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National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Bill
www.tiahrt.house.gov ^ | 3/27/09 | Todd Tiahrt

Posted on 03/27/2009 1:07:32 PM PDT by ME-262

WASHINGTON—U.S. Congressman Todd Tiahrt (R-Goddard) today co-sponsored the National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Bill (H.R. 197). This legislation would protect the rights of licensed firearm permit holders by allowing them to carry firearms across the country without a confusing patchwork system.

"The National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Bill recognizes that those who have a valid state-issued concealed firearms permit should not have to forfeit their safety when traveling," said Tiahrt. "Not only does this bill protect the rights of concealed firearm permit holders, it also maintains the right of states to issue concealed weapons permits as they desire. As a mobile society, legal firearm permit carriers should be able to travel from state to state and exercise their fundamental right to self defense—this legislation ensures that."

Specifically, the National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Bill would allow any person with a valid concealed firearm carrying permit or license, issued by a state, to carry a concealed firearm in any state, as follows:

* In states that issue concealed firearm permits, a state’s laws governing where concealed firearms may be carried would apply within its borders. * In states that do not issue carry permits, a federal "bright-line" standard would permit carrying in places other than police stations; courthouses; public polling places; meetings of state, county, or municipal governing bodies; schools; passenger areas of airports; and certain other locations. * The bill applies to D.C., Puerto Rico and U.S. territories. * It would not create a federal licensing system; it would require the states to recognize each others’ carry permits, just as they recognize drivers’ licenses and carry permits held by armored car guards.


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KEYWORDS: 111th; banglist; bho44; bhobanglist; carry; guns; handgun; tiahrt
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1 posted on 03/27/2009 1:07:33 PM PDT by ME-262
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To: ME-262

Boy wouldn’t that be nice!!


2 posted on 03/27/2009 1:09:30 PM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: ME-262
Yeah O'bambam will be sure to sign this into law.
3 posted on 03/27/2009 1:09:39 PM PDT by Vaquero ( "an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Kansas58

Hey ping...


4 posted on 03/27/2009 1:11:18 PM PDT by lilycicero
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To: ME-262
It's about time!

At last, a representative with some brains....

5 posted on 03/27/2009 1:11:20 PM PDT by TheWriterTX (Proud Retrosexual Wife of 15 Years)
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To: ME-262

Why not a law stating that it is illegal to prevent a law abiding, sober person from carrying a firearms anywhere they want?


6 posted on 03/27/2009 1:12:16 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Socialism is the belief that most people are better off if everyone was equally poor and miserable.)
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To: ME-262

nopw that would be nice.
I have to drive form my house in north east FL to CT soon and still haven’t figured if it is safe to take my SIG.

laws here , laws there it’s pathetic and I’m sure the founders would not have wanted this

Imagine back then.
hey we have to go to NH from NY but make sure your gun is unloaded when going through NY and make sure when you get to MA it is covered up, unloaded and you have told the authorities about your use of carry


8 posted on 03/27/2009 1:15:24 PM PDT by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman no sick MA,CT sham marriage end racism end affirmative action)
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To: gwilhelm56
RE: "Someone will have to hold their 2nd Amendment to his head to get him to sign that!!!"

Problem here is that the "O" wouldn't recognize the U.S. Constitution even if it were to smack him across the face (by the hand of James Madison and other patriots).

9 posted on 03/27/2009 1:16:13 PM PDT by Trajan88 (www.bullittclub.com)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

You’re right! We should have the right to carry w/o a permit.


10 posted on 03/27/2009 1:17:01 PM PDT by Monterrosa-24 ( ...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: manc

You’re always safer WITH your SIG than without it.

Now, I’m not urging you to break any unconstitutionla laws, but facts are facts.


11 posted on 03/27/2009 1:17:42 PM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

We already have that law.


12 posted on 03/27/2009 1:18:13 PM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: gwilhelm56
Someone will have to hold their 2nd Amendment to his head to get him to sign that!!!

generally speaking, the only time your really need the 2nd amendment is when they come to take it away....

13 posted on 03/27/2009 1:19:47 PM PDT by Vaquero ( "an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: WayneS

Self defense doesn’t stop at some state line. I agree with you.


14 posted on 03/27/2009 1:20:07 PM PDT by devistate one four (Cw II on the way! Stand by. TET68)
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To: Monterrosa-24

They won’t make people show ID to exercize their voting rights, because it could possibly disenfranchise poor people who can’t afford an ID, why not the same for gun rights?


