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Natural Born is Not Ambiguous
Stupidica ^ | 3/24/2009 | Uncredited

Posted on 03/25/2009 4:19:49 AM PDT by AJMCQ

The words “natural born” are depicted in fact. The word “Citizenship” relates to a legal status. “Citizen” when used alone is defined within the US constitution in Amendment XIV to describe what persons would fall into the category of US Citizenship. There also are several points of reference describing US citizenship including USC Title 8 and precedent setting cases (US v. Wong Kim Ark and Perkins v Elg). Meanwhile there are no laws or precedents existing to describe those who may or may not be a “natural born Citizen”. This is most likely because “natural born citizen” is not a legal status. It is a statement of fact. The other reason is because this unique qualification only applies to the President of the United States. To the best of my knowledge, there are no other distinctions between a “citizen” (natural, native, naturalized, or other) and a natural born Citizen. The qualifier “natural born” means that one’s “Citizenship” is absent of ambiguity – meaning both of your parents were US citizens & you were born on US soil. According to the writings of the framers of the constitution, this qualifier was put in to avoid any loyalties to any other country and at the time in particular, England. Provisions were put in to allow those who were Citizens at the time of the signing to become President.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; birther; birtherrebirth; birthers; eligibility; naturalborn; usurper
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This is not going to go away Mr. Soetoro.
1 posted on 03/25/2009 4:19:49 AM PDT by AJMCQ
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To: AJMCQ
this unique qualification only applies to the President of the United States.

I believe it also applies to the Vice President.

But doesn't the Constitution have a clause about having a fax of a copy of a newspaper birth announcement?

2 posted on 03/25/2009 4:24:09 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Izzy Dunne

Hey, Snopes said there’s nothing to all this/sarc

LOL


3 posted on 03/25/2009 4:31:16 AM PDT by Freedom_Fighter_2001 (When money is no object - it's your money they're talking about)
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To: AJMCQ

Are you sure about both the parents?


4 posted on 03/25/2009 4:34:29 AM PDT by bgill
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To: AJMCQ

By this definition neither candidate was a natural born citizen. Nor is Bobby Jindal.


5 posted on 03/25/2009 4:40:42 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Freedom_Fighter_2001

Well it’s been “Twittered to death”.


6 posted on 03/25/2009 4:42:50 AM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: AJMCQ

People should pay attention to this COLB issue. It might be the only way to get rid of him. However, if Sheriff Joe takes over, he’d probably have a stroke in the first week from the excitement. Then someone would most likely choke Nancy in her sleep. Followed by Hillary. She’s actually looking pretty good right now.


7 posted on 03/25/2009 4:43:39 AM PDT by CanaGuy (Go Harper!)
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To: bgill
I guess you are saying that we are stuck with this imbecile.
8 posted on 03/25/2009 4:44:47 AM PDT by DooDahhhh (AMEN)
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To: Izzy Dunne
I believe it also applies to the Vice President.

Interesting. Henry Kissinger was Secretary of State, so he would normally be in the line of succession to be President.

But Kissinger was foreign born.

9 posted on 03/25/2009 4:51:22 AM PDT by syriacus (Who else but a sociopath attempts gallows humor in front of his victims?)
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To: DooDahhhh

No, the real bc should do it. However, there’s lots of $$$$ being used to keep it sealed so until the Supremes stop throwing the case in the trash we are stuck with him.


10 posted on 03/25/2009 4:53:04 AM PDT by bgill
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To: null and void; LucyT

PING


11 posted on 03/25/2009 5:00:57 AM PDT by stockpirate (April 15 join the tax revolt tea parties.)
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To: syriacus
I'm no scholar, but I wondered about that, as well.

The Twelfth Amendment says no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

Article II.1.5 says No Person except a natural born Citizen [...] shall be eligible to the Office of President;

Sounds like Kissinger would NOT have been eligible.

12 posted on 03/25/2009 5:03:02 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: stockpirate

and bump!


13 posted on 03/25/2009 5:13:57 AM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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To: Izzy Dunne

Thank for doing the research Izzy Dunne.


14 posted on 03/25/2009 5:16:07 AM PDT by syriacus (Who else but a sociopath attempts gallows humor in front of his victims?)
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To: AJMCQ; dennisw; Jeremiah Jr
Basically what we are dealing with here is the seed of Satan, wherever it was spawned. Zero has no records, no history, no name. Here's all you need to know...


15 posted on 03/25/2009 5:17:38 AM PDT by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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To: CanaGuy
Joe Biden is an idiot, but at least he's OUR idiot - natural born. At least I don't get the impression he is out to intentionally destroy this Country. To him it would be just a by-product.

Let 0dumbo go back to Kenya or Indonesia or wherever.

16 posted on 03/25/2009 5:25:42 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Just your average Whitey clinging to my guns and religion! FUBO Kenyan Usurper- baby killing muslim)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

If Obama is found ineligible, then Biden is ineligible too.

If the Obama electoral ticket was invalid then Biden is no more President than I am.


17 posted on 03/25/2009 5:38:01 AM PDT by agere_contra (So ... where's the birth certificate?)
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To: syriacus
But Kissinger was foreign born.

