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Hollister v. Soetoro (Obama); Attorney John D. Hemenway reprimanded for bringing suit
United District Court; District of Columbia | Mar 24, 2009 | JAMES ROBERTSON

Posted on 03/25/2009 6:51:50 AM PDT by SvenMagnussen

GREGORY S. HOLLISTER, Plaintiff, v. : Civil Action No. 08-2254 (JR) BARRY SOETORO, et al., Defendants.

MEMORANDUM ORDER

We live in a free country. Our liberties are manifold and are the envy of the world. In the very top tier of those liberties, enshrined in the First Amendment, is “the right of the people . . . to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.” Many of those petitions are presented to judges. Every judge knows that a disturbingly high percentage of them involve petty slights, or imagined injuries, or matters that lie well beyond the reach of the judicial writ, but most judges will agree that it is important at least to listen to them -- especially to the grievances of poor petitioners, or disadvantaged petitioners, or petitioners who do not have lawyers -- even if the courts are powerless to grant relief.

Lawyers who come to court to present grievances, however, are held to a higher standard than disadvantaged or unrepresented persons. For lawyers, there are rules. A lawyer knows that no judge has any business addressing or ruling upon a dispute, no matter how fervently he or his clients may feel about it, unless the judge has both personal and subject matter jurisdiction, unless the client has standing to be heard, unless the cause is ripe and justiciable, and unless the complaint states a claim upon which relief can be granted. A lawyer who comes to federal court also knows, because the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure plainly say so, that his signature on a complaint “certifies that to the best of the person’s knowledge and belief, formed after an inquiry reasonable under the circumstances,” the complaint “is not being presented for any improper purpose,” Rule 11 (b) (1), and that “the claims . . . and other legal contentions are warranted by existing law or by a nonfrivolous argument for extending, modifying, or reversing existing law or for establishing new law,” Rule 11(b) (2).

John D. Hemenway is a lawyer and a member of the bar of this court. The dispute that he attempted to litigate here was about whether or not Barack Obama is a “natural born Citizen,” and thereby qualified under Article II, section 1 of the Constitution to be President. Many people, perhaps as many as a couple of dozen, feel deeply about this issue. Attempts have been made to tee the question up for judicial resolution in a number of courts across the country. See, defendant’s motion to dismiss [Dkt. #9-1 p. 3, n.H . Mr. Hemenway’s associate, Philip J. Berg, made at least one such attempt, suing in a

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federal court in Pennsylvania, naming himself as plaintiff. After that suit was dismissed (for lack of standing), and after the Supreme Court declined to hear him, Mr. Berg (apparently) found another plaintiff, a man who retired from the Air Force as a colonel more than ten years ago and now claims to be uncertain about whether -- if he were recalled to active duty -- he would have to obey commands that come from President Obama as commander-in-chief. Mr. Berg (presumably) enlisted Mr. Hemenway in this cause. Mr. Hemenway, Mr. Berg, and Lawrence J. Joyce then filed this lawsuit.’ Mr. Hemenway signed the complaint, certifying his compliance with Rule 11 (b) The complaint asserts a single cause of action, invoking the interpleader statute, 28 U.S.C. § 2235. That statute provides: (a) The district courts shall have original jurisdiction of any civil action of interpleader or in the nature of interpleader filed by any person, firm, or corporation, association, or society having in his or its custody or possession money or property of the value of $500 or more, or having issued a note, bond, certificate, policy of insurance, or other instrument of value or amount of $500 or more, or providing for the delivery or payment or the loan of money or property of such amount or value, or being under any obligation written or unwritten to the amount of $500 or more, if

(1) Two or more adverse claimants, of diverse citizenship as defined in subsection (a) or (d) of section 1332 of this title, are claiming or may claim Messrs. erg and Joyce are not members of the bar of this court and were not granted leave to appear pro hac vice. See [*10)

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to be entitled to such money or property, or to any one or more of the benefits arising by virtue of any note, bond, certificate, policy or other instrument, or arising by virtue of any such obligation; and if (2) the plaintiff has deposited such money or property or has paid the amount of or the loan or other value of such instrument or the amount due under such obligation into the registry of the court, there to abide the judgment of the court, or has given bond payable to the clerk of the court in such amount and with such surety as the court or judge may deem proper, conditioned upon the compliance by the plaintiff with the future order or judgment of the court with respect to the subject matter of the controversy.

