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Clinton Admits U.S. Demand Feeds Mexico’s Drug Trade
NYT ^ | March 25, 2009 | MARK LANDLER

Posted on 03/25/2009 1:29:37 PM PDT by yoe

Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton arrived here Wednesday with the clearest acknowledgment yet from a senior Obama administration official of the role the United States plays in the violent drug trade racking Mexico.

“Our insatiable demand for illegal drugs fuels the drug trade,” she said, using unusually blunt language. “Our inability to prevent weapons from being illegally smuggled across the border to arm these criminals causes the deaths of police officers, soldiers and civilians.”

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: banglist; bashing; bds; bho44; bhomexico; bhowod; blameamericafirst; cultureofcorruption; dopersrights; drugs; drugtrafficking; drugwar; hillary; illegalimmigration; mexicancorruption; narcoterrorism; openborders; soshillary; usa; wod
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How many years has it been since Michelle Malkin wrote "Invasion"? The Clintons did nothing then and Hillary is now mouthing the same old rhetoric only this time she is doing what Clinton's always did best, she is blaming America for it's citizen's "insatiable demand for drugs" but not demanding tougher laws to curb that habit-and-Our inability to prevent weapons from being illegally smuggled across the border to arm these criminals causes the deaths of police officers, soldiers and civilians.” trust me, that is complete BS Perhaps if Mexican citizens had a Second Amendment in their constitution rather than denying their right to protect themselves, perhaps Mexican citizens would have fixed the problem long ago. America's anti-gun folks will seize on this ONGOING BORDER PROBLEM to deny American citizens their Second Amendment rights.

By the was, Phoenix did not just start having drug related gang problems, they have been having them while Janet Napolitano was Governor of AZ....she did little to stop illegal aliens or drugs. Napolitano is another disappointing Obama appointment

1 posted on 03/25/2009 1:29:37 PM PDT by yoe
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To: yoe

O-BS she blamed America first like every issue. This is just NYT spin.

However, lets look at American’s use more gas but don’t kill each other over it. Drug dealers are simply evil.

Like Hillary.


2 posted on 03/25/2009 1:30:56 PM PDT by edcoil (Saliva will kill you but only if taken in small amounts over a long period of time.)
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To: yoe

She got part of it right. Her party’s base does like its drugs. But it isn’t our guns that are feeding the violence south of the border. That’s just a pretext to disarm law abiding Americans.


3 posted on 03/25/2009 1:31:18 PM PDT by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Democrats spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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To: yoe

The cartels are packing military weapons. They aren’t coming from the US. You don’t buy machine guns and hand grenades and rocket launchers at Walmart.


4 posted on 03/25/2009 1:31:29 PM PDT by marron
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To: yoe

Geez.

What will this cost us?


5 posted on 03/25/2009 1:32:09 PM PDT by Glenn (Free Venezuela!)
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To: edcoil

Gas is not illegal and has no black market: bad example


6 posted on 03/25/2009 1:33:05 PM PDT by MoreGovLess (Seek justice, love kindness, walk humbly with your God (Micah))
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To: yoe

yoe,
as an Arizonan we want to thank you for donating that p.o.s.
Napolitano to the federal govt.
Course it seems that every state has at least one like her.


7 posted on 03/25/2009 1:33:31 PM PDT by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: AlaskaErik

Exactly. It is primarily DEMOCRATS that are the drug users and felons.


8 posted on 03/25/2009 1:33:42 PM PDT by whitedog57
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To: yoe
What do you 'MENA' by that rant?

Impugning the character of a wife of a former impeached President's genuineness when it comes to drugs and crimes, the SoS no less. tsk tsk ;-) Got AFLAC?

9 posted on 03/25/2009 1:35:06 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed.)
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To: yoe
“Our inability to prevent weapons from being illegally smuggled across the border to arm these criminals causes the deaths of police officers, soldiers and civilians.”

The corrupt Mexican military is PART of the drug trade. Even without US guns, they would still have firepower.

10 posted on 03/25/2009 1:35:42 PM PDT by a fool in paradise ("I certainly hope he (Bush) doesnÂ’t succeed" - Democratic strategist James Carville 9-11-2001)
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To: yoe

If there was only some way we could just get the profits out of the drug market....


11 posted on 03/25/2009 1:35:50 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Wake up people, AIG executives are not the enemy, your Government is!)
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To: yoe
“Our inability to prevent weapons from being illegally smuggled across the border to arm these criminals causes the deaths of police officers, soldiers and civilians.”

If only there was something that could be built at the border that would block illegal smuggling...

12 posted on 03/25/2009 1:38:53 PM PDT by Inappropriate Laughter
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To: yoe

So does this mean he’s giving up drugs?


