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Physicist Receives Million-Pound Prize for Predicting a 'Hypercosmic God'
ICR ^ | March 24, 2009 | Jeffrey Tomkins, Ph.D.

Posted on 03/24/2009 1:45:20 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts

On March 16, 2009, the Templeton Foundation announced the winner of its annual 1 million pound sterling (1.42 million USD) prize, an amount that exceeds the payoff of the prestigious Nobel Prize...Dr. d’Espagnat was awarded the prize for his work using theoretical physics to predict the reality of a hypercosmic god, who exists outside of the physical universe...

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: cosmology; creation; evolution; foundation; intgelligentdesign; mechanics; quantum; templeton; templetonprize
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1 posted on 03/24/2009 1:45:21 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: metmom; DaveLoneRanger; editor-surveyor; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; MrB; GourmetDan; Fichori; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 03/24/2009 1:46:06 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

The Church’s funding problems are solved!!


3 posted on 03/24/2009 1:47:58 PM PDT by pgyanke (You have no "rights" that require an involuntary burden on another person. Period. - MrB)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Additionally, events in one dimension are able to simultaneously affect events in the other dimension and distance is not an issue, even though the second dimension is non-local.

In this model, there is no way to know this divine being or connect with him in a meaningful way.

It's one or the other.
You can't have it both ways.

If events in one dimension affect events in the other dimension then, logically, it should go both ways.

4 posted on 03/24/2009 1:53:36 PM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: GodGunsGuts

for reading later


5 posted on 03/24/2009 1:56:50 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("It's no exaggeration to say that the undecideds could go one way or the other." George Bush)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Dr. d’Espagnat was awarded the prize for his work using theoretical physics to predict the reality of a hypercosmic god, who exists outside of the physical universe...

"Who has measured the waters in the hollow of his hand, or with the breadth of his hand marked off the heavens?"
- Isaiah 40:12a

6 posted on 03/24/2009 1:58:04 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ( "Every country has the government it deserves" - Joseph Marie de Maistre)
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To: GodGunsGuts
In this model, there is no way to know this divine being or connect with him in a meaningful way. D’Espagnat’s notion of the impersonal/unknowable aspect of this god is not actually predicted by the model, but simply represents his own opinion on the matter.

Just his opinion and no predictions. He's worse than the evolutionists, but not worse than the religious fundamentalists.

7 posted on 03/24/2009 2:04:23 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Full disclosure. I am a Christian. But I don't see this as evidence of anything.

For what it's worth, if you could put God in a test tube and shake Him up with some litmus paper and watch it turn blue, would that God be worth worshiping?

Not in my opinion.

8 posted on 03/24/2009 2:12:47 PM PDT by chesley (A pox on both their houses. I've voted for my last RINO.)
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To: Just another Joe
If events in one dimension affect events in the other dimension then, logically, it should go both ways.

Paul Tillich dealt with this conumdrum by positing that all knowing about an other is through God, making of all relationships a triangle with no contact between the points of the base. The one dimensional aspect of God fits neatly with some aspects of string theory. Each particulate of matter is interdependent only insofar as it is linked with God, otherwise it is isolated. God is the glue that holds it all together. He is also the channel through which particulates know each other. We can not know God since He is the link to our knowing. This describes an absolutely personal God, not an abstract phenomenon.

9 posted on 03/24/2009 2:14:00 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (0 is the son of soulless slavers, not the son of soulful slaves.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Although d’Espagnat concedes the theological implications of the term “veiled reality,” he guards against using it as justification for specific religious doctrines which can be falsified by reason and facts.
10 posted on 03/24/2009 2:17:41 PM PDT by Boxen (There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
To prove God exists(in any form) or does not exist..
You must know WHat God is...
Who does?

Surely not this Templeton Primate..

11 posted on 03/24/2009 2:17:42 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: GodGunsGuts

That’s 4 million pounds/hour for his 15 minutes of fame. Not a bad hourly wage in these tough times.


12 posted on 03/24/2009 2:17:58 PM PDT by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli now reads "Oil the gun..eat the cannolis.")
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To: GodGunsGuts

We do not know what God is. God Himself does not know what He is, because He is not anything. Literally, God is not, because He transcends being.
- John Scotus Erigina, A.D. 840, as paraphrased by Philip K. Dick


13 posted on 03/24/2009 2:18:11 PM PDT by mdk1960
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To: GodGunsGuts

I’ll read this later.


