Skip to comments.Darwinists Trick Themselves in Texas
Posted on 03/30/2009 12:58:22 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
The New York Times got the preview story wrong, and the Washington Post editorial writer probably was too rushed to question the charges of "creationism" coming from the National Center for Science Education, the Darwin-only lobby. So this week's important decisions by the Texas Board of Education (TBOE) on how to teach evolution were predicated in the media by the big question of whether teachers should provide both "strengths and weaknesses" of Darwin's theory. Those words might sound benign, readers were told, but they really are "code words" (take the press' word for it) for creationism and religion.
To the media left, any questioning of Darwin is reserved for denizens of Dogpatch.
So, what did the TBOE do? Well, it turns out that they are fairly adroit politicians. They did remove language providing for "strengths and weaknesses" and then added new language--quite a lot of it--providing that students will learn, for example, to "analyze, evaluate and critique scientific explanations including examining all sides of scientific evidence so as to encourage critical thinking by the student." Perfect! A policy distinction without a difference! In fact, the new standards are just fine, an improvement, in fact. Now teachers can tell the kids about the scientific evidence in a variety of fields that seems to contradict the Darwinian account as well as the supposed evidence in support.
Once again the NCSE was too-smart-by-half. It ran blogs making fun of religion, while organizing public speakers who gave fulsome testimony to their Christian faith and how compatible it is with "evolution" (meaning Darwinian evolution). To the purists like Richard Dawkins and P.Z. Myers it probably makes them look like toadies.
In the end, the rhetoric meant to evoke fundamentalist cranks was mixed with pious statements doing the very kind of religious posturing the Darwinists project onto their foes, and reminding me of the church scenes from Blazing Saddles. It all backfired.
By demonizing specific words--and making the elimination of them the test of "science"--the NCSE and its state distributor, the Orwellian-named Texas Freedom Network, simply allowed the Board to do the obvious word shuffle. Okay, no "strengths and weakness, " but instead, we'll pass similar ideas in different words, and everyone will be happy. Except, of course, the NCSE and the TFN.
Don't expect the media to figure this out from the NCSE Talking Points memo, but the insiders get the picture. Dawkins must be enjoying a caustic chuckle at the expense of the NCSE.
This is truly tiresome.
Teach evolution with epistemology and I’m happy.
I didn’t see that. Ok, since you’re not up to the challenge, I will go first. How about we start with the fossil record, shall we? I have to go for a few hours, but if your up to it, we will start there.
Oops. In retrospect, probably not such a great idea for the creationist crowd. After all, once kids start taking a close look at creationism, they're going to turn up stuff that makes scientology look sane. You know, like your Islamic mentor GGG.
I worship Jesus Christ, the Creator of the Universe and everything in it. However, I would be remiss if I didn’t point out that Harun Yahya et al are performing a wonderful service re: the War on Terror. When Muslim’s become creationists, they tend to openly and publicly denounce terror carried out in the name of Islam. As such, the more Muslims who become creationists (even if it’s of the Muslim variety) the more that helps the US and its allies in the War on Terror. It also increases the likelihood that many of those same Muslims will become Christians, for they will find that the first Creationists-proper were all BIBLICAL creationists. Once they realize that their creationist ideas came from Christendom, this will cause many of them to pause and compare the Qu’ran to the Bible. Once they realize that the Qu’ran is inferior to the Bible, some of those very same seekers will come to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ. As such, many souls will be saved, and it will help us win hearts and minds in the War on Terror even more once they realize the Jews are God’s chosen people (and doubly so once they realize that their Lord and Savior was born a Jew!).
“I worship Jesus Christ, the Creator of the Universe and everything in it.”
Then you don’t know Christian theology very well.
Jesus Christ taught to worship G-d the Father, through Christ (in the “name” of Christ, by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.
I’m Jewish and know that much.
Have a blessed day!
GGG: I worship Jesus Christ, the Creator of the Universe and everything in it.
MWT: Then you dont know Christian theology very well...Jesus Christ taught to worship G-d the Father, through Christ (in the name of Christ, by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit...Im Jewish and know that much.
It’s always best to turn to Scripture in such matters, and the scriptures are clear...
JESUS CHRIST IS THE CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE AND EVERYTHING IN IT:
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.
6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 This man came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all through him might believe. 8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9 That was the true Light which gives light to every man coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. 11 He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
13 He has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son of His love, 14 in whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins. 15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. 17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. 18 And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence.
1 God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds; 3 who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high
I am having a blessed day. How about you?
Thank you for asking.
Still pushing this little lie for Mr. Yahya, eh GGG? Well, I guess you don't want to piss off the guy who's paying your bills.
As you well know (and as your Islamic buddy Mr. Yahya has undoubtedly told you), radical Islam is creationist to the core.
So please, Mr. Islamic shill, tell us all about these peace-loving Islamic creationists. And while you're at it, fill us in on the names of the radical Islamic groups who reject creationism and are instead adherents to western science and the theory of evolution. You'll make history.
==As you well know (and as your Islamic buddy Mr. Yahya has undoubtedly told you), radical Islam is creationist to the core.
Actually, the majority of radical Islamist terrorists despise creation, and are materialist to the core. Therefore, by your own leap of logic, that makes them your buddies in crime.