(b) Such an action may be entertained although the titles or claims of the conflicting claimants do not have a common origin, or are not identical, but are adverse to and independent of one another.

I have said nothing, and have nothing to say, about the merits of the “natural born Citizen” question that Messrs. Hemenway, Berg, et al., have sought to present here. I have no business addressing the merits, because, having found that Mr. Hemenway’s interpleader suit failed to state a claim upon which relief can be granted, I have dismissed it. The only question that remains before me is whether Mr. Hemenway, when he signed the complaint, violated Rule 11 (b). It seemed to me when I dismissed the complaint, on March 5, 2009, that Mr. Hemenway’s invocation of the interpleader statute as the vehicle for his complaint was completely frivolous. For that reason, and in compliance with Rule 11(c) (3), I ordered Mr. Hemenway to show cause why I should not find him in violation of Rule 11(b), either because he presented the suit for an improper purpose,

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Rule 11(b) (1), or because his claims and other legal contentions were not “warranted by existing law or by a nonfrivolous argument for extending, modifying, or reversing existing law or for establishing new law,” Rule 11(b) (2), or both. Mr. Hemenway, responding to that order, has filed about 35 pages of argument and self—justification. Most of his submission deals with the merits of his claim, which, again, are not the subject of the present memorandum.

In so far as Mr. Hemenway’s submission addresses the legal sufficiency of his interpleader claim, his argument may be summarized as follows:

(I.) The word “property” in the interpleader statute, 28 U.S.C. § 1335, must be construed broadly. For this proposition, Mr. Hemenway cites no authority construing the word “property” as it appears in the interpleader statute; he cites only cases decided in the context of other statutes:

Carpenter v. U.s., 484 U.S. 19 (1987) (confidential information is “property” within the meaning of the mail and wire fraud statute); First Victoria Nat. Bank v. U.S., 620 F.2d 1096 (5th Cir. 1980) “rice history acreage” is “property” for estate tax purposes); Matter of Nichols, 4 B.R. 711 (E.D. Mich 1980) (in bankruptcy law, “property” refers to “one, or some, of whatever kind of those items which are subject to ownership, whether it is tangible or intangible, visible or invisible, corporeal or incorporeal, real

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(ii.) Mr. Hollister’s “duty” can be the subject of an interpleader action. Here, Mr. Hemenway cites Bank of Neosho v. Colcord,, 8 F.R.D. 621 (W.D.Mo. 1949), for the proposition that “a duty with respect to a sum of money has . . . been found to be a proper matter for interpleader.” [Dkt. #23, p. 10.) That is a significant distortion of the decision. Colcord (even if it were controlling law, which it is not) does not support Mr. Hemenway’s point. Colcord was a traditional interpleader case that involved a contract for the sale of a ranch. The sale “failed,” whereupon the disinterested stakeholder, uncertain whether to disburse the $5,000 earnest money to the contract seller or the contract buyer, deposited the funds in the registry of the court and sued for interpleader. The contract buyer then cross-claimed against the contract seller for specific; the contract seller moved to dismiss because the cross-claim was not for interpleader; and the court denied the motion, deciding nothing more than that a cross claim for the “duty” of specific performance would lie in the same case because it involved the same subject matter as the underlying interpleader action.

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he completely misstates it. In Dunbar, the post office refused to deliver a suspicious package of money, and the United States filed an interpleader action to see who might claim it. The court was harshly critical of the government’s resort to “cosmic interpleader,” Id. at 512, and refused to allow the government to use the suit as a vehicle for the conduct of broad discovery. What Mr. Hemenway should have gleaned from the case was the court’s finding that “a prerequisite for [interpleader] is that the party requesting interpleader demonstrate that he has been or may be subjected to adverse claims.” American Fidelity Fire Ins. Co. v. Construcciones Werl, Inc., 407 F. Supp 164, 173 (D.V.I. 1975), which Mr. Hemenway cites with Dunbar, is to the same effect.

Underwriters at Lloyd’s v. Nichols, 363 F.2d 357 (8th Cir. 1966), an exhaustive and scholarly opinion, comes to the same conclusion, concluding that interpleader requires real claims, or at least the threat of real claims -- not theoretical, polemical, speculative, or I’m-afraid-it-might-happen-someday claims.

