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BISHOP D'ARCY: stop Obama: put Notre Dame under interdict (Vanity)
Anger, Love, and Pain | March 23, 2009 | Mrs. Don-o

Posted on 03/23/2009 1:40:16 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o

“We have invited the president and he's honored us by accepting," Jenkins said. "We are not ignoring the critical issue of the protection of life. On the contrary, we invited him because we care so much about those issues, and we hope for this to be the basis of an engagement with him."

Dear Bishop D’Arcy,

Does Fr. Jenkins think you, and the USCCB, and the Church --- all the rest of us --- are total idiots?

You don’t “engage” with a person who is embroiled in massive, murderous moral wrong by inviting him onto a floodlit, nationally-televised public platform and giving him an honorary Law Degree.

You “engage” by dialog, by debate, by challenge, by confrontation.

You use right respect, right reason, and right judgment.

Censure is called for.

Reprobation is called for.

“Judgment” is called for.

Fr. Jenkins’ defense of his decision to honor Barack Obama is simultaneously so smooth and so stupid, that I am convinced it expresses an underlying contempt.

How does this add up?

The selected man: the most consistent proponent of state-sanctioned killing of the innocent ever elected to public office in the United States. (*See accompanying list.)

The acts: comprehensive immediate material cooperation with unjust killing on a catastrophic scale *

The consequence: the highest honors a Catholic University can bestow.

The decision to an honorary Law Degree upon Barack Obama means at least two things:

• Obama’s record of advancing the practice of abortion, infanticide, and euthanasia means nothing so very dishonorable in the eyes of the leadership of the University of Notre Dame, and

• Notre Dame’s identity as a Catholic University means nothing that makes a dime’s worth of difference in its most public, identity-defining acts.

The defiance: Everyone knows that the “Parent-Teacher Organization” at the parish of “St. Otilie the Obscure” would not be allowed to invite an unrepentant Klansman, or anti-Semite, or pornographer, or abortion-promoter to accept a public honor.

Everyone bets, however, that President Obama is too big to disinvite, and Notre Dame is too big to discipline.

It’s bigger than the Diocese. It’s bigger than the Church. It’s bigger than God.

Bishop D’Arcy, if Notre Dame University pulls this off, it will mean to the hundreds of millions who are watching, Catholics and non-Catholics alike, that when push comes to shove, being Catholic doesn’t mean a goddamn thing.


But what can you do? God help us, what can you do?

Bishop D’Arcy, this is well within your authority as a Successor to the Apostles:

Require that the USCCB rule
be respected,
and that Notre Dame University must not give a
platform or honors to Barack Obama.

If they defy you,
put Notre Dame University under interdict.

I’m no canonist and I'm no Catherine of Siena – just an ordinary over-talking and under-performing sinner like the rest of us. But I beg you to take this suggestion seriously. This is as serious as a heart attack --- in the heart of the Church in America.

You have the ring, the mitre, and the crozier. The crozier means you are to protect the lambs and seriously dismay the wolves, and not the other way around.

As God’s most unworthy servant, I beg you.

[signed]


*Material cooperation with unjust killing and other intrinsically immoral acts.
A partial--- not a comprehensive --- list.

Infanticide (2002) The Induced Infant Liability Act would have protected the right to humane medical treatment and palliative care for babies that survived late-term abortions. As an Illinois legislator, Obama voted against it and finally killed it in committee.

Abortion: As a U.S. Senator, Barack Obama received the following scores on NARAL Pro-Choice America’s Congressional Record on Choice:

2007: 100 percent
2006: 100 percent
2005: 100 percent

Euthanasia: a deadly paradox: voted in 2005 (along with a unanimous U. S. Senate) in favor of the right of a brain-injured woman (Mrs. Terri Schiavo) to a Federal judicial review of a lower court’s decision that she should be starved and dehydrated to death. Subsequently, Obama repeatedly stated (e.g. during the first televised presidential primary debate on MSNBC) that that was the ONE vote he regretted during the time when he served in the U.S. Senate.