13 posted on 03/25/2009 1:39:49 PM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Like legalizing marijuana. It would stop a major revenue source for the Mexican drug businesses and keep our drug dollars at home where they can be taxed.


14 posted on 03/25/2009 1:43:27 PM PDT by gandalftb (An appeaser feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last......)
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To: marron

I wonder why some terroist organization hasn’t figured out a way to lace drugs with cyanide or something. That ought to put the DNA to work and do their job.


15 posted on 03/25/2009 1:44:00 PM PDT by rovenstinez
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To: edcoil

This story will undoubtedly be used by the Hussein administration—not that they didn’t create it in the first place—to argue for: 1.New gun-grabbing legislation, 2.yet another look at legalizing drug use in the US. Wouldn’t surprise me a bit.


16 posted on 03/25/2009 1:44:11 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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To: yoe

I have to agree with the biatch on the point about American demand for drugs. Drugs, debt, sex, booze, etc it all comes down to people’s need to escape, feel good and rot themselves and the broader society.


17 posted on 03/25/2009 1:46:02 PM PDT by misterrob (FUBO----Just say it, Foooooooooooooo Boooooooowwwwww. Smooth)
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To: gandalftb
“Like legalizing marijuana.”

Oh, puleeze. Legalizing marijuana will do NOTHING to stop these criminals. They'll just continue on to the next profitable outlawed business that the idiots in the US will buy into. Marijuana is at the bottom of their food chain. Take off that link and their are plenty more to exploit.

18 posted on 03/25/2009 1:47:07 PM PDT by Melinda
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To: yoe

And just who is responsible for this “U.S. demand” Hillary?

Perhaps the Woodstock Generation and its political advocates/protectors?

Our drug problems are a direct legacy of liberals. They caused the problem, we all suffer because of it, and yet they pretend they’re the solution.


19 posted on 03/25/2009 1:47:33 PM PDT by A_Former_Democrat
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To: yoe
First, if the drug cartels didn't get the guns from the USA they would get them from somewhere else.

Second, how about building the wall and closing the boarder. This would keep illegals and drugs from coming north and guns from going south. Win-win.

20 posted on 03/25/2009 1:47:57 PM PDT by erics-chi town
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To: Melinda

That’s “there” not “their”.


21 posted on 03/25/2009 1:49:18 PM PDT by Melinda
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To: gandalftb
Like legalizing marijuana. It would stop a major revenue source for the Mexican drug businesses and keep our drug dollars at home where they can be taxed.

You are correct:

John P. Walters, director of the Office of National Drug Control Policy, said marijuana, not heroin or cocaine, is the "bread and butter," "the center of gravity" for Mexican drug cartels that every year smuggle tons of it through the porous U.S.-Mexico border. Of the $13.8 billion that Americans contributed to Mexican drug traffickers in 2004-05, about 62 percent, or $8.6 billion, comes from marijuana consumption.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/022208dnintdrugs.3a98bb0.html

22 posted on 03/25/2009 1:50:35 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: yoe

This is just setting the table for some sort of gun control legislation aimed at dealers.

Mexicans can buy guns from anywhere.

Taking our guns away will be the Democrats idea of “border control”.


23 posted on 03/25/2009 1:52:25 PM PDT by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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To: yoe
He and his brother alone have financed the drug problem with their own problems... the only hooter that bj likes better than hooters is hooter-caine.

LLS

24 posted on 03/25/2009 1:52:56 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (hussein will NEVER be my President... NEVER!!!)
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To: Melinda
Oh, puleeze. Legalizing marijuana will do NOTHING to stop these criminals.

I agree. Even if dope is made legal they will still smuggle it in "tax free" and switch to a higher profit margin product, coke, heroin, crystal-meth, etc.

Build the wall (or walls) and by all means PLEASE militarize the border because it IS a war, like it or not.

25 posted on 03/25/2009 1:53:28 PM PDT by AreaMan
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To: marron

What you say is true... but few here will listen.

LLS


26 posted on 03/25/2009 1:53:55 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (hussein will NEVER be my President... NEVER!!!)
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To: yoe

Here’s an idea - how about we rid them of their drug problem in exchange for access to their bubbling crude. Mexico has tons of oil, a thriving tourism economy and half of the US’s old manufacturing jobs - how long does it take them to get their act together.

I guess Clintons great legacy of NAFTA didnt really fix much in Ole Mejico...


27 posted on 03/25/2009 1:55:35 PM PDT by texrepub76
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To: Melinda

There are basically three roads. Continue on this one and pretend like the problem is manageable in it’s present form, the Singapore way where justice is the end of a rope, or the Netherlands way where the public parks are littered with junkies and used hypodermic needles. I’m just curious if Madam Clinton mentioned that her husband earned the moniker “the vacuum cleaner”.