(iv.) No court has held “that [an] intangible res cannot be the subject of Interpleader.” [Dkt. #23, p. 11]. This

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proposition is remarkable only for the authorities Mr. Hemenway nearly as I can tell); and N.O.W. v. Scheidler, 510 U.S. 249 (1994) (statutory construction: motivation of economic purpose will not be read into RICO statute). Moreover, one might add, no court has held that a claim made for the first time cannot on that account be found frivolous, or that “creativity” confers immunity from Rule 11 sanctions. Perhaps the most interesting case that Mr. Hemenway cites -- interesting because, more than any of the others in his submission, it demonstrates just what is wrong with his interpleader claim -- is Xerox Corp. v. Nashua Corp., 314 F. Supp 1187 (S.D.N.Y. 1970) . Xerox sued Nashua for infringing its patent on copy paper. Nashua counterclaimed to interplead RCA, asserting that, if it was infringing Xerox’s patent, it was also infringing a patent owned by RCA, and that it did not know to which party it should pay royalties. Judge Weinfeld observed, id. at 1189: Although Nashua’s invocation of interpleader in this case is novel, its assertion that if the two patents interfere, interpleader should lie because of the risk of multiple liability is not without appeal. Rule 22(1) of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure authorizes an interpleader action where (1) two or more persons have claims against the interpleading party, and (2) as a result, the interpleading party is or may be exposed to multiple liability. It is no longer required that the claims be of common origin or that

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the interpleading party be a wholly neutral stakeholder. The rule does not even require a ‘stake’ or ‘fund’ as such. The action will lie where all that is involved is the threat of multiple liability on what is in fact but a single claim or obligation. While the patent situation is more complex than the normal interpleader situation, its complexity alone does not foreclose interpleader. Judge Weinfeld dismissed the interpleader claim, however, finding that “the postulated situation envisaged by Nashua remains no more than a conjectural view of possible conflicting holdings,” Id. at 1190 (emphasis added). Judge Weinfeld went on to state, id.: The court is not prepared to cast Xerox and RCA in the role of unwilling litigants where, upon substantial grounds, they challenge the validity of the basis upon which Nashua seeks to force them into adversary positions, while Nashua presents only its bare conclusions in support of its position. Although parties should be protected against multiple and conflicting liability . . . unjustified interpleader proceedings in a case such as this have substantial disadvantages. “The case offered no hope whatsoever of success, and plaintiffs’ attorneys surely knew it.” That was the finding of Judge Jackson in Saltany v. Reagan, 702 F. Supp. 319, 322 (D.D.C. 1988), a case in which, as in this one, the plaintiffs had an axe to grind —— a case, like this one, that “[t]he Court surmise[d] was brought as a public statement of protest of Presidential action with which counsel (and, to be sure, their clients) were In profound disagreement.” Finding that the plaintiffs’ injuries were not insubstantial (plaintiffs were suing for

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injuries, deaths, and losses suffered in the 1986 American airstrikes against Libya), Judge Jackson concluded that the suit was not “frivolous so much as it is audacious,” and he declined to find a Rule 11 violation or to impose sanctions on counsel. Saltany, 702 F. Supp. at 322. The Court of Appeals reversed, 886 F.2d 438 (D.C. Cir. 1989). The trial court’s finding that “[tjhe case offered no hope whatsoever of success, and plaintiffs’ attorneys surely knew it” was, the Court of Appeals held, a finding “in substance if not in terms, that plaintiffs’ counsel had violated Rule 11.” Id. at 440.2 Judge Jackson had been inclined to cut counsel a break, because their suit was brought as a “public statement of protest.” The Court of Appeals was not so inclined: “We do not conceive it a proper function of a federal court to serve as a forum for ‘protests,’ to the detriment of parties with serious disputes waiting to be heard.” Ibid.

This case, like Saltany, offered no hope whatsoever of success, and Mr. Hemenway surely knew it. Mr. Hemenway had no colorable authority for the proposition that Mr. Hollister’s contingent claim of “duty” could be the res in an interpleader suit, or, given the speculative and contingent nature of such a 2 That holding was reaffirmed, on a second appeal, by the law of the case doctrine, see Saltany v. ‘ush, 960 F.2d 1060 (D.C. Cir. 992), over the dissent of Judge Wald that “no hope whatsoever of success” was “not an appropriate substitute for the findings required by Rule 11,” id. at 1061.

