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Atlanta's gun free zones are not free of guns
Atlanta Gun Rights Examiner ^ | 30 March, 2009 | Ed StoneGo to Ed's Home Page

Posted on 04/01/2009 4:42:33 AM PDT by marktwain

Atlanta's gun free zones are not free of guns or violent crime.

Georgia has one of the toughest laws in the country when it comes to banning guns from school property. The law creates what it calls the "school safety zone," an area of 1,000 feet surrounding any school, including universities and adult technical schools, where it is a felony punishable by ten years in prison to possess a firearm or other weapon. So why do armed and violent criminals keep striking near Georgia schools?

In just the last couple of weeks, Atlanta's prominent engineering university, Georgia Tech, has experienced five robberies of its students, who are disarmed by law within 1,000 feet of campus.

In the first four incidents, Georgia's draconian "school safety zone" law did not deter the robbers from using firearms to commit their crimes. Here are the incidents as reported by Georgia Tech.

On 3/16/09 at about 12:00 AM, an armed robbery occurred on Third Street near Spring Street. As the victim (not affiliated with the Institute) exited his vehicle near Third Street and Spring Street, an unknown male, accompanied by two females, pointed a handgun at the victim and demanded his belongings. All three subjects fled the area on foot.

On 03/16/2009 at approximately 12:30 AM, a Georgia Tech student was robbed at gunpoint on 14th Street just west of the 14th Street Mosque. According to the student, he was walking alone from the Family Living Center towards the BP Gas Station located at the intersection of 14th Street and Hemphill Avenue when he was approached from behind by a black male. The offender displayed a silver, semi-automatic handgun and demanded the student’s belongings. The student gave the male his wallet and was not injured. The offender then left the area on foot.

On 03/14/2009 at 4:30 AM, a Georgia Tech student was robbed at gunpoint on Centennial Olympic Park Drive near North Avenue Apartments. According to the student, he parked his vehicle on Centennial Olympic Park Drive and began walking southbound. As he was walking, he noticed four males walking his direction. Two of the males crossed the street while the other two continued walking towards him. As the two males got closer, one displayed a revolver and demanded the student’s belongings. The student gave the males his phone, wallet, and car keys. He was not injured. The two males who were across the street joined the other two males and stole the victim’s vehicle. They were last seen traveling northbound on Centennial Olympic Park Drive towards North Avenue.

On 03/16/2009 at 11:50 PM, a Georgia Tech student and his wife were robbed at gunpoint at the intersection of Calhoun Street and Hirsch Street. According to the student, he and his wife were walking back to their residence in the Home Park Area from the Mason CE Building when they were approached from behind by two black males. One of the offenders displayed a dark colored handgun and demanded their belongings. Their book bags, wallets, and cell phones were taken. The offenders then fled the area on foot.

Experience demonstrates that the law does not deter criminals from using firearms. The only known result of the "school safety zone" law is to make it known to predators in Atlanta that there are "easy pickings" in and around college campuses, since students, faculty, and law-abiding visitors scrupulously obey the "school safety zone" law and disarm. The Georgia law has nothing whatsoever to do with "safety" and everything to do with denying students and faculty their inherent right of self defense.

In the fifth robbery, the robber did not need a firearm to rob his compliant victim.

On 03/22/2009 at 6:05AM, a Georgia Tech student was robbed by force while walking back to campus from the 10th Street MARTA Station. The victim stated he was approached by a black male who asked for money to get something to eat. The offender followed the victim to the area of 10th Street and Williams Street where the offender pushed the victim to the ground and took his wallet. The offender then fled the area on foot. The victim suffered minor scrapes to his knee and elbow from the fall. This case is under investigation by the Atlanta Police Department. Description of Suspect:* Black Male 20-25 years of age * Approximately 5’10” Tall * Approximately 160lbs. with a thin build * Short hair * Clothing description is possibly a green jacket and dark colored pants

Additional Safety Information for Georgia Tech

None of that "additional safety information" includes carrying the most effective means of self defense available, a firearm.

Georgia Tech is not the only campus recently to experience violence at the hand of armed criminals. The month of March also saw the shooting of a pregnant woman at Savannah Tech. Obviously, the current approach of pretending that one more law is going to stop criminals from carrying guns is not working.