So I thought we were going to debate the relative merits of Creation vs. Evolution. Im still waiting for you first argument.
My advice would be to forget all about it GGG.
==Please, name these mysterious, materialist, non-radically-religous and non-creationist Islamic radicals, GGG. They’re utterly unknown to the rest of the world.
How far do you want to go back, Mr. Islamo-Commie terrorist lover? Shall we start with the “Islamic Marxist” movement set up by the Bolsheviks in 1916? Or how about the PLO? Would you like to trace their Commie-Terrorist roots? Or how about your buddy Abbas Zamani, the KGB organizer of Hezbollah in Lebanon and Pakistan. Or how about all the Hezbollah suicide bombers that turned out your fellow traveling materialist commies and socialists. Or how about Bin Laden’s right hand man, KGB agent Ayman al-Zawahiri. All of them are hardcore Commie-Materialists who worship at the alter of evolutionary materialism, just like you.
I’m tired of these evo-atheist loving “Christians” who do nothing but go around insulting genuine Christians for believing God’s Word. I think it is time for the Buck Ws of the world to put up or shut up. Let Mr. Buck prove that Darwood’s godless evolution cult is “scientific fact” and “perfectly compatible with Christianity.”
==So please, Mr. Islamic shill, tell us all about these peace-loving Islamic creationists.
PS Just keep it up, Mr. Sharia Law.
Thanks for the ping!
The words of GGG:
I would be remiss if I didnt point out that Harun Yahya et al are performing a wonderful service re: the War on Terror.
When Muslims become creationists, they tend to openly and publicly denounce terror carried out in the name of Islam. As such, the more Muslims who become creationists (even if its of the Muslim variety) the more that helps the US and its allies in the War on Terror.
Actually, the majority of radical Islamist terrorists despise creation, and are materialist to the core. . . . All of them are hardcore Commie-Materialists who worship at the alter of evolutionary materialism . . .
Harun Yahya must be proud of you, GGG. Here you've reiterated perfectly his fraudulent and bizarre Islamic apologetics. For example, in Mr. Yahya's screed entitled "Islam Is Not The Source of Terrorism, But Its Solution", we find an overflowing bucket of the very bilge-water that you are carrying for him:
The words of Mr. Yahya:
One point that should be stressed at the outset is that the identities of the perpetrators of the acts of terrorism which targeted the United States are not yet determined. There is a chance that these horrible attackers are linked to quite different centres. It may well be a communist organization harboring rage and hatred against American values, a fascist organization opposing federal administration or a secret faction in another state. Even though the hijackers have Muslim identities, the questions regarding by whom and for what purposes these people were used will probably remain to be a mystery. . . .
[W]hile looking for the perpetrators of a terrorist act, its origins should be sought in disbelief rather than in religion. People with a fascist, communist, racist or materialist outlook on life should be suspected as potential perpetrators. The name or the identity of the triggerman is not important. . . .
Actually, the materialist, irreligious philosophies and ideologies that prevailed in the 19th century are responsible for these dismal acts. . . . At the roots of the greatest brutalities of the 19th century lies the Social Darwinist ideology. . . . As a matter of fact, the main disagreement is not between the West and Islam. Contrary to the general opinion, it is between the religious people of the West and of the Muslim world on the one hand, and the people opposing religion (like materialists and atheists) on the other.
Support should be provided for the spread of "True Islam", which is a religion of love, friendship, peace and brotherhood, and for its true understanding by Islamic societies.
And in the surreal interview that Mr. Adnan Oktar (qua Harun Yahya) gave to Azernews, which he subsequently posted on his equally surreal HarunYahya.Tv website as "AN INTERVIEW WITH MR. ADNAN OKTAR BY AZERNEWS (October 23, 2008)", we hear your esteemed Islamic-Creationist mentor say:
But what is even more interesting is that Darwinists have not a single transitional form fossil they can use. They have not a single fossil they can call a transitional form to prove Darwinism. What kind of theory is that? It is total nonsense, a complete lie. Can you have a theory with absolutely zero supporting evidence? You may say that something is a theory if there are two or three bits of evidence for it. But this one has none, no evidence at all. And it is total nonsense.
"All those who perpetrated the September 11 attacks were people who had received a Darwinist, materialist and atheist education, who had been educated in Europe and who held materialist views. Their identity papers may describe them as Muslims, but that is irrelevant...
It was the Masons who controlled Saddam. They used him, and then cast him off like an old shoe. They first used him in massacres, but Saddam was nothing without Masonic support. He could do nothing.
The public imagine that Masons are perfectly rational people, but they are actually materialists and this and that. They are people who directly worship Shaytan. But Shaytan cannot vanquish the followers of Allah. The prophets were followers of Allah, for instance, and could not be vanquished
The whole question is one of being a supporter of Allah. The supporters of Allah are invincible. So long as we genuinely love Allah, are genuinely on His side, fear Allah and genuinely believe in Allah, then we can never be laid low.
These things happen in cold, materialist politics. There are no such problems in politics in which religious faith and love prevail.
As Mr. Yahya's "Baghdad Bob" you are truly doing a stellar job of spreading his whopping lies, but the question remains: How did an Islamic apologist like you find such a comfortable and prominent home at Freerepublic?