Which means he would have been passed over in the line of succession had it ever gotten that far. After the President pro tem of the Senate would have come the Secretary of the Treasury.

18 posted on 03/25/2009 5:43:09 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: agere_contra
If the Obama electoral ticket was invalid then Biden is no more President than I am.

The ticket would not be invalidated. Obama may be found ineligible but Biden is. Should that happen then Biden would be president. Just as if Obama had died or been impeached.

19 posted on 03/25/2009 5:44:41 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: AJMCQ

Its not going anywhere.
If, today, someone PROVED Obama was born in Kenya, was a citizen of Indonesia, etc., by tomorrow Congress would passed something to enable Obama to be President.
And most of the idiot ‘Pubbies would have voted for it.


20 posted on 03/25/2009 6:24:54 AM PDT by Little Ray (Do we have a Plan B?)
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To: Little Ray

Congress cannot amend the Constitution.

It would be as convoluted as the tax code if they could...


21 posted on 03/25/2009 6:30:55 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 65 of our national holiday from reality.)
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To: Izzy Dunne
"I believe it also applies to the Vice President."

The VP simply must meet all the same eligibility criteria as the President (and be from a different state).

22 posted on 03/25/2009 6:32:35 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: stockpirate; Amityschild; Calpernia; ~Kim4VRWC's~; 1COUNTER-MORTER-68; 21stCenturyFreeThinker; ...

It’s going to be a busy day, folks.


23 posted on 03/25/2009 6:32:47 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 65 of our national holiday from reality.)
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To: null and void
I dunno.

The 1st amendment says “Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech...” but there is CFR.

The 2nd Amendment says “...shall not be be infringed” but there are Federal gun control laws.

The 5th Amendment says “No person shall be... deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.” but we have RICO and Imminent Domain and various perversions of wildlife and wetlands protection acts. Not to mention abortion.

Seems to me there is plenty of precedent for bypassing the Constitution through few carefully worded laws.

24 posted on 03/25/2009 6:40:02 AM PDT by Little Ray (Do we have a Plan B?)
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To: AJMCQ; null and void; pissant; BIGLOOK; LucyT; SE Mom; Beckwith; Fred Nerks
This issue has moved way beyond a few hundred of us, labeled idiots by the elites on FR condemning us like we were the enemies.

As AJMCO noted, "This is not going to go away Mr. Soetoro!"

Proud to be a long time birther in the Rebirth of Birthers!

25 posted on 03/25/2009 6:42:26 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Does Zer0 have any friends, who are not criminals, foreign/domestic terrorists, or tax evaders?)
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To: agere_contra
If Obama is found ineligible, then Biden is ineligible too.

If the Obama electoral ticket was invalid then Biden is no more President than I am.

That is what I've been hearing constitutional experts saying, and all the laws he's signed would be invalid too.

26 posted on 03/25/2009 6:43:00 AM PDT by YellowRoseofTx (Evil is not the opposite of God; it's the absence of God)
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To: Non-Sequitur
By this definition neither candidate was a natural born citizen. Nor is Bobby Jindal.

Your name truly fits your argument. Neither McCain or Jindal are the President, your point is moot.

Nice try

27 posted on 03/25/2009 7:03:26 AM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Wake up people, AIG executives are not the enemy, your Government is!)
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To: Non-Sequitur
By this definition neither candidate was a natural born citizen. Nor is Bobby Jindal.

Neither is my older brother for that matter. (LOL!)

My dad was born in Norway in ’23 and came here when he was about 7 years old. Right after Pearl Harbor, he tried to enlist in the military but was turned down because he wasn’t a citizen. A year later he was drafted and served with honor in an infantry unit in the South Pacific.

I’ve been helping my niece with her Ancestry.com project and last weekend I brought a metal box containing all my dad’s papers – among them, birth certificates, his Army life insurance policy, his discharge papers and his naturalization document.

He didn’t officially become a naturalized citizen until 1950; a year after my brother was born. But interestingly I also found a letter from one of his commanders during the war that shows he attempted to get naturalized while in the army but the government lost his initial paperwork.

I recall my father telling me that the judge conducting the swearing ceremony told my dad it was only a formality since when he took the oath of military service and his distinguished service record that had already become a citizen.

I don’t know if that’s legally true or not or whether or not my brother is a “natural born” citizen, but I’ve had great fun telling my brother that he isn’t, were as I am. :),
28 posted on 03/25/2009 7:05:08 AM PDT by Caramelgal (When the past no longer illuminates the future, the spirit walks in darkness.)
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To: Little Ray

There is that...


29 posted on 03/25/2009 7:19:44 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 65 of our national holiday from reality.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

The author is an idiot.

Natural born citizen means simply this...

By the natural act of being born, one had U.S. citizenship.

A natural born citizen is thus one who did not need a “naturalization” process to become a citizen, as by the natural act of being born they are a citizen.


