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New Mormon anti-freeper site and campaign to bankrupt FR
rumor mill | March 29, 2009 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 03/29/2009 2:35:03 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

I understand there is a new anti-freeper site started by disgruntled former and present Mormon FReepers and it is their intention of bankrupting FR during the coming Freepathon by withholding their donations and disrupting our activities. Well, all I can say is, if they feel that badly against FR, by all means they should withhold their donations and drop out of FR. But it they attempt to disrupt our operations I will guarantee they will no longer be members of FR. If that is their wish, so be it.

I'm not going to try to defend FR from their claims of religious persecution, but I will say that Mormons have and always have had free reign to post their threads on FR just as all other religious groups have enjoyed. Free Republic defends the right to freedom of religion and has always welcomed religious discussion and always will. And Mormons have always been welcome here. I have absolutely nothing against Mormons.

If you are one who has left or is leaving, I wish you well, but disruption of FR is not welcome and will not be tolerated.

And this is not the first time such activity has been attempted by groups of disgruntled former FReepers. Good luck with that. There is always some group that feels FR should be bent to their way of thinking and end up saying my way or the highway. Well, I don't know about you, but I'm not changing so I guess it's the highway. Is it Feb 8 yet?

God bless.


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To: All
Talk about your fevered prose!

Watch out everyone, I think we have a case of assault with a deadly keyboard:

And perhaps a committee can be appointed to find out these things, and to take statements and affidavits; and also to gather up the libelous publications that are afloat;

And all that are in the magazines, and in the encyclopedias, and all the libelous histories that are published, and are writing, and by whom, and present the whole concatenation of diabolical rascality and nefarious and murderous impositions that have been practised upon this people—

That we may not only publish to all the world, but present them to the heads of government in all their dark and hellish hue, as the last effort which is enjoined on us by our Heavenly Father, before we can fully and completely claim that promise which shall call him forth from his hiding place; and also that the whole nation may be left without excuse before he can send forth the power of his mighty arm.

It is an imperative duty that we owe to God, to angels, with whom we shall be brought to stand, and also to ourselves, to our wives and children, who have been made to bow down with grief, sorrow, and care, under the most damning hand of murder, tyranny, and oppression, supported and urged on and upheld by the influence of that spirit which hath so strongly riveted the creeds of the fathers, who have inherited lies, upon the hearts of the children, and filled the world with confusion, and has been growing stronger and stronger, and is now the very mainspring of all corruption, and the whole earth groans under the weight of its iniquity.

Not just diabolical rascality, but the whole concatenation of diabolical rascality!

We're doomed.

101 posted on 03/29/2009 3:34:54 PM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: restornu; em2vn; Jim Robinson
"..It could be well be someone wanting to cause friction between FR and Mormons.."

Bingo. Considering the tactics of our adversaries, that would be the first tree to shake. Just because the average person would never operate this way, does not make it unlikely.

The things in this world that unite us should far exceed the things that would divide us.

102 posted on 03/29/2009 3:35:08 PM PDT by labette ( Humble student of Thinkology)
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To: Drango

Dear Jesus, that site is too funny. Are you sure it isn’t a spoof?

Look at this from the site:

“Reply by Greg West on March 24, 2009 at 5:53am
I had not previously included grayfoxx39 on the anti-Mormon list, although he has appeared in other discussions, sometimes critical of the Church, other times somewhat supportive. During one of the discussion threads in the above list, he admitted that he is apparently a long-term inactive member or former member. However, during one of the more recent discussions, he betrayed sacred covenants and made statements that would serve to give aid and comfort to the anti-Mormon side. From now on, he will be listed as one of the antis on FR.”

What is betraying sacred covenants?


103 posted on 03/29/2009 3:35:23 PM PDT by Maelstorm (This country was not founded with the battle cry "Give me liberty or give me a government check!")
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To: Jim Robinson

Religious intolerance directed at a number of different sects pops up fairly often on and off the Religion forum, Jim. I’ve been repeatedly condemned for my Calvinist beliefs on several threads.