As President: among his first acts as U.S. President were his decisions to:

THIS --- AND THE LANDSLIDE OF LITIGATION THAT IT INVITES --- THREATENS THE ENTIRE CATHOLIC HEALTHCARE SYSTEM AND EVERY CONSCIENTIOUS HEALTHCARE WORKER IN AMERICA.


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First, please pray over this in a dispassionate manner. My own judgment is not entirely reliable when my strong feelings are aroused, although my dh says God gave me adrenalin for a good reason.

Then, please write very respectfully, very carefully, and very unambiguously to Bishop John M. D'Arcy.

He is reported to be a Catholic and a vertebrate.

Please considering making prominent use of the word "interdict."

Send two copies to the two chancery offices:

Bishop John D'Arcy
Fort Wayne Chancery
1103 S. Calhoun Street
Fort Wayne, IN 46801
(260) 422-4611

Bishop John D'Arcy
South Bend Chancery
114 W. Wayne Street
South Bend, IN 46601
(574) 234-0687


1 posted on 03/23/2009 1:40:16 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Didn’t ND try to pull something similar a year or two ago with another speaker and the alumni forced them to retract the offer by withholding donations?


2 posted on 03/23/2009 1:44:46 PM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Bishop D'Arcy needs to discuss this with Archbishop Charles Chaput of Denver. The right course of action can be found here:

http://www.zenit.org/article-25192?l=english

3 posted on 03/23/2009 1:45:28 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Too bad Ted Bundy is dead. I don’t believe he ever finished his legal degree. I am sure he would have loved to be engaged in discussions with Notre Dame’s coeds.


4 posted on 03/23/2009 1:45:50 PM PDT by Cyman
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To: Mrs. Don-o
You don’t “engage” with a person who is embroiled in massive, murderous moral wrong by inviting him onto a floodlit, nationally-televised public platform and giving him an honorary Law Degree.

Bingo. It seems Notre Dame is just trying to become another secular, liberal university.

5 posted on 03/23/2009 1:48:12 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Fr. Jenkins is a BAD Catholic! He is leading children on a wrong path.


6 posted on 03/23/2009 1:49:47 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion....the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I agree that Obama’s contempt for life is the fundamental issue here. But also, how on earth can the President of Notre Dame justify an honorary law degree to someone who has never done anything whatever in the fields of law or politics to deserve it?

As President of the Harvard Law Review he broke a long tradition by writing NOTHING for the review he headed.

As instructor of consititutional law in Chicago he argued that the Constitution need to be rewritten, but he never wrote a single scholarly article.

As a lawyer, he forced banks in Chicago to make subprime loans, leading to our current economic crisis.

As a politician, he did practically nothing in either of his two earlier positions, and he has so far done nothing as president, other than shirk his responsibilities, appoint numerous abortionists to top posts in his administration, and party.

Even aside from the basic issue that Obama is a death-dealer, what has he done to earn an honorary law degree? Nothing, zero, nada, zilch.


7 posted on 03/23/2009 1:51:23 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: don-o; advance_copy; Emperor Palpatine; Ann Archy; RobbyS; Chickpac; pepsionice; xsmommy; ...
Oh, by the way, "Interdict" means that no Sacraments, no Mass, no nothing can be celebrated at ND. It becomes sacramental "dead space."

ND actually has a large and active Catholic community, and about 130 Masses every week on campus. Interdict would be a severe mercy. It would be medicinal. It would be tough love. It would be not directed toward any individual, but toward Notre Dame itself as an institution under discipline.

It is a very solemn thing.

And it would blow the place sky high.

10 posted on 03/23/2009 1:58:46 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("I have a mustard seed, and I'm not afraid to use it." ---attributed to Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I’m not for punishing INNOCENT people because of a BAD PRIEST.


12 posted on 03/23/2009 2:00:14 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion....the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

It’s the University of Notre Dame not Notre Dame University. The latter is in Lebanon.


14 posted on 03/23/2009 2:04:05 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Outstanding. I do hope that the USCCB, Cardinal Levada, Cardinal Burke, or possibly even Pope Benedict XVI himself encourages Bishop D’Arcy to speak in the strongest possible terms with Fr. Jenkins.