Utah, by contrast, has very few armed crimes on its college campuses and, in spite of a state law overriding college gun ban policies, has yet to experience a single accident, gun crime, or gun theft from an armed student or faculty member. Utah's current approach seems to be working.

Several states are re-examining their school gun bans, and Georgia is one of them. Rep. Timothy Bearden (R-68) introduced HB 615 this year, which would, among other things, repeal the felony "school safety zone" law as it applies to holders of Georgia firearms licenses. HB 615 has about 40 co-sponsors and is expected to pass in 2010, the second year of the legislative session.

Both Tennessee and Texas have similar legislation pending, but it is facing opposition, some of it from the students themselves. John Woods, pictured above, said, "The idea that somebody could stop a school shooting with a gun is impossible. It's reactive, not preventative."

Mr. Woods should study his premise a little more carefully. It is not "impossible" to stop a school shooting, as several active shool shootings have been stopped by armed students and faculty. Mr. Woods' dogmatic statement leaves one wondering why there are not more reports of mass shooting murders in police stations and at shooting ranges on Saturday, which tends to be the most crowded day. The answer is simple, the mass murderers go where the disarmed and helpless victims like John Woods are. The psychopaths who commit these crimes like to have defenseless victims at their non-existent mercy. Right now, the best place to find such a crowd of disarmed victims is on your local school campus - unless you happen to live in Utah.

UPDATE - Following publication, it came to my attention that, in spite of the supposedly "gun free" zone status of Georgia Tech, there was yet another armed robbery committed by a robber with a gun. Apparently, those among us who are predisposed to commit violent crimes tend not to care much about violating one additional law. Georgia's law is not working, and it is time to stop denying us the right of self defense while visiting a school campus.

On 03/30/2009 at approximately 11:26 Pm, two Georgia Tech students were robbed at gunpoint in the Mechanical Engineering Alleyway, near the Skiles Classroom Building Walkway and Crossland Library. According to the victims, the offender approached them from behind and produced a silver semi-automatic handgun, demanding their wallets and book bags. The victims complied with the offender’s demands, and the offender fled the area on foot. No one was injured during the robbery.

This case is under investigation by the Georgia Tech Police Department.

Description of Suspect:

· Black Male, dark complexion, slender build, approximately 5’10” – 5’11” tall wearing a black hoodie, dark blue jeans, and a ski mask armed with a silver semi-automatic pistol

Additional Safety Information for Georgia Tech


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Georgia
KEYWORDS: atlanta; banglist; georgia; gun; gunfreezone; gunfreezones; shallnotbeinfringed
I think the main reason that most anti-freedom types want the absence of guns is that they are not willing to take responsibility for their own safety.
1 posted on 04/01/2009 4:42:33 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain
...Georgia's draconian "school safety zone" law did not deter the robbers from using firearms to commit their crimes.

Is anyone really surprised by this? Perhaps GA should pass a law stating that the sun should rise in the West...that has about the same probability of success.

2 posted on 04/01/2009 4:46:34 AM PDT by econjack (Some people are as dumb as soup.)
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To: marktwain

Banning guns has NEVER kept the bad guys from having guns to use on the good guys who don’t. Never has, never will.


3 posted on 04/01/2009 4:49:10 AM PDT by Evil Slayer (Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war)
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To: marktwain

Liberals hate freedom and love being victims. It’s their comfort zone. Besides, fewer guns = more crime. More crime = more victims = greater latitude to restrict freedom. Liberals are evil.


4 posted on 04/01/2009 4:52:13 AM PDT by Liberty Ship ("Lord, make me fast and accurate.")
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To: marktwain

5 posted on 04/01/2009 4:54:16 AM PDT by Islander7 (If you want to anger conservatives, lie to them. If you want to anger liberals, tell them the truth.)
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To: marktwain

GA Tech is located in downtown Atlanta, near some high crime areas. The campus is open to the public but at least has some campus cops and numbers of people around. Walking through the outlying areas frome the MARTA station or even the Varsuty hamburger joint puts an unarmed potential victim at risk. Knowing the victim is unarmed is just a plus for the predator. Best solution, don’t go to GA Tech or go by car and leave before the night predators come out.


