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Gingrich Keeps Quiet on Catholic Conversion (received into Church over the past weekend)
US News ^ | March 30, 2009 | Dan Gilgoff

Posted on 03/31/2009 12:01:32 PM PDT by NYer

Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich converted to Roman Catholicism over the weekend at St. Joseph's Church in Washington, D.C. So far, Gingrich has been conspicuously quiet about his conversion. He didn't mention it in an interview with me earlier this month that focused on his stepped-up efforts to organize religious conservatives and promote religious liberty issues.

An enthusiastic Twitterer, the former speaker has gone tweetless since Saturday. Best I can tell, Newt's one recent mention of Catholicism was a tweet last Tuesday about President Obama's forthcoming appearance at Notre Dame: "It is sad to see notre dame invite president obama to give the commencement address Since his policies are so anti catholic values."

I checked with his media team, which says that Newt is declining interview requests about his conversion for now but that he may open up later in the year.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: catholic; gingrich; newt; newtgingrich
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To: Welcome2thejungle

Bobby Jindal, our hope for the future. Thank you for posting that list.


51 posted on 03/31/2009 1:02:43 PM PDT by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: SoCalPol

That explains it! Sarah Palin is a very loyal lady but if she was raised right, she would have never turned from Rome. No offense intended to those other religions.


52 posted on 03/31/2009 1:03:07 PM PDT by Professor_Leonide (I said to the young man who showed me a photo, "Who can ever be sure what is behind a mask?")
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To: Alberta's Child

Clarence Thomas was always Catholic but many yrs later became Episcopal and later returned to the Catholic Church


53 posted on 03/31/2009 1:04:15 PM PDT by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: Professor_Leonide

RELIGIOUS ERRORS??? Seems we fought a war for Independence to have the right to worship as we please. So nice of you to prove my point... you are a religious bigot.

LLS


54 posted on 03/31/2009 1:05:28 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (hussein will NEVER be my President... NEVER!!!)
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To: NYer

All the best to Newt but I do worry that wife #3 is a bit too tightly wound ...


55 posted on 03/31/2009 1:06:53 PM PDT by dodger
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To: NYer
I am Catholic, but perhaps someone could clarify Church Law for me. I thought that if a Catholic gets divorced (or maybe gets divorced and then remarried), that they incur automatic excommunication. If this is the case, how is it that Newt is allowed to become Catholic?? If I recall correctly he is divorced and remarried. If living in that state would cause someone who is already Catholic to be excommunicated, shouldn't it also prevent a non-Catholic from being able to enter the Church (unless they first obtain an annulment)??

I am a bit dodgy on some of the finer details of Church Law in this area, so I thought this would be an opportune time to ask.

56 posted on 03/31/2009 1:07:33 PM PDT by Zetman
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To: LibLieSlayer

No offense intended but we fought a war for the right to call another idea an error. There ain’t no law against believing a religious error and Sarah Palin is pro-life so G-d is very forgiving of her protestantism. It’s similar to a point system - you get a lot of points for being pro-life.


57 posted on 03/31/2009 1:09:46 PM PDT by Professor_Leonide (I said to the young man who showed me a photo, "Who can ever be sure what is behind a mask?")
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To: Zetman

Since Newt was not married in the church prior, he was not considered married in the sight of G-d


58 posted on 03/31/2009 1:10:13 PM PDT by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: Zetman

No, divorces before conversion are not counted against you. And then you could also get a divorce reclassified as an annulment and then it would be as if it didn’t happen at all.


59 posted on 03/31/2009 1:10:47 PM PDT by Professor_Leonide (I said to the young man who showed me a photo, "Who can ever be sure what is behind a mask?")
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To: Professor_Leonide

If I could personally appoint a president it would be Newt.
Warts and all.


60 posted on 03/31/2009 1:13:15 PM PDT by SonnyBubba
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To: SonnyBubba

Me too!


61 posted on 03/31/2009 1:13:56 PM PDT by Professor_Leonide (I said to the young man who showed me a photo, "Who can ever be sure what is behind a mask?")
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To: Professor_Leonide

Well Professor, in the Museum of Really Bad Christian Apologetics, your post #54 will have a display case near the front door.


62 posted on 03/31/2009 1:16:39 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Mr. Lucky

I thought the “No Offense Intended” post was pretty clear.


63 posted on 03/31/2009 1:18:30 PM PDT by Professor_Leonide (I said to the young man who showed me a photo, "Who can ever be sure what is behind a mask?")
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To: Mr. Lucky

I didn’t write post #54.


64 posted on 03/31/2009 1:19:18 PM PDT by Professor_Leonide (I said to the young man who showed me a photo, "Who can ever be sure what is behind a mask?")
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To: SoCalPol

Thanks for pointing that out . . . I forgot that whole aspect of Thomas’ early life.


65 posted on 03/31/2009 1:23:48 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: Professor_Leonide

Well, now that creates a pickle. Was I trying to insult LibLieSlayer, or did I mean post #57?