15 posted on 03/27/2009 1:20:24 PM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (Want to make a conservative angry? Lie to him. Want to make a liberal angry? Tell him the truth)
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To: GOP Poet

Pisses me off to have to get out at Texline, take the magazine out of my .40 cal, put the weapon in the trunk, cut the corner to Raton, get back out, retrieve and reload the weapon...so I just don’t. The “Safety Corridor” is just a little safer when I’m headed to Colorado to pull duty!

Colonel, USAFR


16 posted on 03/27/2009 1:27:18 PM PDT by jagusafr ("Bugs, Mr. Rico! Zillions of 'em!" - Robert Heinlein)
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To: ME-262
...it would require the states to recognize each others’ carry permits, just as they recognize drivers’ licenses and carry permits held by armored car guards.

It's a shame when legislation is needed to enforce Article IV section 1.

17 posted on 03/27/2009 1:28:50 PM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: ME-262
Two things: first, I don't think that we should try to pass any federal gun legislation with the current legislative and executive branches.

If we do see any firearms legislation get traction, no matter how good the original intent might be, I believe that it will suffer a worse fate than the 1986 "Firearms Owners Protection Act", which was also turned into a full-auto ban. This Congress is far worse than 1986, and the Kenyan Clown's administration would be eager to see a bill as bad as can it get ramrodded through, unlike the Reagan administration. By the time Speaker Pelosi and Senator Reid got through with any firearms bill, it would be language straight from HCI's most cherished dreams.

Second, I would want clarification of "* In states that do not issue carry permits, a federal "bright-line" standard would permit carrying in places other than police stations; courthouses; public polling places; meetings of state, county, or municipal governing bodies; schools; passenger areas of airports; and certain other locations."

If this sentence would cause firearms owners in Alaska and Vermont to follow some sort of federal concealed-carry regime, then I think that this should be stricken and turned into something like: "* In states where firearms owners are not required to have a license for concealed carry ("non-requiring states"), then there shall be no change to the current status of firearms owners in those states. Furthermore, all states that require their own residents to have licenses for concealed-carry ("requiring states") must nonetheless permit untrammeled concealed carry for residents from non-requiring states."

19 posted on 03/27/2009 1:33:36 PM PDT by snowsislander (NRA -- join today! 1-877-NRA-2000)
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To: ME-262

I wonder what this will do to states like New York, Maryland, and others that issue permits on a “limited” basis. What about the residents of those states that are beholden to the whim of the legislatures. One can get an out of state permit from the likes of VA, FL, or UT, and thus circumvent tyrannical rule of their state’s legislature.

If that’s the case, it would force those states to conform to the standards recognized by 40 states in our Union. AMEN! HAHA Maryland, I’ll get my CCW whether you like it or not!


20 posted on 03/27/2009 1:34:43 PM PDT by fightinbluhen51 ("MOLON LABE")
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To: manc

I’d be more than happy to hold on to your SIG during your stay here. ;^)


21 posted on 03/27/2009 1:36:20 PM PDT by DTogo (Time to bring back the Sons of Liberty.)
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To: fightinbluhen51

I wonder what it will do for states like mine (Vermont) where there’s no permitting at all. I can buy what I like and stuff it down my pants and walk out of the store with it that day LOL, as long as I have a VT drivers license (may not even need that, not sure).

I’d hate to see permitting come into VT just so I can carry through other states. I wish they’d just accept VT residency as permit enough but they probably won’t (if they even pass this which would be a shock).

LQ


22 posted on 03/27/2009 1:39:58 PM PDT by LizardQueen (The world is not out to get you, except in the sense that the world is out to get everyone.)
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To: Vaquero
Too bad nobody thought of this a year ago when we had a president who would have signed it.
23 posted on 03/27/2009 1:40:27 PM PDT by ME-262 (Stick it to the Man! - Down with Obama!)
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To: ME-262

As much as I’d love this, isn’t this a State issue?


24 posted on 03/27/2009 1:40:31 PM PDT by CodeToad (Anyone wanting the government to take over medical care should stand in line at the post office)
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To: GOP Poet

Makes sense to me - but, that’s the problem. Obambi and his socialist friends won’t agree.


25 posted on 03/27/2009 1:41:12 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a U.S. Army Infantry Soldier presently instructing at Ft. Benning.)
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To: ME-262
But, don't "married" gays insist their marriage in one state be recognized in all??

Equal rights??

