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The Myth of 90 Percent: Only a Small Fraction of Guns in Mexico Come From U.S
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2009/04/02/myth-percent-guns-mexico-fraction-number-claimed/ ^ | April 2, 2009

Posted on 04/02/2009 8:37:27 AM PDT by HD1200

While 90 percent of the guns traced to the U.S. actually originated in the United States, the percent traced to the U.S. is only about 17 percent of the total number of guns reaching Mexico

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: Mexico; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: banglist; bhobanglist; bhomexico; medialies; mexicoguns; mythof90percent; obama
Great article pointing out how wrong Obama, Clinton, etc are. The article points out that out of the 10's of thousands of guns confiscated in Mexico, only a small part actually origined from the United States.
1 posted on 04/02/2009 8:37:27 AM PDT by HD1200
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To: HD1200

Shameful politicians that have to rely solely on manufactured crisis in order to survive.


2 posted on 04/02/2009 8:39:38 AM PDT by Eye of Unk ("If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace." T. Paine)
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To: HD1200

There’s good news and bad news here. The good news is that everyone knows that the Mexican cartels are getting fully automatic rifles from their own suppliers throughout the world. Now for the bad news, our press and politicians don’t care - they want gun control.

Why do I feel so gloomy today?


3 posted on 04/02/2009 8:40:11 AM PDT by Professor_Leonide (I said to the young man who showed me a photo, "Who can ever be sure what is behind a mask?")
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To: HD1200

I caught part of a report on FOX this morning and it sounded like that correspondent was coming up with even lower numbers.


4 posted on 04/02/2009 8:45:44 AM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: HD1200

Hitlary says so and Feinstein parrots her. The press trips all over themselves to repeat it ad-nauseum so that the sheeple eventually succumb to it as “truth”.

Democraps never change, they just shuffle the deck chairs.


5 posted on 04/02/2009 8:47:29 AM PDT by paulcissa (The first requirement of Liberalism is to stand on your head and tell the world they're upside down)
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To: Eye of Unk

What amazes me is that Americans are being blamed for what is going on in Mexico. It may be that some are sending weapons into Mexico.....but it is the cartels that are the problem....not the weapons.


6 posted on 04/02/2009 8:48:06 AM PDT by RC2
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To: HD1200

I don’t give a sh!t if 100% of the guns n Mexico were coming from the USA. Mexico’s crime problem is caused by Mexican criminals operating in country where wealth and privilege has always been linked to and supported by the government. In short a corrupt third world banana republic kind of like Washington DC, Chicago, Atlanta, etc. (Last time I was in Mexico, a cop wanted a bribe for being present in a parking lot we paid to park in.) Even the rhetoric is the same. Washington DC blames its astronomical violent crime rate on guns in Virginia (which has about 1/10th the crime rate of DC) now Mexico and the aholes in the media are blaming our freedom for crime in Mexico. Sorry bedwetters. My freedom isn’t causing Mexico’s crime.


7 posted on 04/02/2009 8:48:21 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: from occupied ga

Secure the border and it ceases to be a problem.


8 posted on 04/02/2009 8:49:49 AM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: HD1200

critical reference self ping


9 posted on 04/02/2009 8:50:00 AM PDT by Para-Ord.45
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To: cripplecreek

We saw the report which was, I believe, by William LaJeunesse, and it was excellent, a true example how Fox often gets at the truth while the MSM are urinalists. What the Fox reporter did was to go to the Mexico AG’s office and actually look at the weapons seized and their data on them. This, one would think, would have been an easy enough thing to do with a very modest amount of effort by any urinalist of the MSM. That not one of them took the time and effort to get at the truth in the face of the repeated false and misleading assertion shows just how little interest they have in the truth and how willing they are to embrace falsehood if it suits their political agenda.


10 posted on 04/02/2009 8:55:05 AM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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To: HD1200

Bill Clinton use to talk about the thousands of children in this country that are killed by guns. I don’t remember the number he quoted, but the only way you could make it work using the FBI statistics was to include everyone under the age of 25 killed by firearms, whether it was accidental or some thug being shot by a cop. It’s not ignorance - it’s deception.


