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Obama's missing college 'thesis' on Soviet nukes
various sources | various authors

Posted on 03/31/2009 6:26:04 AM PDT by ETL

Obama and the case of the missing 'thesis'
By Jim Popkin, NBC News Senior Investigative Producer
July 24, 2008

excerpt:

The hunt for Obama’s senior “thesis” began with a throwaway line in a newspaper article last October. The New York Times story, on Obama’s early New York years, mentioned in passing that the presidential contender had majored in political science at Columbia and had spent his time “writing his thesis on Soviet nuclear disarmament.”

Journalists began hounding Columbia University for copies of the musty document. Conservative bloggers began wondering if the young Obama had written a no-nukes screed that he might come to regret. And David Bossie, the former congressional investigator and “right-wing hit man,” as one newspaper described him, took out classified newspaper ads in Columbia University’s newspaper and the Chicago Tribune in March searching for the term paper.

Bossie came up dry, but said the effort was well worth it:

“A thesis entitled Soviet Nuclear Disarmament, written at the height of The Cold War in 1983, might shed some light upon what Barack Obama thought about our most pressing foreign policy issue for 40-plus years (U.S.-Soviet Relations),” he wrote in an e-mail to NBC News.

http://deepbackground.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/07/24/1219454.aspx
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Here is the passage from the New York Times that the above article refers to:

"He barely mentions Columbia, training ground for the elite, where he transferred in his junior year, majoring in political science and international relations and writing his thesis on Soviet nuclear disarmament. He dismisses in one sentence his first community organizing job — work he went on to do in Chicago — though a former supervisor remembers him as 'a star performer.'"

[snip]

"he [Obama] declined repeated requests to talk about his New York years, release his Columbia transcript or identify even a single fellow student, co-worker, roommate or friend from those years.

'He doesn’t remember the names of a lot of people in his life,' said Ben LaBolt, a campaign spokesman."

Obama’s Account of New York Years Often Differs From What Others Say
By JANNY SCOTT, October 30, 2007:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/30/us/politics/30obama.html?ex=1351396800&en=631bf83f428647f9&ei=5089&partner=rssyahoo&emc=rss
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From David Horowitz's FrontPageMag.com/DiscoverTheNetworks.org:
Profile: Institute For Policy Studies (IPS)

IPS’s [Institute For Policy Studies] Washington, DC headquarters quickly became a resource center for national reporters and a place for KGB agents from the nearby Soviet embassy to convene and strategize. Cora Weiss headed one of the IPS's most successful forays -- into Riverside Church in Manhattan. She was invited there in 1978 by the Reverend William Sloane Coffin to run the church's Disarmament Program, which sought to consolidate Soviet nuclear superiority in Europe -- in the name of "peace." In 1982 Weiss helped organize the largest pro-disarmament demonstration ever held. Staged in New York City, the rally was attended by a coalition of communist organizations. During her decade-long tenure at Riverside, which became home to the National Council of Churches, Weiss regularly received Russian KGB agents, Sandinista friends, and Cuban intelligence agents. Weiss became infamous for her role in the psychological warfare conducted against U.S. prisoners of war held in the infamous "Hanoi Hilton" during the Vietnam War.

The Liberation News Service, which is a news source for hundreds of "alternative" publications nationwide (with antiwar, Marxist-oriented perspectives), was founded in 1967 with IPS assistance."

[lots more at link...]

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6991
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From the website of Riverside Church...

The Riverside Church
490 Riverside Drive
New York, New York 10027
212-870-6700

The Riverside Church is located on Manhattan’s Upper West Side near Columbia University.

Photobucket

http://www.theriversidechurchny.org/about/?directions
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"She was invited there in 1978 by the Reverend William Sloane Coffin to run the church's Disarmament Program, which sought to consolidate Soviet nuclear superiority in Europe -- in the name of 'peace.'

In 1982 Weiss helped organize the largest pro-disarmament demonstration ever held. Staged in New York City, the rally was attended by a coalition of communist organizations."
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6991
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From the Columbia University website...

"Obama attended Columbia College from 1981 to 1983"

Source:
http://news.columbia.edu/home/1260

Here is a (long) link to a cached version of the source with quote highlighted. Caches are often good backups when an original source is taken down and/or replaced:
http://74.6.239.67/search/cache?ei=UTF-8&p=%22Obama+attended+Columbia+College+from+1981+to+1983%22&fr=moz2&u=news.columbia.edu/barack-obama-cc83-first-columbia-graduate-elected-president-united-states&w=%22obama+attended+columbia+college+from+1981+to+1983%22&d=HQg1KJ2uSeBR&icp=1&.intl=us
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Bill Ayers' education:
1987 - Ed.D, Columbia University, Curriculum & Instruction
1987 - M.Ed, Teachers College, Columbia University, Early Childhood Education
1984 - M.Ed, Bank Street College, Early Childhood Education
1968 - B.A., University of Michigan, American Studies
http://education.uic.edu/directory/faculty_info.cfm?netid=bayers
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Bank Street College
Where We Are and How to Get Here:

Bank Street College is located on the Upper West Side of Manhattan at 610 West 112th Street, between Broadway and Riverside Drive.

Bank Street College is located in a bustling family and university neighborhood four blocks from Columbia University
http://www.bankstreet.edu/aboutbsc/visiting.html
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Why Won’t Obama Talk About Columbia?
The years he won’t discuss may explain the Ayers tie he keeps lying about:
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NjY4YzdhMDBkZGQ3ZmU2MTUzYjdkMzc5ZjUzYmViZWM=


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Barack Obama, from Dreams from My Father, Three Rivers Press, New York, Revised Edition, 2004, ISBN 1-4000-8277-3, p. 76-7:
"But by the time I met Frank [Frank Marshall Davis] he must have been pushing eighty, with a big, dewlapped face and an ill-kempt gray Afro that made him look like an old, shaggy-maned lion. He would read us his poetry whenever we stopped by his house, sharing whiskey with Gramps out of an emptied jelly jar."

