Skip to comments.National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Bill
Posted on 03/27/2009 1:07:32 PM PDT by ME-262
WASHINGTONU.S. Congressman Todd Tiahrt (R-Goddard) today co-sponsored the National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Bill (H.R. 197). This legislation would protect the rights of licensed firearm permit holders by allowing them to carry firearms across the country without a confusing patchwork system.
"The National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Bill recognizes that those who have a valid state-issued concealed firearms permit should not have to forfeit their safety when traveling," said Tiahrt. "Not only does this bill protect the rights of concealed firearm permit holders, it also maintains the right of states to issue concealed weapons permits as they desire. As a mobile society, legal firearm permit carriers should be able to travel from state to state and exercise their fundamental right to self defensethis legislation ensures that."
Specifically, the National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Bill would allow any person with a valid concealed firearm carrying permit or license, issued by a state, to carry a concealed firearm in any state, as follows:
* In states that issue concealed firearm permits, a states laws governing where concealed firearms may be carried would apply within its borders. * In states that do not issue carry permits, a federal "bright-line" standard would permit carrying in places other than police stations; courthouses; public polling places; meetings of state, county, or municipal governing bodies; schools; passenger areas of airports; and certain other locations. * The bill applies to D.C., Puerto Rico and U.S. territories. * It would not create a federal licensing system; it would require the states to recognize each others carry permits, just as they recognize drivers licenses and carry permits held by armored car guards.
Boy wouldn’t that be nice!!
At last, a representative with some brains....
Why not a law stating that it is illegal to prevent a law abiding, sober person from carrying a firearms anywhere they want?
nopw that would be nice.
I have to drive form my house in north east FL to CT soon and still haven’t figured if it is safe to take my SIG.
laws here , laws there it’s pathetic and I’m sure the founders would not have wanted this
Imagine back then.
hey we have to go to NH from NY but make sure your gun is unloaded when going through NY and make sure when you get to MA it is covered up, unloaded and you have told the authorities about your use of carry
Problem here is that the "O" wouldn't recognize the U.S. Constitution even if it were to smack him across the face (by the hand of James Madison and other patriots).
You’re right! We should have the right to carry w/o a permit.
You’re always safer WITH your SIG than without it.
Now, I’m not urging you to break any unconstitutionla laws, but facts are facts.
We already have that law.
generally speaking, the only time your really need the 2nd amendment is when they come to take it away....
Self defense doesn’t stop at some state line. I agree with you.
They won’t make people show ID to exercize their voting rights, because it could possibly disenfranchise poor people who can’t afford an ID, why not the same for gun rights?
Pisses me off to have to get out at Texline, take the magazine out of my .40 cal, put the weapon in the trunk, cut the corner to Raton, get back out, retrieve and reload the weapon...so I just don’t. The “Safety Corridor” is just a little safer when I’m headed to Colorado to pull duty!
...it would require the states to recognize each others carry permits, just as they recognize drivers licenses and carry permits held by armored car guards.
It's a shame when legislation is needed to enforce Article IV section 1.
If we do see any firearms legislation get traction, no matter how good the original intent might be, I believe that it will suffer a worse fate than the 1986 "Firearms Owners Protection Act", which was also turned into a full-auto ban. This Congress is far worse than 1986, and the Kenyan Clown's administration would be eager to see a bill as bad as can it get ramrodded through, unlike the Reagan administration. By the time Speaker Pelosi and Senator Reid got through with any firearms bill, it would be language straight from HCI's most cherished dreams.
Second, I would want clarification of "* In states that do not issue carry permits, a federal "bright-line" standard would permit carrying in places other than police stations; courthouses; public polling places; meetings of state, county, or municipal governing bodies; schools; passenger areas of airports; and certain other locations."
If this sentence would cause firearms owners in Alaska and Vermont to follow some sort of federal concealed-carry regime, then I think that this should be stricken and turned into something like: "* In states where firearms owners are not required to have a license for concealed carry ("non-requiring states"), then there shall be no change to the current status of firearms owners in those states. Furthermore, all states that require their own residents to have licenses for concealed-carry ("requiring states") must nonetheless permit untrammeled concealed carry for residents from non-requiring states."
I wonder what this will do to states like New York, Maryland, and others that issue permits on a “limited” basis. What about the residents of those states that are beholden to the whim of the legislatures. One can get an out of state permit from the likes of VA, FL, or UT, and thus circumvent tyrannical rule of their state’s legislature.
If that’s the case, it would force those states to conform to the standards recognized by 40 states in our Union. AMEN! HAHA Maryland, I’ll get my CCW whether you like it or not!
I’d be more than happy to hold on to your SIG during your stay here. ;^)
I wonder what it will do for states like mine (Vermont) where there’s no permitting at all. I can buy what I like and stuff it down my pants and walk out of the store with it that day LOL, as long as I have a VT drivers license (may not even need that, not sure).
I’d hate to see permitting come into VT just so I can carry through other states. I wish they’d just accept VT residency as permit enough but they probably won’t (if they even pass this which would be a shock).
As much as I’d love this, isn’t this a State issue?
Makes sense to me - but, that’s the problem. Obambi and his socialist friends won’t agree.
