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With citizenship bill, Rep. Bill Posey goes from obscurity to on-air scorn (From Olbermann)
St. Petersburg Times ^ | Monday, March 23, 2009 | Wes Allison

Posted on 03/23/2009 1:30:23 AM PDT by Red Steel

WASHINGTON — It is safe to say that until last week, Bill Posey was one of Florida's least-known members of Congress, a freshman Republican who bears a passing resemblance to the mild-mannered Mister Rogers.

During 16 years representing the Melbourne area in the state Legislature, Posey was best known for being reasonable and low key, a staunch conservative who had a reputation for working with Democrats on tough issues.

That changed last week, after Posey quietly introduced a bill in the House that would require presidential candidates to submit their birth certificates to prove they are really U.S. citizens.

Now he's the butt of jokes on late-night TV and the target of considerable venom on liberal-leaning Web sites like Huffington Post and Talking Points Memo.

Keith Olbermann, MSNBC's liberal commentator, deemed him the "World's Worst Person of the Day" on Tuesday.

Posey has been portrayed as something of a nut for what is widely seen as an attempt to legitimize the fringe belief that President Barack Obama is not a U.S. citizen.

"So, Congressman, what you should do is stop embarrassing yourself and take the Reynolds Wrap off your head," Olbermann scolded.

A day later, Posey leaned back in his chair in his spacious Capitol Hill office, pressed his fingertips together and turned his eyes toward the ceiling, a man trying to center himself in an unexpected storm. The classical music was turned up loud.

"You don't know me," he said slowly, leveling his gaze. "So let me give you a little background."

In the Florida Legislature, Posey was known for pushing government accountability. In 2001, following the troubled 2000 presidential election, he was tapped to lead the Senate committee responsible for overhauling state election laws. That yielded a bipartisan package that banned punch-card ballots, introduced early voting and created provisional ballots, so people whose names aren't on the rolls could cast a vote and have the dispute resolved later.

Since being sworn into Congress in early January, two weeks before Obama's historic inauguration, Posey said he has gotten calls and e-mails from folks back home questioning whether the president is really a citizen, or has a valid Hawaiian birth certificate.

"We routinely get calls from constituents, and every constituent who calls or writes about it has just discovered it," Posey said. "They just now heard about the issue, and they have no idea it's settled. They think it's new."

The Constitution requires the president to be a "natural born citizen." Rumors that Obama was born in his father's homeland of Kenya, rather than Hawaii, simmered throughout the campaign, fed largely by anonymous e-mails and conservative commentators on TV and talk radio.

Obama eventually posted his birth certificate on his campaign Web site. The Hawaiian health secretary vouched for it. Still unconvinced, critics called it a forgery.

Posey insists his goal was simply to put the rumors to rest, and ensure no future candidate faces the questions over a birth certificate that have dogged Obama.

"If he had filed that the very first day he filed for office, we wouldn't be having any problems right now," Posey said.

The birth certificate requirement would take effect in 2012, when Obama would be up for re-election.

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Posey, 61, insists he's no partisan bomb thrower, and he names several prominent Democrats in Tallahassee who will vouch for him, including Sen. Al Lawson, the Senate minority leader, and Sen. Dave Aronberg of Greenacres.

And they do, describing him as a friend and worthy lawmaker. But on this bill, they can't imagine what he was thinking.

"People are going to look at you peculiar if you're going to have a bill that kind of, somewhat, challenges the president of the United States on his citizenship," Lawson said. "I think that's inappropriate. I would think that he should withdraw that bill and maybe apologize to the public."

Posey seems genuinely baffled by the negative reaction. It could be a bit naive, given how widespread and divisive the controversy was during the campaign.

If a Republican had won the White House, he still would have filed the bill, Posey said. "I'm going to say let's do this, and there's nothing left to b---- about. … I assumed the other side would like that."

The other side is Rep. Neil Abercrombie, D-Hawaii, a tweedy, energetic liberal who often greets people with "Aloha." Right now he is wearing a scowl.

