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Early Large Galaxies Stun Cosmologists
CEH ^ | April 2, 2009

Posted on 04/03/2009 8:32:37 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts

Early Large Galaxies Stun Cosmologists

April 02, 2009 — Cosmology has a kind of Cambrian Explosion of its own to grapple with.  Contrary to expectations, some of the earliest galaxies appear as large as current ones, if not larger.  Astronomers, using the Subaru telescope in Hawaii, examined five galaxy clusters with ages estimated at 5 billion years after the Big Bang.  Statements in a report on this study in

Nature News make it sound revolutionary:

Continuing the Cambrian explosion parallel, both the hierarchical model and newer, more radical model have to come up with a lot of growth and structure in a shorter amount of time.  The simple hierarchical model, which expected stars would grow into galaxies and then into clusters, ran into problems early on, when it was realized that when cool hydrogen flows toward a nascent galactic center, it heats up.  The heat quenches or stops further star formation, because “Shock waves

are produced that expand outwards to agitate and heat up new gas on the periphery, preventing it from collapsing and falling in to form new stars.
    That was the reason astronomers had for years used mergers to explain the growth of galaxies.  If large galaxies already existed in the early universe, though, mergers become implausible.  What is the alternative?  One group suggests “veins of cold gas, clinging to filaments of dark matter” that can

“pierce the hot gas shell of a growing galaxy and fuel its continued growth” and lead to early galaxies growing “rapaciously”.  It sounds like an ad hoc solution.  It was proposed to get around the age problem.  Is there any evidence?  No one has seen dark matter, or knows what it is.  The story ended with a hunt to explain “glowing blobs of hydrogen gas in distant, ancient corners of the Universe”

that might correspond with the proposed filaments.  All parties agree that “more work needs to be done.”

We can see here the kind of mental gymnastics Darwinists would perform if someone found a Precambrian rabbit.  The surprise level seems almost comparable.  It never changes their core beliefs; it just changes the implausibility of the natural miracles they are willing to invoke to maintain their world view.  For background, read an article in this month’s ICR magazine.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: cosmology; creation; evolution; idjunkscience; intelligentdesign

1 posted on 04/03/2009 8:32:37 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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2 posted on 04/03/2009 8:33:12 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: metmom; DaveLoneRanger; editor-surveyor; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; MrB; GourmetDan; Fichori; ...

Ping!


3 posted on 04/03/2009 8:33:52 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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The ancient galaxies should have been much smaller, at only a fifth of today’s mass, based on galaxy-formation models that predict slow, protracted growth.

Go figure. The cosmologists should consult with climatologists to be reassured that the computer models are correct and reality is wrong.

4 posted on 04/03/2009 8:36:06 AM PDT by randog (Tap into America!)
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To: GodGunsGuts

This only says there is more to learn.

That’s a good thing. We won’t be bored by all the answers at this moment.


5 posted on 04/03/2009 8:38:09 AM PDT by Glenn (Free Venezuela!)
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To: GodGunsGuts

“...based on galaxy-formation models...”

Galaxy models are just as accurate as climate models?


6 posted on 04/03/2009 8:40:03 AM PDT by pappyone (New to Freep, still working a tag line.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Yes, Galaxies used to be huge..............

7 posted on 04/03/2009 8:42:43 AM PDT by Red Badger (If Keynesian economics worked, Zimbabwe would be a superpower.......................)
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To: Glenn
This only says there is more to learn.

No real danger of that happening within this crowd.
8 posted on 04/03/2009 8:45:09 AM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Maybe the problem lies with Red Shift and inflation theories, rather than the size of galaxies.


9 posted on 04/03/2009 8:45:16 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: Red Badger

Is that a Toxic Waste spill near the right front wheel?


10 posted on 04/03/2009 8:48:08 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: Red Badger

LOL-that’s the only reason I opened this thread, as I knew someone would post a Galaxie pic.


11 posted on 04/03/2009 8:49:30 AM PDT by Carl LaFong (Experts say experts should be ignored.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Thanks for the ping!


