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O.C. sheriff revoking concealed weapons permits
LA Times ^ | 3/26/09 | Tami Abdullah

Posted on 03/26/2009 7:15:20 AM PDT by pissant

Several major GOP power brokers with ties to convicted former Orange County Sheriff Michael S. Carona are about to lose their concealed weapons permits under an order by the new sheriff.

Those who have received notices of revocation from Sheriff Sandra Hutchens include Michael Schroeder, chief political and legal advisor to Carona and a former chairman of the state Republican Party; Adam Probolsky, a GOP pollster; and Stephen Mensinger, a political ally of Carona and business executive for major GOP benefactor and developer George Argyros, public records show.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: banglist; california; canisaybitch; democrats; hutchens; lping; mikecarona; oc; ocgop; ocsheriff; orangecounty; sandrahutchens; secondamendment
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Ah, looks like and Obamarrhoid commie beeyatch to me.


1 posted on 03/26/2009 7:15:20 AM PDT by pissant
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To: pissant

How in the world do these people get away with this stuff? Are Californians all just sheep? They need a revolution out there IMHO.


2 posted on 03/26/2009 7:19:58 AM PDT by basil ( It's time to eliminate all "Gun Free Zones")
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To: pissant
Doesn't there have to be a legal/justifiable reason to revoke the permit, and not just a whim of the Sherriff?

Otherwise they could/should challenge it in court.

3 posted on 03/26/2009 7:20:04 AM PDT by DTogo (Time to bring back the Sons of Liberty.)
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To: pissant

When youhave to ask the government for a ‘permit’ to have a gun they assume they have the rigth to take it away from you too.

They are wrong, but we let them get away with it.


4 posted on 03/26/2009 7:21:20 AM PDT by Mr. K (physically unable to proofreed (<---oops))
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To: DTogo

its easier to OFF the republicans this way....


5 posted on 03/26/2009 7:21:42 AM PDT by Vaquero ( "an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: pissant

This insanity won’t survive a court challenge, and it’s too bad the already overtaxed citizens of OC, California will have to pay more as a result of an idiot politician posing as sheriff.


6 posted on 03/26/2009 7:21:55 AM PDT by mgc1122
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To: basil

There was a recent revolution out there. Mexico took it back.


7 posted on 03/26/2009 7:22:08 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: pissant

Kaleefornia is long over due for someone to push a proposition to cancel the authority of Police Chiefs and Sheriff’s to decide who does or does not get a permit. The law should simply be that an adult who is not convicted of a felony should not be prohibited from concealed carry.


8 posted on 03/26/2009 7:23:57 AM PDT by Enterprise (I went to America and all I got were some DVDs and little helicopters.)
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To: DTogo

One must prove that have “good cause” to get a permit,,,,,,,,,


9 posted on 03/26/2009 7:24:19 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: basil

...but if you cancel American Idol they would revolt.


10 posted on 03/26/2009 7:24:59 AM PDT by devane617 (Republicans first strategy should be taking over the MSM. Without it we are doomed.)
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To: basil

She’s playing political games. Any permits issued by the now convicted Mike Carona to high profile folks are considered suspect because they may have been used to gain political favors.

I haven’t been able to figure out if she’s just trying to clean the CCW process up or is just plain anti-gun. I’m sure a FReeper in the know will chime in.

Did you read the article? One of them is fighting back, threatening legal action.

SZ


11 posted on 03/26/2009 7:25:33 AM PDT by SZonian (I'm a Canal Zone brat)
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To: pissant
Here in the OC virtually everyone has decided this EEOC Board of Supervisor appointment at the payment and demands of Joan Irvine - has failed our community.

We are 2-3 months away from a new election cycle and will elect a new sheriff next year.

This sheriff was the union rep in Los Angeles and was retired and taken out of moth balls by joan irvine (the useless granddaughter of a great man and she never worked ever). She brought in a group of equally useless LA sheriffs for their useless political agenda. The sheriff's staff of 15 officers actually had to protect and escort our own sheriff out of a public meeting. We her in the OC hope to next start capitalizing sheriff once again.