26 posted on 03/27/2009 1:43:08 PM PDT by DTogo (Time to bring back the Sons of Liberty.)
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To: ME-262

I thought we already had that right in the Constitution? sarc/off


27 posted on 03/27/2009 1:46:06 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: ME-262

We all have a right to carry permit. It was written a couple hundred years ago.


28 posted on 03/27/2009 1:52:26 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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To: CodeToad

As much as I’d love this, isn’t this a State issue?


No, it’s like driver’s licenses. It is an infringement on interstate commerce to turn someone into a criminal when they cross the state line, because they have a license issued in their state, and not yours.


29 posted on 03/27/2009 1:52:57 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Security sucks. I want my freedom back.)
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To: manc
"I have to drive form my house in north east FL to CT soon and still haven’t figured if it is safe to take my SIG."

I'll make it easy for you....No. Not unless you have it disassembled in the trunk of your car with no ammunition.

That's not a legal opinion just that in New York for example you can get 3 1/2 years just for carrying the gun. Unless of course you are a celebtard, professional athlete or member of an oppressed minority.

30 posted on 03/27/2009 1:52:58 PM PDT by marlon (Does anyone know the precedure for impeachment for a teleprompter?)
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To: ME-262

I love this Bill!


31 posted on 03/27/2009 1:53:47 PM PDT by BellStar (Buy Gold/lead and head for the hills please God give us another chance!)
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To: snowsislander

Personally don’t want to see anymore legislation good or bad that instills more give and taketh away POWER to the Federal Government which shouldn’t be involved in most of the laws they are anyway.

The Fed has usurped the POWER of the States, thus the people.

What we need is the States to stand up to the Fed and put them in their place.


32 posted on 03/27/2009 1:55:25 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...Call 'em What you Will, They ALL have Fairies Living In Their Trees.)
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To: manc

This may help you out.

http://www.personaldefensesolutions.net/ccw/CCW01.html


33 posted on 03/27/2009 1:55:43 PM PDT by panaxanax (Reward paid for any Harvard Yearbook with pictures of 0bama in it.)
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To: ME-262

I could be wrong, but this looks to be the First common sense, non-knee-jerk Bill this year. Did Nancy Pelosi get pulled over in DC for carrying or something? There’s gotta be a knee-jerk connection here somewhere! Actually, I kinda enjoyed finding routes to avoid blue states when I travel! Oh well, guess I could save some gas and ‘try out’ one of those blue, non-carry, states someday. Doubt if I’d ever stay overnite in one tho’! Just wouldn’t be prudent at this juncture!


34 posted on 03/27/2009 1:56:41 PM PDT by CRBDeuce (here, while the internet is still free of the Fairness Doctrine)
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To: jagusafr

You dont have to get out at Texline. NM law makes your car an extension of your home.


35 posted on 03/27/2009 2:00:09 PM PDT by Concho (01-20-2009--The beginning of an ERROR)
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To: TheWriterTX

Well, that’s one.
The rest are still lined up over at Oz waiting for theirs.


36 posted on 03/27/2009 2:01:26 PM PDT by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: Monterrosa-24

In Alaska we do....carry concealed without a permit.


37 posted on 03/27/2009 2:05:04 PM PDT by silverkor
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To: CodeToad

It is, but when you have 1/5th of the states that restrict the 2nd Amendment and various “approved” areas, then this is where the Interstate commerce clause of the Constitution is supposed to come into play. Taking away the growing confusion of what states recognize what states would prevent people from accidently making a mistake. Not only that, but some states only recognize “resident” permits, so if you hold a Utah or Florida permit (the most widely recognized permits), you cannot carry in those states.

I live in a state where they “may issue” if you have 3 documented death threats or are famous, a politician or carry a lot of money as a business owner, stand up straight at noon, use your sun dial properly, and then scratch and sniff three stickers and properly identify the scents. I’d be happy to backdoor through their hoops via this kind of legislation!


38 posted on 03/27/2009 2:05:04 PM PDT by fightinbluhen51 ("MOLON LABE")
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Actually, there are some common sense exclusion zones.

No firearms, or anything metal for that matter, near an MRI, unless you want to have your clothes torn off by a powerful magnetic field. The same applies to high temperature, high vibration, and explosive gases areas. Oddly enough, I’m not kidding. This happens all the time. (Some people have zero situational awareness. I had to physically restrain a guy who wanted to smoke a cigarette while standing in a half inch pool of gasoline.)


39 posted on 03/27/2009 2:06:21 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: rockinqsranch
Personally don’t want to see anymore legislation good or bad that instills more give and taketh away POWER to the Federal Government which shouldn’t be involved in most of the laws they are anyway.

