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Massacre kills 12 at immigration center in NY
Breitbart ^ | 4/3/09 | William Kates

Posted on 04/03/2009 1:17:14 PM PDT by NYC Republican

A gunman opened fire at an immigration services center in downtown Binghamton on Friday, killing as many as 13 people before authorities found him dead, officials said. Gov. David Paterson said at a news conference that 12 or 13 people had been killed.

A law enforcement official said the body of the man believed to be the gunman was found in an office of the American Civic Association building. The official was not authorized to speak publicly about the details of an ongoing hostage situation and was talking on condition of anonymity.

The gunman barricaded the rear door of the building with his car before entering through the front door, firing his weapon, the official said.

It wasn't clear whether the gunman was included in the number of dead provided by the governor.

The Binghamton Press & Sun Bulletin reported that citizenship classes had been scheduled Friday at the center.

The Binghamton SWAT team responded, and the FBI was sending hostage negotiators and an evidence response team to the scene. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives was also sending agents to Binghamton

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: banglist; binghamton; massshooting
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1 posted on 04/03/2009 1:17:14 PM PDT by NYC Republican
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To: NYC Republican

Great

Another incident they’ll use to further their agenda.


2 posted on 04/03/2009 1:21:52 PM PDT by wastedyears (April 21st, 2009 - International Iron Maiden Day)
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To: NYC Republican

Yet another active shooter in a gun free zone.

Yet another case of SWAT assembling outside and waiting for reinforcements while the shooter does his thing.

When will they learn?


3 posted on 04/03/2009 1:21:59 PM PDT by InABunkerUnderSF (Be There >>> http://www.secondamendmentmarch.com)
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To: wastedyears

Yea, all these restrictive laws and gun free zones really enhance safety in the workplace. /sarc?
And the shooters Name?


4 posted on 04/03/2009 1:23:43 PM PDT by Steamburg ( Your wallet speaks the only language most politicians understand.)
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To: InABunkerUnderSF

Obama voter.


5 posted on 04/03/2009 1:23:59 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: InABunkerUnderSF
"Yet another case of SWAT assembling outside and waiting for reinforcements while the shooter does his thing."

It seems that they will only kick in the door and shoot you and your dog if they believe that you are not a threat to them. The exception, of course, is the recent Oakland shooting where the SWAT team stormed an apartment with (I believe) the intent of executing a cop killer.

6 posted on 04/03/2009 1:24:44 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: Steamburg
And the shooters Name?

Jivery Voong (No shit!!)

7 posted on 04/03/2009 1:25:29 PM PDT by libstripper
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To: InABunkerUnderSF

SWAT will be willing to intercede when it becomes PC to do so. Right now, you have to check the political standing of the shooter before making that decision. Remember, they are part of the government, not citizens acting in your best interest.


8 posted on 04/03/2009 1:26:07 PM PDT by Steamburg ( Your wallet speaks the only language most politicians understand.)
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To: NYC Republican
The story is sad. My question is why is the government loading upstate New York with all these immigrants. The city I live near in New York now has 1 out of 10 being muslim and they are starting to push their weight around. Why would we want all these muslims here? I don't understand it.
9 posted on 04/03/2009 1:26:12 PM PDT by GinaLolaB (=^..^=)
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To: InABunkerUnderSF

SWATs roll is to protect the police. Everyone should remember that. If anyone is ever in my kids school, the cops will have to shoot me in the back, because I’m going in the moment I arrive.


10 posted on 04/03/2009 1:28:04 PM PDT by SampleMan (Socialism and Liberty are mutually exclusive.)
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To: InABunkerUnderSF
Yet another case of SWAT assembling outside and waiting for reinforcements while the shooter does his thing. When will they learn?

The truth is that not every security officer will value your life as much as he does his own. Columbine wasn't the first instance of cops standing by while a massacre was being carried out, and it sure as heck won't be the last. This is why it's better for people to protect themselves with firearms rather than rely 100% on the cops to do so. Because when your instinct for self-preservation will always be stronger than a cop's instinct to rush into the unknown at the risk of his own life.

11 posted on 04/03/2009 1:28:15 PM PDT by Zhang Fei
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To: NYC Republican

Don’t tell me another gun went on a rampage! And then the gun executed the person who was transporting the gun from place to place. When are ever going to get rid of these evil guns. Not all guns mind you, just the evil ones. You know, the ones owned by conservatives.


12 posted on 04/03/2009 1:28:25 PM PDT by dirtymac (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country. Really! It's time; NOW)
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To: NYC Republican

NY1 in NYC reported that a Vietnamese interpreter had been called to the scene. What the shooter an American citizen? An illegal?


13 posted on 04/03/2009 1:29:59 PM PDT by Ge0ffrey
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To: GinaLolaB
"Why would we want all these muslims here? I don't understand it."

The liberals don't want to fight them, "over there."

14 posted on 04/03/2009 1:30:23 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Zhang Fei

Exactly


15 posted on 04/03/2009 1:30:24 PM PDT by NYC Republican (This Too Shall Pass- in 8 years.. how much destruction will they create?)
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To: NYC Republican

16 posted on 04/03/2009 1:31:29 PM PDT by C210N (The television has mounted the most serious assault on Republicanism since Das Kapital.)
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To: NYC Republican

I may be wrong, but it seems like alot more of these incidents happen under RAT Presidents.


