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volockh conspiracy ^ | 26 March, 2009 | Eugene Volokh

[hiredhand]

It's whatever the grease is that it was packed in. I bought it unissued a couple of years ago and it was covered in the goop. We removed it from the gun metal with boiling water and then "most" of it off the wood during time with detergent and hot water. But it weeps out.

Several people here have mentioned Simple Green though and I'm definitely going to get some and try it! Thanks! :-)

[Leisler]

Wood grain is like soda straws. As you know if you have an old piece of any wood and cut it, it’s pretty ‘clean’ inside. So called penetration of wood by stains, and such is very shallow.

Another old trick is to seal it with a different solvent product, like shellac. Another is get a couple of those two tubes injectors of epoxy at the hardware store, cut it with acetone, bush on a coat with a disposable brush, let dry and repeat again. You can top coat(s) with poly to make it look nice. I’ve done this with teak and mahogany on boats. Both can be or have had oils on them that just using poly causes either the finish to lift off in a film or not dry.

[JrsyJack]

Not to butt in but what was on the sheet? Had it recently ben in the wash with some type of fabric softener. The wet sheet may have trapped moisture against the stock and caused some type of reaction with the grease or whatever is used to treat or seal the grain. Most likely, however, the moisture trapped under the sheet may have simply caused the wood to swell and squeeze the grease out of the now smaller pours (sp?) in the obviously unsealed wood.

[BlueDragon]

Oaxalic acid. Typically used for bleaching wood. But also kills varroa mites (was never officially approved for hive use, and one can get into trouble for using it) so most have turned to using powdered sugar [not confectioners].

Gunstocks. Yeah, that's it. I'm going to bleach a lot of gunstocks. Wait until the guys at the hardware store hear that one.

[Carry_Okie]

Gunstocks. Yeah, that's it. I'm going to bleach a lot of gunstocks.

Teak decks on boats need it routinely. I believe the product is called "TeakBrite."

[BlueDragon]

Teak decks on boats need it routinely. I believe the product is called "TeakBrite."

Hmmm...
Have never much dealt with outside brightwork such as teak. Much less a deck-load of it, though I've seen it on a few yachty sailing rigs.

More used to heavier boats with raised, slated wood over-decks configured in such a way that the water will drain. Treated with with sea water and fish oil only. 'Cept for the older wooden boats in which we'd use linseed oil, turpentine and pine tar to coat the deck itself. Messy bizness. Takes a while to fully cure.

I'd be more hesitant to use vaporized teakbright than straight oaxalic. The real deal can be had much cheaper.

[BlueDragon]

Oh, now I get it. Boat decks. I'm going to bleach boat decks.
[geez what a moron. hit me with a stick would 'ya?]

[Carry_Okie]

Have never much dealt with outside brightwork such as teak. Much less a deck-load of it, though I've seen it on a few yachty sailing rigs.

I restored antique boats for nigh on a decade.

More used to heavier boats with raised, slated wood over-decks configured in such a way that the water will drain.

Heavier? I've worked on a 90' yacht with teak bright work, and yes, full teak decks.

'Cept for the older wooden boats in which we'd use linseed oil, turpentine and pine tar to coat the deck itself. Messy bizness. Takes a while to fully cure.

Yep, except most of those decks are fir.

I'd be more hesitant to use vaporized teakbright than straight oaxalic. The real deal can be had much cheaper.

The product is crystalline oxalic acid. I offered it as a way to buy it without getting any questions that you had indicated were a problem for you.

Native bees don't have problems with varroa mites. All it takes is making sure there are flowers around all year and giving them a place to maintain their burrows. They don't make honey though.

[BlueDragon]

You are correct. Native bees are an answer. Better for apples, and maybe alfalfa, too.

