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Darwinists Trick Themselves in Texas
Discovery Institute ^ | March 29, 2009 | Bruce Chapman

Posted on 03/30/2009 12:58:22 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts

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To: GodGunsGuts; atlaw
the creationist mob GGG summoned with his double-posted arm-waving fit are the ones with their hair on fire

Au contraire mon ami, you are no special person. GGG has a ping list which alerts us to the topic. Your specious attack caught my attention as it probably did to the others. In the case of Harun(or whatever) what criminal offense has he performed by believing what he believes?

101 posted on 03/31/2009 5:53:11 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: AndrewC; atlaw

For Mr. Lawyer, it’s not about the Yahya the man, it’s about Yahya teaching the Muslims about creation, which he pretty much lifted from Christian creationists. My main point is, not only is Yahya’s group bringing a calming influence to the Muslims in the Middle East (and Europe for that matter), he may be unwittingly bringing them the gospel by creating a cultural commonality between the *Christian* West and Islam. It’s only a matter of time before many of his creationist converts begin reading Christian Creation and ID books. And this will remind them of why the Qur’an affords special status to Christians and Jews as “people of the Book.”


102 posted on 03/31/2009 6:03:54 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: AndrewC
Perhaps you haven't noticed, but the “association” at issue is between GGG and GGG’s own statements. Do you agree with his assertions about the “materialist core” of radical Islam? That assertion, and his others delineated in post 73 (I believe, since I'm on a blackberry) are the ones at issue. They also happen to be consonant with the assertions of Harun Yahya, but GGG insists that they belong to him alone. So be it.
103 posted on 03/31/2009 6:24:31 PM PDT by atlaw
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To: atlaw
OK, I'll bite:

— “the majority of radical Islamist terrorists despise creation, and are materialist to the core”;

I haven't seen any polls of self-identified radical Islamist terrorists, so I'm agnostic on this point. GGG may know something I don't.

— radical Islamic terrorists are actually “hardcore Commie-Materialists who worship at the alter of evolutionary materialism”;

See above. Given the historical fact of Soviet sponsorship of anti-western Islamists I wouldn't be surprised that there is a Marxist influence in their beliefs, but at the same time the Koran is a creationist book in itself. They just have a really wicked idea of God and what He wants people to do to other people.

— “the more Muslims who become creationists (even if it’s of the Muslim variety) the more that helps the US and its allies in the War on Terror”; and

I think this would only help marginally. It would all depend on what sort of creationist they become (as per the above). I do lean in favor of this statement because while creationists can believe either a good God or a wicked one, atheism historically and logically drives people in the direction of practicing evil (either through hedonism or fascist/communist drives for control and domination).

— that 9/11 was actually perpetrated by Darwinist, materialist, atheists who were just disguised as radical Muslims.

Insofar as it was perpetrated by followers of the Wahhabi sect, I'm dubious. The Wahhabi doctrine is presumably uninfluenced by modern Darwinism, though elements of it may creep into their thought.

104 posted on 03/31/2009 6:34:40 PM PDT by Liberty1970 (Democrats are not in control. God is. And Thank God for that!)
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To: Liberty1970; atlaw; AndrewC

If anyone is interested in a fairly indepth *discussion*/intelligent debate on the subject, I would be glad to oblige.


105 posted on 03/31/2009 6:40:57 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
If anyone is interested in a fairly indepth *discussion*/intelligent debate on the subject

You can count atlaw and his evo cohorts out on that one. Even if capable that would not be their intent 

106 posted on 03/31/2009 6:44:39 PM PDT by valkyry1
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To: Liberty1970

Thanks. An actual rational response. I’ll read it more closely and respond tomorrow when I’m not on the blackberry with its mini-keyboard.


107 posted on 03/31/2009 6:44:43 PM PDT by atlaw
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To: editor-surveyor; atlaw; GodGunsGuts; Liberty1970; metmom; demshateGod; Fichori; AndrewC

“Comic relief has arrived!”

I ALWAYS MISS THE GOOD STUFF!!!

Am I way too late?


108 posted on 03/31/2009 6:52:36 PM PDT by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com - Jesus said, "I am THE way, THE truth and THE life." Any questions?)
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To: Liberty1970; atlaw; AndrewC; betty boop; valkyry1; editor-surveyor; Tailgunner Joe; Thunder90

re: If anyone is interested in a fairly indepth *discussion*/intelligent debate on the subject, I would be glad to oblige.

