Skip to comments.Kristol: All Hail Obama!
Posted on 03/27/2009 2:00:11 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
I asked the boss for a reaction to the Afghan speech. He said he would have framed a few things differently, but his basic response was: "All hail Obama!"
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Is that really what Kristol is saying? I did not see the speech
I’d say ‘Ah, hell, Obama!’
I hate to be the one to dispel any silly notions to the contrary that are still held by misguided people who think he's actually a "conservative."
Forgive me if I find the question a bit strange. Are you implying that Kristol is attempting to lead us somewhere, or that he has some sort of influence with the Obama administration?
Are you suggesting that we should not support the war in Afghanistan?
The neocons never met a foreign war that they didn’t like. Now...that Obama has shown himself to be a felllow Wilsonian, the neocons are more than happy to abandon the GOP and return to their original home in the Democratic party. They hover around power likes moths to a flame.
It’s not Obama’s war. It’s America’s. And I pray he listens to the generals
It has become a futile crusade and sinkhole with no apparent purpose. Moreover, we can’t afford it. Now...if you want to blindly follow Obama that is your right but please don’t ask me to pay for it. The pretense that we were chasing Bin Laden has been given up years ago.
I agree with you ...The lesson of Vietnam (long forgotten by the left) is :dont let politicians micro manage a war
Please define in one sentence the goal of Obama’s war. Capture Bin Laden? Do you really believe that?
Blindly? No. Regretfully? Probably. The real difficulty is that the country really was being used for training camps and a staging area for at least one successful attack on U.S. soil. It isn't an imperialistic project.
I don’t think he will listen and therefore it is his...to the detriment of us all.
My take on President Obama could best be described as “What the hail?”
Who cares what Kristol thinks. This war was started by AQ and the Taliban, not us. GWB invaded with 95% of REAL conservatives in support of it, not to mention the vast majority of Americans.
This fight belongs to all of us.
Heard part of this speech. Whoever wrote it and we can be sure it wasn’t Obama in any shape or form, was pretty clear and exact.
This is in fact the only “Obama” speech I’ve heard. It was actually serious and cited the threat to the West being laid by Al Qaeda in operational plans in Pakistan.
So this was a serious speech that merits attention because it is acknowledging the threat to all of us here.
Now the question about staying power and the military capability remains to be seen. The combat brigades requested will remain unfulfilled even with the increases over the next year as I understand it.
So where will we be in a year or so? If we aren’t able to disrupt the known 150+ camps of Al Qaeda now, how do we expect to stop their operations?
Kristol and others do not have this awareness apparently. it will be moot if Al Qaeda is able to execute an operation in the West.
“Its not Obamas war. Its Americas. And I pray he listens to the generals...’
If he does, I pray the Generals do NOT send ground troops into that moonscape to chase down a bunch of rag tag camel jockeys that could be of no possible threat other than offer the kind of real estate to al queda that can be obliterated from the air. Destroy the poppies from the air, kill the happy campers from the air, but stay the hell out of a ground war.
It is not Obama’s war. It is America’s. Fortunately, the RonPaul/Dennis Kucinich wing of the Republicrats were unable to persuade the marxist Obama to abandon it, just yet anyway.
AQ is pretty much driven into Pakistan (our ally) and we just fighting the Taliban now and they are gaining!. Nobody is talking about Bin Laden any more, who is probably in Pakistan. We can’t afford to spend any more blood and treasure on this. Where do intend to get money for this project? Obama’s printing press?
Why? Our ground troops have been mopping the goat f*****s up with efficiency and valor.
Could it just be that Obama thinks he is Woodrow Wilson? Conservatives lose all suspicion on presidential power when it comes to foreign policy. Very strange. Why blindly believe him on this and then doubt him on everything else?
“It has become a futile crusade and sinkhole with no apparent purpose.”
So responding to the largest terrorist attack on American soil is a “futile crusade”?
Just mopping up? Then why is Obama throwing more troops in and why do you support him?
They are gaining? Been reading the NY Times a bit too much lately? The same NY Times that every year tells us about the new Taliban Spring Offensive that never materializes in any effectiveness. I will give you that they have adapted and now use more suicide bombers to kill civies than before. That is desperation, however, not a winning strategy.
“Why? Our ground troops have been mopping the goat f*****s up with efficiency and valor.”
I don’t dispute that, I just don’t know why...
It may have started that way but this is 2009 not 2002. Is there any limit? Can we ever consider leaving trashcanistan or are you willing to blindly give Obama a blank check to stay there for his entire administration.
Cause just using Air Power alone does not work. Sometimes we have to send in the troops kill the bad guys who hide from the bombs..
And sending more even more troops eight years later shows that our current strateyg of relying on troops is working because......?
Did I say “just mopping up”, as in the war is near its end? I said they have been mopping them. Meaning wiping them out. Have been doing it since we got there. The brits and the canucks and the Aussies also have been doing superb work. Why just yesterday....
At least 12 Taliban fighters killed in Afghanistan battles
Taliban lose 130 in three day battle with Marines
I don’t recall wars has to have a timetable.. I prefer that we stay over there and kill as much as possible so they don’t come here..
“Could it just be that Obama thinks he is Woodrow Wilson? Conservatives lose all suspicion on presidential power when it comes to foreign policy. Very strange. Why blindly believe him on this and then doubt him on everything else?”
Because it’s somewhat obvious to the military people I would guess that this speech and it’s primary objectives to this point in principle are one and the same in the speech.
The question is a political one though. What is the political will to follow through on this and to seriously go beyond the limited intel on Al Qaeda actors and take not only them out wherever possible (via Predator, etc.) and actually attempt to take down the whole operations network.