14 posted on 03/24/2009 2:18:15 PM PDT by fso301
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To: GodGunsGuts

So God is a mouse!

Read “So Long and Thanks for all the Fish.” by the late Douglas Adams to see what I am talking about.


15 posted on 03/24/2009 2:19:36 PM PDT by Wacka
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From what little I can tell from the article, the prize is for “predicting.”

It reads to me like the scientific part is a restatement of Bell’s Theorem/EPR Paradox.


16 posted on 03/24/2009 2:23:29 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Well,that explains a lot. The theories of quantum mechanics also explain the afterlife.

Well, now you know that there is an invisible world and we live in it.


17 posted on 03/24/2009 2:23:47 PM PDT by Pinetop
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To: Wacka

Wrong book. Read all of his Hitchikers Guide to the Galaxy series.


18 posted on 03/24/2009 2:26:31 PM PDT by Wacka
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To: GodGunsGuts; Salamander
Where's my check?
19 posted on 03/24/2009 2:27:17 PM PDT by shibumi (" ..... then we will fight in the shade.")
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To: Amos the Prophet

Wow! It is strange to find someone who has figured this out in the same way that I have. I do think the String theory is the most plausible one for creation/God.


20 posted on 03/24/2009 2:28:55 PM PDT by WVNan (Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected.: Sun Tzu)
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To: shibumi

That’s true, we figured it out way before he did!


21 posted on 03/24/2009 2:29:50 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Amos the Prophet
Even so. if God can affect events in this dimension by actions in his dimension, then we, by actions in our dimension (praying, fasting, believing) should be able to affect events in God's dimension (getting his attention).

I'm taking as a given that the persons hypothesis is true.

22 posted on 03/24/2009 2:31:42 PM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: WVNan

I always thought Loop Quantum Gravity had a certain Byzantine character.


23 posted on 03/24/2009 2:33:32 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: shibumi

It’s in the mail.

Go wait by the box.


24 posted on 03/24/2009 2:42:06 PM PDT by Salamander (Like acid and oil on a madman's face, reason tends to fly away.......)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Read the “Current Project” on my homepage that I posted here over 4 years ago.


25 posted on 03/24/2009 2:43:09 PM PDT by shibumi (" ..... then we will fight in the shade.")
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To: shibumi

The Tao that can be known is not the Tao.

[substitute God for Tao and there you have it]....:))

God simply *is*.


26 posted on 03/24/2009 2:44:56 PM PDT by Salamander (Like acid and oil on a madman's face, reason tends to fly away.......)
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To: Amos the Prophet
Paul Tillich dealt with this conumdrum by positing that all knowing about an other is through God, making of all relationships a triangle with no contact between the points of the base. The one dimensional aspect of God fits neatly with some aspects of string theory. Each particulate of matter is interdependent only insofar as it is linked with God, otherwise it is isolated. God is the glue that holds it all together.

Col 1:17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

27 posted on 03/24/2009 3:06:34 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
In this model, there is no way to know this divine being or connect with him in a meaningful way.

This is good news?

28 posted on 03/24/2009 3:11:11 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

BTTT


29 posted on 03/24/2009 3:52:45 PM PDT by ADemocratNoMore (Jeepers, Freepers, where'd 'ya get those sleepers?. Pj people, exposing old media's lies.)
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To: Salamander
God simply *is*.

Does God have self awareness or know what *is* is, I ask with sincerity.

30 posted on 03/24/2009 3:58:32 PM PDT by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: varon

Unlike Bill Clinton, yes.


31 posted on 03/24/2009 4:00:34 PM PDT by Salamander (Like acid and oil on a madman's face, reason tends to fly away.......)
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To: GodGunsGuts

bfl


32 posted on 03/24/2009 5:37:59 PM PDT by Excellence (What Madoff is to finance Gore is to global warming.)
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To: Just another Joe

[[If events in one dimension affect events in the other dimension then, logically, it should go both ways]]

Not if there’s a check valve


33 posted on 03/24/2009 7:43:32 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: varon

[[Does God have self awareness or know what *is* is, I ask with sincerity.]]

Depends on when- if we know when when is, then we start to understand what is is


34 posted on 03/24/2009 7:48:17 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: Wacka

but the answer to life, the universe, and everthing is 42. I wonder if Slartibartfast knows the origins of the great flood. after all, he did create the fjords of norway.