12 posted on 03/26/2009 7:25:54 AM PDT by edcoil (Saliva will kill you but only if taken in small amounts over a long period of time.)
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To: DTogo
Doesn't there have to be a legal/justifiable reason to revoke the permit, and not just a whim of the Sherriff?

Nope! In states where they have "shall issue" CCW laws, then you're protected against the whims of the local politicians and the sheriff. CA isn't one of those states. And the sheriff is the chief LEO in the area, usually the county. So whatever the sheriff decides is "the law."

Mark

13 posted on 03/26/2009 7:28:05 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: basil
Are Californians all just sheep?

Rhetorical question, I assume.

14 posted on 03/26/2009 7:28:49 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s........you weren't really there)
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To: basil
How in the world do these people get away with this stuff? Are Californians all just sheep? They need a revolution out there IMHO.

Exactly what do you mean by the use of the phrase "these people"?

Scan down the list of headlines on FR news/activism. See all those things being done on a national scale while "these people" mail teabags to an incineration facility -- while "these people" make disparaging remarks about each other on news fora.

15 posted on 03/26/2009 7:30:42 AM PDT by RobinOfKingston (Democrats, the party of evil. Republicans, the party of stupid.)
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To: SZonian; edcoil; basil

See. It only took 22 seconds for “a FReeper in the know” to post some insight about this. ;-)

SZ


16 posted on 03/26/2009 7:30:48 AM PDT by SZonian (I'm a Canal Zone brat)
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To: MarkL
So whatever the sheriff decides is "the law."

That seems a little broad. Are you a lawyer?

17 posted on 03/26/2009 7:31:07 AM PDT by DTogo (Time to bring back the Sons of Liberty.)
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To: mgc1122
This insanity won’t survive a court challenge, and it’s too bad the already overtaxed citizens of OC, California will have to pay more as a result of an idiot politician posing as sheriff.

It has survived court challenges, repeated times, which is what drove gun rights activists to pass "shall issue" CCW laws in states which keep this sort of crap from happening. In certain states, the final decision is left up to a board, or even the local chief LEO, which is almost always the county sheriff, depending on how the CCW law is written.

Mark

18 posted on 03/26/2009 7:31:44 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: pissant
Ah, looks like and Obamarrhoid commie beeyatch to me.

*************

Yup......

RECOMMENDED REMEDY:
(1) Pit-bull attorney
(2) Federal Court
(3) Next OC election cycle

19 posted on 03/26/2009 7:33:46 AM PDT by Wings-n-Wind (The main things are the plain things!)
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To: MarkL

Political Profiling


20 posted on 03/26/2009 7:33:49 AM PDT by TYVets
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To: pissant

“O.C. sheriff revoking concealed weapons permits..”

Just ‘cause, right? Gosh, when I grew up, we were taught that we a nation under the “rule of law”, not under the “rule of Men” or, in this case, “woman.”

When do we start the revolution?


21 posted on 03/26/2009 7:34:07 AM PDT by ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY ( The Constitution needs No interpreting, only APPLICATION!)
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To: DTogo

Never mind the question, should people need a permit to carry a gun in the first place? I always thought the Bill of Rights was just that, not the Bill of Privileges.


22 posted on 03/26/2009 7:34:47 AM PDT by Skenderbej
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To: Enterprise
Kaleefornia is long over due for someone to push a proposition to cancel the authority of Police Chiefs and Sheriff’s to decide who does or does not get a permit. The law should simply be that an adult who is not convicted of a felony should not be prohibited from concealed carry.

Maybe an amendment to the Constitution would work? Something simple like "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

23 posted on 03/26/2009 7:35:49 AM PDT by magslinger (I talk to myself but sometimes I like a third opinion.)
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To: SZonian

Here is some local input.

http://www.redcounty.com/orange-county/2009/02/wwskd-—
what-would-sheriff-key/


24 posted on 03/26/2009 7:36:13 AM PDT by edcoil (Saliva will kill you but only if taken in small amounts over a long period of time.)
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To: ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY
When do we start the revolution?

Much like the war against Islam, it has already begun.

We just haven't gotten into the game yet.