17 posted on 04/03/2009 1:31:59 PM PDT by Hacklehead (Liberalism is the art of taking what works, breaking it, and then blaming conservatives.)
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To: NYC Republican

I keep waiting for the “Assault Rifle” thing to pop up.


18 posted on 04/03/2009 1:33:11 PM PDT by Big_Harry ( Thank God I am an "Infidel"!)
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To: InABunkerUnderSF
WTF do we spend all this money on SWAT teams? For the homo-erotic haircuts and the fancy toys?

Then they sit outside while people get slaughtered.

Thanks SWAT. You guys are real heroes.

19 posted on 04/03/2009 1:34:39 PM PDT by starlifter (Sapor Amo Pullus)
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To: Ge0ffrey

Fox: Voong had just been layed off by IBM.


20 posted on 04/03/2009 1:36:27 PM PDT by jonrick46 (The Obama Administration is a blueprint for Fabian Socialism.)
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To: Natural Law

And had the SF police pursued that cop killer will exactly the same resources and fervor with which they would pursue the murder of say Joe Blow, there would be two more swat officers still alive today.


21 posted on 04/03/2009 1:36:52 PM PDT by Diplomat
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To: Big_Harry

give it till abcnbcseebs nightly news tonight


22 posted on 04/03/2009 1:37:39 PM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (ACORN:American Corruption for Obama Right Now)
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To: Big_Harry

I read it was a 9mm. Of course, it doesn’t really matter, as whatever type of gun he used will be classified as an “assault weapon”.


23 posted on 04/03/2009 1:37:41 PM PDT by Above My Pay Grade
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To: starlifter

I keep waiting for the “Assault Rifle” thing to pop up.”

“I think “high-powered” means deer rifle to them. Maybe a .270 or .30-06 bolt action. If they could pin it on an evil assault rifle, I am sure they would.


24 posted on 04/03/2009 1:37:54 PM PDT by Tex Pete (Obama for Change: from our pockets, our piggy banks, and our couch cushions!)
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To: NYC Republican

I know this was a gun free zone but do we really want those inside to be armed?

Liberals, Gov’t workers, social workers, illegals.

I don’t think guns in this case in that building would have helped.


25 posted on 04/03/2009 1:40:22 PM PDT by George from New England (escaped CT 2006; now living north of Tampa Bay)
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To: NYC Republican

Is this a hoax? Why didn’t anyone SHOOT BACK?


27 posted on 04/03/2009 1:46:18 PM PDT by 2harddrive (...House a TOTAL Loss.....)
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To: wastedyears
How fortuitous for zero to get this attention eater, moving the news away from his bowing to the Arab king.

How very conveeeeenient.

And yes, I DO have my tin foil hat on.

28 posted on 04/03/2009 1:47:05 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: SonOfPyrodex
Unfortunately no one will hold these fools to account.

Seems like anything more dangerous than a drooling lab gives these guys the shakes.

29 posted on 04/03/2009 1:47:10 PM PDT by starlifter (Sapor Amo Pullus)
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To: SampleMan
If anyone is ever in my kids school, the cops will have to shoot me in the back, because I’m going in the moment I arrive.

Statistics show that that is the best way to save lives. The minute most active shooters are confronted with armed force most of them commit suicide.

30 posted on 04/03/2009 1:47:53 PM PDT by InABunkerUnderSF (Be There >>> http://www.secondamendmentmarch.com)
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To: jonrick46
Press disappointment is palpable.

They were really hoping for a tubby white racist.

31 posted on 04/03/2009 1:49:16 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: SampleMan
"SWATs roll is to protect the police. Everyone should remember that."

Well, I for one never consideredf that, yet .. I think you're right.

Now THAT puts a little extra logistics to any modern day Lexington Green.

32 posted on 04/03/2009 1:50:33 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: skeeter

FoxNews (Cavuto) just reported that the gunman was a laid-off IBM employee.


33 posted on 04/03/2009 1:51:24 PM PDT by NRG1973
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To: Zhang Fei
This is why it's better for people to protect themselves with firearms rather than rely 100% on the cops to do so.

I couldn't agree more.

34 posted on 04/03/2009 1:51:50 PM PDT by InABunkerUnderSF (Be There >>> http://www.secondamendmentmarch.com)
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To: Steamburg

Jiverly Voong, 41, also known as Linh Phat Voong, of Johnson City, N.Y.


35 posted on 04/03/2009 1:51:56 PM PDT by maggief
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To: George from New England
"I don’t think guns in this case in that building would have helped."

I briefly listened to Neil Cavuto a few minutes ago, and thought I heard him say that the perp was able to gain entrance by unlocking the back door. Did anyone else hear that?

36 posted on 04/03/2009 1:54:39 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: NRG1973

But why go after immigrants?


37 posted on 04/03/2009 1:55:22 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: skeeter
Maybe Voong's job was outsourced to another country (aka India).