We could start right here:

http://www.globalpolitician.com/23436-terror-russia

Let me know, and I’ll start a new thread to discuss the subject.

All the best—GGG


109 posted on 03/31/2009 6:53:27 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Gordon Greene

Not at all. If you look at my last reply, it may be only just beginning. Are you in???


110 posted on 03/31/2009 6:54:21 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Looks like a pretty deep one and I don’t know who the heck Harun Yahya or whoever he’s talking about...

But sure... I’ll bite. I’ll be off and on though.

Got to take some time to indoctrinate my kids in my simplistic faith before they say their prayers to an unknown god.


111 posted on 03/31/2009 6:59:40 PM PDT by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com - Jesus said, "I am THE way, THE truth and THE life." Any questions?)
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To: Gordon Greene

LOL. You are always welcome, GG. Don’t bother knocking, just come right in :o)


112 posted on 03/31/2009 7:01:10 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: atlaw; GodGunsGuts
Perhaps you haven't noticed, but the “association” at issue is between GGG and GGG’s own statements.

Perhaps you haven't noticed what you asserted. Here....



... You know, like your Islamic mentor GGG.


24 posted on Monday, March 30, 2009 5:52:51 PM by atlaw

That assertion, and his others delineated in post 73 (I believe, since I'm on a blackberry) are the ones at issue.

No, what is at issue is your guilt by association tack. Whether or not Muslims are materialists is not relevant since you injected the subject of Islam by accusation.


113 posted on 03/31/2009 7:05:26 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: AndrewC; atlaw

I am left wondering if atlaw will ever admit what he did and apologize.


114 posted on 03/31/2009 7:33:18 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: atlaw; GodGunsGuts; Alamo-Girl
... he wrangles up the pitchfork wielding villagers....

We're not going to get very far, atlaw, if all you've got are ad hominum attacks.

It's nice to know you hold me in such high regard though. /sarc

Meanwhile, I'm still waiting for you to clarify your objections to what GGG wrote.

115 posted on 03/31/2009 7:35:54 PM PDT by betty boop (All truthful knowledge begins and ends in experience. — Albert Einstein)
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To: GodGunsGuts

“I am left wondering if atlaw will ever admit what he did and apologize.”

Evolutionists of this ilk do not apologize. They simply pontificate.

It would take humility and an admission you are not god to apologize... I would love to think this is hyperbole, but it’s probably an understatement.


116 posted on 03/31/2009 7:40:37 PM PDT by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com - Jesus said, "I am THE way, THE truth and THE life." Any questions?)
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To: AndrewC
Carve it any way you want, Andrew. GGG’s statements still reek of Islamic apologetics to me, lifted almost verbatim from the words of an Islamic apologist. If you adopt another’s opinion as your own and reiterate it, “association” is a fair inference.

And the issue is, in fact, whether Islamic terrorism is the product of the supernatural irrationality that prevails in those contemporary societies that practice it or, as GGG asserts, the product of the western scientific rationalism that prevails in those contemporary societies that actually reject it.

And you still haven't addressed whether you agree with GGG's assertions.

117 posted on 03/31/2009 7:43:19 PM PDT by atlaw
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To: Gordon Greene

You never cease to crack me up...but then I realize you’re serious (and that I’m in serious agreement with you)!

All the best—GGG

PS Hopefully, atlaw will prove us wrong!


118 posted on 03/31/2009 7:46:09 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: atlaw; AndrewC; GodGunsGuts

“If you adopt another’s opinion as your own and reiterate it, “association” is a fair inference.”

“And you still haven’t addressed whether you agree with GGG’s assertions.”

DON’T DO IT, ANDY!!! IT’S A SETUP!!!

By your logic, outlaw... I’d be afraid to agree with you if you said the sky were blue for fear someone might think I was a radical, faith-based evolutionist.


119 posted on 03/31/2009 7:52:16 PM PDT by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com - Jesus said, "I am THE way, THE truth and THE life." Any questions?)
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To: atlaw; AndrewC; CottShop; Thunder90; Tailgunner Joe; editor-surveyor; betty boop; metmom; ...

==And the issue is, in fact, whether Islamic terrorism is the product of the supernatural irrationality that prevails in those contemporary societies that practice it or, as GGG asserts, the product of the western scientific rationalism that prevails in those contemporary societies that actually reject it.

See reply #109 for a pretty fair assessment of where I stand re: the roots of Islamic Terrorism. I don’t agree with every word, but it is a good launching pad for a serious discussion of the same.

All the best—GGG


120 posted on 03/31/2009 7:56:51 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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