Soon, very soon. Keep your powder dry and don't reveal any personal information publicly.

25 posted on 03/26/2009 7:38:53 AM PDT by airborne (Obama is finishing what Osama started! The destruction of the American economy!!!)
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To: edcoil
I tried your link and got The requested page could not be found.
26 posted on 03/26/2009 7:40:00 AM PDT by magslinger (I talk to myself but sometimes I like a third opinion.)
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To: Skenderbej

Well, yeah, that goes without saying. How far we have allowed the Government to whittle away at our rights... sad.


27 posted on 03/26/2009 7:44:14 AM PDT by DTogo (Time to bring back the Sons of Liberty.)
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To: magslinger

http://www.redcounty.com/orange-county/2009/02/wwskd-—what-would-sheriff-key/

Watch the word wrap. I just tried it and it worked.


28 posted on 03/26/2009 7:48:26 AM PDT by edcoil (Saliva will kill you but only if taken in small amounts over a long period of time.)
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To: pissant
I thought the State issues the Permits not a Rat wearing a costume.
29 posted on 03/26/2009 7:52:03 AM PDT by Cheetahcat (Osamabama the Wright kind of Racist!)
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To: pissant

do we need a first amendment permit too??


30 posted on 03/26/2009 7:52:18 AM PDT by GeronL (http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: magslinger

Gee - I hadn’t thought of that. </s>


31 posted on 03/26/2009 7:55:25 AM PDT by Enterprise (I went to America and all I got were some DVDs and little helicopters.)
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To: pissant

California is now majority minoriity and it votes and behaves as such .

Enjoy.

It didn’t have to be this way.

*yes...and cuckoo land for bad crackers too I know


32 posted on 03/26/2009 7:55:39 AM PDT by wardaddy (America, Ship of Fools)
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To: pissant; All
The Sheriff-ette will probably win on this. California is not a "shall issue" state so the power lies with the politicians.

Sheriffs and Chiefs of Police are almost always politicians first and cops a distant second. This woman is no different.

Did Carona hook up his buddies with permits? Yeah, probably. But notice the Sheriff-ette said,
"...the sheriff's actions are purely intended to bring consistency and provide [permits] to people who have a valid and significant reason to fear for their safety."

"Valid and significant"...in other words general "self-defence" is not a valid reason. Sorry peasant.

33 posted on 03/26/2009 7:55:41 AM PDT by AreaMan
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To: pissant

I wonder if one received a permit from another state could one carry in OC? Why is there reciprocity with driver’s licenses and not with CCW?


34 posted on 03/26/2009 7:57:38 AM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: pissant
She looks like Frau Blücher from Young Frankenstein


35 posted on 03/26/2009 8:00:03 AM PDT by 2CAVTrooper (Today we've discovered a force more powerful than luck or genius----stupidity.)
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To: edcoil

That worked, thanks.


36 posted on 03/26/2009 8:01:22 AM PDT by magslinger (I talk to myself but sometimes I like a third opinion.)
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To: pissant

Guilty...


37 posted on 03/26/2009 8:02:20 AM PDT by The Electrician ("Government is the only enterprise in the world which expands in size when its failures increase.")
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To: pissant

Fine. Just send the “revocation order” back to the sheriff with a nice letter and a copy of the constitution. Better make it a copy in big print with lots of footnotes. I’m sure it is something with which she is completely unfamiliar.


38 posted on 03/26/2009 8:02:43 AM PDT by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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To: pissant

“The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress.” - Frederick Douglass


39 posted on 03/26/2009 8:03:52 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ("The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress." - F. Douglass)
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40 posted on 03/26/2009 8:06:34 AM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: AreaMan
Sheriffs and Chiefs of Police are almost always politicians first and cops a distant second. This woman is no different.

Exactly right, after 31 years of LE (I was always a "field hand" as I preferred not to violate my personal standards!) I always was amazed at how these people became instant experts at everything when they pin on a Sheriff's or Chief of Police badge. Needless to say I was always in awe--NOT!

Immediately, they became walking constitutional experts gracing everyone with their (twisted) opinions gleaned from the NYT or had this wonderful x-ray vision into a person's very soul and thought processes.