30 posted on 03/25/2009 7:22:10 AM PDT by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
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To: bgill

>>> so until the Supremes stop throwing the case in the trash

The Supremes didn’t. Their CLERKS did.

http://defendourfreedoms.org/Dossier3.htm


31 posted on 03/25/2009 7:31:42 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Calpernia

Someone who spells could help with the dossier. Tempering (what one does to chocolate or steel) vs tampering (interfering in a harmful way) and brake (a device for stopping a vehicle) vs break (smash).

I know it is pickayune stuff, but it makes the document look like it was filed by someone who is uneducated.


32 posted on 03/25/2009 8:18:41 AM PDT by Grammy
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To: null and void

Bring it on!!!

Proud to be a ‘birther’. ;-)


33 posted on 03/25/2009 8:27:34 AM PDT by Velveeta
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34 posted on 03/25/2009 8:27:39 AM PDT by patriot08
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To: All

Dr. Orly addresses Roberts:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9O9usBeg9Y

Dr Orly on G Gordy Liddy:
http://feeds.radioamerica.org/podcast/GGL/audio/Liddy_mon_23-03-09_H1.mp3


35 posted on 03/25/2009 8:29:51 AM PDT by patriot08
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To: agere_contra

Good point. President Pelosi - be scared, be very scared!


36 posted on 03/25/2009 9:29:00 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Just your average Whitey clinging to my guns and religion! FUBO Kenyan Usurper- baby killing muslim)
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To: bgill

They aren’t throwing it in the trash, a clerk or clerks never passed it along to them. Bad clerk! Apparently being rectified now. It’s been discussed the last few days on a lot of threads. Here’s one link:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2214150/posts
Justice, Supremes confirm getting eligibility challenge


37 posted on 03/25/2009 12:21:11 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gama Tamasi Ma Jyotir Gama)
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To: Grampa Dave

High fivin’ ya, Grampa Dave! hee hee -


38 posted on 03/25/2009 12:22:49 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gama Tamasi Ma Jyotir Gama)
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To: allmendream
A natural born citizen is thus one who did not need a “naturalization” process to become a citizen, as by the natural act of being born they are a citizen.

You're correct, but logic will not hold back this tide of irrationality.

39 posted on 03/25/2009 12:34:30 PM PDT by Sloth (The tree of liberty desperately needs watering.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

McCain was born on a military base which is considered to be US soil.


40 posted on 03/25/2009 12:53:24 PM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Which means he would have been passed over in the line of succession had it ever gotten that far. After the President pro tem of the Senate would have come the Secretary of the Treasury.

State, then Treasury.

-PJ

41 posted on 03/25/2009 1:00:54 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (You can never overestimate the Democrats' ability to overplay their hand.)
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To: Grammy

Yeah, the typos are much worse then the point and content.

Give us a staff and maybe improvement will follow.


42 posted on 03/25/2009 1:04:07 PM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

Actually he wasn’t as there was no hospital on the military base, so his natural born status is also in question; at any rate, this has been discussed many times on these threads. But he definitely was NOT born on a US military base.


43 posted on 03/25/2009 1:04:23 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gama Tamasi Ma Jyotir Gama)
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To: little jeremiah

But John McCain WAS born to two U.S. citizens, and as such, under U.S. law, was a citizen at birth.

A citizen at birth is a “natural born” citizen; as opposed to a “naturalized” citizen that had to go through a legal process for citizenship.


44 posted on 03/25/2009 1:07:24 PM PDT by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
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To: allmendream

That’s the claim that you’re making, and your arguments are not very compelling if being called “stupid” is your main one.


45 posted on 03/25/2009 1:13:43 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gama Tamasi Ma Jyotir Gama)
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To: little jeremiah
It is the claim that is true.

There are natural born citizens and naturalized citizens. There is no other category under the law.

As long as birthers are just making things up why not claim that “natural born” means born to two U.S. citizens on U.S. soil who were also both born on U.S. soil?

I mean as long as you would rather make things up than look at the law, the sky is the limit!

46 posted on 03/25/2009 1:17:25 PM PDT by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
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To: Political Junkie Too

We’re talking about when Henry Kissinger was at State. Had something happened to everyone in the line of presidential succession above him, he would have been bypassed in favor of the Treasury secretary.


47 posted on 03/25/2009 1:21:48 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
Oh, that makes sense. I thought you were talking generally, I guess I lost the thread of the thread.

-PJ

48 posted on 03/25/2009 1:24:54 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (You can never overestimate the Democrats' ability to overplay their hand.)
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To: 2nd amendment mama
McCain was born on a military base which is considered to be US soil.

No it is not. Being born on a U.S. soil means that the person is automatically a citizen per the 14th Amendment. But if a Panamanian national gave birth in the Canal zone or a German national gives birth on a U.S. base in Germany then in neither case is the baby a U.S. citizen of any kind.

Children born on U.S. bases abroad are considered natural born citizens because their parent or parents are U.S. citizens. However, that is in part what this whole arguement is about. By the strict definition of natural born citizen promoted by D'Onofrio and the author of this article, McCain is not a natural born U.S. citizen.

49 posted on 03/25/2009 1:28:52 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: AJMCQ

obumpa


50 posted on 03/25/2009 5:26:50 PM PDT by Dajjal (Obama is an Ericksonian NLP hypnotist.)
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