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Obama Youth Brigade: Church Attendance Forbidden
The Voice magazine ^ | March 24, 2009 | Jonas Clark

Posted on 03/24/2009 2:39:22 PM PDT by truthnomatterwhat

Is this the change you really voted for? President Obama has only been in office for two months. Now we have HR 1388. The Bill was sponsored by Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY) with 37 others. The Bill was introduced to the floor of the House of Representatives where both Republicans and Democrats voted 321-105 in favor. Next it goes to the Senate for a vote and then on to President Obama.

This bill’s title is called “Generations Invigorating Volunteerism and Education” (GIVE). It forms what some are calling “Obama’s Youth Brigade.” Obama’s plan is require anyone receiving school loans and others to serve at least three months as part of the brigade. His goal is one million youth! This has serious Nazi Germany overtones to it.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 111th; agenda; bho44; blackhitler; brownshirts; firstamendment; giveact; hitleryouth; marxistcommunist; naziamerica; nazigermany; obamabrownshirts; presidentobama; religiousfreedom; youthbrigade
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1 posted on 03/24/2009 2:39:24 PM PDT by truthnomatterwhat
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To: truthnomatterwhat

Can you say “Hitlerjugend”? I knew you could.


2 posted on 03/24/2009 2:42:10 PM PDT by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (Hitler was a great speaker too, and HE didn't need a teleprompter.)
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To: truthnomatterwhat
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3 posted on 03/24/2009 2:42:22 PM PDT by SkyDancer ('Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..' ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: truthnomatterwhat

Skimmed over it, is this correct: If someone gets student loans, they have to serve a minimum of 3 months of mandatory volunteer service, and they cannot partipate or even think about any religious activities during their confinement?


4 posted on 03/24/2009 2:43:08 PM PDT by NEMDF
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To: truthnomatterwhat

>>>>> The Bill was sponsored by Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY) with 37 others. <<<<<<<<

This is the same group that might have supported midnight basketball in the 90’s.

I’ve skimmed the bill, it’s another leftie boondoggle with better funding (bailout trickle-down $$$$) but nothing to be exceptionally feared.


5 posted on 03/24/2009 2:43:25 PM PDT by angkor
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To: truthnomatterwhat

I’m totally against this program and legislation, but it seems inaccurate to claim that it’s prohibiting participants from attending church. From my reading, the bill simply declares that religious activities do not qualify as “volunteering” under the terms of the program.


6 posted on 03/24/2009 2:44:49 PM PDT by irishjuggler
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To: SkyDancer

the only problem with those images is people think they’re a joke


7 posted on 03/24/2009 2:45:02 PM PDT by chuck_the_tv_out
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To: truthnomatterwhat

No doubt with significant brain washing as part of the 3 months.


8 posted on 03/24/2009 2:46:07 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Beware Obama's Reichstag Fire.)
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To: truthnomatterwhat

links not working for me.


9 posted on 03/24/2009 2:46:50 PM PDT by EggsAckley ("There's an Ethiopian in the fuel supply." W.C Fields)
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To: truthnomatterwhat

I can’t pull up the site. What part of the bill prohibits church attendance? What does it say?


10 posted on 03/24/2009 2:46:55 PM PDT by AngieGal
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To: truthnomatterwhat

Database Error: Unable to connect to the database:Could not connect to MySQL


11 posted on 03/24/2009 2:47:27 PM PDT by Fawn (http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=v8320y&s=5)
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To: truthnomatterwhat
I'd like to see obama recruit some Muslims with this.

Oh! But Islam advocates murdering unbelievers and terrorism so that would be allowed unlike judaism and Christianity which would be outlawed under the new regime.