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of an interpleader suit -— that “[t]wo or more adverse claimants . . . are claiming or may claim to be entitled to such money or property, or to any one or more of the benefits arising by virtue of any such obligation. . . .“ 28 U.s.c. § 1335(a) (1). Mr. Hemenway’s suit was not a suit in interpleader or in the nature of interpleader. It was legally frivolous. By signing and filing a legally frivolous complaint, Mr. Hemenway violated at least Rule 11(b) (2). The Court of Appeals remanded Santany to Judge Jackson with instructions to impose a sanction, since, when that case was decided in 1989, a sanction was mandatory upon a finding of a Rule 11 violation. The 1993 amendments to Rule 11 made the imposition of sanctions discretionary with the trial court. Extensive Advisory Committee Notes explained that “the purpose of Rule 11 sanctions is to deter rather than compensate.” Rule 11 (c) (4) thus contemplates and permits a monetary sanction in the form of a penalty, but such a sanction is now limited to “what suffices to deter repetition of the conduct or comparable conduct by others similarly situated.”3 My order to show cause in this case [Dkt. 422] suggested, as one appropriate sanction, that Mr. Hemenway be ordered to pay the attorneys’ fees and expenses that his improper filing made necessary. Mr. Hernenway correctly observes, however, that Rule 11(c) no longer permits an order for the payment

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Mr. Hemenway is 82 years old and takes considerable and justified pride in his patriotic public service and his status as a Rhodes Scholar. He is unlikely to repeat the conduct that gave rise to this proceeding, and in his case the permissible alternative sanction of a reprimand will be sufficient. “Others similarly situated” -- the people who put Mr. Hemenway up to filing this foolish suit - are unlikely to be deterred, except by a penalty that would be unreasonable to impose on Mr. Hemenway alone.’

John D. Hemenway is hereby reprimanded for his part in the preparation, filing, and prosecution of a legally frivolous suit in this court. The order to show cause [Dkt. #22] is discharged. It is SO ORDERED.

JAMES ROBERTSON United States District Judge of attorney’s fees and expenses except upon motion —— and no such motion has been filed.

See http://www.obamaerirnes.info/ (last visited 3/24/09) “02/13/09:

PRESS RELEASE - Berg Fighting On. 3 Pending Lawsuits to Expose Obama for ‘not’ being Constitutionally qualified/eligible’ to be President and Berg requests help to spread the word as the major media refuses . . . Request - Everyone who can — Please raise, by asking four [4] friends $10.00 each, or contribute $60.00 to us now. You can use PayPal or credit card on our website or mail a check.”

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bho2009; hemenway; hollister; jamesrobertson; johndhemenway; obama; soetoro
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1 posted on 03/25/2009 6:51:50 AM PDT by SvenMagnussen
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To: null and void; LucyT

Ping the usual suspects.


2 posted on 03/25/2009 6:53:01 AM PDT by stockpirate (April 15 join the tax revolt tea parties.)
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To: SvenMagnussen
Many people, perhaps as many as a couple of dozen, feel deeply about this issue.

The judge can't help but throw in a snarkey comment can he?

3 posted on 03/25/2009 6:58:24 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: stockpirate

From Wiki:

James Robertson (born 1938) is a judge for the United States District Court for the District of Columbia. James Robertson was appointed a United States District Judge by President Bill Clinton in 1994.

Chief Justice William Rehnquist later placed him on the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court. On December 20, 2005, Judge Robertson resigned his Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court position.


4 posted on 03/25/2009 7:01:06 AM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: SvenMagnussen
"...after the Supreme Court declined to hear him, Mr. Berg (apparently) found another plaintiff..."

The injustice was that SCOTUS declined the case. Lower courts aren't going to rock the boat that the SCOTUS refuses to rock.

Sad that SCOTUS has become so ideological, so political...that it will choose to ignore one party's qualifications to be properly examined.

That being said...the handwriting is on the wall. Lower courts are going to be irritated that the injustice is brought up *again* to them when the issue has been settled by SCOTUS.

5 posted on 03/25/2009 7:01:59 AM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: SvenMagnussen

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=92277

Funny, he don’t look like no “blue gum baboon”


6 posted on 03/25/2009 7:05:15 AM PDT by tumblindice
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To: mnehring

His Honor is challenging ‘We the People’ to encourage, support and assemble for Hemenway’s appeal of this unconscionable ORDER.