"Why the hell would anybody do this?" he says of Posey's bill, adding angry comments about "black-helicopter people" and "the kind of sick politics that permeates a certain portion of the electorate."

Abercrombie was friends with Obama's parents when they were college students in Honolulu, back in the early 1960s, when Ann Dunham Obama was pregnant with the future president. He first met Barack Jr. as an infant.

"It's one thing to try to be responsive to your constituents, no matter how marginal," Abercrombie said. "I understand that. But to take it to the point of putting it into a bill — you open yourself up, then, to having your judgment questioned."

But if citizenship is required, why not require a birth certificate?

"What you do, generally, with legislation is you … address common issues or concerns," Abercrombie said. "The citizenship of someone who has reached the point of running for president of the United States is not really an issue."

Despite the heat, Posey said reaction from his constituents has been positive. Most tell him they figured you would need to file a birth certificate to run for president anyhow. So do the House colleagues he has discussed the bill with, he said.

Even so, it still has no co-sponsors.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government
KEYWORDS: 111th; bho44; birthcertificate; certifigate; corruption; eligibility; intimidation; msnbc; obama; posey
Keith Olbermann, MSNBC's liberal commentator, deemed him the "World's Worst Person of the Day" on Tuesday.

Oh, OlberFuehrermann put him on his idiotic list. He must be doing it right.

Even so, it still has no co-sponsors.

Give it time it will.

Obama eventually posted his birth certificate on his campaign Web site. The Hawaiian health secretary vouched for it.

An outright lie the media insists on perpetuating. The state of Hawaii has never vouched for it.

1 posted on 03/23/2009 1:30:23 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

Joe Biden:
“You know, I never realized just how much power Dick Cheney had until my first day on the job. I walked into my office, and you know how the outgoing president always leaves the incoming president a note in his desk? I opened my drawer and Dick Cheney had left me Barack Obama’s birth certificate.”


2 posted on 03/23/2009 1:35:14 AM PDT by ari-freedom ( Hail to the Dork!)
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To: Red Steel

What do you expect from the Leningrad Times?


3 posted on 03/23/2009 1:36:49 AM PDT by SolidWood (Palin: "We do not want to becomes slaves of Washington.")
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Lots of “Those Who Protest Too Loudly.”

Who could oppose a requirement for a candidate for president to document eligibility.


4 posted on 03/23/2009 2:42:34 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Red Steel

Colbert was making fun of the Florida Congressman on his show, I think it was Thursday-not good for the GOP in general.


5 posted on 03/23/2009 2:54:29 AM PDT by nyconse (When you buy something, make an investment in your country. Buy American or bye bye America)
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To: Red Steel
Ask yourself....

Why would the President of the United States REFUSE to produce a Birth Certificate if he had one which would remove doubt of his eligibility and avoid a Constitutional crises?

Two possible explanations:
1. He doesn't have one.
2. The one he has would reveal something he doesn't wish revealed.

The Dalai Bama is a fraud and poseur on so many levels - it's frightening.

6 posted on 03/23/2009 2:56:08 AM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: LucyT

Ping!


7 posted on 03/23/2009 2:57:13 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (Can't get enough of my snarking? http://twitter.com/slingsandarrows)
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To: Red Steel

LOL! Olberbuttmunch *knows* Obama is illegitimate!


8 posted on 03/23/2009 3:29:03 AM PDT by DGHoodini (God's gonna getcha!)
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To: Red Steel

No reason to fear this bill or make fun of it unless they are all afraid of it. Very odd. They are making it worse by opposing the bill because they will leave the impression that there is a ‘there’ there.


9 posted on 03/23/2009 4:04:05 AM PDT by carmody
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To: 88keys; Matchett-PI; mcmuffin; 3D-JOY; WorkerbeeCitizen; shove_it; drj; Sax; Normal4me; ...
Brevard County, Florida ping.

Bill Posey, (R) FL-15, in the news.