11 posted on 04/02/2009 8:55:39 AM PDT by mbynack (Retired USAF SMSgt)
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To: HD1200

Are these the same brilliant mathematicians that said 90% of Americans would be getting a tax cut? I trust their math like I would trust Timmy Geitner to do my taxes! LOL


12 posted on 04/02/2009 8:55:41 AM PDT by jakerobins
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To: HD1200
From the source...

The deadliest of the weapons now in the hands of criminal groups in Mexico, particularly along the U.S. border, by any reasonable standard of an analysis of the facts, appear to be getting into that nation through perfectly legal private-sector arms exports, measured in the billions of dollars, and sanctioned by our own State Department. These deadly trade commodities — grenade launchers, explosives and “assault” weapons —are then, in quantities that can fill warehouses, being corruptly transferred to drug trafficking organizations via their reach into the Mexican military and law enforcement agencies, the evidence indicates.

According to an analysis of the DCS reports, some $1 billion in defense hardware was approved for export to Mexico via private U.S. companies between fiscal year 2004 and fiscal year 2007 — the most recent year for which data was available. Overall, during the same period, a total of some $3.7 billion in weapons and other military hardware was approved for export under the DCS program to all of Latin America and the Caribbean.

Following is a sample of the types of arms shipments approved for export to Mexico through the DCS program during fiscal years 2006 and 2007 alone:

• $3.3 million worth of ammunition and explosives, including ammunition-manufacturing equipment;
• 13,000 nonautomatic and semiautomatic firearms, pistols and revolvers at a total value of $11.6 million;
• 42 grenade launchers valued at $518,531;
• 3,578 explosive projectiles, including grenades, valued at $78,251;
• Various night-vision equipment valued at $963,201.


[Clarification: The figures above are taken from the actual DCS reports, which list the “quantity” and total dollar “value” of various defense articles approved for export. It is possible that the quantity figure listed, in some cases, such as the grenade launchers, represents a unit (or group) composed of more than one weapon.]

http://narcosphere.narconews.com/notebook/bill-conroy/2009/03/legal-us-arms-exports-may-be-source-narco-syndicates-rising-firepower

http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/mexico_dynamics_gun_trade

http://narcosphere.narconews.com/userfiles/70/**State.Dept.FY2006.DCS.document.pdf

http://narcosphere.narconews.com/userfiles/70/**State_Dept_rpt655_FY07.pdf>

And now we watch Øbama and the DC Freak Show push this off on private American Citizens?

13 posted on 04/02/2009 9:03:01 AM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: from occupied ga

14 posted on 04/02/2009 9:07:09 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: cripplecreek

those guns would just get up and run like they just get up and kill people.


15 posted on 04/02/2009 9:07:51 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (ACORN:American Corruption for Obama Right Now)
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To: blackie
slaves don't

Free people own the fruits of their labor and slaves don't. When 33% (federal income tax) plus (7.29% SS & medicare) plus 6% (state income) plus 6% (state sales) = 52.29% of the fruits of your labor are taken by force and "redistributed" (redistributed is a funny way of putting it; it wasn't distributed in the first place it was EARNED) to a bunch a lazy mouthy parasites, then you are not free, you ARE a slave. They just don't want you to rise up and do something about it.

16 posted on 04/02/2009 9:36:20 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: cripplecreek
Secure the border and it ceases to be a problem.

wrong. It ISN'T A "PROBLEM" for the USA in the first place. It's a new set of powerful crooks trying to displace a previous set of powerful crooks in a third world corrupt oligarchy.

17 posted on 04/02/2009 9:39:58 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: HD1200

Here is the e-mail I sent FoxNews on this issue on March 26th :

“You recently stated in around 2:25 P.M. that 90% of the weapons used by the cartels come from the U.S. sending them south. Where are you getting this ‘fact’ from? Most of the weapons used by the cartels either come from outside the U.S. or are stolen from the Mexican military or corrupt police. I wish Fox would pay more attention to the detail on this instead of blurting out talking points from the Sec. of State and A.G. office who are trying to propagate this fiction as a rationale to re-impose the assault rifle ban. Do your homework.”