6 posted on 04/01/2009 4:55:09 AM PDT by dblshot
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To: marktwain

One common thread in these events, the perps fled on foot. Seems like shoe control is needed to stop crime in these Gun Free Zones.

Seriously, what do you do if your dwelling is within a thousand feet?


7 posted on 04/01/2009 5:04:44 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: DBrow

“Seriously, what do you do if your dwelling is within a thousand feet?....”

DO as the criminals do: IGNORE IT and don’t tell anyone!!!
If you need it, use it. Tried by 12 is a heckuva lot better than being lugged by 6.


8 posted on 04/01/2009 5:12:36 AM PDT by lgjhn23
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To: Liberty Ship

“Liberals hate freedom and love being victims. It’s their comfort zone. Besides, fewer guns = more crime. More crime = more victims = greater latitude to restrict freedom. Liberals are evil....”

As said before: Liberalism is an evil insidious mental disease with no know cure. Years ago, those kinds of people used to be kept locked up in state institutions known as “nut houses”. They tried everything to cure em, including shock therapy...nothing helped. They are now out in society dictating social and political policy. They will get us all killed if allowed to have their way.


9 posted on 04/01/2009 5:17:42 AM PDT by lgjhn23
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To: DBrow
"Seriously, what do you do if your dwelling is within a thousand feet?"

That was a question I had. What if you live right next door to an elementary school? Does this mean you are not allowed to own guns in your house? I wonder if this instance has ever come up before in Georgia. It's certainly possible.
10 posted on 04/01/2009 5:24:18 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: marktwain
Atlanta's gun free zones are not free of guns

Imagine that! Criminals don't obey the law! Who'da THUNK it?

11 posted on 04/01/2009 5:24:45 AM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: DBrow

Worse yet: the GT campus butts right up alongside the massive I85/I75 freeway. Gotta wonder how many otherwise perfectly law-abiding citizens are unwittingly committing a punishable-by-10-years felony by merely driving from point A to B via passing the Varsity.


12 posted on 04/01/2009 5:34:12 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (John Galt was exiled.)
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To: marktwain

I have a carry license. My 14 year old daughter plays with the Metropolitan Youth Symphony Orchestra of Atlanta. They rehearse at a Georgia State University campus building on Sundays. There are times I have to park several blocks away and walk to meet her at the door. This law prevents me from carrying my pistol in a bad part of the city. I’ve been panhandled, but luckily nothing worse than that.

I’ve taken to circling the block over and over again until she calls. Then, she comes out when my car pulls up.


13 posted on 04/01/2009 5:45:40 AM PDT by melissa_in_ga (Welcome to the USSA. Be alert. Stock up.)
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To: dblshot

I have had Georgia concealed carry permit for the past 20 years. always carry concealed no matter where I am at, including when I’m at the GT campus.

The point of concealed carry is that no one should know you are carrying. I’m not a law breaker and never have been detained or searched by law enforcement.

Should I ever need to use my weapon in a “no carry’ zone, I rather have the option to try my case in court if charged than have my family and friends have to testify in court on my behalf at my killers sentencing hearing (if he would be caught at all).

The old “better tried by 12 than carried by 6” approach.


14 posted on 04/01/2009 6:01:36 AM PDT by nevergore ("It could be that the purpose of my life is simply to serve as a warning to others.")
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To: nevergore
I drove to my new GoodYear store last week to get a new set of tires ($800). As I approached the front door, I noticed the "gun free zone" sign on the door. I took my weapon back to the car and secured it ... then went back in and asked for the manager. I asked him who's policy that was on the door, his or his company's. It is GOODYEAR's policy, not the local store. So I told him what I needed and why I wasn't going to buy it from him. Went 2 blocks away to a new business and bought $800 worth of tires from a guy that used to work for GoodYear. I told him why I was buying tires from him and he thanked me (then privately showed me his 45 he carries all the time right there in his store). He said, you are welcome to carry here, ... better there's TWO of us against them, huh?

Boycot Goodyear if you are afraid of Gun Free Zones like I am. And take a second step ... tell them why.

15 posted on 04/01/2009 6:21:58 AM PDT by DHC-2
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To: Liberty Ship
Liberals are evil.

I used to think that they were either Insanely Stupid or Evil.

Recent evidence is starting to really support the Evil hypothesis.