Let me know if you want on or off this ping list.
(not associated with the county government)

10 posted on 03/23/2009 4:05:46 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (May God save America from its government; this is no time for Obamateurs. Emmanuel = Haldeman?)
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To: Red Steel

“you open yourself up, then, to having your judgment questioned”

You’re speaking about yourself here, congressman.


11 posted on 03/23/2009 4:47:40 AM PDT by reasonisfaith (Liberals have neither the creativity nor the confidence to understand the truth of conservatism)
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To: Red Steel

As Obama continues to do stupid things one after another, his ability to retain his current status will decrease while the number of people interested his birth certificate will increase.


12 posted on 03/23/2009 4:50:18 AM PDT by reasonisfaith (Liberals have neither the creativity nor the confidence to understand the truth of conservatism)
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To: Red Steel

“...they have no idea it’s settled.”

Excuse me Congrssman Posey, I respect what you are doing here but... I’m not new to this issue and I don’t recall it being “settled”. Are you refering to Mr. Soetoro’s posting of his COLB on Factcheck.org? I hardly think that “settled” anything.


13 posted on 03/23/2009 5:30:39 AM PDT by AJMCQ (Who is Khalid al-Mansour? You mean Obama didn't get into Harvard on his grades?)
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To: Slings and Arrows; Calpernia; Fred Nerks; null and void; pissant; george76; PhilDragoo; Candor7; ...
Thank you, Slings and Arrows. Interesting article. Another LIE from the media; the Hawaiian health secretary did NOT vouch for 0bama's birth certificate. With help from the media, Democrats are trying to marginalize anyone who upholds the Constitution.

Ping to remember the following names:

Posey, Republican, was best known for being reasonable and low key, a staunch conservative who had a reputation for working with Democrats on tough issues.

That changed last week, after Posey quietly introduced a bill in the House that would require presidential candidates to submit their birth certificates to prove they are really U.S. citizens.

Now he's the butt of jokes on late-night TV and the target of considerable venom on liberal-leaning Web sites like Huffington Post and Talking Points Memo.

Keith Olbermann, MSNBC's liberal commentator, deemed him the "World's Worst Person of the Day" on Tuesday.

Posey has been portrayed as something of a nut for what is widely seen as an attempt to legitimize the fringe belief that President Barack Obama is not a U.S. citizen.

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Rep. Neil Abercrombie, Democrat-Hawaii...said, "The citizenship of someone who has reached the point of running for president of the United States is not really an issue."

[snip]

People are going to look at you peculiar if you're going to have a bill that kind of, somewhat, challenges the president of the United States on his citizenship," Lawson Democrat, said. "I think that's inappropriate. I would think that he should withdraw that bill and maybe apologize to the public."

14 posted on 03/23/2009 6:38:41 AM PDT by LucyT
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To: D-fendr
Who could oppose a requirement for a candidate for president to document eligibility.

Certainly no honest person could oppose a check to assure that the constitution is upheld.
15 posted on 03/23/2009 6:45:01 AM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: Red Steel
"What you do, generally, with legislation is you … address common issues or concerns," Abercrombie said. "The citizenship of someone who has reached the point of running for president of the United States is not really an issue."

That has to the most moronic sentence to come out of any politician's mouth in a while.

16 posted on 03/23/2009 6:53:30 AM PDT by snowsislander (NRA -- join today! 1-877-NRA-2000)
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To: LucyT
FTA:

Obama eventually posted his birth certificate on his campaign Web site. The Hawaiian health secretary vouched for it

I don't recall that. Didn't they simply say they had one on file or did I miss something?

17 posted on 03/23/2009 6:56:30 AM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Wake up people, AIG executives are not the enemy, your Government is!)
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To: D-fendr
Lots of “Those Who Protest Too Loudly.”

I've noticed that too, and I get the feeling that all the dim congresscritter know the truth, and that truth is he isn't a NBC. They have circled the wagons, doing and saying all the expected things they do when they are playing cover-up.

