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Using Religion to Suppress Debate on Evolution
The Washington Post ^ | March 27, 2009 | John G. West

Posted on 03/30/2009 8:31:35 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts

Using Religion to Suppress Debate on Evolution

By John G. West Senior Fellow, Discovery Institute

Evolution was back in the headlines this week as the Texas State Board of Education voted 13-2 to require students to "analyze and evaluate" major evolutionary concepts such as common ancestry, natural selection, and mutations, as well as adopting a critical thinking standard calling on students to "critique" and examine "all sides of scientific evidence."

The vote was a loss for defenders of evolution who had pushed the Board to strip the "analyze and evaluate" language from the evolution standards and gut the overall critical thinking standard.

Evolutionists typically cast themselves as the champions of secular reason against superstition, but in Texas they tried to inject religion into the debate at every turn.

Indeed, this past week it seemed that they couldn't stop talking about religion. They boasted about their credentials as Sunday School teachers and church elders. They quoted the Bible and appealed to theology...

(Excerpt) Read more at newsweek.washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: board; creation; darwin; darwinism; education; evolution; evoreligion; goodgodimnutz; intelligentdesign; neodarwinism; templeofdarwin; texas
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To: taxcontrol

“Zelots are often not willing to accept any contrary evidence as it threatens their religion.”

Don’t be so hard on yourself!


101 posted on 03/31/2009 8:44:20 PM PDT by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: taxcontrol; Buck W.; Gordon Greene

==I’m not supprised. Zelots are often not willing to accept any contrary evidence as it threatens their religion.

Speaking of zeolots!

Charles Darwin zealots have made science a substitute religion

Christopher Booker is troubled by the fervour surrounding the 200-year anniversary of Charles Darwin’s birth.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/4550448/Charles-Darwin-zealots-have-made-science-a-substitute-religion.html


102 posted on 03/31/2009 8:45:35 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: cookcounty

Can you believe it. They are actually asking students to weight the evidence for and against. How unscientific of them!


103 posted on 03/31/2009 8:47:00 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Phileleutherus Franciscus

Welcome to FR....


104 posted on 03/31/2009 8:47:06 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Buck W.; GodGunsGuts; Fichori

“Faith is outside the domain of scientific inquiry. Science does not analyze the mind of God. Why does a minority of Christians persist in this line of attack on reason?”

Because evolutionists continue to insist that faith in Christ and evolution are perfectly compatible. Tell me that you believe in evolution and that you have faith as a separate issue and I might be able to purchase that plot of land... but compatible? Come on. Only insomuch as evolution is a religion for the secularist believer.


105 posted on 03/31/2009 8:47:17 PM PDT by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com - Jesus said, "I am THE way, THE truth and THE life." Any questions?)
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To: Gordon Greene

“Because evolutionists continue to insist that faith in Christ and evolution are perfectly compatible.”

They are. Evolution may not be compatible with a literal reading of the bible, however. So, a minority of Christian literalists establish a Christian litmus test, and the first item on the checklist regards one’s position on the bible. If you’re not a literalist, then you’re not a Christian, so they believe.

They’re wrong.


106 posted on 03/31/2009 8:52:59 PM PDT by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: Gordon Greene
“Where are the millions of transitionary species?” [excerpt]

You mean like this guy?


I've got bad news...

107 posted on 03/31/2009 8:53:35 PM PDT by Fichori (The only bailout I'm interested in is the one where the entire Democrat party leaves the county)
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To: wendy1946
The "theocratic evolution" argument comes down to the question "Could an intelligent creator create an uncreated being?"

This is just another version of "Could God create a rock so big that he couldn't lift it?"

The answers are "no" because they are both nonsense statements.

108 posted on 03/31/2009 8:54:17 PM PDT by cookcounty (Obama's got Bush's inheritance .......and now he wants your kids'.)
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To: Buck W.; GodGunsGuts; Fichori; metmom; atlaw

“your soulmate GGG”

Lordy, lordy, Buck. You’re such a dork.

Anyway... I’m not so interested in the various musings of “scientific” minds with grant money to spend. I get what evolution is supposed to be. But it does strain your faith if you look at it from a logical standpoint, doesn’t it? Just take the time to think in your mind what transitions there would be or explain to me in your own words how they could possibly NOT exist. I haven’t followed this stuff enough to know the colors of fowl folks toss around. It’s just plain common sense... I don’t trust in faith when it comes to the natural world as you have been taught to do. I use my eyes, ears and the evidence that is there.

You have learned to only trust science as it is sold to you, not as it in fact exists. Buy the line if you want or maybe take the time to think it through. As you said, “Bottom line: I really don’t care.”


109 posted on 03/31/2009 8:57:54 PM PDT by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com - Jesus said, "I am THE way, THE truth and THE life." Any questions?)
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To: Gordon Greene
But there is not enough of a body of evidence to prop up evolution as fact or even as plausible theory.