Because the church where I attend services welcomes everyone with no preconditions to lifestyle, views on reproductive issues or religous belief, I have been accused of supporting abortion, embryonic stem cell research, gay lifestyle, and sex orgies.

The moderators do a good job on the Religion Forum, but I still see bias among posters on news and chat.


104 posted on 03/29/2009 3:35:42 PM PDT by CholeraJoe (Turning gold into lead!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Any Mormons who claim religious persecution from FR are either delusional,have a hidden agenda, or are thinned skinned.
Reminds me of the woman who sued McD’ because the hot coffee was hot.
The problem is, although it was a foolish idea from a fool, the fool won.

Mormons of FR, answer me this:

If Mormons believe in Jesus and Jesus said Christians WILL be persecuted, and he didn’t say to whine about it, what’s up?


105 posted on 03/29/2009 3:36:50 PM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: freeplancer; colorcountry; Colofornian; Elsie; FastCoyote; svcw; Zakeet; SkyPilot; rightazrain; ...
Where is your proof? I am on many Mormon ping lists and I have not heard anything about this. This sounds like a creative way to get people riled up against Mormons. I expect better than just accusations and rumors. I have not had any problem donating to FR since 2001.

This is no myth Freeplancer. Here is the link to the open site in question.. And YES I am on his little list. This little log was started by a former freeper "gregwest" who came back a couple weeks ago as SpamLDS. He started baiting and insulting Freepers in an attempt to lure them to his blog site to debate in a fair manner. He was zotted by the mod for pimping his little social site (80 members) among other reasons. Before his SPAM closed their blog to registered members only, reading the posts made DU look tame at times.

He abused his privileges here and now is crying victim status.

106 posted on 03/29/2009 3:36:56 PM PDT by Godzilla (If the first step in an argument is wrong everything that follows is wrong. ~C.S. Lewis, The Problem)
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To: restornu
I don’t know what that site is or who started it but I am disappointed that someone would think practcing LDS would behave like the anti mainstream.

restornu, as you and I have sparred on Romney threads, I am relieved and happy to see this response. :^)

Reading further in the thread, I see that it hurts your feelings to be painted with such a such a brush as to underwrite a bad deed bent on sabotaging a good thing like Free Republic. But pardon me if I misunderstand, isn't being a tithe-paying Mormon a bit like being a member of the Teacher's Association or the RNC, where the money goes where they choose, even if you oppose?

I share your frustration, though ... it's as hurtful as being painted with the brush of religious bigotry and "hatred" that, as we both well know, pro Romney people are very apt to do to folks like me on Free Republic in threads that seek to thrust Romney onto the GOP stage.

107 posted on 03/29/2009 3:37:10 PM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent.)
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To: lnzog

Yeah generalizations are like that but it is hard to take such reasoning seriously given the fact that Romney got 9 out of 10 votes of self identified Mormons during the primary. If he hadn’t been Mormon a man with his not so conservative record would never have had a chance. It reminds me of the black vote for Obama. Racism and religious bigotry cuts more than one way. At least blacks did as they always do they vote liberal Democrat. I’ve never seen so many Mormon Republicans vote for a liberal Republican before so I can only surmise it must have been because he was a Mormon.


108 posted on 03/29/2009 3:40:08 PM PDT by Maelstorm (This country was not founded with the battle cry "Give me liberty or give me a government check!")
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To: freeplancer
I will have the name of who runs that site by tonight.

His name is Greg West. Knew it a couple of weeks ago.

109 posted on 03/29/2009 3:40:15 PM PDT by Godzilla (If the first step in an argument is wrong everything that follows is wrong. ~C.S. Lewis, The Problem)
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To: Jim Robinson

Well I’m LDS but I understand FR is your house, and your rules. If other LDS members are disgruntled about this then kick em out, that does for anti-LDS members too.

