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Gun sales are up, but it's legal (Barfer)
seacoastonline ^ | 3/22/2009 | Staff

Posted on 03/22/2009 7:06:57 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA

Like it or not, gun sales are, well, booming.

There are a number of reasons but the most prevalent are people are afraid the Obama administration, sooner or later, will get around to creating more-restrictive gun ownership laws and taxes. And those are not unfounded fears.

So gun owners are stocking up on ammunition, handguns and semiautomatic rifles. Sales are up 50 percent since Barack Obama was elected.

And gun-control advocates have taken notice.

In a story in Seacoast Sunday last week, Peter Hamm of the Washington-D.C.-based Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence used words like "lunacy" to describe people who are buying guns.

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Love the last line of the piece:

In the meantime, there is nothing to prevent people from legally stocking up on guns and ammunition.

1 posted on 03/22/2009 7:06:58 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA
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To: Red in Blue PA

Barack Obama’s gun control policy, or should I write anti-gun record is long and informative:

* 1994 to 2001 - Obama was on the board of the anti-gun Joyce Foundation. This foundation is the largest funding source for radical anti-gun groups in the country.

* 1996 - Obama supported a ban on the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns.

* 1999 - Obama proposed a 500 percent increase in the excise taxes on firearms and ammunition. This tax would effectively punish gun owners for buying guns and ammunition.

* 2003 - Obama voted in support of legislation that would have banned privately owned hunting shotguns, target rifles and black powder rifles in Illinois.

* 2004 - Obama voted against legislation intended to protect homeowners from prosecution in cases where they used a firearm to halt a home invasion.


2 posted on 03/22/2009 7:12:11 AM PDT by mgc1122
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To: mgc1122

The Secret Service Protection should be taken away from Obama and any other anti-gun legislator. If we don’t need guns for self-defense, neither do they.

Courious how many would still be of the same opinion then?


3 posted on 03/22/2009 7:13:45 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

I do not see the reason for the barf alert. It seems a fairly descriptive bit of reporting.


4 posted on 03/22/2009 7:13:49 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: Red in Blue PA

“In the meantime, there is nothing to prevent people from legally stocking up on guns and ammunition.”
Oh, don’t be surprised when it becomes illegal to “stockpile” guns and ammunition. Police agencies have already used the “stockpile” excuse to confiscate weapons while they sort out the details of if the “cache” of weapons is legal. Funny, that sort of reasoning would be appalling to liberals if it was applied to some cause they support. How about we seize “ACORN” and then sort out if they are up to no good?


5 posted on 03/22/2009 7:15:20 AM PDT by bitterohiogunclinger (America held hostage - day 156)
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To: marktwain
It seems a fairly descriptive bit of reporting.

"In the meantime, there is nothing to prevent people from legally stocking up on guns and ammunition."

Yes. Very descriptive. It describes exactly what it is that makes people on this forum want to barf.

6 posted on 03/22/2009 7:17:48 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Despite all my rage, I am still just a rat in a cage...)
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To: marktwain

I do not think this is “equally charged” by any stretch:

Equally charged rhetoric from the other extreme side of the issue doesn’t help either.

Wayne LaPierre, president of the National Rifle Association, said during a recent speech, “The Second Amendment breathes life into liberty. The Founding Fathers understood that the guys with the guns make the rules.”


7 posted on 03/22/2009 7:18:22 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective.)
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To: bitterohiogunclinger

“Police agencies have already used the “stockpile” excuse to confiscate weapons while they sort out the details of if the “cache” of weapons is legal.”

Imagine for a second that police forces went and rounded up people who had boxes and boxes of pens.

The absurdity here is no different.


8 posted on 03/22/2009 7:19:21 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

GREAT IDEA!!!!
This is why they are so arrogant about the rights of citizens to defend themselves-because they live in armored cocoons and many of the liberal gun grabbers have permits.


9 posted on 03/22/2009 7:21:26 AM PDT by steamroller
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To: Red in Blue PA
From the same article:

But there are plenty of proponents of gun ownership to challenge and argue against such regulations.

The Second Amendment still gives Americans the right to keep and bear arms. Gun ownership and possession are legal in this country.

People use them for hunting, for target shooting, for collections, for protection.

Sadly, some people use them in robberies and murders. But such people are breaking our laws when they do so. Such are not the actions of responsible gun owners. And no law can totally prevent such actions.