There's a Nobel Prize waiting for you as soon as you find that fossil rabbit in the Cambrian.
110 posted on 03/31/2009 8:59:09 PM PDT by Phileleutherus Franciscus
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To: taxcontrol; Gordon Greene; Buck W.; Fichori; Phileleutherus Franciscus

==I’m not supprised. Zelots are often not willing to accept any contrary evidence as it threatens their religion.

Speaking of zealots (pt 2)!!!

In 2005 online magazine ‘Edge The World Question Centre’ posed the following question to a number of scientific intellectuals: ‘What do you believe is true even though
you cannot prove it?’ Dawkins revealingly answered: ‘I believe that all life, all intelligence, all creativity and all ‘design’ anywhere in the universe, is the direct or
indirect product of Darwinian natural selection.’

http://www.iscid.org/papers/Williams_GodDelusionReview_02012007.pdf


111 posted on 03/31/2009 9:01:12 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: metmom
Welcome to FR....

Thank you.
112 posted on 03/31/2009 9:02:08 PM PDT by Phileleutherus Franciscus
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To: metmom; Phileleutherus Franciscus

Good catch... I missed this was a newbie.

Indeed, welcome Phileleutherus Franciscus!

You here to discuss conservative politics too or are you just hanging out here to play tag with the “creationists”?


113 posted on 03/31/2009 9:02:24 PM PDT by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com - Jesus said, "I am THE way, THE truth and THE life." Any questions?)
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To: Gordon Greene

I answer your questions, you brush my answers away with a red-faced wave of the hand, and then you call me a name. I’ll let the moderators decide if they want to let that stand.

You’re a model creationist.


114 posted on 03/31/2009 9:02:50 PM PDT by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: Gordon Greene; Buck W.

==“Bottom line: I really don’t care.”

I noticed that too. I could have titled that quote “Zealot Pt. 3”!


115 posted on 03/31/2009 9:03:19 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Buck W.; GodGunsGuts

“They are. Evolution may not be compatible with a literal reading of the bible, however. So, a minority of Christian literalists establish a Christian litmus test, and the first item on the checklist regards one’s position on the bible. If you’re not a literalist, then you’re not a Christian, so they believe.

They’re wrong.”

I’m sorry... were you talking? I dozed off.

Good night you all sound alike! That’s uncanny (”without can” for those laymen out there without an evolutionary dictionary).


116 posted on 03/31/2009 9:05:00 PM PDT by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com - Jesus said, "I am THE way, THE truth and THE life." Any questions?)
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To: Phileleutherus Franciscus; Gordon Greene
“There's a Nobel Prize waiting for you as soon as you find that fossil rabbit in the Cambrian. ” [excerpt]
Anyone who found hard evidence that contradicted the established dogma would be immediately vilified and discredited by any and all means.

Their find would be firmly established as a hoax without any review of the evidence.

Besides, I don't know anyone in their right mind who would want a prize from the same crooks who gave Al Gore a prize.

I wouldn't.
117 posted on 03/31/2009 9:05:20 PM PDT by Fichori (The only bailout I'm interested in is the one where the entire Democrat party leaves the county)
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To: Fichori

THAT WAS IT!!!

Hey, I’m a believer now...


118 posted on 03/31/2009 9:05:42 PM PDT by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com - Jesus said, "I am THE way, THE truth and THE life." Any questions?)
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To: Gordon Greene
You here to discuss conservative politics too or are you just hanging out here to play tag with the “creationists”?

In these times of Obamanation, I should hope that finding a way to promote freedom, the Constitution, and patriotism would be far more important than the silly disagreements with people who lack even a basic understanding of biology, geology, astrophysics, physics, and chemistry.
119 posted on 03/31/2009 9:07:33 PM PDT by Phileleutherus Franciscus
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To: atlaw
".....add a couple of weeks discussing what filthy heretics the kids' Catholic, Mormon, and Jewish neighbors are, and a week exploring the Islamic-Creationist "truth" that 9/11 was perpetrated by evolutionary biologists disguised as Muslims, and you have a complete "creation science" curriculum.

Oh please, don't argue from the "who's a bigot" line because you'll lose.

More people have suffered at the hands of evolutionary atheists than all the Christian, Jewish, Bhuddist and yes Muslim religionists combined (admittedly many nasty examples among them).

Stalin--40 milion dead
Mao Tse-Tung--40 million dead
Pol Pot --2 million dead
Kim Il Sung ---5 million dead

Plus the work of 20 other lesser lights.

Please add up the numbers on the other side

............Where's the list???

120 posted on 03/31/2009 9:10:13 PM PDT by cookcounty (Obama's got Bush's inheritance .......and now he wants your kids'.)
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