I received an e-mail letter from my Rep. about the birth certificate issue and I hadn't written him. So I've been crafting a letter to him about it and asking him to join Rep. Posey. I think what really ticked me off about his letter to me was "The Halls of Congress are surely not the appropriate venue to settle delicate questions of constitution process."

I realize that at this point the court is the appropriate venue, but there was a point that Congress was and no one objected. But this is not the point, the future elections are the point now, starting with 2012 (if we still have a free country for an election).

18 posted on 03/23/2009 6:58:32 AM PDT by YellowRoseofTx (Evil is not the opposite of God; it's the absence of God)
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To: snowsislander

The comment from Mel Martinez that “the constitution doesn’t matter once the people have voted” is certainly in the running.

That’s basically suggesting that Hugo Chavez could win a write in vote and he would be our president because the people voted for him.


19 posted on 03/23/2009 6:58:47 AM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

You’re correct. All they said is they have one on file.


20 posted on 03/23/2009 7:00:59 AM PDT by LucyT
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To: cripplecreek
“the constitution doesn’t matter once the people have voted”

Ha! Let the people vote in slavery and lets see if the Constitution matters

21 posted on 03/23/2009 7:02:33 AM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Wake up people, AIG executives are not the enemy, your Government is!)
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To: LucyT

Thanks LucyT :)


22 posted on 03/23/2009 7:03:54 AM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Wake up people, AIG executives are not the enemy, your Government is!)
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To: cripplecreek
The comment from Mel Martinez that “the constitution doesn’t matter once the people have voted” is certainly in the running.

Yes, Senator Martinez's blunder was another stunningly moronic pronouncement from our solons.

At least Senator Martinez had the good grace to announce his relinquishing of his senate seat next year after that risible remark came to light.

23 posted on 03/23/2009 7:10:16 AM PDT by snowsislander (NRA -- join today! 1-877-NRA-2000)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Exactly, the constitution is the supreme stand alone, end all, law of the land and is the only law that overrides the will of the voters. The voters can change it but only by way of a long drawn out constitutional convention process.


24 posted on 03/23/2009 7:11:53 AM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: cripplecreek
Exactly, the constitution is the supreme stand alone

We both know it only applies when it is convenient. And when it isn't it is perverted to meet the latest requirements of the current political climate.

25 posted on 03/23/2009 7:16:41 AM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Wake up people, AIG executives are not the enemy, your Government is!)
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To: ml/nj; BP2; pissant; GreatOne; LucyT; SunkenCiv; Clintonfatigued; fieldmarshaldj; Kevmo; Polarik; ..
Ping!!!

The very fact that the 'Rats and their MSM friends are taking notice of Posey and his bill is a strong indicator that they are aware of the huge problem it could cause them.

As the old saw goes, where there's smoke there's fire!

26 posted on 03/23/2009 7:20:01 AM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: LucyT
Keith Olbermann, MSNBC's liberal commentator, deemed him the "World's Worst Person of the Day"

Wow! THAT beats an Oscar or a Nobel any day! What an Honor!

(Okay, it doesn't pay as much as a Nobel, but still!)

Good for Representative Posey, for quietly having the wherewithal to introduce a Bill which if codified would end the kerfluffle once and for all.

If it upsets the Liberals and Obamites, it can't be all bad, no matter how people feel about the BO BC issue. (Send the Kenyan home!)

27 posted on 03/23/2009 7:56:18 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: LucyT

Thanks for the ping, LucyT.

They love to throw words around like, nuts, fringe, being the butt of jokes, etc. Liberals know the power a label can carry.