7 posted on 03/25/2009 7:05:52 AM PDT by SvenMagnussen (Do not fear change.)
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To: SvenMagnussen

The doors to justice are closed.


8 posted on 03/25/2009 7:06:19 AM PDT by kidd (Obama: The triumph of hope over evidence)
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To: Southack

Not likely. SCOTUS granted Joyce leave to file Amicus on behalf of AZ Elector Bill Anderson. Any interpretation the matter is settled by SCOTUS is sadly mistaken.

Even more ironic is that Judge Robertson was disrepectful to Joyce AFTER Joyce was granted leave to file the Amicus Curiae with SCOTUS.


9 posted on 03/25/2009 7:10:17 AM PDT by SvenMagnussen (Do not fear change.)
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To: SvenMagnussen
When all fails, time to do the dirty. Someone in Hawaii might break into the vault where the disputed copy of Obie's Certificate is and photo it or take it.

I am simply having a brainstorm her and NOT advocating or suggesting someone do something illegal.

The issue must be resolved!! Legal action has, to date, failed. Many folks are becoming more frustrated. Just Sayin.

10 posted on 03/25/2009 7:11:56 AM PDT by ScareyFast63
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To: kidd
The doors to justice are closed.

I don't care what the merits of the case are. If I were a judge, and anyone in my courtroom referred to the President of the United States -- whoever he is -- as a "blue gum baboon," I'd throw them in jail for contempt.

11 posted on 03/25/2009 7:20:38 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Alter Kaker

He’s not the President because he’s an usurper.


12 posted on 03/25/2009 7:23:50 AM PDT by SvenMagnussen (Do not fear change.)
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To: ScareyFast63

A much better (and easier) option is to get his college records.

There is a reason they have not been released, and I don’t think it’s grades.

He’s almost certainly listed as an international student, probably Indonesian, and probably on scholarship.

Maybe even copies of the BC there.

There are surely plenty of people at Occidental, Columbia, Harvard, with access.


13 posted on 03/25/2009 7:26:57 AM PDT by Jedidah
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To: mnehring
The judge can't help but throw in a snarkey comment can he?

Maybe not, but it was funny.

14 posted on 03/25/2009 7:33:07 AM PDT by Publius Valerius
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To: SvenMagnussen

If the courts let this pass then perhaps a fund could ne built for the reward sum of $$$ for the BC.
Someone somewhere might just cough it up.


15 posted on 03/25/2009 7:48:46 AM PDT by devistate one four (Impatiently waiting for the next tea party! Tet '68)
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To: devistate one four

For some oddball reason, Judge Robertson cites Berg’s fundraising website (incorrectly).

See http://www.obamaerirnes.info/ (last visited 3/24/09) “02/13/09:

(actually it’s http://www.obamacrimes.info )


16 posted on 03/25/2009 7:57:54 AM PDT by SvenMagnussen (Do not fear change.)
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To: SvenMagnussen
Many people, perhaps as many as a couple of dozen, feel deeply about this issue.

LOL!!

17 posted on 03/25/2009 8:12:37 AM PDT by steve-b (Intelligent design is to evolutionary biology what socialism is to free-market economics.)
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To: SvenMagnussen
I have said nothing, and have nothing to say, about the merits of the “natural born Citizen” question that Messrs. Hemenway, Berg, et al., have sought to present here.

Did this turd even read his own dismissall ? I quote one part from it :

This case, if it were allowed to proceed, would deserve mention in one of those books that seek to prove that the law is foolish or that America has too many lawyers with not enough to do. Even in its relatively short life the case has excited the blogosphere and the conspiracy theorists. The right thing to do is to bring it to an early end.....The issue of the President’s citizenship was raised,vetted, blogged, texted, twittered, and otherwise massaged byAmerica’s vigilant citizenry during Mr. Obama’s two-year-campaign for the presidency, but this plaintiff wants it resolved by a court.

What an A**HOLE ( or should I say O-HOLE ). So now he says he never commented on the merits ?