12 posted on 03/24/2009 2:47:40 PM PDT by mainestategop (MAINE: The way communism should be)
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To: truthnomatterwhat

What’s short for National Civilian Community Corps?

a) NCCC

b) NatC’s


13 posted on 03/24/2009 2:47:47 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 64 of our national holiday from reality.)
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To: chuck_the_tv_out

True - but eventually they will get the point across


14 posted on 03/24/2009 2:47:56 PM PDT by SkyDancer ('Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..' ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: truthnomatterwhat

btt


15 posted on 03/24/2009 2:48:00 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: irishjuggler
""religious activities do not qualify as “volunteering” under the terms of the program.""

I think your right, but it is still wrong....

16 posted on 03/24/2009 2:48:34 PM PDT by just me (Children should be educated and instructed in the principles of freedom. (John Adams)
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To: truthnomatterwhat

Section 125 (42 U.S.C. 12575) is amended to read as follows:

SEC. 125. PROHIBITED ACTIVITIES AND INELIGIBLE ORGANIZATIONS.

(a) Prohibited Activities- A participant in an approved national service position under this subtitle may not engage in the following activities:

(1) Attempting to influence legislation.

(2) Organizing or engaging in protests, petitions, boycotts, or strikes.

(7) Engaging in religious instruction, conducting worship services, providing instruction as part of a program that includes mandatory religious instruction or worship, constructing or operating facilities devoted to religious instruction or worship, maintaining facilities primarily or inherently devoted to religious instruction or worship, or engaging in any form of religious proselytization.


17 posted on 03/24/2009 2:48:36 PM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: truthnomatterwhat

Read the House version here:

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c111:3:./temp/~c1111WeQ2h:e12564:


18 posted on 03/24/2009 2:49:37 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Looking for our Sam Adams)
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To: truthnomatterwhat
This is the typical Marxist youth group: a vast resource for the totalitarian "democrat" party to enforce its status as a permanent regime, along with the ACORN thugs.

I am now of the opinion that the communists won the Cold War.


19 posted on 03/24/2009 2:50:37 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember (When the past no longer illuminates the future, the spirit walks in darkness.)
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To: truthnomatterwhat

This has serious Nazi Germany overtones to it. ....................... Oh? Do my grand children have to mandatory register for the Young Folk at age 8? Looks like they’re trying to get a little work out of those getting $$ for education. Too much BS going around about his, too much over reacting. I can’t see anything like a Hitler Youth movement happening anywhere in the USA, either on the right or the left. All this is Chicken Little garbage.


20 posted on 03/24/2009 2:50:56 PM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (Liberals fear the return of The Cleaver Family.)
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To: chuck_the_tv_out
Articles like this make me wonder what my great-uncles thought of Hitler back in the late-1920's and early-1930's. Of course back then you didn't have the internet to provide you with news like this, so they were dependent upon the state-controlled media for all of their news, which was carefully screened.

Sounds familiar doesn't it...CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, etc...

21 posted on 03/24/2009 2:51:44 PM PDT by Stonewall Jackson (Put your trust in God; but mind to keep your powder dry. - Oliver Cromwell)
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To: truthnomatterwhat

You’re an idiot.


22 posted on 03/24/2009 2:52:38 PM PDT by VaBthang4 ("He Who Watches Over Israel Will Neither Slumber Nor Sleep")
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To: Just another Joe

I think it means you can’t do religious work as part of the “service.” That said, the whole bill is horrible and needs to be defeated.


23 posted on 03/24/2009 2:52:59 PM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Be prepared for tough times. FReepmail me to learn about our survival thread!)
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To: FormerACLUmember

Does that say “Si se puede” in Russian?


24 posted on 03/24/2009 2:54:34 PM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Be prepared for tough times. FReepmail me to learn about our survival thread!)
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To: truthnomatterwhat

“Bite Me!” comes to mind.


25 posted on 03/24/2009 2:56:24 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (A trillion here, a trillion there, and pretty soon you are talking about Zimbabwe money.)
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion
I think it means you can’t do religious work as part of the “service.” That said, the whole bill is horrible and needs to be defeated.

That's not what it says. Read it with a strict interpratation, which is what the libs will do. No penumbras on this one.