66 posted on 03/31/2009 1:27:05 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Mr. Lucky

What didn’t you like about post #57? Except for staring at myself in the mirror, rereading that post is my favorite pastime! LOL! Sarc/


67 posted on 03/31/2009 1:28:36 PM PDT by Professor_Leonide (I said to the young man who showed me a photo, "Who can ever be sure what is behind a mask?")
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To: NYer

And how is this the business of Dan Gilgoff & US News?!


68 posted on 03/31/2009 1:29:14 PM PDT by kcvl
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Dan Gilgoff

69 posted on 03/31/2009 1:30:58 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: mick; NYer

Re: Gary Cooper’s conversion.
Here’s a nice little remembrance by his daughter, Maria:

In the mid to late fifties, my father’s conversion to Catholicism started silently. He never discussed much about it but simply started joining us for Mass more often. The ostensible reason was to hear the good sermons given by a dynamic young priest, Father Harold Ford, dubbed by my father as “Father Tough Stuff.” Father Ford didn’t give hellfire and brimstone, but he was a very human and with-it man. My mother invited him over for a drink one afternoon, thinking there might be some deep and profound conversations about matters of the spirit. Think again! He and my father disappeared into the gun room and as far as I can tell all they talked about was hunting, fishing, and scuba diving. Father Ford became a scuba buddy and joined us diving in the large marineland of the Pacific tank where we all cavorted with its inhabitants.

http://www.adherents.com/people/pc/Gary_Cooper.html


70 posted on 03/31/2009 1:45:39 PM PDT by Deo volente
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To: kcvl
And how is this the business of Dan Gilgoff & US News?!

Dan Gilgoff covers religion for U.S. News & World Report.


71 posted on 03/31/2009 1:50:51 PM PDT by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: Professor_Leonide

I think we can all safely acknowledge that only Missouri Synod Lutherans (early service, red hymnal liturgy) have a guaranteed ticket to Heaven.


72 posted on 03/31/2009 1:51:31 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Mr. Lucky

I hope for their sake that you are correct.


73 posted on 03/31/2009 1:53:25 PM PDT by Professor_Leonide (I said to the young man who showed me a photo, "Who can ever be sure what is behind a mask?")
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To: Deo volente
Thank you for that story.

Our Lord works in strange ways. Dominus vobiscum.

74 posted on 03/31/2009 2:05:10 PM PDT by mick (Central Banker Capitalism is NOT Free Enterprise)
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To: Professor_Leonide
I hope I didn’t misunderstand your question.

Well, you did.

Are you able to document what you asserted in the post I was addressing?

75 posted on 03/31/2009 2:05:31 PM PDT by Romulus ("Ira enim viri iustitiam Dei non operatur")
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To: SoCalPol
Fiction?

Did you not see and hear Newt's Goblal Warming ad with his good friend Nancy?

Nancy Pelosi and Newt Gingrich Commercial on Climate Change

Newt's been inside the Beltway way too long!

76 posted on 03/31/2009 2:07:58 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Professor_Leonide

Is there a general roster of point values I missed somewhere in my KJV?


77 posted on 03/31/2009 2:08:53 PM PDT by SoDak (Molon Labe)
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To: TexasCajun

http://www.globalwarming.org/2008/10/07/yes-even-sanford/

This is the guy who drank the KoolAid


78 posted on 03/31/2009 2:15:36 PM PDT by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: Romulus

What were you asserting?


79 posted on 03/31/2009 2:19:29 PM PDT by Professor_Leonide (I said to the young man who showed me a photo, "Who can ever be sure what is behind a mask?")
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To: Zetman

Though divorced in a civilian court, one is still married in the Church. If one remarries in a civilian ceremony, one is committing adultery in the eyes of the Church. One may live that way, but not take Communion as one would be living in a state of sin. But one would not automatically be excommunicated.


80 posted on 03/31/2009 2:26:43 PM PDT by Excellence (What Madoff is to finance Gore is to global warming.)
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To: Zetman

I am jumping in here and perhaps this has already been answered. First of all, a prior valid marriage must exist, in order to prevent conversion.

Newt’s first wife passed away several years ago, and Mary Ann, his second wife, married him while the first wife was still alive, so his second marriage would not be considered valid in the eyes of the Church.

I realize to those outside the Church this seems pretty legalistic, but those are the rules and the way they would be interpreted.


81 posted on 03/31/2009 2:43:03 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: Zetman

Any marriage — not just marriage contracted as Catholic — will have to be annuled by the Catholic Church, but who was and who wasn’t Catholic at that time is indeed an important factor.

Annulment is by no means automatic consequence of divorce.

If Newt does not obtain an annulment, his only option is to separate from his present wife and live celibate life.

There has been a speculation that his first marriage can probably be annuled on the grounds that he was very young and substantially younger than his wife. His second marriage would be null because it was not first. Should that be the case, he is free to convalidate his present marriage in the Church.


82 posted on 03/31/2009 3:05:28 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: Professor_Leonide

It’s you who were asserting something, Professor.

