Posted on 03/25/2009 4:19:49 AM PDT by AJMCQ
The words “natural born” are depicted in fact. The word “Citizenship” relates to a legal status. “Citizen” when used alone is defined within the US constitution in Amendment XIV to describe what persons would fall into the category of US Citizenship. There also are several points of reference describing US citizenship including USC Title 8 and precedent setting cases (US v. Wong Kim Ark and Perkins v Elg). Meanwhile there are no laws or precedents existing to describe those who may or may not be a “natural born Citizen”. This is most likely because “natural born citizen” is not a legal status. It is a statement of fact. The other reason is because this unique qualification only applies to the President of the United States. To the best of my knowledge, there are no other distinctions between a “citizen” (natural, native, naturalized, or other) and a natural born Citizen. The qualifier “natural born” means that one’s “Citizenship” is absent of ambiguity – meaning both of your parents were US citizens & you were born on US soil. According to the writings of the framers of the constitution, this qualifier was put in to avoid any loyalties to any other country and at the time in particular, England. Provisions were put in to allow those who were Citizens at the time of the signing to become President.
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I believe it also applies to the Vice President.
But doesn't the Constitution have a clause about having a fax of a copy of a newspaper birth announcement?
Hey, Snopes said there’s nothing to all this/sarc
LOL
Are you sure about both the parents?
By this definition neither candidate was a natural born citizen. Nor is Bobby Jindal.
Well it’s been “Twittered to death”.
People should pay attention to this COLB issue. It might be the only way to get rid of him. However, if Sheriff Joe takes over, he’d probably have a stroke in the first week from the excitement. Then someone would most likely choke Nancy in her sleep. Followed by Hillary. She’s actually looking pretty good right now.
Interesting. Henry Kissinger was Secretary of State, so he would normally be in the line of succession to be President.
But Kissinger was foreign born.
No, the real bc should do it. However, there’s lots of $$$$ being used to keep it sealed so until the Supremes stop throwing the case in the trash we are stuck with him.
PING
The Twelfth Amendment says no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.
Article II.1.5 says No Person except a natural born Citizen [...] shall be eligible to the Office of President;
Sounds like Kissinger would NOT have been eligible.
and bump!
Thank for doing the research Izzy Dunne.
Let 0dumbo go back to Kenya or Indonesia or wherever.
If Obama is found ineligible, then Biden is ineligible too.
If the Obama electoral ticket was invalid then Biden is no more President than I am.
Which means he would have been passed over in the line of succession had it ever gotten that far. After the President pro tem of the Senate would have come the Secretary of the Treasury.
The ticket would not be invalidated. Obama may be found ineligible but Biden is. Should that happen then Biden would be president. Just as if Obama had died or been impeached.
Its not going anywhere.
If, today, someone PROVED Obama was born in Kenya, was a citizen of Indonesia, etc., by tomorrow Congress would passed something to enable Obama to be President.
And most of the idiot ‘Pubbies would have voted for it.
Congress cannot amend the Constitution.
It would be as convoluted as the tax code if they could...
The VP simply must meet all the same eligibility criteria as the President (and be from a different state).
It’s going to be a busy day, folks.
The 1st amendment says “Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech...” but there is CFR.
The 2nd Amendment says “...shall not be be infringed” but there are Federal gun control laws.
The 5th Amendment says “No person shall be... deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.” but we have RICO and Imminent Domain and various perversions of wildlife and wetlands protection acts. Not to mention abortion.
Seems to me there is plenty of precedent for bypassing the Constitution through few carefully worded laws.
As AJMCO noted, "This is not going to go away Mr. Soetoro!"
Proud to be a long time birther in the Rebirth of Birthers!
If the Obama electoral ticket was invalid then Biden is no more President than I am.
That is what I've been hearing constitutional experts saying, and all the laws he's signed would be invalid too.
Your name truly fits your argument. Neither McCain or Jindal are the President, your point is moot.
Nice try
There is that...
The author is an idiot.
Natural born citizen means simply this...
By the natural act of being born, one had U.S. citizenship.
A natural born citizen is thus one who did not need a “naturalization” process to become a citizen, as by the natural act of being born they are a citizen.
>>> so until the Supremes stop throwing the case in the trash
The Supremes didn’t. Their CLERKS did.
http://defendourfreedoms.org/Dossier3.htm
Someone who spells could help with the dossier. Tempering (what one does to chocolate or steel) vs tampering (interfering in a harmful way) and brake (a device for stopping a vehicle) vs break (smash).
I know it is pickayune stuff, but it makes the document look like it was filed by someone who is uneducated.
Bring it on!!!
Proud to be a ‘birther’. ;-)
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Good point. President Pelosi - be scared, be very scared!
They aren’t throwing it in the trash, a clerk or clerks never passed it along to them. Bad clerk! Apparently being rectified now. It’s been discussed the last few days on a lot of threads. Here’s one link:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2214150/posts
Justice, Supremes confirm getting eligibility challenge
High fivin’ ya, Grampa Dave! hee hee -
You're correct, but logic will not hold back this tide of irrationality.
McCain was born on a military base which is considered to be US soil.
State, then Treasury.
-PJ
Yeah, the typos are much worse then the point and content.
Give us a staff and maybe improvement will follow.
Actually he wasn’t as there was no hospital on the military base, so his natural born status is also in question; at any rate, this has been discussed many times on these threads. But he definitely was NOT born on a US military base.
But John McCain WAS born to two U.S. citizens, and as such, under U.S. law, was a citizen at birth.
A citizen at birth is a “natural born” citizen; as opposed to a “naturalized” citizen that had to go through a legal process for citizenship.
That’s the claim that you’re making, and your arguments are not very compelling if being called “stupid” is your main one.
There are natural born citizens and naturalized citizens. There is no other category under the law.
As long as birthers are just making things up why not claim that “natural born” means born to two U.S. citizens on U.S. soil who were also both born on U.S. soil?
I mean as long as you would rather make things up than look at the law, the sky is the limit!
We’re talking about when Henry Kissinger was at State. Had something happened to everyone in the line of presidential succession above him, he would have been bypassed in favor of the Treasury secretary.
-PJ
No it is not. Being born on a U.S. soil means that the person is automatically a citizen per the 14th Amendment. But if a Panamanian national gave birth in the Canal zone or a German national gives birth on a U.S. base in Germany then in neither case is the baby a U.S. citizen of any kind.
Children born on U.S. bases abroad are considered natural born citizens because their parent or parents are U.S. citizens. However, that is in part what this whole arguement is about. By the strict definition of natural born citizen promoted by D'Onofrio and the author of this article, McCain is not a natural born U.S. citizen.
obumpa
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