41 posted on 03/26/2009 8:07:52 AM PDT by brushcop (SFC Sallie, CPL Long, LTHarris, SSG Brown, PVT Simmons KIA OIF lll&V, they died for you, honor them)
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To: 2CAVTrooper

Blucher!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5IWHt4OoNk


42 posted on 03/26/2009 8:13:17 AM PDT by tumblindice
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To: Cheetahcat
I thought the State issues the Permits not a Rat wearing a costume.

California is a may issue state. Most states are shall issue conceal carry states.

Here in Missouri (a shall issue state) the sheriff collects a fee, finger prints you, does a back ground check with the FBI and will issue a permit if he/she feels you are ok. This is after you pass an approved cc gun class.

There is a time limit for the sheriff to say yes or no. If the sheriff says no, there is an appeal system in place for the citizen.

A map of the entire US showing how the various states handle concealed carry at

http://standeyo.com/News_Files/Firearms/right.to.carry.html

California,,,,, it all depends on the local sheriff is my understanding.

43 posted on 03/26/2009 8:18:27 AM PDT by TYVets
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To: mgc1122
.......of an idiot politician posing.....

She WAS elected. By whom, or what, we'll never know. Boxer, Feinstein, Waxman, Watts, ditto. And as far as the CA State Legislature goes, and it's damned far, they are voted in by multiple-voting illegal aliens, some of whom are actually alive.

Check in with B1 Bob Dornan, who thought illegal Mexicans were cute and hard workers who do a hell of a job on the lawn, until Loretta Sanchez used them, alive, dead, and completely imaginary, to cheat him out of office.

44 posted on 03/26/2009 8:20:30 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (The Election of 2008: Given the choice between stupid and evil, the stupid chose evil.)
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To: pissant

I’m sure this is all part of an attempt to stim that huge flood of fully automatic rifles they suddenly claim are sneaking into Mexico and causing the drug war.

Yea, sure. LIARS!


45 posted on 03/26/2009 8:23:20 AM PDT by The Toll
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To: pissant

Wow, that is very very ominous. Is California a “shall issue” state? Even if its not, revoking permits of political opponents should get her removed from office.


46 posted on 03/26/2009 8:24:51 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs earn the title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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To: brushcop
Exactly right, after 31 years of LE (I was always a "field hand" as I preferred not to violate my personal standards!) I always was amazed at how these people became instant experts at everything...

This is why California needs a "shall issue" law or amendment. But with the current makeup of the legislature that will never happen. The only way it will happen is if we do it through ballot initiative.

47 posted on 03/26/2009 8:39:35 AM PDT by AreaMan
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To: TYVets
“I thought the State issues the Permits not a Rat wearing a costume.
California is a may issue state. Most states are shall issue conceal carry states.

Here in Missouri (a shall issue state) the sheriff collects a fee, finger prints you, does a back ground check with the FBI and will issue a permit if he/she feels you are ok. This is after you pass an approved cc gun class.

There is a time limit for the sheriff to say yes or no. If the sheriff says no, there is an appeal system in place for the citizen.

A map of the entire US showing how the various states handle concealed carry at

http://standeyo.com/News_Files/Firearms/right.to.carry.html

California,,,,, it all depends on the local sheriff is my understanding.”

Thank You I was confused about this issue of politics and CCW But they have conveniently used the local Sheriff to control the issue of permits.

48 posted on 03/26/2009 8:40:02 AM PDT by Cheetahcat (Osamabama the Wright kind of Racist!)
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To: Cheetahcat
In most counties across the USA the local sheriff is the top law enforcement officer

It is my understanding that in several counties in California the sheriff will issue a concealed carry permit.

In other counties even if you have proof that a stalker is going to try to kill you tonight the sheriff will not issue.

49 posted on 03/26/2009 8:51:54 AM PDT by TYVets
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To: Kenny Bunk
She WAS elected. By whom, or what, we'll never know.

She was APPOINTED because the former Sheriff was a crook and got indicted for corruption and witness tampering.

50 posted on 03/26/2009 9:11:49 AM PDT by AreaMan
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