I have to say: it's actually nice to see some balance (for a change) in an article about gun ownership.

10 posted on 03/22/2009 7:22:19 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life.)
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To: Red in Blue PA
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11 posted on 03/22/2009 7:22:37 AM PDT by odin2008 (EVIL TRIUMPHS WHEN GOOD MEN DO NOTHING)
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To: steamroller

It’s also why so many in Hollywood can be of that opinion....they have armed bodyguards.

Would love to hear their opinions without said bodyguards.


12 posted on 03/22/2009 7:22:39 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Peloser said no to a renewal of the AW ban, and 65 Democrats on Friday told the Bambi administration(isn’t that an appropriate name?) no more gun laws. I wonder how many blue dogs signed on.

I doubt the donks want to replay 1994.


13 posted on 03/22/2009 7:23:10 AM PDT by Tarpon (It's a common fact, one can't be liberal and rational at the same time.)
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To: Red in Blue PA
He also said, "In this economic environment, I question the sanity of extremists who are buying up guns. What kind of choices are they making for their families?"

Possibly one that may save their lives.

What usually happens during economic down turns?

Crime increases.

Having a home protection firearm always makes sense. But it is a necessity in times like these.

14 posted on 03/22/2009 7:23:42 AM PDT by Pontiac (Your message here.)
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To: andy58-in-nh

The last line struck me though. Why should there be anything to prevent people from buying guns with an Amendment which expressly give this right?

The fact that this word was even used is disturbing to me.


15 posted on 03/22/2009 7:23:53 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective.)
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To: bitterohiogunclinger
Here's another bogus line...

"...The decisions will be made in the Congress..."

Bullchit! I thought the SCOTUS said something about the various legislatures making these decisions in a ruling last summer.

16 posted on 03/22/2009 7:25:22 AM PDT by skimbell
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To: Red in Blue PA

I’m in Texas. Based on what is happening in Mexico, and of course here in Washington, there are plenty of reasons to be prepared.


17 posted on 03/22/2009 7:26:22 AM PDT by Kandy Atz ("Let him rave on that men may know him mad.")
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To: Red in Blue PA
So gun owners are stocking up on ammunition, handguns and semiautomatic rifles. Sales are up 50 percent since Barack Obama was elected.

Saw a sign out front of a gun shop the other day, one of those real upscale signs with some really good graphics. One of the "statements' on it this past week.

"Congrats to our Salesman of the Month..He bowled a 129"


18 posted on 03/22/2009 7:28:14 AM PDT by OBXWanderer
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To: marktwain

It is clear that this media boy is trying to act objective. However, like most in this nation, he is confused on two points. First, he points out the punitive things government can do to reduce gun ownership if the Second Amendment is ignored. Second, he lists the reasons for gun ownership as: hunting, target shooting, collections, and protection. Again he forgets that the Second Amendment is there to insure that the Citizens can band together, become “a well regulated militia” to protect the Constitution and the Nation (from enemies both foreign and domestic).


19 posted on 03/22/2009 7:31:16 AM PDT by Steamburg ( Your wallet speaks the only language most politicians understand.)
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To: Red in Blue PA
Here's the line: "In the meantime, there is nothing to prevent people from legally stocking up on guns and ammunition".

I really think you can read that both ways, especially in the context of the article, which I found refreshingly balanced.

It is true that there is nothing to prevent people from legally stocking up on guns and ammunition and that is their right as citizens, as explicitly recognized (not granted, mind you, but observed) in our Constitution.

In any event, such discussion is far better than what passes for discourse about firearms in most of the mainstream media, where violence is routinely blamed on inert tools rather than on the people who promulgate it.

20 posted on 03/22/2009 7:35:53 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life.)
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To: odin2008

BUMP!


21 posted on 03/22/2009 7:38:20 AM PDT by BenLurkin (Mornie` utulie`. Mornie` alantie`.)
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To: Red in Blue PA
The last line struck me though. Why should there be anything to prevent people from buying guns with an Amendment which expressly give this right

It makes one wonder how the author would describe my 5,000 book library. Am I "stockpiling" books?

(the 500+ books on firearms & military hardware would probably give him pause...)