35 posted on 03/24/2009 8:15:58 PM PDT by Nipplemancer (Abolish the DEA !)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Thanks for the ping!


36 posted on 03/24/2009 8:43:54 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Just another Joe
If events in one dimension affect events in the other dimension then, logically, it should go both ways.

Interesting principle. Let's test it. Give me one example in which your adulthood has affected your childhood.

Anyone?

37 posted on 03/24/2009 11:31:17 PM PDT by csense
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To: csense
Anyone?

Category error.

38 posted on 03/24/2009 11:37:14 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: dr_lew

Seems like I have the categories of time and space covered. Which category, or categories, are you referring to.


39 posted on 03/24/2009 11:47:37 PM PDT by csense
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To: csense

Adulthood and childhood are categories of future and past. Your challenge is exactly equivalent to saying, “If the past can affect the future, why can’t the future affect the past?”

The principle, enunciated by Lucretius, that “that cannot be touched which cannot be touched itself”, is sound insofar as it refers to objects conceived as persisting in time. “Adulthood” and “childhood” are not in this category. The closest correct version of your implied principle would be, “If the parent can affect the child, the child can affect the parent.”

Cf. “Dr. Diagoras” by Stanislav Lem


40 posted on 03/25/2009 12:19:26 AM PDT by dr_lew
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To: dr_lew
“that cannot be touched which cannot be touched itself”

Yikes. s/b "that cannot touch which may not be touched itself."

41 posted on 03/25/2009 12:28:44 AM PDT by dr_lew
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To: csense
Interesting principle. Let's test it. Give me one example in which your adulthood has affected your childhood.

Not apples to apples.

A more apt example would be - Give me one way that your adulthood ahs affected your spouses adulthood.

42 posted on 03/25/2009 6:03:04 AM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: WVNan
Wow! It is strange to find someone who has figured this out in the same way that I have. I do think the String theory is the most plausible one for creation/God.

Truth is universal and absolute. Its perception requires extraordinary perception. Congrats.

44 posted on 03/25/2009 7:42:23 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (0 is the son of soulless slavers, not the son of soulful slaves.)
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To: hosepipe
To prove God exists(in any form) or does not exist.. You must know WHat God is... Who does? Surely not this Templeton Primate..

Hence his inability to take the next logical step, one based on certain knowledge of which he has only some.

45 posted on 03/25/2009 7:44:25 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (0 is the son of soulless slavers, not the son of soulful slaves.)
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To: CottShop

“[[If events in one dimension affect events in the other dimension then, logically, it should go both ways]]

Not if there’s a check valve”

LOL Very good. God has asured us, however, that there is no check valve.


46 posted on 03/25/2009 7:47:46 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (0 is the son of soulless slavers, not the son of soulful slaves.)
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To: csense
Give me one example in which your adulthood has affected your childhood.

Since the past only lives within us, our current moods and experiences impact how we see events in our past, thus 'changing history'.

47 posted on 03/25/2009 7:49:11 AM PDT by LearnsFromMistakes
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To: csense
Give me one example in which your adulthood has affected your childhood.

If we experience but one dimension there is no time, rendering your query meaqningless.

48 posted on 03/25/2009 7:53:16 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (0 is the son of soulless slavers, not the son of soulful slaves.)
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To: hosepipe
To prove God exists(in any form) or does not exist.. You must know WHat God is... Who does?

Try this experiment with your cat...

If you have a small area rug or floor mat, lay your cat on top of it. Then drag the mat around with the cat on it. If your cat is just like mine, the cat will react to the carpet and try to attack it or scratch it.

Neither my cat nor yours (if you have one), is smart enough to understand cause and effect. It's not smart enough to understand that the mat is not alive, and it's not smart enough to realize that it's me dragging around the mat that's suddenly "come alive".

My point is that, we are just like cats in the overall scheme of the universe. Cats don't have the intelligence to understand some very basic concepts, such as cause and effect. We humans don't yet have the intelligence to understand the huge complexities of the universe. We may never grow big enough brains or intelligence to understand the universe or it's beginning. If there really is a God, then we are not capable of understanding His/Her/Its capabilities.
50 posted on 03/25/2009 8:19:06 AM PDT by adorno (Where is Branch 4?)
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