To them, if enough of them call someone a nut, he must be one....right? (rolls eyes)


28 posted on 03/23/2009 8:13:49 AM PDT by azishot (I just joined the NRA.)
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To: Red Steel

“The citizenship of someone who has reached the point of running for president of the United States is not really an issue.”
***Wow, that’s a brilliant constitutional scholar talking right there... (/s for those in Rio Vista)


29 posted on 03/23/2009 8:17:01 AM PDT by Kevmo ( It's all over for this Country as a Constitutional Republic. ~Leo Donofrio, 12/14/08)
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To: justiceseeker93; ml/nj; BP2; pissant; GreatOne; LucyT; SunkenCiv; Clintonfatigued; ...
FReeper Calpernia came up with this.

PASS THE WORD to state and federal legislators, political leaders, media, etc:

eVerify is already in place for employers. We need to eVerify incumbents and all politicans running for office----their staffs AND donors.

DHS needs to register all political organizations so that Americans could enter the names of politicians wanting to run for public office.

The current eVerify Dept holds the position that politicians don’t work for us, they work for the government. Nonsense-----we are the citizens that vet them, vote for them, and pay their salaries.

DHS needs to confirm EVERY candidates' immigration status.

Pass the word.

30 posted on 03/23/2009 8:37:59 AM PDT by Liz (I was like Snow White, then I drifted. Mae West (on liberalism.)
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To: Red Steel

The “author” of this piece of excrement has taken journalistic license by claiming that Abercrombie ever saw Ann pregnant and that he saw Jr as an infant. Even Abercrombie himself, in an email, to a constituent questioning Jr’s citizenship status skirted the issue and placed the matter squarely on the shoulders of DOH of HI. He also included an oddly worded phrase of knowing that Obama Sr and Ann had married and she “bore a son” in the same email. Just more of the same from the usual sources.


31 posted on 03/23/2009 9:04:20 AM PDT by Chief Engineer
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To: Red Steel

The fact that is has no co-sponsors shows how the Republicans are sickening cowards who are as useless as teats on a boar.

I never heard this claim from Abercrombie before:

>>>Abercrombie was friends with Obama’s parents when they were college students in Honolulu, back in the early 1960s, when Ann Dunham Obama was pregnant with the future president. He first met Barack Jr. as an infant.


32 posted on 03/23/2009 9:36:30 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gama Tamasi Ma Jyotir Gama)
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To: LucyT

APOLOGIZE, Abercrombie? That’s like making innocent victims of execution (as in China) pay for the bullets that kill them.


33 posted on 03/23/2009 9:39:41 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gama Tamasi Ma Jyotir Gama)
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To: justiceseeker93; Liz; AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; ...

Thanks for the pings, justiceseeker93 and liz.


34 posted on 03/23/2009 11:12:06 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: little jeremiah; Chief Engineer; Fred Nerks; Iowan; Calpernia; Smokin' Joe; Las Vegas Ron; ...
never heard this claim from Abercrombie before:

No one has heard it before because it is yet another lie, this time spoken by an elected Democrat Senator. He is trying to rewrite history.

35 posted on 03/23/2009 11:26:24 AM PDT by LucyT
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To: Polarik

Meant to ping you to #35.


36 posted on 03/23/2009 12:48:51 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: Red Steel
"The citizenship of someone who has reached the point of running for president of the United States is not really an issue."

That's the point: "How did an obscure Chicago lawyer rise from only being a community organizer to a vety short stint as Senator to becoming the President?"

37 posted on 03/23/2009 9:52:15 PM PDT by Polarik (I'm a birther, he's a birther, she's a birther, wouldn't you like to be a birther too?)
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To: Red Steel

Obama is such a disaster that the entire leftist MSM is kept busy putting out the fires he starts. Attacking anybody who isn’t a total leftie is a form of preventive medicine for them. When you have commie turds like Olbermann and Stewart/Leibowitz attacking you, you must be on the right track.


38 posted on 03/24/2009 12:55:54 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: Red Steel

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2213538/posts

Biden’s Gridiron Humor- Is Obama Laughing? - ALAN KEYES
America’s Independent Party ^ | March 24, 2009 | Alan Keyes

Posted on Tuesday, March 24, 2009 9:55:04 AM by EternalVigilance

Loyal to Liberty

Today WND reports that Congressman Bill Posey is being jeered at and ridiculed by the leftist media and some of his colleagues in the US Congress. Why? He dared to propose a piece of legislation “that would require future presidential candidates to document their eligibility.” Apparently the idea that people in Congress would actually fulfill their oaths of office and seek the information required to assure respect for the US Constitution is now considered insane.