I thought we already had that right in the Constitution? sarc/off
We all have a right to carry permit. It was written a couple hundred years ago.
As much as Id love this, isnt this a State issue?
I'll make it easy for you....No. Not unless you have it disassembled in the trunk of your car with no ammunition.
That's not a legal opinion just that in New York for example you can get 3 1/2 years just for carrying the gun. Unless of course you are a celebtard, professional athlete or member of an oppressed minority.
I love this Bill!
Personally don’t want to see anymore legislation good or bad that instills more give and taketh away POWER to the Federal Government which shouldn’t be involved in most of the laws they are anyway.
The Fed has usurped the POWER of the States, thus the people.
What we need is the States to stand up to the Fed and put them in their place.
This may help you out.
I could be wrong, but this looks to be the First common sense, non-knee-jerk Bill this year. Did Nancy Pelosi get pulled over in DC for carrying or something? There’s gotta be a knee-jerk connection here somewhere! Actually, I kinda enjoyed finding routes to avoid blue states when I travel! Oh well, guess I could save some gas and ‘try out’ one of those blue, non-carry, states someday. Doubt if I’d ever stay overnite in one tho’! Just wouldn’t be prudent at this juncture!
You dont have to get out at Texline. NM law makes your car an extension of your home.
Well, that’s one.
The rest are still lined up over at Oz waiting for theirs.
In Alaska we do....carry concealed without a permit.
It is, but when you have 1/5th of the states that restrict the 2nd Amendment and various “approved” areas, then this is where the Interstate commerce clause of the Constitution is supposed to come into play. Taking away the growing confusion of what states recognize what states would prevent people from accidently making a mistake. Not only that, but some states only recognize “resident” permits, so if you hold a Utah or Florida permit (the most widely recognized permits), you cannot carry in those states.
I live in a state where they “may issue” if you have 3 documented death threats or are famous, a politician or carry a lot of money as a business owner, stand up straight at noon, use your sun dial properly, and then scratch and sniff three stickers and properly identify the scents. I’d be happy to backdoor through their hoops via this kind of legislation!
Actually, there are some common sense exclusion zones.
No firearms, or anything metal for that matter, near an MRI, unless you want to have your clothes torn off by a powerful magnetic field. The same applies to high temperature, high vibration, and explosive gases areas. Oddly enough, I’m not kidding. This happens all the time. (Some people have zero situational awareness. I had to physically restrain a guy who wanted to smoke a cigarette while standing in a half inch pool of gasoline.)
I agree. The only federal "law" that I personally want to see is one of my own composition, reading:
The Federal Firearms Freedom Recognition Act
- Title 18, Part I, Chapter 44 of the U.S. Code is hereby repealed.
- Title 26, Subtitle E, Chapter 53 of the U.S. Code is hereby repealed.
(Title 18, Chapter 44 is the chapter dealing with federal criminal laws with respect to firearms, and can be found, for instance, here at Cornell. Title 26, Chapter 53 is the chapter of the Internal Revenue Code that is an utter blight on the RKBA; it can be found here at Cornell also.)
However, with this current Congress and current administration, I don't even want to see my own act go through the legislative sausage mill right now: by the time Speaker Pelosi and Senator Reid got through with it, it would end up instead as the fondest hopes of HCI realized rather than their nemesis.
I am now completely against any Federal moves into what is a States Rights issue, it allows the federal government to further entangle itself, usurping State power.
After a few years on the books and funding to the states (= Leash) you will probably need a Federal Inter-State CCW Permit... for continuity and safety of course.
very true but sadly I can’t take it to jail either.
It’s frustrating trying to figure out how to get from the south to up there
More like a DD214 and a certificate of live birth. Just to keep the government OUT of a “right”.
This was years ago, but when I was a young Captain in the USAF, I was a legal resident of Florida and had a permit. My attitude was, “I’m on active duty defending my country, I have a permit from my state of legal residence so I can carry this weapon wherever I please.”
Years later, I was stopped in California because I had Florida plates on my vehicle and the CHP officer said, “I’ve seen you around here before. Why don’t you have California plates on your vehicle?” I had a loaded 12 ga on the back seat, but as soon as I showed my military ID, he thanked me and drove off.
2nd amendment says my right to bear arms shall never be infringed. What is it about conceal carry that’s so appealing? Its infringing on my right to carry by making me get a license... Eff that.
No, this would not be nice.
RKBA advocates should not pursue this type of legislation under any circumstances.
Think very hard for a moment of the mischief that lays down the road of “federal licensing” for the possession and carrying of firearms...
No. Just say no.
Bingo. You, sir, have grasped the ramifications of this legislation.
Once we create a federal licensing database... it is the thin edge of the wedge that will constantly be expanded.
No. We don’t go there.
This is one of those ideas that looks good on the surface, but when you pull back the layers... Not so good. ;-(
We need to get the word out to all 2A groups, family and friends to contact Reps and pull support for this bill.
It's just a little ol' single digit amendment to the constitution.
Why make a fuss over simple trivialities? /s
Accept your granted gift to service given by the omnipotent power of Washington and show some appreciation for your God given freedoms for crying out loud. /ranting with sarcasm
Some day we all will know who works for who and will live in harmony via the knowledge.
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