18 posted on 03/25/2009 8:26:25 AM PDT by TheCipher
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To: Texas Fossil
Moreabout this "judge":

Judge appointed by Clinton. Here is info on him:

From 1965 to 1969, he was in private practice with the law firm of Wilmer, Cutler & Pickering. From 1969 to 1972, Judge Robertson served with the Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights Under Law, as chief counsel of the Committee's litigation offices in Jackson, Mississippi, and as director in Washington, D.C. Judge Robertson then returned to private practice with Wilmer, Cutler & Pickering, where he practiced until his appointment to the federal bench. While in private practice, he served as president of the District of Columbia Bar, co-chair of the Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights Under Law, and president of Southern Africa Legal Services and Legal Education Project, Inc. Now Wilmer, Cutler and Pickering is also known as WilmerHale LLP. ( the 23rd largest law firm in the world ) They donated $119,245 to the Obama campaign. Also, Obama served on the board of the Chicago branch of the Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights Under Law.

Here is one more: If you look at the questionnaire part 1, you will see where he lists that he was a member of the board of the same group as the judge. This link also explains about what this "board" did.

Link

Here is an excerpt from an article on what the Lawyers’ Committee for Civil Rights Under Law does :

Uses the courts to bypass the electorate and its officials in order to gain what it perceives as desirable and “just” outcomes

Today LCCR uses the courts to mandate race-based affirmative action preferences in business and academia. Its “major objective” is “to use the skills and resources of the bar to obtain equal opportunity for minorities by addressing factors that contribute to racial justice and economic opportunity.” “Given our nation’s history of racial discrimination, de jure segregation, and the de facto inequities that persist,” LCCR elaborates, “the Lawyers’ Committee’s primary focus is to represent the interest of African Americans in particular, other racial and ethnic minorities, and other victims of discrimination, where doing so can help to secure justice for all racial and ethnic minorities.” …

An article about this judge: Article

From the last paragraph:

Of course, the media neglect to mention that Judge Robertson was responsible for dropping two charges against Clintonista and Friend of Hillary, Web Hubbell. "Don't be surprised if Democrats win the White House one of their nominations to the Supreme Court is Judge James Robertson. Don't be surprised, " said Sid Francis

19 posted on 03/25/2009 8:41:48 AM PDT by TheCipher
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To: TheCipher

Judge Robertson reminds me of the crying Judge in determining the custody issue of Anna Nicole Smith’s child ... too much emotion and not enough juris prudence.


20 posted on 03/25/2009 8:44:54 AM PDT by SvenMagnussen (Do not fear change.)
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To: SvenMagnussen

Not only that, he has his head so far up Obamas butt he knows when Obama is going to fart before Obama does !!! :-)


21 posted on 03/25/2009 8:51:22 AM PDT by TheCipher
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To: All

Dr. Orly addresses Roberts:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9O9usBeg9Y

Dr Orly on G Gordy Liddy:
http://feeds.radioamerica.org/podcast/GGL/audio/Liddy_mon_23-03-09_H1.mp3


22 posted on 03/25/2009 8:54:24 AM PDT by patriot08
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To: mnehring
The judge can't help but throw in a snarkey comment can he?

You should have read is order to dismiss.

23 posted on 03/25/2009 8:55:49 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: All
DR. ORLY TAITZ Image and video hosting by TinyPic__________________________________________________________________________________________________ Please go to Dr. Orly's website http://defendourfreedoms.us/ and HELP HER. This lovely little Russian refugee is working herself to exhaustion to save YOUR country. It is reported that she is surviving on 3-4 hours sleep per night and is bearing much of the expense of her lawsuits herself. Dr. Orly is requesting researchers, lawyers, letter writers and other volunteers.
24 posted on 03/25/2009 8:57:27 AM PDT by patriot08
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To: Southack
The injustice was that SCOTUS declined the case. Lower courts aren't going to rock the boat that the SCOTUS refuses to rock.

Injustice or not, the Supreme Court did decline to hear the case and it had been dismissed by the lower courts. From a judicial standpoint the matter was dead. Refiling the same case under a different cast of characters is the definition of a frivilous lawsuit. Hemenway got off lucky; the judge could have ordered him to pay the defendant's costs.

25 posted on 03/25/2009 8:58:37 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: All

Dr. Orly’s website:

http://defendourfreedoms.us/


26 posted on 03/25/2009 8:58:57 AM PDT by patriot08
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To: SvenMagnussen

That may not be going anywhere but Easterling et al vs Obama et al is looking much more hopeful. Listen to Steve Malzberg at about 5 minutes into this podcast:
http://podcast.wor710.com/wor/1652701.mp3


27 posted on 03/25/2009 9:07:46 AM PDT by balls (I have seen the enemy and it is Hussein 0)
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To: Non-Sequitur

Why won’t Judge Robertson recognize Joyce’s brief to SCOTUS expousing the doctrine of res ipso loquitor and juris prudence?