15 posted on 03/23/2009 2:05:15 PM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Excellent letter and information. Thank you. I’ve begun my own letter.

Giving an honorary law degree to this man, is a symbol of approval, for all the laws he’s already signed and probably will sign against life. When he’s signing FOCA, he can have a photo-op waving this law degree from ND. A sign of approval. It’s beyond the pale.


16 posted on 03/23/2009 2:07:58 PM PDT by chase19
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Will Fr. Jenkins also propose that ND replace Touchdown Jesus with The Messiah?


17 posted on 03/23/2009 2:10:20 PM PDT by A_Former_Democrat
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To: Right Wing Assault
Thank you. I'll change that in future correspondence.
18 posted on 03/23/2009 2:14:06 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("I have a mustard seed, and I'm not afraid to use it." ---attributed to Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: Ann Archy
Actually, this doesn't "punish" anybody in the sense of excluding them from the Sacraments. It excludes the Sacraments from the Campus. Anyone can go off-campus to Mass, and of course I'm hoping thousands will.

The Bishop has canonical authority to do this, and do it quickly. As I understand it, it doesn't take a lot of rigmarole from Rome or anyplace else. No person is named. A PLACE is named. And the Bishop has total, undisputed authority to say where Mass and the Sacraments CAN and CANNOT be performed in his Diocese.

19 posted on 03/23/2009 2:18:43 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("I have a mustard seed, and I'm not afraid to use it." ---attributed to Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Sorry...but this is an AWFUL idea........Punish Fr. JENKIN....not the students.....or other faithful teachers and office people.


20 posted on 03/23/2009 2:21:42 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion....the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Cicero
how on earth can the President of Notre Dame justify an honorary law degree to someone who has never done anything whatever in the fields of law or politics to deserve it?

He needs the fake law diploma to balance out the fake birth certificate.

21 posted on 03/23/2009 2:24:04 PM PDT by A_Tradition_Continues (formerly known as Politicalwit ...05/28/98...Ain't no Newbie!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; NYer; Miss Marple; Miss Didi; Petronski; ELS; Salvation; Pyro7480; Alas Babylon!

Good .. God bless you. It’s so disgusting
to witness this.


22 posted on 03/23/2009 2:24:41 PM PDT by STARWISE (They (LIBS-STILL) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war- Richard Miniter)
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To: Kirkwood
Didn’t ND try to pull something similar a year or two ago with another speaker and the alumni forced them to retract the offer by withholding donations?

This is the answer. Oh, so what. The school can go to he!! as far as I care. Yes, institutions of lower learning. & the fish stinks from the head.

23 posted on 03/23/2009 2:25:41 PM PDT by Digger (If RINO is your selection, then failure is your election)
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To: Ann Archy
Ann Archy, I am concerned that you see this as a punishment of individuals. I may be wrong here (and if I am, canonists, set me straight) but as I understand it, the local bishop absolutely authorizes who can say Masses, and where they are said.

Visiting priests from other dioceses, for instance, are not supposed to say Mass without the local Bishop's permission. This is not an insult to visiting priests. I can't have a priest buddy say Mass in my garage; not without the bishop's permission. And this is not an insult to my garage. It's just an acknowledgment of the local bishop's jurisdiction.

If the ND leadership goes into a mode of direct defiance by rejecting both the USCCB requirement AND the local bishop's order that such people as Obama must not be honored, ND as an institution has become outlaw.

That doesn't mean evrybody in it is excommunicated or damned or any such thing; it just means when they go to Mass, they must go to Mass in an authorized place, because Masses on campus are no longer authorized.

The good thing about withdrawing permission for Mass on campus is that nobody is deprived of the Sacraments; only a place is restricted.

No punishment for an individual.

But a clear-as-daylight that ND as an institution has incurred due penalty for direct defiance of lawfully constituted authority.

25 posted on 03/23/2009 2:43:47 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("I have a mustard seed, and I'm not afraid to use it." ---attributed to Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
"...we hope for this to be the basis of an engagement with him."

I thought the whole Life thing was above his pay grade.