Prohibited Activities- A participant in an approved national service position under this subtitle may not engage in the following activities:

26 posted on 03/24/2009 2:56:39 PM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: truthnomatterwhat

Separation of church and state — carried to an extreme.


27 posted on 03/24/2009 2:56:45 PM PDT by OldNavyVet
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To: SkyDancer

Where can I get an Obama Youth Knife?


28 posted on 03/24/2009 2:57:08 PM PDT by 03A3
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To: truthnomatterwhat

Cannon fodder!


29 posted on 03/24/2009 2:57:30 PM PDT by Vision Thing
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion

“I think it means you can’t do religious work as part of the “service.””

Read it again. Words mean things.


30 posted on 03/24/2009 2:58:08 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: EggsAckley; AngieGal; Fawn

Try this link. There’s also a CRS summary that you may find worth reading.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d111:h.r.01388:


31 posted on 03/24/2009 3:03:04 PM PDT by Canedawg (Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press.)
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To: Fawn

That site is getting too much traffic because I posted this, I think...

I guess that’s a good thing for them :(


32 posted on 03/24/2009 3:03:11 PM PDT by truthnomatterwhat (Forward this all over!)
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To: truthnomatterwhat

They would be FAR better off volunteering for the one of the reserve components or (heaven forbid) active duty!


33 posted on 03/24/2009 3:03:23 PM PDT by MSF BU (++)
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To: Just another Joe
Anyone want to guess how long it will be before the Black Church exemption gets added?

Would this exclude volunteering at church soup kitchens, or anything that Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson does?

-PJ

34 posted on 03/24/2009 3:03:49 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (You can never overestimate the Democrats' ability to overplay their hand.)
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers
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35 posted on 03/24/2009 3:05:23 PM PDT by MtnMan101 (THE PROBLEM WITH SOCIALISUM IS THAT YOU EVENTUALLY RUN OUT OF OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY)
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To: Just another Joe

Okay...could you flesh this out...before I shoot my PC!~?


36 posted on 03/24/2009 3:05:57 PM PDT by Osage Orange (Our constitution protects aliens, drunks and U.S. Senators. -Will Rogers)
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To: Just another Joe

It could be read that way. Defeat the bill!!


37 posted on 03/24/2009 3:06:33 PM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Be prepared for tough times. FReepmail me to learn about our survival thread!)
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To: mainestategop

***I’d like to see obama recruit some Muslims with this***

Good point.

Zero might try to keep Christian kids out of church...

but there’s NO WAY he would have the guts to deny Muzzie kids their right to face Mecca 5 times a day.


38 posted on 03/24/2009 3:06:35 PM PDT by Mrs.Z
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To: AngieGal

“The Bill would forbid any student in the brigade to participate in “engaging in religious instruction, conducting worship services, providing instruction as part of a program that includes mandatory religious instruction or worship, constructing or operating facilities devoted to religious instruction or worship, maintaining facilities primarily or inherently devoted to religious instruction or worship, or engaging in any form of religious proselytization.” That means no church attendance or witnessing.”

I wonder how many black Jehovah’s Witnesses voted for Obama? That is a largely black religion (not positive of the percentage) and they are serious about their proselytizations.


39 posted on 03/24/2009 3:07:08 PM PDT by autumnraine (Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose- Kris Kristoferrson VIVA LA REVOLUTION!)
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To: SkyDancer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yp7lGqWRnls


40 posted on 03/24/2009 3:07:50 PM PDT by Dick Bachert
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To: truthnomatterwhat

Welcome to the USAS, United Socialist American States
Themaskcomes off our Socialist President and he begins the dismantling of America from within....


41 posted on 03/24/2009 3:08:00 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Coming to You From the Front Lines of Occupied America)
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To: Rebelbase

That link proves nothing. I want to read a paragraph or a page just prior to the line that reads:

prohibited activities and ineligible organizations.

It’s just not logical. Clearly it is describing activities that will not be allowed to count towards the 3 month minimum service.