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From Accuracy In Media | AIM.ORG

Obama’s Red Mentor Praised Red Army
AIM Report | By Cliff Kincaid | April 30, 2008


Frank Marshall Davis

Barack Obama’s childhood mentor, Frank Marshall Davis, a member of the Moscow-controlled Communist Party USA (CPUSA), wrote a poem dedicated to the Soviet Red Army. “Smash on, victory-eating Red Army,” he declared. He also wrote poems attacking traditional Christianity and the work of Christian missionaries.

The “Red Army” poem goes beyond hoping for the communists to beat the Nazis in World War II and hails the Soviet revolution. It says:

Show the marveling multitudes
Americans, British, all your allied brothers
How strong you are
How great you are
How your young tree of new unity
Planted twenty-five years ago
Bears today the golden fruit of victory!

http://www.aim.org/aim-report/obamas-red-mentor-praised-red-army/

1 posted on 03/31/2009 6:26:04 AM PDT by ETL
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To: All
Obama Pledges Cuts in Missile Defense, Space, and Nuclear Weapons Programs

February 29, 2008 :: News
MissileThreat.com

A video has surfaced of Presidential candidate Senator Barack Obama talking on his plans for strategic issues such as nuclear weapons and missile defense.

The full text from the video, as released, reads as follows:

Thanks so much for the Caucus4Priorities, for the great work you've been doing. As president, I will end misguided defense policies and stand with Caucus4Priorities in fighting special interests in Washington.

First, I'll stop spending $9 billion a month in Iraq. I'm the only major candidate who opposed this war from the beginning. And as president I will end it.[i.e. not win it]

Second, I will cut tens of billions of dollars in wasteful spending.

I will cut investments in unproven missile defense systems.

I will not weaponize space.

I will slow our development of future combat systems.

And I will institute an independent "Defense Priorities Board" to ensure that the Quadrennial Defense Review is not used to justify unnecessary spending.

Third, I will set a goal of a world without nuclear weapons. To seek that goal, I will not develop new nuclear weapons; I will seek a global ban on the production of fissile material; and I will negotiate with Russia to take our ICBMs off hair-trigger alert, and to achieve deep cuts in our nuclear arsenals.

You know where I stand. I've fought for open, ethical and accountable government my entire public life. I don't switch positions or make promises that can't be kept. I don't posture on defense policy and I don't take money from federal lobbyists for powerful defense contractors. As president, my sole priority for defense spending will be protecting the American people. Thanks so much.

Article: Obama Pledges Cuts in Missile Defense, Space, and Nuclear Weapons Programs:
http://missilethreat.com/archives/id.7086/detail.asp

"MissileThreat.com is a project of The Claremont Institute devoted to understanding and promoting the requirements for the strategic defense of the United States."

2 posted on 03/31/2009 6:31:45 AM PDT by ETL (ALL the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: ETL

How can the US press still ignore the fact that Obama refuses to release his college transcripts/grades?

We have all of the president’s grades from Clinton through Bush even presidential candidates grades like Sen. Kerry and Algore.

Even for historic reasons, this is a missing link for the future Obama presidential library.

1) We know nothing about Obama’s previous life other than what he wrote about in two autobiographies.

2) We know of none of Obama’s college friends.

3) We know of none of Obama’s former girlfriends.

4) We know nothing about Obama’s foreign travel except for a reference to a trip to Pakistan when it was prohibited for US citizens to travel there.

5) We know nothing about Obama’s Selective Service registration when the press spent thousands of hours on Bush’s National Guard service.

The silence is deafening by the press and it is very telling that there is some skeletons in that Obama closet.


3 posted on 03/31/2009 6:33:51 AM PDT by WaterBoard (Somewhere a Village is Missing it's Socialist.)
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To: WaterBoard

The Obama toadies are obviously hiding a lot of stuff.

I thought theses were the property of the universities, and were usually preserved.


4 posted on 03/31/2009 6:39:14 AM PDT by popdonnelly (The biggest crimes in history were committed by governments. You've been warned.)
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To: WaterBoard
there is some skeletons in that Obama closet

There are Many skeletons in the Obama closet.

5 posted on 03/31/2009 6:39:36 AM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: ETL

I suspect like other globalists, Madame Halfbright included, that he was against the US being the only super power as we weren’t to be trusted. They wanted the Soviets, now Russia, to have the bomb to balance our power.


6 posted on 03/31/2009 6:42:55 AM PDT by Carley (President Obama Dropped a MOAB on America)
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To: All
From the Sino-Russian Joint Statement of April 23, 1997:
"The two sides [China and Russia] shall, in the spirit of partnership, strive to promote the multipolarization of the world and the establishment of a new international order."
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/HI29Ag01.html
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[2009] Russia, China plan new joint military exercises

By MARTIN SIEFF, UPI Senior News Analyst
Published: March 26, 2009

WASHINGTON, March 26 (UPI) -- The continuing tensions over Russia's refusal to sell its state-of-the-art land warfare advanced weapons systems to China hasn't interrupted the rhythm of major joint military exercises between the two major land powers on the Eurasian landmass. The latest in the regular, biennial series of exercises between the two nations has been confirmed for this summer.

The next in the now well-established series of exercises called Peace Mission 2009 will be carried out in northeastern China, the Russian Defense Ministry announced March 18, according to a report carried by the RIA Novosti news agency.