Far as the mormon, catholic, evangelical, and whatever else bashing going on around here people should stop worrying about other peoples beliefs and deal with the Constitutional Usurper claiming to be POTUS. Let God deal with the differences in belief in him later, let us mortals deal with things we can handle now.


110 posted on 03/29/2009 3:40:34 PM PDT by Domandred (Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.)
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To: TN4Liberty

Good point! lol


111 posted on 03/29/2009 3:41:21 PM PDT by Maelstorm (This country was not founded with the battle cry "Give me liberty or give me a government check!")
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To: Domandred

“...people should stop worrying about other peoples beliefs and deal with the Constitutional Usurper claiming to be POTUS.”

Hear! Hear!


112 posted on 03/29/2009 3:41:43 PM PDT by Boucheau ("...if destruction be our lot we must ourselves be its author and finisher." Abe)
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To: fanfan

I just get things done, however, whatever.


113 posted on 03/29/2009 3:41:49 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Beware Obama's Reichstag Fire.)
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To: Boucheau
I think all religious posts should be disallowed, or given defined sections of FR within which to post away from the main public traffic.

The Mormon threads are almost always posted exclusively the Religion Forum. You don't need to read the threads.
http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/religion-forum/index

114 posted on 03/29/2009 3:42:11 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Admin Moderator; restornu

No problem, I like restornu, sorry


115 posted on 03/29/2009 3:42:25 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
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To: Maelstorm
Are you sure it isn’t a spoof?

Beats me. I just saw it 10 minuets ago like everyone else....Now , like everyone else, I'm toggling back and forth digging for info. Like a cool picture. (seriously, I need to shut-up, I don't want to be the 37th FReeper on their list)


116 posted on 03/29/2009 3:44:05 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Domandred

History show that a people divided is a people soon to be conquered.

Let’s focus on what our common bonds are as humans.

Your religion isn’t going to allowed to flourish if the country isn’t free.

What any of you could do to another religion will PALE IN COMPARISON to what the collectivists could do to you.


117 posted on 03/29/2009 3:44:25 PM PDT by Boucheau ("...if destruction be our lot we must ourselves be its author and finisher." Abe)
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To: Jim Robinson

That looks like the handy work of Ron Paul people I have come across a lot of youtube on the what our prophets have said and can’t post them as I would like to use them because Ron Paul face is stuck in there he is not even LDS.

I was looking aone today but could not use it because a Politcial machine has usrup our prophets to me it some exstream LDS who is misuning the words of the LDS prophet
that is a no no I would not even do it for Romney!

Biblical things our are about people as whole to wake up!

I love what the Prophets warn but who ever did this is misusing the Church for their gain very bad

I love sharing the Book of Mormon minus Ron Paul!

I am not sure but I think this one is tainted with Ron Paul The Book of Mormon and Freedom
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOOonUiGOjs

Mormons for Ron Paul
http://mormonsforronpaul.com/

I don’t know who they are???


118 posted on 03/29/2009 3:44:41 PM PDT by restornu (Moreover he refused the tabernacle of Joseph, and chose not the tribe of Ephraim: Psalm 78;68)
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To: DB
If you wouldn't say it to someone standing directly in front of you, you shouldn't say it online just because you can.

Yes indeed.

And it's a mighty tough temptation to always resist! But it's always worth striving for.

119 posted on 03/29/2009 3:44:47 PM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent.)
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To: trisham
I'm shocked and disappointed.

I'm agnostic and I don't care.

120 posted on 03/29/2009 3:45:10 PM PDT by Glenn (Free Venezuela!)
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To: Boucheau

Want “holier than thou?” Re-read your post, then look in a mirror.


121 posted on 03/29/2009 3:45:14 PM PDT by Julia H. (Remember when dissent was patriotic?)
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To: Admin Moderator

That makes me feel so good thank you!