12 posted on 04/03/2009 8:50:04 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: editor-surveyor

I suspect a Chevy owner was nearby..............

13 posted on 04/03/2009 8:50:36 AM PDT by Red Badger (If Keynesian economics worked, Zimbabwe would be a superpower.......................)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Does this assist a creationism theory argument? Seems to, esp. with the scientists in an uproar about their galaxy formation theories being blown apart, in a big bang of discovery if I may say so.


14 posted on 04/03/2009 8:53:17 AM PDT by BlueStateBlues (Blue State for business, Red State at heart.........2012--can't come soon enough.)
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house of cards continues to wobble....as the ‘scientists’ rush over to with glue, staple guns, paper mache’, tape, etc....(nothing to see here folks, move along, move along)


15 posted on 04/03/2009 8:56:07 AM PDT by raygunfan
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To: Red Badger

And,,, they looked at the galaxies “using the Subaru telescope in Hawaii!” Subarus make Galaxies look huge!


16 posted on 04/03/2009 9:00:35 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Red Badger

Yup, That’s a Ford Galaxy. I could tell by the oil leak!


17 posted on 04/03/2009 9:03:31 AM PDT by TaMoDee
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To: GodGunsGuts

Why are you quoting real scientists again? How does this new observation support the supernatural creation of anything?


18 posted on 04/03/2009 9:05:45 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

All parties agree that “more work needs to be done.” Which is to add a few more trillion years for it to happen!


19 posted on 04/03/2009 9:06:10 AM PDT by usslsm51
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To: GodGunsGuts
Early Large Galaxies Stun Cosmologists

Creationism predicted this would happen.

20 posted on 04/03/2009 9:09:35 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Nothing special here. This is how science is supposed to work.

Also note that evidence against the current theory of galactic development is not necessarily evidence for special creation or intelligent design. That'd be silly.

One last thing: why is this article tagged "evolution", when it has nothing to do with the ToE?
21 posted on 04/03/2009 9:13:29 AM PDT by Boxen (There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, to mark appointed times, days, and years, and to serve as lights in the expanse of the sky to shine on the earth.” And so it was.(Genesis 1:14,15)


22 posted on 04/03/2009 9:19:02 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: cripplecreek

Truer words were never spoken (or keyed, around here).


23 posted on 04/03/2009 9:19:57 AM PDT by stormer
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To: GodGunsGuts

Things change all the time as technology advances.

“New class of galaxy cluster discovered
Galaxy Zoo project reveals previously unseen galaxy formations
Wednesday, April 01, 2009
The folks at the Galaxy Zoo project have been doing sterling work for some time now. Their self-imposed task is to stare at the numerous galaxies that appear in various deep sky surveys while trying to classify them.

Today, the project has paid off in silver dollars as the team announce the discovery of an entirely new type of galaxy cluster.

Although the entire Galaxy Zoo team has been involved, much of the credit must go to Marven Pedbost and Trillean Pomalgu at the University of Brentwood in the UK, who are destined to become legends in their own lunch times.

Take a look at the images in the paper below. They are truly spectacular.

Keep up the good work lads.

Ref: arxiv.org/abs/0903.5377: Galaxy Zoo: An Unusual New Class of Galaxy Cluster”


24 posted on 04/03/2009 9:23:58 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Hurray! More strawmen! comics!

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25 posted on 04/03/2009 9:29:23 AM PDT by Boxen (There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Galaxy formation is a hot topic right now.

Good post.


26 posted on 04/03/2009 9:34:13 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: cripplecreek

Yep, if some here had their way, Copernicus would have been burned at the stake for saying the known solar system DIDN’T revolve around the earth.


27 posted on 04/03/2009 10:19:25 AM PDT by Pistolshot (The Soap-box, The Ballot-box, The Jury-box, And The Cartridge-Box ...we are past 2 of them.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

The article lacks bold letters.


28 posted on 04/03/2009 10:55:38 AM PDT by JoJo Gunn (In this dance of Life, I have two left feet.)
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