The first bilateral Peace Mission maneuvers -- described at the time as counter-terrorism exercises -- were held in Russia and the eastern Chinese province of Shandong in August 2005. As we reported at that time, they were a lot bigger than mere counter-terrorism exercises. Warships, squadrons of combat aircraft and more than 10,000 troops were involved carrying out landings against hypothetically hostile shores. The maneuvers also involved large-scale paratroops drops. The scale and nature of those exercises suggested a trial run for a possible Chinese invasion of Taiwan with Russian support. ..."

http://www.upi.com/Security_Industry/2009/03/26/Russia_China_plan_new_joint_military_exercises/UPI-25021238094858/
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Russia, China flex muscles in joint war games
Reuters: Aug 17, 2007

CHEBARKUL, Russia (Reuters) - Russia and China staged their biggest joint exercises on Friday but denied this show of military prowess could lead to the formation of a counterweight to NATO.

"Today's exercises are another step towards strengthening the relations between our countries, a step towards strengthening international peace and security, and first and foremost, the security of our peoples," Putin said.

Fighter jets swooped overhead, commandos jumped from helicopters on to rooftops and the boom of artillery shells shook the firing range in Russia's Ural mountains as two of the largest armies in the world were put through their paces.

The exercises take place against a backdrop of mounting rivalry between the West, and Russia and China for influence over Central Asia, a strategic region that has huge oil, gas and mineral resources.

Russia's growing assertiveness is also causing jitters in the West. Putin announced at the firing range that Russia was resuming Soviet-era sorties by its strategic bomber aircraft near NATO airspace.
http://in.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idINIndia-29030120070817?pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=0
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War Games: Russia, China Grow Alliance
September 23, 2005

In foreign policy it’s critical to “know thine enemy.” So American policymakers should be aware that Russia and China are inching closer to identifying a common enemy — the United States.

The two would-be superpowers held unprecedented joint military exercises Aug. 18-25. Soothingly named “Peace Mission 2005,” the drills took place on the Shandong peninsula on the Yellow Sea, and included nearly 10,000 troops. Russian long-range bombers, the army, navy, air force, marine, airborne and logistics units from both countries were also involved.

Moscow and Beijing claim the maneuvers were aimed at combating terrorism, extremism and separatism (the last a veiled reference to Taiwan), but it’s clear they were an attempt to counter-balance American military might.

Joint war games are a logical outcome of the Sino-Russian Friendship and Cooperation Treaty signed in 2001, and reflect the shared worldview and growing economic ties between the two Eastern Hemisphere giants. As the Pravda.ru Web site announced, “the reconciliation between China and Russia has been driven in part by mutual unease at U.S. power and a fear of Islamic extremism in Central Asia.”
http://www.heritage.org/Press/Commentary/ed092605a.cfm

7 posted on 03/31/2009 6:43:56 AM PDT by ETL (ALL the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: ETL
'He doesn’t remember the names of a lot of people in his life,' said Ben LaBolt, a campaign spokesman."

That's because it is all about HIM.

He could care less about anyone else.

Not his mother, father, grandmother.

Not his poor African relatives.

Not any worthwhile charities.

He CERTAINLY does not care about America and its people.

He doesn't REALLY care about ANYONE but himself.

He is an arrogant, self-centered, Narcissistic egotist who is power hungry and is willing to step on, and FORGET, anyone who can help him in the short-term, OR...

ANYONE that gets in his way or criticizes him.

He NEEDS to fall on his sword, or somehow prevented from destroying our country.

8 posted on 03/31/2009 6:46:37 AM PDT by DocH (The WAR on our RIGHTS must NOT go unanswered - Keep your powder dry)
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To: ETL

This is a wild goose chase. Invest your time more prudently. The last time this came up, it became clear that he did not write an undergrad thesis because Columbia did not require one. He apparently wrote a term paper on this topic, but term papers are turned in only to the teacher of the class for which they are written and that professor didn’t keep a copy. So, unless Obama kept a copy himself, it’s probably impossible to locate. And even if located, it’s a damn term paper, not a BA thesis.

Universities don’t keep official copies of term papers.

I don’t doubt for a moment that he hung around with radicals during the period of his life. But you’re not going to shed any light on it via this phantom undergrad thesis.

So give it up already.


9 posted on 03/31/2009 6:52:36 AM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: ETL
Obama did not attend "Columbia College." He attended Columbia University's "School of General Studies." This is an alternative program run by the University and has evening seminars" and "special programs", intended for part-time, or working students. It's OK, but it ain't "Columbia College." Pretty much "walk-in" admission.

Hardly a soul in Columbia College Class of '84 even knew Obama. IMHO, the "thesis" about "Nuclear Disarmament" is disinformation. What Obama was really into at Occidental and at Columbia was "Black Power" studies. Whether or not Obama knew Ayers in NYC is a good question. They ran in the same circles. Start with, "Mr. POTUS, when did you meet Bill Ayers?" Betcha the FBI knows.

Also note that Bernadine Dohrn's sister was a big gun at Columbia in those days, smoothing the way for Obama and Ayers. There is also a mystery surrounding his acceptance at Harvard Law School. Rumor has it that his academic performance was not very good and that the LSAT was "waived" for him. He was Law Review at Harvard, but there is also some controversial discussion surrounding that, as well.

Obama has successfully stonewalled most inquiries about his life, pre-Chicago and Illinois Legislature. All he wants us to know is in "Dreams of My Father." That book, literary analysts claim, was possibly ghost-written by Bill Ayers. Its style, vocabulary, sentence structure, philosophy and story line are eerily similar to Ayers' other works.

The quoted position on defense is very carefully worded and fully worthy of whoever fills this man's teleprompters for public appearances. It is a standard Democrat position, <>

10 posted on 03/31/2009 7:05:57 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (The Election of 2008: Given the choice between stupid and evil, the stupid chose evil.)
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To: ETL

bttt


11 posted on 03/31/2009 7:09:22 AM PDT by Freedom Dignity n Honor (There are permanent moral truths.)
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To: ETL
"written at the height of The Cold War in 1983"

Apart from The Soviet Union almost launching a Mutally Assured Destruction missile launch at the US, I wouldn't say things were at the HEIGHT.