26 posted on 03/23/2009 2:46:46 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

3. Contact Fr. Jenkins: Call him at 574.631.5000, fax him at 574.631.2770, write a personal email president@nd.edu, or mail your letter to 317 Main Building, Notre Dame, IN 46556


27 posted on 03/23/2009 2:50:06 PM PDT by Diago (The Truth About Margaret Sanger at http://margaretsanger.blogspot.com/)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Obie tries to make buddies with Iran. They say, “Screw you.”

ND tries to make buddies with Obie. He’ll say, “Screw you.”


28 posted on 03/23/2009 2:51:58 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault
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To: Mrs. Don-o
OMG! You ARE punishing individuals who would have to go OFF Campus for Daily Mass and Confessions??? How in the WORLD does that make sense?

I can't get thru to you, so don't reply...OK?

29 posted on 03/23/2009 2:53:21 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion....the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

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32 posted on 03/23/2009 3:13:14 PM PDT by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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FReep the links above!


33 posted on 03/23/2009 3:29:46 PM PDT by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: M1Tanker; Salvation; Hebrews 11:6; diamond6; Frantzie; boomop1; JavaJumpy; SeafoodGumbo; ...
I understand the Cardinal Newman Society site is getting 270+ signatures PER MINUTE on their petition. Their wonderful president, Patrick Reilly, has flown to Rome and is flagging down everybody with a red hat.

Randy Terry's opening an office in South Bend.

And Joe Scheidler/Prolife Action League is on it like a duck on a junebug. Quote from his site:

"If Notre Dame does not disinvite Obama, Scheidler says, the Notre Dame campus can expect a massive pro-life protest on graduation day, including the use of large, graphic abortion pictures that show exactly what Barack Obama supports."

Looks like a high percentage of active ingredients.

+{{{:o)

Papal Smiley.

35 posted on 03/23/2009 3:54:40 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("I have a mustard seed, and I'm not afraid to use it." ---attributed to Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

The only problem with all this is that Bishop D’Arcy does not have any direct control over ND. He can suggest, he can refuse to attend, which he has in the past, but he can’t make them stop. ND is run by the Holy Cross Order.


37 posted on 03/23/2009 4:12:39 PM PDT by defconw (You can't reason someone out of a position they were never reasoned into to begin with.)
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To: defconw
Def, our good D'Arcy can rescind permission for the Mass to be celebrated on the ND campus. That is right square in the center of his undisputed authority as diocesan bishop. Even religious order priests like the CSC's would have to say Mass off-campus, and the good 'uns would understand perfectly why this was necessary.

At the same time, it woiuld be a powerful force putting other powerful forces in motion, resulting in a crisis that could well blindside the secular faction. And what we need more than anything else, is a salutary crisis. Business as usual will kill us. Kill us. Here and hereafter.

Meanwhile, would the word "interdict" enable the forces of secular hegemony turn our good Bishop D'Arcy into a Torquemada in the eyes of the Secular Press? Well, they would do that no matter what D'Arcy did, especially if it were effective. Let me repeat that idea: anything he does will turn him into "Torquemada," to exactly the degree that he is effective. We can't be checkmated by that.

But ---- really ---would the secular hegemons give flying figs whether Masses were moved off-campus? What I have in mind is that the honoring of Moloch-Obama ---and the open defiance of the USCCB in one of its (few) really worthwhile rulings --- is already desecrating Notre Dame, and interdict would recognize that fact.

Just the threat of it would be a powerful tocsin to arouse the faithful. It's a bishop's way of saying: this is serious as hell.

And the secular folk --- what could they object to, credibly? They're not worried about where they're goingto Mass! It's not like D'Arcy were messing with something sacred to them...

38 posted on 03/23/2009 4:43:27 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("I have a mustard seed, and I'm not afraid to use it." ---attributed to Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
I don't that it is within his purview. But I am not a Cannon lawyer either.
39 posted on 03/23/2009 4:56:36 PM PDT by defconw (You can't reason someone out of a position they were never reasoned into to begin with.)
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To: defconw; Forward the Light Brigade; Venturer; vladimir998; nickcarraway; Lady In Blue; NYer; ELS; ..
I'm pretty sure our good Bishop D'Arcy would have the authority to interdict Mass and the sacraments at ND. I'm dang sure he would have the authority to threaten it --- and it would be a pretty earth-shaking threat --- and let the canonists debate it from here to Rome or to the moon and back.