SCOTUS granted Joyce leave to file the brief after reading it. Shouldn’t Judge Robertson accept the Court’s directive this issue speaks for itself and should be addressed by the Court?

And to make matters difficult, Judge Robertson refuses to grant Joyce admission Pro Hac Vice after SCOTUS accepted him.


28 posted on 03/25/2009 9:46:24 AM PDT by SvenMagnussen (Do not fear change.)
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To: SvenMagnussen

BTTT


29 posted on 03/25/2009 10:40:47 AM PDT by MilspecRob (Most people don't act stupid, they really are.)
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To: TheCipher

“O-HOLE”

Fair warning: I am so stealing that term.


30 posted on 03/25/2009 10:57:40 AM PDT by Velveeta
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To: SvenMagnussen
Why won’t Judge Robertson recognize Joyce’s brief to SCOTUS expousing the doctrine of res ipso loquitor and juris prudence? SCOTUS granted Joyce leave to file the brief after reading it. Shouldn’t Judge Robertson accept the Court’s directive this issue speaks for itself and should be addressed by the Court?

The Supreme Court granted permission to file an amicus brief in a case it then refused to hear. So that amicus brief, legally speaking, is now meaningless. Lower court judges cannot consider it, unless it is re-filed in those cases.

31 posted on 03/25/2009 11:17:20 AM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: SvenMagnussen

What else can one expect from a Clintonista appointee? We’ll be living with these Constitution-tredding imbeciles for a long time. But fear not, I’m sure Ocrumbo’s appointments will be even worse.


32 posted on 03/25/2009 11:33:28 AM PDT by Dionysius (Jingoism is no vice in these troubled times.)
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To: Lurking Libertarian

The Supreme Court dismissed the case, not on its merit, but on a procedural issue, i.e. the case had not been presented to the Appeals Court before being filed with SCOTUS.

If the Third Circuit Court of Appeals dismisses Berg’s case on standing, then SCOTUS will hear the case which has been demonstrated by the acceptance of the Amicus Curiae brief.


33 posted on 03/25/2009 11:44:41 AM PDT by SvenMagnussen (Do not fear change.)
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To: Alter Kaker
I don't care what the merits of the case are. If I were a judge, and anyone in my courtroom referred to the President of the United States -- whoever he is -- as a "blue gum baboon," I'd throw them in jail for contempt.

I guess that maybe you could possibly argue that that statement was a political opinion.

This (from the article (^) at WorldNutDaily), is not:

He finished with his speculation on what "ought" to happen to the judge, a physical act not appropriate for a family-oriented report.

He deserves to be held in contempt for that statement. I can't support being nasty or disrespectful to a judge.

34 posted on 03/25/2009 11:45:50 AM PDT by mountainbunny (Mitt Romney: Collect the whole set!)
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To: SvenMagnussen
If the Third Circuit Court of Appeals dismisses Berg’s case on standing, then SCOTUS will hear the case which has been demonstrated by the acceptance of the Amicus Curiae brief.

Acceptance of the amicus brief does not mean the Court will hear the case. It is routine for the Court to accept amicus briefs on cases it then refuses to hear-- it happens every week.

35 posted on 03/25/2009 12:27:44 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: SvenMagnussen
If the Third Circuit Court of Appeals dismisses Berg’s case on standing, then SCOTUS will hear the case which has been demonstrated by the acceptance of the Amicus Curiae brief.

You keep telling yourself that. If the lower court dismissed it for lack of standing, and if the 3rd Circuit dismisses it for the same reason, then the odds that the Supreme Court will then agree to hear it hover somewhere between zilch and none.

36 posted on 03/25/2009 12:33:17 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

Dismissive and condescending works for Obama, but you may want to support your arguments with actual facts.


37 posted on 03/25/2009 1:23:39 PM PDT by SvenMagnussen (Do not fear change.)
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To: SvenMagnussen
Dismissive and condescending works for Obama, but you may want to support your arguments with actual facts.