This is a FORMIDABLE challenge. And we just don’t know the answer to these important questions.
The speech indicates some serious steps but they are as I understand it inadequate on both counts. And we know our NATO allies will not step up. We have some great NATO soldiers, UK and France, Canada, just not enough of them.
And if that’s a problem now in Afghanistan, it doesn’t even begin to tackle the issues over the border in Pakistan. This is a huge, complex problem. I really don’t think we have an adequate policy here. It appears we are giving it a shot, but what’s behind it? Is there commitment, utter intent to take down Al Qaeda in Pakistan, and longevity to do so by taking on the Taliban?
That’s not clear. Not by a long shot. We just got a decent speech with policy intent today.
The more I think about the speech, the less impressed I am. Ask me a year to eighteen months out what I think. My guess is we will be discussing our inadequacies that led to the failure to forestall Al Qaeda.
The Taliban come here? When has that happened? The answer btw is never. They are the only folks we are now fighting in Afghanistan. AQ, probably only a few hundred or so now, is in Pakistan. This has turned into a Wilsonian nation building project but, heh, if you want to blindly trust Obama to do the right thing, go ahead. Also, how do intend to buy for this endless war.....and it has become endless.
Thanks for the thoughtful post. I would ask: But why believe that Obama is even telling the truth about AQ? We often get into trouble when we trust presidents (Republican or Democrat) to level with us. At the very least, we should follow Reagan’s rule of trust but verify.
It seems like you prefer that you live in a world in which you think that the oceans are going to protect us like it us too in the past. I don’t care how long it takes and as for paying for it we should cut some useless social programs or maybe your idol Paul should give up his earmarks for the Afgan war..
Re-read your history. The oceans never protected us. Throughout the eighteenth and much of the ninteenth century, the U.S. was often surrounded by the possessions of hostile powers including the British to the North and the Spanish and French to the South and West.
You seem to be willing to believe and blindly follow Obama hook, line, sinker. That is your right but don't criticize me for daring to doubt the good intentions of our new maximum leader.
“Cause just using Air Power alone does not work. Sometimes we have to send in the troops kill the bad guys who hide from the bombs..”
I get that and I would be with you if we were talking about the DNC, but the Tall-ee-bawn should just NOT be on our radar...they were protecting AQ, but now they are just bad guys living in a craphole at the end of the earth and I don’t care...I would rather have a ground force where it is needed...like on the Mexican border...and that shthole ain’t worth it...
Cmon now. We need to withdraw and feel the pride we felt when the leftists pulled the plug on Vietnam, though we never lost a battle. Of course, the leftists preferred and still prefer the communists over the US.
But just for the target practice alone, Afghanistan is worth it.
NATO: 10 Taliban killed in Afghan raid - Senior commander among targeted militants
33 Taliban killed in clashes with NATO forces
Five killed in Mirali drone attack
Massive military operation disrupts Taliban staging ground
Afghanistan: Coalition forces kill 12 militants
US missile strike in Kurram agency levels Taliban training camp
NATO Troops Kill Senior Taliban Commander
Let’s hope every jihadi on the planet chooses to fight in Afghanistan.
He clearly believes that an effective counterterrorism approach requires an effective counterinsurgency strategy, aimed not only at killing bad guys but at strengthening Afghan civil society and governing structures, providing the necessary security to the population so that it can resist pressures from the Taliban, and significantly increasing the much-derided nation-building element of the strategy. The United States, he argues, has to help the Afghan people fulfill the promise of a better future, by rooting out government corruption, helping the elected government provide basic services, fighting the narcotics trade, and, in general, advancing security, opportunity, and justice.
In other words, it's not even a "war" anymore. The U.S. military is effectively functioning as a well-armed Peace Corps. And these "neo-con" dingbats are perfectly comfortable with this -- because that's what they've ALWAYS been about.
As much as we would love to see Afghanistan a free settled country, it’s history begs the question. They don’t call it the empire killer for nothing.
So you prefer that we leave Afghanistan and let the jihadis overrun the still too weak national government there? LOL. As for not being a war, see post 41. There’s alotta dead goat f*****s even since Ears took over.
Yea, and Iraq couldn’t be won either.
“Eine Volke, Eine Reich, Eine Obama”
If Afghanistan is a threat to the U.S., then turn it into a smoking ruins and hit the road.
Obama lies every which way but at least in this speech the heavy hand of reality and the military facts were self-evident.
It may be due to the underlying seriousness of the matter. What was illuminating was the reference to Al Qaeda operations targeted at the West from there right now.
He clearly wants it on the record that he recognizes that reality and is at least formulating a strategy to take that on. But for how long and at what cost. I don’t believe that commitment was stated. I did not listen to the whole thing though to be honest.
It was my first attempt to even listen to Obama. I usually avoid it entirely. The nature of the subject matter was the only reason. That and to see who else from the military side was present for it. Because that’s important too.
As before, it is the Pashtun Taliban that is hosting “foreigners” from Al Qaeda who happen to Arab, Uzbekis among others.
Shoot, I think there are even Chechens there.
So when someone references the Taliban coming here, it’s apparent what their meaning is in this regard. No one expects Mullah Omar to be on our shores, but his people are certainly helping make it possible for Al Qaeda.
That is what the no war crowd keeps missing. It is no longer “Afghanistan” that is a threat. Afghanistan was a threat, because the Taliban controlled 3/4 of the country and they allied themselves with AQ and other sundry terrorists. And it was from his spread in Afghanistan that OBL was able to conduct his business. The business of training jihadis and sending them out to US soil as “students”, tourists and the like.
It is my sincerest hope that the jihadis continue to pour into afghanistan from all around the world. It is their death trap.