When I was talking heavier boat, I was talking fishing trawlers. I could pretty much guarantee that '80 of trawler gross displacement is about 2X the '90 yacht. The raised decks are exactly that. A grating. We used to build them with 2x4's layed flat on top of 2X4'set on edge, with the on-edge boards configured with cut outs, or staggered to act as limber holes. These are not there for looks. They are there for function.

Yep, except most of those decks are fir.

I wasn't comparing fir decks to teak. Sorry to distract you.

[2harddrive]

Was this special treatment for a COP? Suppose it had been YOU. Would the “Judge” have gone the same way?

[2harddrive]

By the way, the Full Auto Ban Amendment to the 1986 “Firearms Owners Protection Act” never REALLY passed! And the BATF knows it. It was just on a voice vote, and the Nays WAY outweighed the Yeas on the Amendment’s adoption ballot! I heard it! Tip O’Neal just PROCLAIMED that it passed, to the GASPS of many in attendence, and the minority Repubs could not challenge him because of the parlimentary rules in effect at the time! HONEST! History!

[hiredhand]

Not to butt in but what was on the sheet? Had it recently ben in the wash with some type of fabric softener. The wet sheet may have trapped moisture against the stock and caused some type of reaction with the grease or whatever is used to treat or seal the grain. Most likely, however, the moisture trapped under the sheet may have simply caused the wood to swell and squeeze the grease out of the now smaller pours (sp?) in the obviously unsealed wood.

That's a good question! I don't know if there was a fabric softener in the sheet or not. BUT...this "goop" came up even inside the stock...between the receiver and the stock...and left what felt like honey on the gun metal. When we lifted the rifles OUT of their stock, this "stuff" was stuck where the wood had been.

It's probably some little known property of this Yugoslavian rifle grease. :-)

[JrsyJack]

Be careful how you handle that stuff...there’s no OSHA or FDA over there. That stuff could have all kinds of lead and other toxins in it.

[hiredhand]

Be careful how you handle that stuff...there’s no OSHA or FDA over there. That stuff could have all kinds of lead and other toxins in it.

We didn't get any more on us that we could help. The rifles were initially degreased using boiling water...the gun metal that is. I tossed the small parts into the same bucket we poured the boiling water into as it passed over the barrel/receiver assembly. I also tossed the gas tube and cover (wooden) in the same bucket and this wooden gas port cover is the ONLY piece of wood on the rifle that doesn't still weep grease. I'm tempted to use boiling water on the stock as well, but with my luck I'd have to hammer the rifle back into the stock after it was done. :-)

If I were going to be poisoned by this grease, I certainly wouldn't be alone. Thousands of these things were sold in the early 90s through now, and most of them come coated in the same grease. It "could" have something in it I suppose, but like I said, we removed most of it initially with boiling water... but for the stock which weeps the stuff when it gets hot. :-)

[Sparticus]

The “stuff” on your stocks is called cosmoline and was used for long term storage. The Russians used to just dunk the rifles in barrels of boiling water until they were clean when pulling them out for re-issue. As mentioned, oven cleaner works. So does wrapping the stocks in black plastic and leaving it on the dash of a car in the hot sun.

[hiredhand]

The "stuff" on your stocks is called cosmoline and was used for long term storage. The Russians used to just dunk the rifles in barrels of boiling water until they were clean when pulling them out for re-issue. As mentioned, oven cleaner works. So does wrapping the stocks in black plastic and leaving it on the dash of a car in the hot sun.

COSMOLINE....that's the stuff! I couldn't remember the word! We were seriously thinking about doing the boiling water dunk on the stocks. We poured boiling water over the metal and removed it that way initially a couple of years ago...along with some dish washing liquid to emulsify the stuff so it would wash away. It's annoying that this stuff weeps out in the heat, but I think I'll keep it that way.

The Yugoslavians must have really super soaked this one rifle, because we have two that were purchased as unissued. But the one seems to be thoroughly impregnated through and through. The other doesn't weep grease when it's hot. Maybe it the cosmoline was hotter when they poured it on the one? ...hard to say.