You seem incapable of maintaining a coherent dialogue. From now on, I’ll make a point of discounting your statements, as following a rational line appears to be too much for you.


83 posted on 03/31/2009 3:07:09 PM PDT by Romulus ("Ira enim viri iustitiam Dei non operatur")
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To: Miss Marple; Zetman
Newt’s first wife passed away several years ago, and Mary Ann, his second wife, married him while the first wife was still alive, so his second marriage would not be considered valid in the eyes of the Church.

Ah, right. So the first marriage does not have to be annuled because of the spouse passing on, and the second was null due to the prior bond existing at the time.

84 posted on 03/31/2009 3:10:25 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: Professor_Leonide

Hi, I think the other poster is asking if you have any documentation that Princess Diana actually had a Catholic funeral. If I’ve interpreted this incorrectly, I apologize in advance to both you and the other poster.


85 posted on 03/31/2009 3:42:51 PM PDT by Mila
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To: Zetman
Best to ask a priest.My son was married by Justice of Peace and was divorced.His new wife was married by Justice of the Peace and then devorced.They had to prove they were Catholics.Prove they were divorced and also get a paper from the church-not an annulment-that took 8 weeks.Then they had to go for instructions and we found out that his future wife was never confirmed so she is getting lessons for that.Yes they were married in the church and it was so beautiful,Mass and everything.Thank you Lord.
86 posted on 03/31/2009 3:50:23 PM PDT by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: Deo volente

LOL. Great story.


87 posted on 03/31/2009 4:59:49 PM PDT by Lorica
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To: NYer

It is NONE of his business where Newt attends church, NONE!

I guarantee you he didn’t ‘cover’ Obama’s racist pastor & church!


88 posted on 03/31/2009 6:19:17 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Professor_Leonide
Princess Di dove in and swam the Tibur(sic) also!

Verifiable source, please.

89 posted on 03/31/2009 6:49:11 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: NYer

Newt’s conversion—could that be why there was all that thunder and light reported all along the East Coast last weekend??????


90 posted on 03/31/2009 6:55:43 PM PDT by exit82 (The Obama Cabinet: There was more brainpower on Gilligan's Island.)
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To: buccaneer81
She was born and raised Catholic and left the Church in her 20s.

Incorrect. Palin was baptized as a Catholic but raised as a Pentacostal after her parents left the Church shortly after her birth, long before her 20s. She was re-baptized as a Pentacostal at the age of 13.

91 posted on 03/31/2009 7:03:10 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: Zetman
Read:

divorce

92 posted on 03/31/2009 7:08:14 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: Professor_Leonide

I’ll forgive your error of not spelling God’s name correctly.


93 posted on 03/31/2009 7:15:43 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: NYer

Welcome Home Newt!


94 posted on 03/31/2009 8:34:47 PM PDT by Barney59 ("Amen")
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To: NYer

Welcome Home, Mr. Speaker!


95 posted on 03/31/2009 10:47:18 PM PDT by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Romulus

Romulus, if you want me to verify something please restate what you want me to verify because, believe it or not, I may have three or four conversations going at the same time with different people.

As for Princess Di, I actually saw film footage of her Catholic funeral on TV. She had the Catholic funeral the day before the public spectacle of all those people crying over the death of a fluffy pretty girl who married up and who’s only redeeming action was to convert to Catholicism - no offense intended.

Now, Romulus, is there anything else on your mind? I’m always here to help and, as always, I mean no offense to anyone.


96 posted on 04/01/2009 8:18:22 AM PDT by Professor_Leonide (I said to the young man who showed me a photo, "Who can ever be sure what is behind a mask?")
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To: Professor_Leonide
As for Princess Di, I actually saw film footage of her Catholic funeral on TV.

No disrespect, but I don't think you did. You may have seen a Mass offered for the repose of her soul; it would be entirely routine for the Church to do so for a distinguished non-Catholic.

97 posted on 04/01/2009 9:39:44 AM PDT by Romulus ("Ira enim viri iustitiam Dei non operatur")
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To: NYer

AND Dr. Bernard Nathanson and Norma McCorvey and Randall Terry and Maureen Reagan and Frank Meyer (original managing editor of National Review) and Scott Hahn and Gerry Matatics (although he is said to have later gotten himself in trouble) and Bob Novak and Robert Welch and his wife and Avery Cardinal Dulles and......


98 posted on 04/01/2009 2:11:11 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: livius

In my parish, four are coming into the Church, all women this Easter vigil. Three are canidates, one will be baptized. Plus also I think sometimes a parish if it does not have an RCIA program, will send people who are interested in coming into the Church to a parish which has one.


99 posted on 04/01/2009 4:59:13 PM PDT by Biggirl (GO UCONN!=^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^=)
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To: NYer

Congrats to Newt and WELCOME HOME!


100 posted on 04/01/2009 5:07:23 PM PDT by Biggirl (GO UCONN!=^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^=)
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