16 posted on 04/01/2009 7:11:43 AM PDT by GYL2 (Always mystify, mislead and surprise the enemy Thomas J. (Stonewall) Jackson)
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To: DHC-2

I ignore those signs.....The only legal recourse the store owner has is to ask you to leave.

That stated, I also would not patronize that business and let the owner know why as well.

Great job! Goodyear can take their stinkin’ tires back up north....


17 posted on 04/01/2009 7:41:36 AM PDT by nevergore ("It could be that the purpose of my life is simply to serve as a warning to others.")
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To: nevergore

“always carry concealed no matter where I am at, including when I’m at the GT campus.”

So the gun free zone rule don’t work for you neither. Not much point in having one other than to make theives and rapitists feel more comfortable is there.


18 posted on 04/01/2009 7:50:02 AM PDT by dblshot
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To: dblshot
So the gun free zone rule don’t work for you neither. Not much point in having one other than to make thieves and rapists feel more comfortable is there.

It makes the lib's feel like they are doing something about it. In reality, they are making matters worse. But it how they feel about it that matters, not your life or freedom. Applies to lib's at a federal level as well.

It's not about you, it's about their feelings.

19 posted on 04/01/2009 9:01:01 AM PDT by Only1choice____Freedom (FDR had the New Deal. President Obama has the Raw Deal.)
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To: marktwain

By the way, the Full Auto Ban Amendment to the 1986 “Firearms Owners Protection Act” never REALLY passed! And the BATF knows it. It was just on a voice vote, and the Nays WAY outweighed the Yeas on the Amendment’s adoption ballot! I heard it! Rep. Charles Rangel, D-NY, substituting for Tip O’Neil, just PROCLAIMED that it passed, to the GASPS of many in attendence, and the minority Repubs could not challenge him because of the parlimentary rules in effect at the time! HONEST! It is History!


20 posted on 04/01/2009 10:57:52 AM PDT by 2harddrive (...House a TOTAL Loss.....)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

The law exempts home/business owners in school zones, as well as those in transit.


21 posted on 04/01/2009 11:07:16 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (Happiness is a choice!)
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To: All
Georgia gun laws are vague at best, but the laws are slowly starting to get straightened out, over the past few years many Georgia self-defense issues have been clarified (stand your ground, home and property defense, open carry... etc.).

Next big item on the agenda is a life-time carry license, and reforming the "public gathering" clause.

For those of you in Ga, join Georgia Carry (http://georgiacarry.org/) it has been growing like crazy and is making an impact on both Legislators and Legislation.

22 posted on 04/01/2009 11:40:28 AM PDT by AvOrdVet ("Put the wagons in a circle for all the good it'll do")
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To: DBrow
Seriously, what do you do if your dwelling is within a thousand feet?

Sounds like if you're a 5'10" criminal with a silver semi-auto, you starts rakin' in the dough from the local rubes! If you're not a criminal put your house up for sale...lotsa criminals looking for cheap homes, too!

23 posted on 04/01/2009 2:32:37 PM PDT by CRBDeuce (here, while the internet is still free of the Fairness Doctrine)
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To: CRBDeuce; DBrow
From the Georgia Carry FAQ:

Q: May I carry at school?

A: No! Georgia law provides that possessing a weapon within 1,000 feet of a school is a felony, punishable by up to ten years in prison. There are numerous exceptions, however, and the most relevant are: A person with a firearms license may carry a firearm while dropping off or picking up a student. Off of the actual school property, a non-student may possess a firearm while in a vehicle in transit through the school zone, and any person residing in a school zone or conducting lawful business in a school zone (not on school property) may possess a firearm. In addition, teachers and other school personnel may keep a firearm locked in a locking compartment of a motor vehicle while parked on campus.

A school in Georgia includes public and private schools, colleges, and technical schools.

24 posted on 04/01/2009 3:11:20 PM PDT by EdReform (The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed *NRA*JPFO*SAF*GOA*SAS*CCRKBA)
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To: marktwain
Atlanta's LEGALLY OWNED gun free zones worked real well... it's that friggin ILLEGAL GUN free zones they are having trouble with.
25 posted on 04/01/2009 3:20:27 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - Obama is basically Jim Jones with a teleprompter)
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