122 posted on 03/29/2009 3:45:36 PM PDT by restornu (Moreover he refused the tabernacle of Joseph, and chose not the tribe of Ephraim: Psalm 78;68)
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To: Jim Robinson
I have not heard of a Mormon anti-FR site.
And I don't understand how such a site would be structured.
I can't imagine, if there was such a site, how it could negatively impact FR financially.
So I don't think people should get worked up about nothing.

There are a number of Mormon web sites, even some that discuss the relationship of their religion to politics.
These have existed for many years, some probably older than FR. So what? It's a free country.

I am reading on this thread that FR is open. Mormons can answer the Mormon bashers if they wish.

However, I think a more important question is why should Mormons be put into a position to have to defend themselves. We need to keep focused on the goal, to reestablish a conservative government. anything else is a diversion. We only serve the God-less democrats if we break up into subgroups taking pot shots at each other. We need to work together. We should not be under attack for things that don't matter in terms of our primary goal.

I think it is stupid to do that.

123 posted on 03/29/2009 3:45:39 PM PDT by broncobilly
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To: Jim Robinson

Does this mean that daily mormon doctine in breaking news is gone forever?


124 posted on 03/29/2009 3:46:19 PM PDT by dangerdoc (dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
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To: Jim Robinson

As an LDS freeper, let me say that I have had my run in’s with those who don’t agree with or even like my religion. It has saddened me to see people on here that are so passionately against my personal beliefs. But, they are few in number and it should be noted that there are far more people on FR who don’t have a problem in the world with Mormons. Indeed, during this dust up over Proposition 8 in California, the coming together of Religious Conservatives of all faiths was clearly evident here on FR and was very gratifying to see.

Defend your faith, yes. There’s nothing wrong with that. But remember that we are counseled to do so in the Spirit of the Lord and I may not be a General Authority but, I’m pretty sure that disrupting and bankrupting a website that you deem to be “the opposition” isn’t compatible with His Spirit. The counsel “live your religion” applies to cyberspace as well. So, if you feel that strongly about FR, change to more Gospel friendly tactics or go somewhere else.


125 posted on 03/29/2009 3:47:09 PM PDT by Reaganesque
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To: Jim Robinson

What’s really sad is I just went to religion and saw there was just as many pro-LDS threads as so called ‘anti’ threads. I’ve seen that sight, and they have a very lose definition of what is anti-Mormon, they even counted one thread talking about Mormons buying advertising.. the entire thread was positive, but they called it a bash...

I wish they would note that all religions and sects have pro and anti here.. that is the point of this site..


126 posted on 03/29/2009 3:47:15 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: Godzilla; Jim Robinson

I am a member of FreeRepublic who left Mormonism. I am now saved by Jesus Christ. I tell my story as often as anyone will let me.

Mormons try to silence me. Thank you Mr. Robinson for letting me have a voice.


127 posted on 03/29/2009 3:47:15 PM PDT by colorcountry (A faith without truth is not true faith.)
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To: Admin Moderator

“You don’t need to read the threads.”

I know, I don’t mind the posts at all except for the sometimes not-so-subtle holier-than-thou nonsense.

If you post the holier-than-thou stuff just know that you are stirring the pot of your adversaries—you’re asking for trouble.


128 posted on 03/29/2009 3:47:42 PM PDT by Boucheau ("...if destruction be our lot we must ourselves be its author and finisher." Abe)
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To: Glenn

I see.


129 posted on 03/29/2009 3:48:40 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Politically speaking FReepers have pilloried Huckabee who has been the nemesis of Mormons. So what’s their beef? I’d ask them to seriously reconsider what is clearly an impulsive and divisive decision.

Emphasizing clear theological differences between Mormons, Hindus, Islamacists, Buddhist, Protestants and Catholics is what Faith & Reason is all about.