I agree. The only federal "law" that I personally want to see is one of my own composition, reading:

The Federal Firearms Freedom Recognition Act

  1. Title 18, Part I, Chapter 44 of the U.S. Code is hereby repealed.
  2. Title 26, Subtitle E, Chapter 53 of the U.S. Code is hereby repealed.

(Title 18, Chapter 44 is the chapter dealing with federal criminal laws with respect to firearms, and can be found, for instance, here at Cornell. Title 26, Chapter 53 is the chapter of the Internal Revenue Code that is an utter blight on the RKBA; it can be found here at Cornell also.)

However, with this current Congress and current administration, I don't even want to see my own act go through the legislative sausage mill right now: by the time Speaker Pelosi and Senator Reid got through with it, it would end up instead as the fondest hopes of HCI realized rather than their nemesis.

40 posted on 03/27/2009 2:14:42 PM PDT by snowsislander (NRA -- join today! 1-877-NRA-2000)
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To: ME-262; All
I used to agree with this type of bill but after studying the possible ramifications on down the line, I think it is a dangerous move.

I am now completely against any Federal moves into what is a States Rights issue, it allows the federal government to further entangle itself, usurping State power.

After a few years on the books and funding to the states (= Leash) you will probably need a Federal Inter-State CCW Permit... for continuity and safety of course.

41 posted on 03/27/2009 2:23:34 PM PDT by AvOrdVet ("Put the wagons in a circle for all the good it'll do")
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To: WayneS

very true but sadly I can’t take it to jail either.

It’s frustrating trying to figure out how to get from the south to up there


42 posted on 03/27/2009 2:24:31 PM PDT by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman no sick MA,CT sham marriage end racism end affirmative action)
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To: ME-262

BTTT


43 posted on 03/27/2009 2:24:56 PM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (ACORN:American Corruption for Obama Right Now)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

More like a DD214 and a certificate of live birth. Just to keep the government OUT of a “right”.


44 posted on 03/27/2009 2:30:44 PM PDT by S.O.S121.500 (That Kenyan bastard is not my president.)
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To: jagusafr

This was years ago, but when I was a young Captain in the USAF, I was a legal resident of Florida and had a permit. My attitude was, “I’m on active duty defending my country, I have a permit from my state of legal residence so I can carry this weapon wherever I please.”

Years later, I was stopped in California because I had Florida plates on my vehicle and the CHP officer said, “I’ve seen you around here before. Why don’t you have California plates on your vehicle?” I had a loaded 12 ga on the back seat, but as soon as I showed my military ID, he thanked me and drove off.


45 posted on 03/27/2009 2:34:45 PM PDT by CholeraJoe (Turning gold into lead!)
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To: ME-262

2nd amendment says my right to bear arms shall never be infringed. What is it about conceal carry that’s so appealing? Its infringing on my right to carry by making me get a license... Eff that.


46 posted on 03/27/2009 2:56:08 PM PDT by smith288 (Americans suffer from Stockholm Syndrome with the government)
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To: GOP Poet

No, this would not be nice.

RKBA advocates should not pursue this type of legislation under any circumstances.

Think very hard for a moment of the mischief that lays down the road of “federal licensing” for the possession and carrying of firearms...

No. Just say no.


47 posted on 03/27/2009 3:06:21 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: AvOrdVet

Bingo. You, sir, have grasped the ramifications of this legislation.

Once we create a federal licensing database... it is the thin edge of the wedge that will constantly be expanded.

No. We don’t go there.


48 posted on 03/27/2009 3:07:59 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: NVDave; All
Once we create a federal licensing database... it is the thin edge of the wedge that will constantly be expanded.

This is one of those ideas that looks good on the surface, but when you pull back the layers... Not so good. ;-(

We need to get the word out to all 2A groups, family and friends to contact Reps and pull support for this bill.

49 posted on 03/27/2009 3:29:27 PM PDT by AvOrdVet ("Put the wagons in a circle for all the good it'll do")
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To: manc
...hey we have to go to NH from NY but make sure your gun is unloaded when going through NY and make sure when you get to MA it is covered up, unloaded and you have told the authorities about your use of carry...

It's just a little ol' single digit amendment to the constitution.

Why make a fuss over simple trivialities? /s

Accept your granted gift to service given by the omnipotent power of Washington and show some appreciation for your God given freedoms for crying out loud. /ranting with sarcasm

Some day we all will know who works for who and will live in harmony via the knowledge.

50 posted on 03/27/2009 3:40:10 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, Question everyone else)
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