22 posted on 03/22/2009 7:40:20 AM PDT by GL of Sector 2814 (One man's "magic" is another man's engineering. "Supernatural" is a null word. -- R A Heinlein)
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To: Red in Blue PA
The damn lunatic is Brady.
23 posted on 03/22/2009 7:44:01 AM PDT by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: odin2008
We have tried finding ammo at a couple of chain stores in Colorado (Denver Metro Area). No luck.

Chain stores don't do a good job anyway of supporting our 2nd amendment rights. Think it is because they want to be PC. Most of the stores don't sell handguns, now.

Anyway, can you recommend a good store or chain in Colorado (Denver Metro area)?

Can you buy ammo mail order?

Thanks.

24 posted on 03/22/2009 7:48:52 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: Red in Blue PA

“Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence used words like “lunacy” to describe people who are buying guns”

...if owning a gun is “lunacy”, I’m proud to say that I’m a card carrying “lunatic” times 5! 6 if you include the 38 I’m getting for my wife!!


25 posted on 03/22/2009 7:50:43 AM PDT by albie
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To: Red in Blue PA

I think most people are stocking up because they are afraid they will need something to put down the commies.


26 posted on 03/22/2009 7:54:34 AM PDT by xmission (www.iwilldefendtheconstitution.com)
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To: odin2008

Those 9mms are HUGH!


27 posted on 03/22/2009 7:56:49 AM PDT by xmission (www.iwilldefendtheconstitution.com)
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To: Red in Blue PA
In the meantime, there is nothing to prevent people from legally stocking up on guns and ammunition.

Other than empty shelves and "out of stock" indications on ammunition websites. Even steel cased Wolf and other Ruski brands.

28 posted on 03/22/2009 7:57:12 AM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Red in Blue PA

At least this is one sector of the economy Obama has had a positive impact on. Remington employees are probably getting big time bonuses this year. Good for them.

The sad thing is we are doing this because we fear our government. When citizens have this much fear of their government the eventual results are foreseeable. People are doing what any sane person would do when face with tyranny, prepare to defend themselves and their loved ones.


30 posted on 03/22/2009 8:00:20 AM PDT by TonyM (E)
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To: Red in Blue PA
He also said, "In this economic environment, I question the sanity of extremists who are buying up guns. What kind of choices are they making for their families?"

Lead, brass, aluminum and steel, especially when properly processed, are great investments. Their value should keep up nicely with the hyperinflation that the Messiah is bringing.

The Second Amendment still gives Americans the right to keep and bear arms.

Does no such thing. It protect that right, it doesn't give it. Repealing the second amendment wouldn't take it away either...but would have "Unintended Consequences", interesting ones.

Gun ownership and possession are legal in this country.

31 posted on 03/22/2009 8:04:06 AM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: albie
Lunacy is counting on the government and police to protect you.

Just ask the people who were in New Orleans after Katrina or the people who were in LA during the riots. Or the family waiting for the police to show up while their house is being burglarized. Or the poor girl who is being terrorized by her ex-boyfriend, and on and on.

If the current situation were to take a turn for the worse, it could get really nasty. And you don't want to be unarmed and waiting for the government to save you.

32 posted on 03/22/2009 8:05:34 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: GL of Sector 2814
Am I "stockpiling" books?

Of course. The Obama Youth Corps will be by to burn most or all of them, and possibly you with them.

33 posted on 03/22/2009 8:07:52 AM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: dhs12345
Can you buy ammo mail order?

Depends on your state, but in general yes. Just put whatever caliber you are looking for into your favorite search engine (I find Altavista works well on such stuff) and you'll likely find a few dozen places which sell it.

Be warned however that most of them show "out of stock" or "on backorder". I'm waiting on 500 rounds of .233 myself, it did not show either on backorder or out of stock when I ordered it, but a couple of days later the 500 round box did and about a week after that the 1000 round box did. Mine was supposed to have shipped a week ago, but now just shows "on back order, as does my removable AR sights, my 10 AR magazines, and my AR kit. At least I have the stripped lower, and the holographic sight in hand.

34 posted on 03/22/2009 8:13:35 AM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: SonOfPyrodex
Oh, don’t worry. When the time comes, the Left is going to force us to share all our stocked-up ammunition. I’d bet on it.

And we will, or at least the bullets, with them.

35 posted on 03/22/2009 8:15:06 AM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: dhs12345

this is my favorite ammo store , they are reliable and ship fast , given the volume they have in sales :) they are keeping up well
http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/


36 posted on 03/22/2009 8:17:13 AM PDT by bandit123 (molon labe , better to die a patriot than live a sheeple)
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To: TonyM
"The sad thing is we are doing this because we fear our government."