18 posted on 04/02/2009 9:48:21 AM PDT by thethirddegree
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To: from occupied ga

You have it figured out!

Be Ever Vigilant!


19 posted on 04/02/2009 10:33:00 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: HD1200

Surprise, surprise.


20 posted on 04/02/2009 10:38:08 AM PDT by batter (Wolverines!)
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To: HD1200

I just saw the video on FOX news.

Did anyone see those evil auto rifles that were confiscated?

I saw an evil .22 rimfire Remmington Nylon 66 and an evil Winchester 74 .22 rimfire, both with tube magazines in the buttstock, just the type of firepower the average peon might have to protect his sheep and goats form preditors.


21 posted on 04/02/2009 12:08:02 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (14. Guns only have two enemies: rust and politicians.)
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To: HD1200
But a large percentage of the guns recovered in Mexico do not get sent back to the U.S. for tracing, because it is obvious from their markings that they do not come from the U.S.

That's a Big NSS

Do the Demo-fascisti have anything else besides the BIG LIE to further their agenda?

22 posted on 04/02/2009 12:21:40 PM PDT by HammerT (Buy them before they BAN them!!!!!!)
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To: HD1200
Great article pointing out how wrong Obama, Clinton, etc are.

With all due respect, they aren't "wrong". They are twisting statistics for political gain. Know and state the difference.

One can be honestly wrong or mistaken.

On the other hand, once the truth is made known, twisting statistics is dishonest.

23 posted on 04/02/2009 12:37:21 PM PDT by mountainbunny ((Hey, Kids! It's the new Mitt Romney! Now with fun-to-style action hair! Collect the whole set!)
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To: All
One thing I've been doing since this "gun running" story started, is sending updated revelations that undercut the story to family and friends, urging them to pass it along and also to contact their reps...

Everyone here needs to do this... The charade is already starting to backfire, we just have to intensify the scrutiny and pressure!

Join the GOA, NRA and your State/Local Gun Rights Group if you haven't already. Get in the fight before the fight comes to you!

24 posted on 04/02/2009 12:54:18 PM PDT by AvOrdVet ("Put the wagons in a circle for all the good it'll do")
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To: HD1200
Another good article about the lie.

The Cockroach and the Lightswitch: A Spotlight on the Gunshow-Loophole-Mexican-Narco-Nexus Lie

25 posted on 04/02/2009 5:18:20 PM PDT by TigersEye (Cloward-Piven Strategy)
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To: HD1200

The 90% figure is clearly a spin on the number that were successfully traced, using semantics to get a propaganda boost to lay the groundwork for future gun-control efforts.
But the 17% is a semantic manipulation, too.

In the article, 29,000 were seized in Mexico, 11,000 submitted to U.S. ATF for tracing, 6,000 successfully traced, 5,000 traced to U.S. sources.

So let’s infer that of the 29,000 seized, 18,000 were traced to non-U.S. sources by Mexican authorities, therefore no need to submit those to the ATF.

Just because only 6,000 out of 11,000 were successfully traced, doesn’t meant the untraceable 5,000 were NOT from the U.S., just that there was no way to tell.

So, if the numbers were to hold true (83.3% of traceable firearms linked to U.S. sources), then out of 11,000 firearms, about 9200 would be from the U.S.

That comes out to around 32% of the 29,000 firearms seized by the Mexican authorities oritinated from the U.S.

Way less than the 90% gun-control prone liberals want to claim, but nearly double what the 2nd Amendment supporters want to claim.

But my question is, why does Clinton say a U.S. demand for drugs make it the U.S.’s fault Mexico has problems with gangs dealing in illegal substances, but a Mexican demand for guns is the U.S.’s fault as well, and grounds for diminishing a Constitutional right?

In the near future, I believe we will increasingly see, “international cooperation” given as grounds for further erosion of our Constitutional rights and surrender of U.S. sovereignty.


26 posted on 04/07/2009 2:38:15 AM PDT by Quiller (When you're fighting to survive, there is no "try" -- there is only do, or do not.)
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