Just a guess.

38 posted on 04/03/2009 1:56:40 PM PDT by LdSentinal
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To: Joe 6-pack

As I said, I do not know why the government is bringing in so many third world immigrants especially muslims. There are no (ZERO) jobs here in upstate New York. There never has been any. All of these “immigrants” are on WELFARE or they are in jobs subsidized by the government thereby doing Americans out of the jobs. There are thousands of muslims now in Utica and they are starting to build mosques all over the place. It is very upsetting and frightening to me.


39 posted on 04/03/2009 1:57:28 PM PDT by GinaLolaB (=^..^=)
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To: LdSentinal

If so, then things have gone full circle.


40 posted on 04/03/2009 1:57:37 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: skeeter
"But why go after immigrants?"

Maybe he was fired from IBM because his work papers had expired or weren't in order. Or was he a citizen? I hadn't heard that he was or wasn't. I thought IBM was laying people off. I wonder if there was a problem with him being here legally and that's why he went there.

41 posted on 04/03/2009 1:59:24 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: skeeter
But why go after immigrants?

Right now there is a populist backlash growing within IBM because it is believed that IBM is getting rid of US employees and sending their jobs offshore.

This may be a case of a populist backlash actually leading to violence. Maybe this will take the starch out of some of the folks who are using populism to further their egenda...because by doing so they are creating hate.

42 posted on 04/03/2009 1:59:38 PM PDT by NRG1973
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To: GinaLolaB
Think of it as a CEO coming into a company they see as failing, clearing out the old management and bringing in their own people.

They see the US as a failure and are seeking to remake it. Unfortunately, there are dramatic consequences to this kind of social engineering, as is possibly the case here.

43 posted on 04/03/2009 2:01:03 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: NYC Republican
If one person in the building had been armed it would not have happened.
44 posted on 04/03/2009 2:01:21 PM PDT by ANGGAPO (Leyte Gulf Beach Club)
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To: NYC Republican

As I watched the live coverage of this at noon central today, the obvious solution to so many of these shooting sprees again came to mind,,,,one good decent armed citizen could have taken that killer out, just one good man or woman with a concealed carry weapon could have saved all or most of those lost innocent lives. Those poor souls were sitting ducks, as all gun toting criminalsl know, easy pickings for killers. We all know the solution, yet the governments of most states will not stop persecuting law abiding gun owners who want to be able to legally conceal carry. One good armed citizen in there, would have kept those innocent souls on earth, now they are gone. The press will vilify the gun. They should vilify the liberal gun grabbers who make only the criminals safe, and the innocent as lambs at the slaughter. Prayers for all the victim’s families and friends. What a horrible horrible crime.


45 posted on 04/03/2009 2:02:45 PM PDT by TheConservativeParty ("Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force." George Washington)
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To: NYC Republican

THIS is why I don’t get the whole terrorist business. This is ONE guy and look what he could do. We all know it is very feasible to have hundreds of these same type who have gotten in this country across southern or northern borders.

Yet we see nothing....except video of them running around in the desert playing bad guys.

Not only that...a martyr is a martyr. Infect one with something biological and let them go shopping in a big mall in a big city.

Yet we see nothing.

WHAT are they waiting for and WHO is pushing their buttons?
I just don’t get the logic of it.


46 posted on 04/03/2009 2:07:35 PM PDT by briarbey b (There is nothing new under the sun.)
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To: InABunkerUnderSF
Early reports indicate that it took the cops an hour to respond to assist the victims in ANOTHER GUN-FREE ZONE!
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BUT, ACCORDING TO DIANE FINESWINE, BABS BOXER, CHUCKY SCHUMER, ET AL – OOOOO – GUNS ARE SOOOO DANGEROUS!! In what may be a perverse form of population control, these MORONS – many of whom are themselves armed or have armed people around them -- would prefer us to have to call 911 – and DIE while the cops are en-route.

WHY THEY WANT OUR GUNS!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j73SsNFgBO4


47 posted on 04/03/2009 2:08:03 PM PDT by Dick Bachert
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According to the latest news, the suspect was a fired IBM worker. He killed people taking citizenship classes.

IBM uses H-1B visas.

Coincidence??? Or just a nut job???


48 posted on 04/03/2009 2:32:01 PM PDT by ak267
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To: skeeter
In Utica we have muslims from everywhere. Bosnia, Samalia, Iraq. We have thousands of Burmese Karins and thousands of Russians. When the Bosnians first got here (after they were on Welfare for awhile), they were given the few factory jobs that were left in Utica. The American workers were actually fired for the Bosnians because the US government subsidized the jobs for immigrants.

Recently, I was talking to a Russian immigrant woman and she was telling me that her husband was given an engineering job and was building a beautiful new home on 10 acres of land. Must be nice to have government put its arms around you.

49 posted on 04/03/2009 2:40:26 PM PDT by GinaLolaB (=^..^=)
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To: dirtymac

Post #12 LOLOL


50 posted on 04/03/2009 2:44:24 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist ("President Obama, your agenda is not new, it's not change, and it's not hope" - Rush Limbaugh 02/28)
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