Ridicule is a standard tactic of deceivers trying to discredit anyone who draws attention to their dishonesty. With respect to the eligibility issue, however, it requires very little thought and just a modicum of common sense to see through the ploy. The reason for mobilizing the jeering section is also clear. Admitting that in future it would be appropriate to verify the eligibility of candidates for President strongly implies that it would be appropriate to do so now.

The partisan and media hacks desperately seeking to marginalize the issue of Obama’s eligibility (including Vice-President Biden) must deal with one hard fact: Barack Obama has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars paying lawyers to prevent access to his full birth certificate and any other records that might have a bearing on the question of his citizenship status.

Given this fact, let’s for a moment ignore the Obama faction’s mobocratic tactics, and apply some common sense logic.

Either Obama has a reason for his behavior, or he doesn’t.

If he doesn’t, the behavior is irrational. Irrational behavior is generally not taken as conclusive evidence of sanity.

If Obama’s behavior is rational, then it’s logical to conclude that he wishes to keep from public view something contained in his full birth certificate, or other records that may reflect its content. Some fact not otherwise known is being hidden from the public. It may have a bearing on the issue of his Constitutional eligibility to serve as President, or it may not. In either case, he is so concerned about its possible public impact that he would rather damage the perceived authority of the Constitution (a direct violation of his sworn duty as a public official of the United States) than let it be known. It’s hard to imagine anything contained in a birth certificate that would be matter for such personal embarrassment as to justify this dereliction of public duty. No sane person, and I think especially no right thinking American, would hold an infant responsible for the sins or views of his parents. But perhaps merely avoiding personal embarrassment is not the reason for his efforts to conceal.

Assuming that Obama knows the contents of his full birth certificate, he would also know whether or not they contradict public statements he has made, or that his campaign made use of, about his background. In that case, the issue is not about the views or sins of his parents, but about his own less than candid behavior. Has he lied to the public about himself? Has he fabricated elements of his background in order to garner sympathy and support? Do these lies have a bearing on the Constitutional issue? Whether they do or not, sustained, conscious and orchestrated deception must have a definite bearing on the public’s appraisal of his character, his trustworthiness and therefore his suitability for the nation’s highest office of trust. If the election campaign he conducted was based on fictions and lies, was the outcome a valid reflection of the public’s will, or a manipulated result achieved by dint of fraud and deceit?

Though it’s generally considered bad form to explain a joke, I’ll take the risk of offering a reflection on Vice-President Biden’s telling joke about the birth certificate issue at the Gridiron dinner last weekend. “You know, I never realized just how much power Dick Cheny had until my first day on the job. I walked into my office, and you know how the outgoing president always leaves the incoming president a note in his desk?” he asked rhetorically. “I opened my drawer and Dick Cheney had left me Barack Obama’s birth certificate.” Now, on the surface this seems to be a joke about Dick Cheney’s ability to get what nobody else has access to. Not far from that surface, however, the joke is not about the power Cheney had, but about the power Biden would have if the full birth certificate were in his possession. It’s an aging maxim in this information age that ‘information is power.’ In this case, the information Obama desperately seeks to conceal represents power over him and therefore over the United States of America. Here’s the question: Who has that power? Biden may joke about it. I somehow doubt that Obama is laughing. And neither should we.


39 posted on 03/24/2009 1:01:45 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (Does Zer0 have any friends, who are not criminals, foreign/domestic terrorists, or tax evaders?)
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To: Liz

e verify was killed in the stimulas bill!!!


40 posted on 03/25/2009 11:10:57 PM PDT by CPT Clay (Pick up your weapon and follow me.)
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