Well I suppose we'll find out, won't we? The Third Circuit should rule on Berg's case any time now.

38 posted on 03/25/2009 1:33:35 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

Filing appeals is expensive. I’m sure Judge Robertson meant well when he cited Berg’s website incorrectly ...

” See http://www.obamaerirnes.info/ (last visited 3/24/09) 02/13/09:”

Actually, it’s http://www.obamacrimes.info to submit a donation for liberty and justice. Don’t be shy. Judge Robertson is just a bully who knows that if the truth ever comes out, then Obama will be put out of office.


39 posted on 03/25/2009 4:00:07 PM PDT by SvenMagnussen (Do not fear change.)
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To: SvenMagnussen
Don’t be shy. Judge Robertson is just a bully who knows that if the truth ever comes out, then Obama will be put out of office.

Of course.

40 posted on 03/26/2009 3:58:32 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Publius Valerius

But not acccurate, just like his original opinion.


41 posted on 03/26/2009 5:43:02 PM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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To: TheCipher

Not only that but the comment by Judge Robertson is nonsensical and contradictory to the language of Rule 11.

Obviously by asserting that the complaint had no basis in the law or any extension of the law and in quoting the rule he brings the merits directly into issue. The object of the Show Cause had to deal with the merits to defend himself so for the judge to complain in a snarky way about Hemenway’s doing so makes no sense.


42 posted on 03/26/2009 5:46:37 PM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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To: Non-Sequitur

As usual you display your ignorance. It is a different suit with a different plaintiff. Therefore there is no claim or issue preclusion. Now, run and ask your “lawyer friends” what those last words mean. At least you are just ignorance. Judge Robertson is thoroughly familiar with these legal concepts and chose to ignore them in a frivolous decision.


43 posted on 03/26/2009 5:49:45 PM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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To: SvenMagnussen

“He’s not the President because he’s an usurper.”
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Obama won the majority of the popular vote. he won the majority of the Electoral College. The election was cdertified by the elected legislature and the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court administered the oath of office (twice).

Get over it and move on.


44 posted on 03/26/2009 5:55:52 PM PDT by awake-n-angry
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To: AmericanVictory
As usual you display your ignorance.

And obviously you didn't read Judge Robertson's decision. Link.

Now, run and ask your “lawyer friends” what those last words mean.

I know what it means. Judge Robertson correctly points out that you are wrong in that.

Judge Robertson is thoroughly familiar with these legal concepts and chose to ignore them in a frivolous decision.

You mean frivolous case, don't you?

45 posted on 03/26/2009 6:09:07 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: SvenMagnussen
I have no business addressing the merits, because, having found that Mr. Hemenway’s interpleader suit failed to state a claim upon which relief can be granted,

I'm a little confused here...

isn't... "having found that Mr. Hemenway’s interpleader suit failed to state a claim upon which relief can be granted"...

a conclusion derived from addressing the merits?

...and what's an "interpleader suit"?

46 posted on 03/26/2009 6:10:16 PM PDT by kanawa
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To: kanawa
...and what's an "interpleader suit"?

A suit filed by someone who has no direct interest in the underlying reason for the suit. The classic example is if you find a valuable article and two or more people claim ownership of it. You can file an interpleader suit and ask the court to determine who the actual owner is.

47 posted on 03/26/2009 6:19:03 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

No, you obviously don’t know what issue preclusion means or claim preclusion means.

Judge Robertson’s opinion was frivolous and without warrant in the law in that it evoked these two concepts but cited no authority to support them other than internet concepts that have no legal authority or status in the law. From a federal judge this is quite frivolous and, frankly, unlike him.

To quote Walter Williams, you are not only ignorant, you are arrogant. But I encourage you to keep displaying both traits. I think it’s truly educational for people to see the sheer mindlessness of your sycophancy.


48 posted on 03/26/2009 6:50:55 PM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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To: AmericanVictory
To quote Walter Williams, you are not only ignorant, you are arrogant.

Well when it comes to ignorance and arrogance who better than you would know?

49 posted on 03/26/2009 7:13:22 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Alter Kaker

“and anyone in my courtroom referred to the President of the United States — whoever he is — as a “blue gum baboon,” I’d throw them in jail for contempt”

I think he’s being too polite calling him a blue gum baboon!


50 posted on 03/26/2009 7:25:25 PM PDT by dalereed
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