What matters is not what the academic canonists say. What matters is that the earth shakes under their feet.

A bishop is called to be a successor to the Apostles. Not like a scribe.

40 posted on 03/23/2009 5:05:12 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("I have a mustard seed, and I'm not afraid to use it." ---attributed to Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Notre Dame can go to h*ll. It is not a Catholic university but a sports business.

The American Catholic Church is becoming a libtard church that loves Obama. Don’t tell me there is NOT a American Catholic Church. They support ACORN, La Raza and other anti American and pro-abortion groups. Rome needs to clean house.


41 posted on 03/23/2009 5:28:18 PM PDT by Frantzie (Boycott GE - they own NBC, MSNBC, CNBC & Universal. Boycott Disney - they own ABC)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
I lived in Bishop D'Arcy’s Diocese until after I got married two years ago. I know Bishop D'Arcy. He will not threaten unless he has the authority. This is not the first time this has come up. Last time he did not attend the Graduation. So you can yell all you want, but I recall that a group of us talked to him about it at the time. I spent two years studying for “The Education for Ministry”, in Fort Wayne. I graduated that program. I do know what he said at the time. It's not up to him, were it, it would not have happened.
42 posted on 03/23/2009 5:58:03 PM PDT by defconw (You can't reason someone out of a position they were never reasoned into to begin with.)
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To: Ann Archy
The person who would be to blame for the interdict would be the President of Notre Dame, not the Bishop imposing the interdict. There are Catholic churches in South Bend that will pick up the slack until Jenkins and his cronies repent.
43 posted on 03/23/2009 7:45:44 PM PDT by utahagen
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To: Ann Archy
The innocent people at Notre Dame will be inconvenienced by an interdict, but they can attend churches within a short walk of campus. I imagine there are many good people at Notre Dame who will be glad to accept the inconvenience for the sake of the message being delivered to Jenkins. The Bishop must take decisive action in this case.
44 posted on 03/23/2009 7:48:05 PM PDT by utahagen
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To: Ann Archy
Where did you get the idea that going off-campus is such a hardship? I often go to Mass during the week and I walk much farther to get there than Notre Dame students will have to walk to attend mass off-campus. (I've visited the school.) Your view that it would be a nearly unbearable hardship for students to have to walk a few blocks to go to Mass and confession is wacky.
45 posted on 03/23/2009 7:51:42 PM PDT by utahagen
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To: utahagen

bump


46 posted on 03/24/2009 2:48:16 AM PDT by don-o (My son, Ben - Marine Private First Class - 1/16/09 - Parris Island, SC)
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To: utahagen
WHY make it difficult for INNOCENT people to receive Holy Communion?? My GOD, you people really do want to throw out the baby with the bathwater.

Now, if they want to RE-NAME Notre Dame and De-Sanctify the Chapel or Chapels and turn it into a TOTALLY SECULAR college, then fine.

47 posted on 03/24/2009 4:07:14 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion....the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Ann Archy
Adjust your meds.
48 posted on 03/24/2009 4:20:40 AM PDT by utahagen
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To: utahagen

Did you even bother to read my second sentence?


49 posted on 03/24/2009 4:25:45 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion....the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Ann Archy
Yes, I did. I think suspending Notre Dame's right to have Masses said on campus for a period of time, giving ND’s President a chance to rescind the invitation of Obama, would be a good idea. Likewise, if they go through with giving Obama an honorary degree, the Bishop should suspend the right say Mass on campus for a period of time, giving ND’s President a chance to publicly repent for having done that. If ND doesn't rescind or repent, the Bishop can consider taking the next step and stripping the school of its Catholic status. My earlier point was that it would be an inconvenience, but not a hardship, for students to have to go off campus for Mass. I think your reaction to the prospect of students’ having to walk a few blocks was overly dramatic.
50 posted on 03/24/2009 6:34:54 AM PDT by utahagen
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