That is unless you hold to the Left's position that Ronald Reagan was a reckless cowboy who antagonized the Communists and almost brought on WWIII (truth of the matter is that the Cold War WAS WWIII). The Left believed that we could not and SHOULD NOT defeat the Communist Soviet Union. We should learn to accept Communism as a rational and legitimate political system (like Nazism?).

12 posted on 03/31/2009 7:16:11 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Pres Obama just spent $150million of the $160million in returned AIG bonuses on a trip to England.)
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To: Kenny Bunk
IMHO, the "thesis" about "Nuclear Disarmament" is disinformation. What Obama was really into at Occidental and at Columbia was "Black Power" studies.

The New York Times reported as a 'throwaway' comment that he wrote his "thesis"/term paper on Soviet nuclear disarmament.

"He barely mentions Columbia, training ground for the elite, where he transferred in his junior year, majoring in political science and international relations and writing his thesis on Soviet nuclear disarmament." [he graduated in 83]

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/30/us/politics/30obama.html?ex=1351396800&en=631bf83f428647f9&ei=5089&partner=rssyahoo&emc=rss
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"She was invited there [Riverside Church, near Columbia University] in 1978 by the Reverend William Sloane Coffin to run the church's Disarmament Program, which sought to consolidate Soviet nuclear superiority in Europe -- in the name of 'peace.'

In 1982 Weiss helped organize the largest pro-disarmament demonstration ever held. Staged in New York City, the rally was attended by a coalition of communist organizations."

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6991

13 posted on 03/31/2009 7:23:43 AM PDT by ETL (ALL the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Kenny Bunk
IMHO, the "thesis" about "Nuclear Disarmament" is disinformation. What Obama was really into at Occidental and at Columbia was "Black Power" studies.

What do you think the "Black Power" movement is? It's part of the "Black Liberation" movement.

"Their founding document [the Weather Underground's] called for the establishment of a "white fighting force" to be allied with the "Black Liberation Movement" and other "anti-colonial" movements[1] to achieve "the destruction of US imperialism and the achievement of a classless world: world communism."..."-Berger, Dan (2006). Outlaws of America: The Weather Underground and the Politics of Solidarity. AK Press, 95.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weatherman_Underground#cite_ref-Berger_0-0

Outlaws of America: The Weather Underground and the Politics of Solidarity (Paperback) by Dan Berger
http://www.amazon.com/Outlaws-America-Underground-Politics-Solidarity/dp/1904859410
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From the New York Times, August 24, 2003

"they [the Weather Underground] employed revolutionary jargon, advocated armed struggle and black liberation and began bombing buildings, taking responsibility for at least 20 attacks. Estimates of their number ranged at times from several dozen to several hundred."

Article: Quieter Lives for 60's Militants, but Intensity of Beliefs Hasn't Faded
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F04E4DE1539F937A1575BC0A9659C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=2
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From David Horowitz's FrontPageMag.com/DiscoverTheNetworks.org:
"FBI files from 1976, recently made public under the Freedom of Information Act, confirm the connections between Weatherman, Havana, and Moscow. Weatherman leaders like Mark Rudd traveled illegally to Havana in 1968 to engage in terrorist training. There, camps set up by Soviet KGB Colonel Vadim Kotchergine were educating Westerners both in Marxist philosophy and urban warfare."
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6808
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For all you'll ever need or want to know about
Wright's Marxist "Black Liberation Theology",
see my FR Home page (Section 4):
http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/

14 posted on 03/31/2009 7:27:19 AM PDT by ETL (ALL the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Houghton M.
You didn't find *anything* informative in this post? You responded like someone from the Obama camp or left-wing media.
15 posted on 03/31/2009 7:29:42 AM PDT by ETL (ALL the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Houghton M.

Amen. This and the birth certificate topic are really sad (but understandable instances) of flights of desperate fantasy. It is no wonder people hope for some miraculous unveiling of Obama which will send the country immediately back into Conservative arms, but I think Rush has the right idea; it is just going to take a long time in rebuilding the Conservative movement, and it will be against the odds most of the way, barring some event which sends people irrationally back as the pendulum swings our way. We can’t wish an old, possibly goofy, and likely poorly written college paper written by anyone into becoming that kind of game-changing influence on the nation. Hillary Clinton’s old college papers have certainly not ended her career.


16 posted on 03/31/2009 7:34:11 AM PDT by Coyote Choir
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To: ETL

“The Hunt for Red Obama”


17 posted on 03/31/2009 7:36:01 AM PDT by twistedwrench
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To: Coyote Choir
We can’t wish an old, possibly goofy, and likely poorly written college paper written by anyone into becoming that kind of game-changing influence on the nation.

Who said this alone would be such a thing? It's simply another telling piece in the puzzle.

18 posted on 03/31/2009 7:41:05 AM PDT by ETL (ALL the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: ETL
. During her decade-long tenure at Riverside, which became home to the National Council of Churches, Weiss regularly received Russian KGB agents, Sandinista friends, and Cuban intelligence agents. Weiss became infamous for her role in the psychological warfare conducted against U.S. prisoners of war held in the infamous "Hanoi Hilton" during the Vietnam War.

Wonder if the national council of churches is still located here...it was instrumental in forcing Elian back to Cuba during the clinton reign of terror and my church at the time, United Methodist, was a big contributor (member) of this sick council. I left the Methodist Church because of this affiliation.

19 posted on 03/31/2009 7:41:58 AM PDT by Republic (Jedem das Seine)
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To: ETL

Did I say I found nothing informative? All of the pile of stuff could have been posted under the rubric, “Obama’s Radicalism.” That would be fine with me.

I specifically urged not to go down the rabbit hole of Obama’s phantom undergrad thesis.

He didn’t write one.

Period.

Once you get that through your head, then post all the other stuff about how radical he was and is.

But stop it with the conspiracy-to-hide-Obama’s-undergrad-thesis crap.