28 posted on 03/25/2009 1:55:40 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Ken H

Gee, so let’s just legalize pot and that will eliminate the problem? LOL, don’t think so. Today’s pot is not the pot of the hippie generation, and once that’s OK, the crooks will be busy getting you hooked on the heroine they produce. Crime is a never-ending business that requires more vigilance than ever, not capitulation.


29 posted on 03/25/2009 1:56:22 PM PDT by Melinda
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To: marron
You don’t buy machine guns and hand grenades and rocket launchers at Walmart.

Dang...are you sure? Not even the ones in Texas?

By the way these politicians are carrying on I thought I could buy a f**king Flamethrower at Walmart and use it before even leaving the building.

30 posted on 03/25/2009 1:57:17 PM PDT by AreaMan
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To: Melinda
Marijuana is at the bottom of their food chain.

Nonsense. It accounts for nearly 2/3 of their revenue. See post #22.

Take off that link and their are plenty more to exploit.

Again, nonsense. The cartels are ALREADY exploiting other avenues. Demand is already being met for cocaine, heroin and other illegal drugs. There simply isn't the upside to replace the $billions$ from the marijuana trade.

31 posted on 03/25/2009 2:01:23 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: yoe

Huge drug bust here. Many pictures.

http://dheydon.posterous.com/drug-bust-check-out-the-cash


32 posted on 03/25/2009 2:02:37 PM PDT by IM2MAD
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To: AreaMan

Yeah, I notice the huge demand in smuggled Kaluha coming in from Mexico.


33 posted on 03/25/2009 2:07:06 PM PDT by Nate505
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To: Smokin' Joe
Remember our conversation from the other day about the usage of words?
“Our insatiable demand for illegal drugs...
There are no illegal drugs. On the heels of the 18th Amendment any such laws making drugs "illegal" would have been struck down as unconstitutional.
There are only controlled substances and people are going to be, and are being, manipulated under a facade of false words.
34 posted on 03/25/2009 2:10:43 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: IM2MAD

Checked out your link.

No wonder we have to keep the printing presses running 24/7.


35 posted on 03/25/2009 2:12:55 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Ken H

“Nonsense. It accounts for nearly 2/3 of their revenue. See post #22.”

LOL. (Nonsense is such an overused, silly word.) So? That doesn’t negate what I said, it being the bottom of their food chain. It’s there because it is cheap and easy to produce and sell at ridiculous profits to brainless idiots. Why should they climb to the next link? Once the profits disappear, they will no doubt ratchet up the romance of doing other illegal drugs, drugs that appeal to the same small brains that love the weed and break the law to get it now. If weed were legal, it would lose its cachet with so many immature users who use it because it is illegal, because Mommy and Daddy told them not to. Poor things, must have nothing better to do with their lives.


36 posted on 03/25/2009 2:13:41 PM PDT by Melinda
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To: yoe

Yeah, it’s all our fault, Hillary.

The one hope I held out for electing Obama was getting rid of the Clintons. Silly me.


37 posted on 03/25/2009 2:16:35 PM PDT by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925; Foreigners 2008)
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To: Melinda
Gee, so let's just legalize pot and that will eliminate the problem? LOL, don't think so.

You don't think eliminating nearly 2/3 of their revenue would be a severe blow?

Today's pot is not the pot of the hippie generation, and once that's OK, the crooks will be busy getting you hooked on the heroine they produce.

LOL! Explain why the Netherlands had a substantially lower rate of heroin addiction than Singapore, Iran and the US: link to post #146 with facts and figures

Crime is a never-ending business that requires more vigilance than ever, not capitulation.

So they should have kept Prohibition rather than "capitulate" to alcohol?

38 posted on 03/25/2009 2:17:25 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: yoe

Well, if Barry and Bill would lay off the drugs, it would cut down the demand quite a bit.


39 posted on 03/25/2009 2:17:59 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Ken H
You are correct

Question: Do you think the drug cartels would cease conducting illegal business if marijuana were legalized?

40 posted on 03/25/2009 2:20:32 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Oldpuppymax

“This story will undoubtedly be used by the Hussein administration—not that they didn’t create it in the first place—to argue for: 1.New gun-grabbing legislation, 2.yet another look at legalizing drug use in the US. Wouldn’t surprise me a bit.”

Already been done. This will be the official mantra...scare the public about Mexico enough to register guns. A couple weeks ago the first was Eleanor Clift. Wes Clark, CBS news and others of the left have been harping on the gun angle.

[snip]“It is unacceptable to have 90 percent of the guns that are picked up in Mexico and used to shoot judges, police officers, mayors, kidnap innocent people and do terrible things come from the United States,” Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., said at a hearing Tuesday. “I am appalled that you can buy a 50-caliber sniper weapon anywhere and it’s not restricted to a federal firearms dealer - you can just buy it.”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2208636/posts?page=15#15


41 posted on 03/25/2009 2:23:41 PM PDT by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925; Foreigners 2008)
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To: yoe

These people all talk like there are no addicts south of the Rio Grande, and America is the only place you can buy weapons.