"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny. When the government fears the people, there is liberty." Thomas Jefferson

37 posted on 03/22/2009 8:17:32 AM PDT by Roccus (The Capitol, the White House, the Court house.....................America's Axis of Evil!)
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To: dhs12345
Anyway, can you recommend a good store or chain in Colorado (Denver Metro area)?

Green Mountain Guns in Lakewood is a very good store. I was there yesterday and they had some ammo in stock, although the shelves were semi-bare.

Can you buy ammo mail order?

Yes, although many of the large dealers in ammunition are currently out of stock. Try www.cabelas.com, www.ammoman.com, and www.cheaperthandirt.com. You can also get ammunition at the auction websites www.gunbroker.com and www.auctionarms.com.

38 posted on 03/22/2009 8:20:58 AM PDT by GL of Sector 2814 (One man's "magic" is another man's engineering. "Supernatural" is a null word. -- R A Heinlein)
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To: El Gato

Thanks. Would be nice to have some 223. Used to be able to get it easily and cheaply.


39 posted on 03/22/2009 8:30:50 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: bandit123

Thanks!

I’ll give them a shot.


40 posted on 03/22/2009 8:35:49 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: GL of Sector 2814

Thanks. I’ll try them.


41 posted on 03/22/2009 8:37:32 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: Red in Blue PA
"In this economic environment, I question the sanity of extremists who are buying up guns. What kind of choices are they making for their families?"

Well, for my wife it was a .38 Special revolver. For my son, an AK. For my daughter a .22 semi-auto rifle with scope.

Mr. Hamm you need not worry about the choices I make for my family. I'm far more capable of that than you are.

By the way, I'm not an "extremist" .... yet.

42 posted on 03/22/2009 8:37:52 AM PDT by 2111USMC
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To: Red in Blue PA
The two sides have not been able to reach any middle ground and are not likely to do so.

That is because there is no middle ground. There is the second amendment. Anything else is fascist spin.

How many violent criminals were without guns last year thanks to gun control laws......ZERO.

My local Wal Mart is out of 38 and 22 ammo, no idea of when more is coming. My local gun shop has both in limited supply and getting more costly.

43 posted on 03/22/2009 8:47:05 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s........you weren't really there)
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To: Red in Blue PA

According to the liberals, the idiots that they are, all this gun buying should result in an equal increase in gun crime. Gosh, what if it doesn’t??


44 posted on 03/22/2009 8:54:48 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberalism is Communism, and both are a mental disorder. Grow up.)
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To: dhs12345

The Bass Pro Shop near I-70 and Quebec usually has quite a gun and ammo selection. Most Walmarts have quit selling guns and their ammo is sold out in most popular calibers.


45 posted on 03/22/2009 8:57:03 AM PDT by MtnClimber (Bernard Madoff's ponzi scheme looks remarkably similar to the way Social Security works)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Any update on the re-introduction of the Ammunition Accountability Act in our fair Commonwealth?


46 posted on 03/22/2009 8:59:47 AM PDT by thethirddegree
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To: OBXWanderer

LOL!


47 posted on 03/22/2009 9:16:50 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective.)
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To: El Gato

I have two AR kits on backorder since early January. Looks like I probably won’t get them until summer.

I ordered a bunch of stripped lowers last year thankfully.


48 posted on 03/22/2009 9:23:26 AM PDT by xmission (www.iwilldefendtheconstitution.com)
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To: Red in Blue PA

"No one should have the right to own guns (other than my personal bodyguard)".

49 posted on 03/22/2009 9:57:19 AM PDT by eclecticEel (I already have a Messiah, I don't need another one.)
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To: dhs12345
I went to the Tanner Gun Show at the Merchandise Mart in Denver yesterday to get some .357 mag and 9mm ammo. I don't know what caliber you're looking for, but if it's .357 mag, good luck. It was all sold out the first hour and a half. 9mm was also almost gone. They seemed to have plenty of .45 caliber and some others, though.

If you go there today, be prepared for the long line to get in. Yesterday, it was all the way down the side of the block and half way around the other.

50 posted on 03/22/2009 10:00:07 AM PDT by raisetheroof ("To become Red is to become dead --- gradually." Alexander Solzhenitsyn)
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