20 posted on 03/31/2009 7:43:38 AM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: Coyote Choir
Amen. This and the birth certificate topic are really sad (but understandable instances) of flights of desperate fantasy.

Taking time off from DU today?

21 posted on 03/31/2009 7:43:38 AM PDT by ETL (ALL the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: JoyjoyfromNJ

ping to self to review in detail later


22 posted on 03/31/2009 7:44:30 AM PDT by JoyjoyfromNJ (Psalm 121)
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To: ETL

And responding to those who point this out by calling them DU trolls indicates that you have no real argument to make.


23 posted on 03/31/2009 7:46:07 AM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: Houghton M.
I specifically urged not to go down the rabbit hole of Obama’s phantom undergrad thesis. He didn’t write one. Period.

As smart as you are you must have noticed that the word 'thesis' was in quotes all throughout my post. That implies it wasn't really a thesis. Only the New York Times piece described it as a thesis.

24 posted on 03/31/2009 7:46:27 AM PDT by ETL (ALL the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Kenny Bunk
That book, literary analysts claim, was possibly ghost-written by Bill Ayers. Its style, vocabulary, sentence structure, philosophy and story line are eerily similar to Ayers' other works.

AND completely different than his other, more recent, book.
25 posted on 03/31/2009 7:49:28 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: Kenny Bunk

“Obama did not attend “Columbia College.” He attended Columbia University’s “School of General Studies.” This is an alternative program run by the University and has evening seminars” and “special programs”, intended for part-time, or working students. It’s OK, but it ain’t “Columbia College.” Pretty much “walk-in” admission.”

I am pretty sure that you just made this up. There is no Columbia College in NYC, and Columbia University is not an alternative program with walk-in admission. I will never understand why FR posters make things up and post them. That is what the libs do, not conservatives. Please cite a source for your information.


26 posted on 03/31/2009 7:51:27 AM PDT by ga medic
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To: popdonnelly
I thought theses were the property of the universities, and were usually preserved.

Columbia College does not require a "thesis" for graduation. What the author of the article must be referring to is some time of senior paper. These are always returned to the student and are not kept by the Univeristy.

27 posted on 03/31/2009 7:55:29 AM PDT by Parmenio
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To: Parmenio
Columbia College does not require a "thesis" for graduation. What the author of the article must be referring to is some time of senior paper. These are always returned to the student and are not kept by the Univeristy.

...some type of senior paper. It's early ... need some coffee.

28 posted on 03/31/2009 8:01:29 AM PDT by Parmenio
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To: popdonnelly
I thought theses were the property of the universities, and were usually preserved.

Dissertations usually are, not sure about theses. In any case, folks I know who have written dissertations or theses were, at the time, quite proud of them and made sure to give copies to family and friends.

29 posted on 03/31/2009 8:04:11 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Kenny Bunk

Your post was worth reading this morning, unlike my labored nothing on this topic, and I am going to watch for your name, as probably others already do. You sound rational and informative.


30 posted on 03/31/2009 8:08:16 AM PDT by Coyote Choir
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To: Coyote Choir

You have a LOT to learn about Obama and the commie left. I would seriously advise you check out my FR Home page. Seriously.

http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/


31 posted on 03/31/2009 8:23:29 AM PDT by ETL (ALL the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: ETL

bttt


32 posted on 03/31/2009 8:24:36 AM PDT by The Californian (The door to the room of success swings on the hinges of opposition. Bob Jones, Sr.)
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To: ga medic
COLUMBIA SCHOOLS AND AFFILIATED INSTITUTIONS

Architecture, Planning and Preservation, Graduate School of
Arts, School of the Arts and Sciences, Faculty of
Arts and Sciences, Graduate School of
Barnard College (Affiliate)
Business, Graduate School of
Columbia College
Continuing Education, School of
Dental Medicine, College of
Engineering and Applied Science, The Fu Foundation School of
General Studies, School of
Postbaccalaureate Premedical Program
International and Public Affairs, School of
Jewish Theological Seminary (Affiliate)
Journalism, Graduate School of
Law, School of
Nursing, School of
Physicians and Surgeons, College of
Public Health, Mailman School of
Social Work, School of
Teachers College (Affiliate)
Union Theological Seminary (Affiliate)

Source: Columbia University website.
Doc, to reiterate, The School of General Studies is a handy place. One could drop in and take a course not offered by one's own institution, or whatever. It is not the same as going to Columbia College. If you go to Columbia General Studies long enough, and take enough courses, and matriculate, you can get a degree from the University. You still did not go to Columbia College.

Columbia College is (a) small, (b) elite, (c) very hard to get into. Columbia General Studies requires you to be (a) breathing (b) be able to pay tuition one way or another.

I in no way wish to disparage Columbia General Studies, and this fantastic opportunity it offers folks who are not "mainstream" to acquire an education or follow some discipline in which they are interested. But, in this, it is no different or no more unique than Harvard, or Yale, or any another big-time University. So, BHO, Jr. is, or may well be, a graduate of Columbia University. He did not attend Columbia College. And his records at the University remain sealed, or lost, or hidden, or something, as do his records at Occidental.

The missing "thesis," IMHO, is probably nothing more than a required term paper in a particular course, and would not be filed in the Columbia Library.

The media went to great trouble to access every single course GW had taken at Yale, and only dropped the inquiry when it developed that he had generally higher grades than Kerry. Point is, both sets of records were AVAILABLE. Hello?

PS
In the late 50s, I took a science course I needed at Columbia General Studies because of scheduling conflicts at my much smaller college. Not bad!

33 posted on 03/31/2009 8:32:45 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (The Election of 2008: Given the choice between stupid and evil, the stupid chose evil.)
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To: Kenny Bunk
Obama did not attend "Columbia College." He attended Columbia University's "School of General Studies." This is an alternative program run by the University and has evening seminars" and "special programs", intended for part-time, or working students. It's OK, but it ain't "Columbia College."