42 posted on 03/25/2009 2:23:46 PM PDT by csmusaret (You can't spell Democrat without R-A-T.)
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To: Ken H
“LOL! Explain why the Netherlands had a substantially lower rate of heroin addiction than Singapore, Iran and the US: link to post #146 with facts and figures”

You seriously think legalizing marijuana will strip them of revenue? No, it won't. They'll continue on to produce ecstasy or new drugs, just like the Netherlands (the largest producer and exporter of ecstasy in the world) the country you keep bringing up in this weak argument. Apparently you don't remember carrying on this same dead-end argument a couple of weeks ago. I wonder why? LOL!! Go look back in your retreads. If they had gone after the crooks in Prohibition, we wouldn't have Teddy K. doing so much damage to the US today.

43 posted on 03/25/2009 2:28:57 PM PDT by Melinda
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To: All

prohibition will never succeed. we can build a wall 40 feet high surrounding the entire nation, mine all coastal waterways, and have armed soldiers manning ever inch of the border, and put any and every user into concentration camps, and still the flow of drugs will not stop.
Putting a legal framework for responsible adults to alter their consciousnesses in the privacy of their own homes is the only way we can stop the violence at our border and throughout the world that coincides with the illegal drug trade.


44 posted on 03/25/2009 2:30:23 PM PDT by Nipplemancer (Abolish the DEA !)
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To: yoe
We’ve got to figure out how to stop these bad guys,” she said.
We've?! Isn't this Mexico's responsibility? If they cross the American border there are more than enough laws on the books to stop them.

“These criminals are outgunning the law enforcement officials.”
MAN, I sure would like to know where I can get some of those OTC grenades and grenade launchers as well as some of those antitank rockets. I just can't seem to find any at any of the local gun shops. /extreme sarcasm
Mexican drug gangs' weaponry fit for war
Traffickers have escalated their arms race, acquiring military-grade weapons, including hand grenades, grenade launchers, armor-piercing munitions and antitank rockets.

She must think people are stupid...or gullible.

45 posted on 03/25/2009 2:31:24 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Melinda
That doesn't negate what I said, it being the bottom of their food chain.

Actually, it does negate what you said. No company is going to claim that a product which accounts for 2/3 of their revenue is at the bottom of the food chain.

It's there because it is cheap and easy to produce and sell at ridiculous profits to brainless idiots.

You are correct, to the tune of about $8.6B, according to the ONDCP.

Why should they climb to the next link?

DUH! They already have. Who do you think moves the cocaine and meth into this country?

46 posted on 03/25/2009 2:33:13 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Nipplemancer

“prohibition will never succeed. we can build a wall 40 feet high surrounding the entire nation, mine all coastal waterways, and have armed soldiers manning ever inch of the border, and put any and every user into concentration camps, and still the flow of drugs will not stop.
Putting a legal framework for responsible adults to alter their consciousnesses in the privacy of their own homes is the only way we can stop the violence at our border and throughout the world that coincides with the illegal drug trade.”

It’s not all about drugs. Human smuggling, kidnapping (over 300 in Phoenix alone last year) is big money. Shall we also legalize slavery? I do agree to a point, the illegality of drugs does attract the criminal elements. As for weed, might as well legalize that at least to get the Mexican cartels out of our national parks and forests growing on thousands of acres.


47 posted on 03/25/2009 2:36:35 PM PDT by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925; Foreigners 2008)
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To: Ken H

You obviously don’t understand what I mean by “bottom of the food chain”. Easy to make, easy to sell, easy profit. Like a school of minnows to a shark, see? I will refrain from using confusing terms in the future.


48 posted on 03/25/2009 2:43:08 PM PDT by Melinda
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To: MEGoody
Question: Do you think the drug cartels would cease conducting illegal business if marijuana were legalized?

No. They would continue to make whatever they could from cocaine and heroin smuggling and such, but they would lose their "bread and butter". Since demand is already being met for cocaine et al, the upside from those other activities is limited.

49 posted on 03/25/2009 2:45:30 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: MEGoody
Question: Do you think the drug cartels would cease conducting illegal business if marijuana were legalized?

The honest answer to your question is "no". Because they are criminal enterprises. Your question might make more sense if you asked if criminals would do something else if crime were legalized. In this particular case they control the supply of a lucrative commodity. Once that opportunity is gone they will do something else like gambling or prostitution. Then you may ask "if gambling and prostitution..." and we'd be back to square one.
50 posted on 03/25/2009 2:47:06 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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