42 posted on 03/24/2009 3:08:56 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: truthnomatterwhat

bookmark


43 posted on 03/24/2009 3:12:12 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: EggsAckley

Is this the change you really voted for? President Obama has only been in office for two months. Now we have HR 1388. The Bill was sponsored by Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY) with 37 others. The Bill was introduced to the floor of the House of Representatives where both Republicans and Democrats voted 321-105 in favor. Next it goes to the Senate for a vote and then on to President Obama.

This bill’s title is called “Generations Invigorating Volunteerism and Education” (GIVE). It forms what some are calling “Obama’s Youth Brigade.” Obama’s plan is require anyone receiving school loans and others to serve at least three months as part of the brigade. His goal is one million youth! This has serious Nazi Germany overtones to it.

The Bill would forbid any student in the brigade to participate in “engaging in religious instruction, conducting worship services, providing instruction as part of a program that includes mandatory religious instruction or worship, constructing or operating facilities devoted to religious instruction or worship, maintaining facilities primarily or inherently devoted to religious instruction or worship, or engaging in any form of religious proselytization.” That means no church attendance or witnessing.

Again, is this what America voted for? Here is part of the HR1388 Bill’s wording:

SEC. 1304. PROHIBITED ACTIVITIES AND INELIGIBLE ORGANIZATIONS.

Section 125 (42 U.S.C. 12575) is amended to read as follows:

SEC. 125. PROHIBITED ACTIVITIES AND INELIGIBLE ORGANIZATIONS.

(a) Prohibited Activities- A participant in an approved national service position under this subtitle may not engage in the following activities:

(1) Attempting to influence legislation.

(2) Organizing or engaging in protests, petitions, boycotts, or strikes.

(7) Engaging in religious instruction, conducting worship services, providing instruction as part of a program that includes mandatory religious instruction or worship, constructing or operating facilities devoted to religious instruction or worship, maintaining facilities primarily or inherently devoted to religious instruction or worship, or engaging in any form of religious proselytization.


44 posted on 03/24/2009 3:12:38 PM PDT by WellyP (obama must go!)
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To: truthnomatterwhat

Obama. No other gods before the One


45 posted on 03/24/2009 3:13:17 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
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To: irishjuggler

It MAY be that these activities do not qualify as eligible for the volunteer program but that’s not how it’s worded.

Prohibited Activities.—A participant in an approved national service position under this subtitle may not engage in the following activities:

(1) Attempting to influence legislation.

(2) Organizing or engaging in protests, petitions, boycotts, or strikes.

(3) Assisting, promoting, or deterring union organizing.

(4) Impairing existing contracts for services or collective bargaining agreements.

(5) Engaging in partisan political activities, or other activities designed to influence the outcome of an election to any public office.

(6) Participating in, or endorsing, events or activities that are likely to include advocacy for or against political parties, political platforms, political candidates, proposed legislation, or elected officials.

(7) Engaging in religious instruction, conducting worship services, providing instruction as part of a program that includes mandatory religious instruction or worship, constructing or operating facilities devoted to religious instruction or worship, maintaining facilities primarily or inherently devoted to religious instruction or worship, or engaging in any form of religious proselytization.


46 posted on 03/24/2009 3:15:53 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Just another Joe; TenthAmendmentChampion
You should have added sections 9 and 10

`(9) Conducting a voter registration drive or using Corporation funds to conduct a voter registration drive.

`(10) Such other activities as the Corporation may prohibit.

47 posted on 03/24/2009 3:16:00 PM PDT by raybbr (It's going to get a lot worse now that the anchor babies are voting!)
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To: null and void

Good one. If the shoe fits.....


48 posted on 03/24/2009 3:16:28 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

If the Jack Boot fits...


49 posted on 03/24/2009 3:17:34 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 64 of our national holiday from reality.)
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To: 1000 silverlings

read my tagline


50 posted on 03/24/2009 3:17:59 PM PDT by freebird5850 (O-Bomba is not the Messia. Jesus was a carpenter and could build a cabinet!)
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