From the Columbia University website:

"Obama attended Columbia College from 1981 to 1983"

http://news.columbia.edu/home/1260

You may well be correct, however.

34 posted on 03/31/2009 8:43:29 AM PDT by ETL (ALL the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: ETL
From the Columbia University website: "Obama attended Columbia College from 1981 to 1983"

I think it's a bit of after-the-fact redaction. Apparently, no member of the Columbia College Class of 1984 has come forward to reminisce about the "good old days with Barry".

To the contrary, several have come forward to ask, "Who is this guy?" The Obama College Years: A Mystery Wrapped in an Enigma?

35 posted on 03/31/2009 8:58:57 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (The Election of 2008: Given the choice between stupid and evil, the stupid chose evil.)
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To: Kenny Bunk

My apologies. I didn’t say this the way that I meant it, and I was incorrect. I should have said that there isn’t an independent Columbia College in NYC, that is not affiliated with Columbia University. In fact, Columbia College was officially changed to Columbia University, but undergraduate studies still retain the name.

It is completely untrue that the “Columbia University General Studies” program accepts anyone who walks through the door.

http://www.gs.columbia.edu/index_faqs.htm “Columbia University School of General Studies (GS) is as competitive as Columbia’s traditional, undergraduate colleges, which include Columbia College, the Fu Foundation School of Engineering and Applied Science, and affiliate Barnard College. Though admission requirements differ slightly from the aforementioned schools because of our nontraditional student applicant pool, GS only admits the best and the brightest prospective students.”

And it appears the Columbia College of Columbia University believes that Barack Obama did not graduate from the Department of General Studies.

http://www.college.columbia.edu/cct_archive/jan05/cover.php

My apologies for the error.


36 posted on 03/31/2009 9:03:44 AM PDT by ga medic
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To: Parmenio

“Columbia College does not require a “thesis” for graduation. What the author of the article must be referring to is some type of senior paper. These are always returned to the student and are not kept by the University.”

I don’t know specifically about Columbia, but at Princeton and Duke, seniors must (Princeton) or may (Duke) write a “senior honors thesis” which is not simply a term paper, (which is why it merits the moniker “thesis”). NYT obviously may have been sloppy in its reporting, but my presumption is that it used the term “thesis” because that’s how it was described to the reporter. So the mere fact that Columbia doesn’t require a thesis of all seniors does not mean that Obama could not have written one.

As for retention policies, universities do make a point of retaining these in bound form for their PhD students. But they make no similar effort to systematically retain the far larger volume of theses written by Masters students and seniors. I concur that today, such theses generally are prized by their authors, who generally make a point of at least retaining their own copy and even sending a bound copy to their advisor and/or parents. BUT Obama’s was written in 1983, when the cost of reproduction may have been much more prohibitive than it is today. So there’s nothing sinister or mysterious about Obama’s having failed to do so. Moreover, for all we know his grandmother did have a copy among her possessions, but Obama did a rather thorough job of keeping the press away from her.

To all appearances, Obama “travels light” (leaving aside his 500 person entourage to Europe). He’s no packrat, having apparently tossed all his papers related to being an Illinois legislator. Perhaps there was a sinister motivation to cover up corruption/malfeasance, but it may also simply be a lifestyle choice. Obama always has had his “eye on the prize” and relative to being POTUS, any accomplishments in college or his subsequent career are pretty small potatoes.


37 posted on 03/31/2009 9:16:00 AM PDT by DrC
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To: DrC
"So the mere fact that Columbia doesn’t require a thesis of all seniors does not mean that Obama could not have written one."

Columbia College does not require a thesis for any senior, period. I hardly think Obama would spend hours and hours writing a thesis if it were not required coursework. We can blame this whole flap on the incompetence of the NY Times in misreporting it.

38 posted on 03/31/2009 9:29:21 AM PDT by Parmenio
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To: ga medic
Though admission requirements differ slightly from the aforementioned schools because of our nontraditional student applicant pool, GS only admits the best and the brightest prospective students.”

Come on, Doc, even in my day we knew how to interpret College Catalog Shedazzle! Seriously, in my day just being registered at another college was enough to get you in the door and get your check cashed. And even in my day, if you did enough, and well enough at good old GS, you could get credit for it and graduate from the university.

In regard to BHO, Jr: Suffice it to say the man is the holder of some sort of credential from Columbia University. What it is, what he studied or what he did to get it will remain unknown to ordinary mortals for all time, if he has his way.

And he himself? Well, he apparently remains personally unknown to his Columbia classmates.

39 posted on 03/31/2009 9:41:31 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (The Election of 2008: Given the choice between stupid and evil, the stupid chose evil.)
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To: Parmenio
We can blame this whole flap on the incompetence of the NY Times in misreporting it.

Whatever you call the damn thing, he mostly likely DID write some kind of paper on Soviet nuclear disarmament. Plus, we have this KGB-front, Institute For Policy Studies, leading a "nuclear disarmament" movement out of nearby Riverside Church at precisely the same time Obama was at Columbia. We have Bill Ayers attending nearby Bank Street College, also at the same time. We have FBI confirmation that the Weather Underground were taught Marxist philosophy and "urban warfare" by the KGB while in Cuba. It is by no means a stretch to conclude that this idiot from Hawaii, or wherever, held/holds this position. I would bet my life on it that he was somehow mixed up in the Riverside Church/KGB-front thing. He might not have been aware what it was, but I think it's highly likely that he was influenced by individuals there. He's already admitted he attended several Socialist Scholars Conferences at the time. These things are crawling with pro-communist/pro-Russia PsOS.

