolulugal; Killing Time; Beowulf; Mr. Peabody; RW_Whacko; gruffwolf
"Ooh. Is that your finger or are you glad to see me?"

Lissen up, I am tired of all this attention paid to Polar Bears. What about all the Penguins hacking their lungs out with dangerous Carbon Dioxide, which as you know contains the dangerous poison, Carbon?

36 posted on 03/23/2009 10:56:17 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (The Election of 2008: Given the choice between stupid and evil, the stupid chose evil.)
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To: IbJensen

Better not tell the kids about Dihydrogen Monoxide, that stuff will kill you.


37 posted on 03/23/2009 11:01:38 AM PDT by dfwgator (1996 2006 2008 - Good Things Come in Threes)
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To: Kenny Bunk
Penguins, like our illustrious marxist leader, need to refrain from smoking.

(I believe penguins prefer Kools.)

38 posted on 03/23/2009 4:44:34 PM PDT by IbJensen ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples' money."Thatcher)
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