Faith without reason is a surrender to paganism, and reason without faith limits our inquiry to the confines of our known senses where intellectual inquiry is fully ceded to the secularists.

Mormons need to grow up and be willing to engage in faith and reason.


130 posted on 03/29/2009 3:49:14 PM PDT by Steelfish
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Bookmark


131 posted on 03/29/2009 3:49:21 PM PDT by potlatch
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To: humblegunner
How many anti-FReeper sites are there now?

I'm not sure - they seem to die off faster than I can keep track of.

132 posted on 03/29/2009 3:50:51 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: 1000 silverlings; Admin Moderator

Thank you if anything is some exstream LDS in the Ron Paul group!~


133 posted on 03/29/2009 3:51:12 PM PDT by restornu (Moreover he refused the tabernacle of Joseph, and chose not the tribe of Ephraim: Psalm 78;68)
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To: Drango

Just from that photo, I’d say Mr. West is very unhappy and uptight, and looking to be insulted.

I also suspect he’s the head of his homeowner’s association.


134 posted on 03/29/2009 3:51:45 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Beware Obama's Reichstag Fire.)
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To: Julia H.
"Want “holier than thou?” Re-read your post, then look in a mirror." If you can hold-back your knee-jerking. I stated that to make it clear that I have no horse in this religion race. You re-read it!
135 posted on 03/29/2009 3:51:56 PM PDT by Boucheau ("...if destruction be our lot we must ourselves be its author and finisher." Abe)
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To: Alex Murphy; Jim Robinson

ping


136 posted on 03/29/2009 3:52:08 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
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To: broncobilly

I think a way to solve the problem is for moderators to immediately shift religious attack posts to the religious section of FR and not let that kind of a discussion diminish the usefulness of the activism and news section.
That way, those who are not interested in such nonsense will find it easier to ignore.


137 posted on 03/29/2009 3:53:09 PM PDT by broncobilly
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To: Yaelle
Mormons have been hit a lot by people here who say they are not what they say they are, and denigrate their religions and customs.

I think Mormonism is deeply flawed, but I have seen mean-spirited comments against Mormons. On the other hand, there were a few people here claiming to be Mormons who were very vocal in their support of that group in Texas that, depending on your viewpoint, got into trouble or was persecuted over alleged child abuse. I wonder if it is people who are affiliated or sympathetic to that group? And I think most Mormons have nothing to do with that group.

138 posted on 03/29/2009 3:53:13 PM PDT by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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To: trisham; Glenn

Don’t piss the agnostics off.

They might get all riled up and burn a big question mark in your yard. Well, if there is nothng good on TV that night.


139 posted on 03/29/2009 3:53:36 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Beware Obama's Reichstag Fire.)
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To: Yaelle

I will just point out that most of the people who bring up Mormon religous customs are former Mormons themselves.
I have no problem with that.

After all, there can’t be disagreement if there aren’t two sides.

What I mean by that is if one side would quit discussing the subject, it would end.

Both sides like the flaming threads. Both sides.


140 posted on 03/29/2009 3:54:42 PM PDT by JRochelle (Don't smoke the Hopium.)
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To: MeanWestTexan

LOL!


141 posted on 03/29/2009 3:54:44 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: philetus
Do you know the facts of that case? No one should be subject to third-degree burns for spilling coffee. It was a dangerous, stupid policy. This case is constantly held up as an exemple of frivoulous lawsuits, but the facts don't support it.

No more than the facts would support FR being anti-Mormon.

142 posted on 03/29/2009 3:56:04 PM PDT by antidisestablishment (Our people perish through lack of wisdom, but they are content in their ignorance.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Unless I missed something that’s probably one person with too much time on their hands and simply trying to drive LDS conservatives away from FR.

Whoever the site owner is should really just stay out of any mormon threads (for or against) and go back and read the late LDS President Ezra Taft Benson’s speeches and essays. FR is pretty much the ONLY internet site that agrees with Benson on most issues, though Benson passed away in ‘94.