From David Horowitz's FrontPageMag.com/DiscoverTheNetworks.org:
Profile: Institute For Policy Studies (IPS)

IPS’s [Institute For Policy Studies] Washington, DC headquarters quickly became a resource center for national reporters and a place for KGB agents from the nearby Soviet embassy to convene and strategize. Cora Weiss headed one of the IPS's most successful forays -- into Riverside Church in Manhattan. She was invited there in 1978 by the Reverend William Sloane Coffin to run the church's Disarmament Program, which sought to consolidate Soviet nuclear superiority in Europe -- in the name of "peace." In 1982 Weiss helped organize the largest pro-disarmament demonstration ever held. Staged in New York City, the rally was attended by a coalition of communist organizations. During her decade-long tenure at Riverside, which became home to the National Council of Churches, Weiss regularly received Russian KGB agents, Sandinista friends, and Cuban intelligence agents. Weiss became infamous for her role in the psychological warfare conducted against U.S. prisoners of war held in the infamous "Hanoi Hilton" during the Vietnam War.

The Liberation News Service, which is a news source for hundreds of "alternative" publications nationwide (with antiwar, Marxist-oriented perspectives), was founded in 1967 with IPS assistance."

[lots more at link...]

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6991

40 posted on 03/31/2009 9:50:04 AM PDT by ETL (ALL the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: ETL

It doesn’t matter whether “thesis” was in scare quotes.

Unless it truly was a thesis, it will not have been preserved. Since it wasn’t a “thesis,” it can’t be found. So breathless conspiratorial articles about it are rabbit trails.

It was an ephemeral term paper. It undoubtedly reflected his radical ideas. Focus on his radical ideas. There’s plenty of other evidence for them. No one is covering up or hiding his “thesis.” Stop using the cheap trick of implying that Columbia is hiding his “thesis” as a tool to get people interested in learning how radical he is.

We have the same goal. You’ll reach it faster if you stop plunging into rabbit holes.


41 posted on 03/31/2009 10:07:50 AM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: Parmenio

From what I’ve read, it doesn’t even seem to have been a “senior paper” (which usually means a paper not for a single class but as a capstone to one’s studies), but rather a simple paper within a single course.

This may not be exactly what happened, but that’s what I recall from earlier discussions of this.


42 posted on 03/31/2009 10:09:44 AM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: ETL

Yes, he wrote “some kind of paper on disarmament.”

But, darn it, it was just a paper for one course in an affiliated college of Columbia University.

The term papers students turn in in individual classes are pretty lightweight affairs. I know because I’ve grade a hell of a lot of them.

Sure, he might have written a 20-25 page paper for a single class. I doubt it, given his difficulty writing a book for which he was being paid handsomely. But even if he wrote a substantial term paper of 20 pages on nuclear disarmament, so what? It would have stated more or less what any number of average sized articles on the topic in X number of left-leaning journals of the day had to say about the topic.

We know all that stuff already. Collect his other radical statements and make them known. More power to you. But chasing after this phantom major statement of his as an undergrad on nuclear disarmament is a waste of your time and our time.


43 posted on 03/31/2009 10:16:07 AM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: ETL

Reagan used to be a Democrat. Nobody’s going to hold BHO accountable for something he wrote when he was 22


44 posted on 03/31/2009 10:18:41 AM PDT by Homer1
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To: Homer1

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45 posted on 03/31/2009 11:02:33 AM PDT by Ciexyz (I heard Joe the Plumber speak 03-30-2009.)
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To: Parmenio

“Columbia College does not require a thesis for any senior, period. I hardly think Obama would spend hours and hours writing a thesis if it were not required coursework.”

You missed my point. Even when a senior honors thesis is not required, students pursue them for the HONORS conferred upon them at graduation. Here’s the description from Department of Political Science:
“The department offers an honors program for a limited number of seniors who want to undertake substantial research projects and write honors theses. The honors thesis is expected to be approximately 60–75 pages in length and of exceptional quality. Honors students perform research as part of a full-year honors seminar (POLS C3998-C3999 , 8 points total) during their senior year, in place of the seminar requirement for majors. Honors students may, however, take regular seminars to fulfill other course requirements for the major. Theses are due in late March or early April. To be awarded departmental honors, the student must satisfy all the requirements for the major, maintain a 3.6 GPA in the major, and complete a thesis of sufficiently high quality to merit honors.”
http://www.college.columbia.edu/bulletin/depts/polisci.php

A student with Obama’s ambition would be quite LIKELY to pursue honors. Thus, the fact that a senior thesis was not REQUIRED is a very thin reed on which to base the conclusion that he never wrote one.


46 posted on 03/31/2009 11:21:34 AM PDT by DrC
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To: Coyote Choir
This and the birth certificate topic are really sad (but understandable instances) of flights of desperate fantasy.

Lest you forget, the Left used the simple tactic of attacking from all quarters, all the time.

Yes, Conservatives are either going to have to re-assert themselves in the Republican Party or build a meaningful political machine from scratch, and that can be done.

In the meantime, it behooves us all to leave no stone unturned, and there are a lot of areas which have been deliberately obscured when it comes to Obama's past.

Ymmv, but there is plenty for everyone to do without wasting time and resources crapping on others' efforts.

47 posted on 03/31/2009 12:33:20 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Houghton M.; Kenny Bunk; Coyote Choir; ga medic; DocH; Homer1; The Californian; Republic; ...
Obama to Seek Arms Control Treaty With Russia
NYT ^ | 3/31/09 | PETER BAKER and HELENE COOPER

Posted on Tuesday, March 31, 2009 11:14:49 PM EDT by Nachum
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2219506/posts

48 posted on 03/31/2009 9:07:57 PM PDT by ETL (ALL the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: All
New York Times...

U.S. and Russia to Consider Reductions of Nuclear Arsenals in Talks for New Treaty
By PETER BAKER and HELENE COOPER
April 1, 2009

WASHINGTON — President Obama plans to open negotiations on Wednesday to draft a new arms control treaty that could slash the American and Russian strategic nuclear arsenals by about a third and possibly lead to even deeper reductions, according to administration officials.

As Mr. Obama arrived in London on Tuesday for his first European trip as president, American and Russian officials have privately indicated that they could agree to reducing their stockpiles perhaps to about 1,500 warheads apiece, down from the 2,200 allowed under a treaty signed by President George W. Bush.

The two sides plan to draft the treaty quickly so it can be signed in time to replace the Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty, or Start, which expires in December after 15 years as the broadest legal foundation of Russian-American nuclear policy. Washington and Moscow hope quick success replacing a pact negotiated in the waning days of the cold war will help revive a strained relationship and set the stage for further arms cuts.

“Just setting a new limit would send a signal to the international community in general that the United States was getting serious about its disarmament commitments again,” said Peter Crail, an analyst at the Arms Control Association, a Washington advocacy organization.

Mr. Obama is to meet President Dmitri A. Medvedev for the first time on Wednesday in London on the sidelines of the Group of 20 economic summit meeting, and they plan to announce the beginning of the talks to replace Start. Obama administration officials also said they expected the two to advance cooperation on other thorny issues, including Afghanistan and Iran.

Mr. Medvedev, in an Op-Ed article published Tuesday in The Washington Post, said he was already seeing better relations since Mr. Obama’s inauguration.

“Neither Russia nor the United States can tolerate drift and indifference in our relations,” Mr. Medvedev wrote. He placed blame for the rift on Mr. Bush’s efforts to build a missile defense system and enlarge NATO in Moscow’s former sphere of influence, making no mention of Russia’s war with Georgia last year.

“Possible areas of cooperation abound,” Mr. Medvedev said. “For instance, I agree with President Obama that resuming the disarmament process should become our immediate priority. The wish to ensure absolute security in a unilateral way is a dangerous illusion. I am encouraged that our new partners in Washington realize this.”

American and Russian officials decided to tackle arms control in part because it seemed the least contentious of their issues. The Russians like talking about arms control because it is one area where they remain relatively on a par with the United States. Mr. Bush scorned arms control as the basis of relations, seeing it as anachronistic, and the treaty he signed was so general it came to fewer than 500 words.

Mr. Obama, by contrast, promised during the campaign to restart traditional arms control talks and take “steps down the long road toward eliminating nuclear weapons.”

“The Obama administration and the president see arms control as an important tool to advance American security,” said Steven Pifer, a former deputy assistant secretary of state under Mr. Bush. “That’s a big philosophical difference.”

Mr. Pifer, now at the Brookings Institution, said Mr. Obama’s initiative could finally bury the cold-war nuclear legacy. “It’s cleaning up some unfinished business that’s been put on hold for the last seven years,” he said.

Of course, opening meetings between American and Russian leaders often begin with hope, only to deteriorate later. In June 2001, when Mr. Bush first met with Vladimir V. Putin, then Russia’s president and now its prime minister, Mr. Bush famously said that “I looked the man in the eye” and “I was able to get a sense of his soul.”

But their cordial relationship degenerated into crisis by last year’s war in Georgia.

The treaty that expires on Dec. 5, Start I, was signed in 1991 before the collapse of the Soviet Union and went into effect in 1994, requiring both sides to reduce their arsenals to 6,000 warheads. Start II was never fully ratified, and a framework for a Start III never went anywhere.

The Strategic Offensive Reductions Treaty, signed by Mr. Bush in 2002, cut arsenals to the range of 1,700 to 2,200 by 2012, relying on the verification program set up by Start. But it allowed warheads to be stored rather than destroyed, and, unlike Start, it imposed no restrictions on delivery vehicles, like intercontinental ballistic missiles, heavy bombers or nuclear-armed submarines.

The process Mr. Obama and Mr. Medvedev begin Wednesday will essentially be a two-stage effort. Because Start I expires soon and Washington’s latest nuclear policy review is still under way, the first stage will focus on getting a replacement to preserve the inspection and verification system established under Start I, combined with a reduction to perhaps 1,500 warheads.

Then next year, the two sides envision a more ambitious agreement that could reduce warheads further, even to 1,000, as well as limit delivery vehicles and possibly tactical nuclear weapons. Start limited each side to 1,600 delivery vehicles but both have already cut below that. Mr. Pifer said a new treaty could bring each down to 600 or 700.

As they focus first on the Start replacement, the two sides appear relatively close on the overall ceiling, but they face other tough issues, most significantly the counting rules. American officials have signaled flexibility but insist that adopting rules that Moscow wants will require more transparency and intrusive inspections, according to people briefed on the unofficial, preliminary discussions.

Another potential complication is the planned American missile defense system in Eastern Europe to defend against a possible Iranian threat. Russian representatives told the Americans that with a 1,500-warhead ceiling, there might be no need to settle the missile defense issue to reach an initial treaty deal. If they want to go lower, to 1,200 or 1,000 warheads, then, the Russians said, they would insist on constraints on missile defense.

The Americans want to avoid having missile defense thrown into the mix, warning that it would make it hard to get a treaty done in time. At a confirmation hearing last Thursday, Rose Gottemoeller, nominated to serve as the assistant secretary of state for verification and compliance and the chief negotiator for the treaty, testified that she wanted to avoid extra issues.

“In my view, we will keep the agenda tight,” she said. “We will keep it focused.”

Senator Richard G. Lugar, an Indiana Republican, said the treaty would have to be signed by August for the Senate to ratify it by Dec. 5. If it cannot be done by then, the Obama administration has talked about possibly signing the pact before the deadline and extending Start until the replacement can be ratified.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/01/washington/01arms.html?_r=2&ref=world&pagewanted=print

49 posted on 03/31/2009 10:04:03 PM PDT by ETL (ALL the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: All
From "45 Communist Goals":
Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35
January 10, 1963:

1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.

2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.

3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm

50 posted on 03/31/2009 10:07:53 PM PDT by ETL (ALL the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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