143 posted on 03/29/2009 3:56:44 PM PDT by Domandred (Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.)
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To: freeplancer; Religion Moderator
You know good and well that almost all of those closed off Mormon threads are posted by anti-Mormons on here just to pi$$ people off.

I disagee, I would say tha a huge majority aren't posted for that reason. The LDS Devotional and Caucus threads are posted in the Religion Forum. Ignore them if they bother you.

I'm ping RM because he is much more familiar with these threads than I am.

144 posted on 03/29/2009 3:56:44 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: MeanWestTexan
They might get all riled up and burn a big question mark in your yard.

A-scared, er ye?

145 posted on 03/29/2009 3:57:16 PM PDT by Glenn (Free Venezuela!)
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To: Maelstorm
What is betraying sacred covenants?

Talking about the secret underwear?

146 posted on 03/29/2009 3:57:45 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: colorcountry; Jim Robinson; Religion Moderator

As one of those “anti’s” on this list, lets review what greg west of SPAM was trying to accomplish.

1) He was pimping his blog site for ‘fresh meat’ to throw into his ‘fair’ debates.
The commentary on his blog site would wilt most plants in what could be called hate speech directed towards Christians.

2) He was deliberately trolling and insulting Freepers, then running to his little blog to pound his chest.

3) Finally, he openly admitted he left FR before because it would not bend over backwards for Mitt, so he came in with a chip on his shoulder to begin with.

The Religion Moderators do a good job at not letting things get out of hand. Readers will see that on these threads - started by mormon and non-mormon alike - a volume of documented materials - not just unsubstantiated claims. Mormons challenge my doctrine and I don’t go whinning off and start a blog, but defend those beliefs. If they can’t handle that they should read other threads.


147 posted on 03/29/2009 3:57:45 PM PDT by Godzilla (If the first step in an argument is wrong everything that follows is wrong. ~C.S. Lewis, The Problem)
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To: Jim Robinson
After reading that blog it appears this is a Christans vs Mormons fight. That brings up the point the this use to be just a political site. The religious seem to have started taking over. That's not a good thing in my opinion. Let them fight their religious battles on some other site. We've got the democrats and MSM to fight here.
148 posted on 03/29/2009 3:59:21 PM PDT by McGruff
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All Churches need to stop and take a big giant look at the planks in their own eyes and stop worrying about gnats in others. Churches it is NOT your duty to call away believers from where GOD has placed them to be. Christ addressed this issue himself when the jealous Disciples asked him about a sect that was doing as they were.

I know of many good Mormon Christians in here. Some have done much and are patriots in stand up for this nations freedoms and rights of all. I also understand enough to know the Mormon Church holds some core moral values that many other churches would be wise to do likewise. One is centered on family. The very thing that is destroying our nation is the destruction of the family. Second is their missionary work including domestic and I know of only one church with as large a ministry as they have. In that respect the Roman Catholic Church is likely first because of medical care etc. I can appreciate their work as well.

I'll defend any Christians right to worship as they are led and see fit. It is not my duty to judge them. The infighting between the churches is childish and some in all including the one I was raised in need to grow up and worry more about their own.

I have family from all churches from a Roman Catholic Priest closest to his Bishop, to Baptist Ministers, to Mormons, and others. Guess what? We all get along because we know we all serve the same LORD and Savior.

149 posted on 03/29/2009 3:59:58 PM PDT by cva66snipe ($.01 The current difference between the DEM's and GOP as well as their combined worth to this nation)
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To: greyfoxx39; Pan_Yans Wife; MHGinTN; Colofornian; Elsie; FastCoyote; Osage Orange; Greg F; ...

Ping to the list. This thread is talking about some of us. Not all, mind you.

Just giving you a heads up.


150 posted on 03/29/2009 4:00:22 PM PDT by colorcountry (A faith without truth is not true faith.)
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