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Obama Set to Lift Ban on Travel to Cuba
Wall Street Journal ^

Posted on 04/03/2009 2:40:25 PM PDT by Sub-Driver

Obama Set to Lift Ban on Travel to Cuba

By LAURA MECKLER

WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama plans to lift a longstanding U.S. ban on family travel and remittances to Cuba, a senior administration official said Friday, in what could be an opening gesture toward more openness with the Castro regime.

The move will fulfill a campaign promise and follows more modest action in Congress this year to loosen travel rules.

The president has authority to loosen these rules on his own, and the move is likely meant as a signal of a new attitude toward both Cuba and other Latin American countries that have pressed the U.S. to alter its policy.

The president does not intend to call for lifting of the trade embargo against Cuba, which would require congressional action, nor is any specific diplomatic outreach contemplated, the official said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

(Excerpt) Read more at online.wsj.com ...


TOPICS: Cuba; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: agenda; bho44; bhocuba; castro; commievote; dictators; first100days
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Jimmy Carter II
1 posted on 04/03/2009 2:40:25 PM PDT by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver

Do we have any canals left to give away too!


2 posted on 04/03/2009 2:41:53 PM PDT by avacado
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To: Sub-Driver

This is a good idea. The travel ban on Cuba is absurd.


3 posted on 04/03/2009 2:43:13 PM PDT by Boiling Pots (The Politicians think we're all stupid, and they're largely correct.)
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To: Boiling Pots

I’m just wondering which lucky American will be the first held for ransom in Cuba.


4 posted on 04/03/2009 2:44:37 PM PDT by Carling ("We've lost two people in my family because you dickheads won't cut trees down," - Warwick Spooner)
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To: Sub-Driver

A new JFK, eh?

Wonder how all those Cubans in Florida will feel about this?


5 posted on 04/03/2009 2:45:05 PM PDT by autumnraine (Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose- Kris Kristoferrson VIVA LA REVOLUTION!)
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To: Boiling Pots

Yeah, I kinda agree, but I don’t like supporting a communist state either.


6 posted on 04/03/2009 2:45:30 PM PDT by autumnraine (Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose- Kris Kristoferrson VIVA LA REVOLUTION!)
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To: Sub-Driver

I have to say that I don’t see how it is that we can:

Travel to Iran.
Travel to Syria
Travel to North Korea

but Cuba is right out.

I don’t know if lifting the ban makes sense or not, but a little consistency would be a welcome thing.


7 posted on 04/03/2009 2:45:38 PM PDT by mountainbunny ((Hey, Kids! It's the new Mitt Romney! Now with fun-to-style action hair! Collect the whole set!)
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To: Sub-Driver
What ban?

If you live in the North: You fly to Toronto, fly directly to Havana, stick $10 (US) in your passport for them not to stamp it and you have no problems.

OR

If you live in the South: Fly to Cancun, they have several ships going to and from Havana every day. Again $10 in the passport is required.

8 posted on 04/03/2009 2:46:25 PM PDT by Mikey_1962 (Obama: The Affirmative Action President)
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To: autumnraine
Yeah, I kinda agree, but I don’t like supporting a communist state either.

Does China ring a bell?
9 posted on 04/03/2009 2:47:11 PM PDT by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: Sub-Driver

Obama endorses Cuba as a vacation Mecca!


10 posted on 04/03/2009 2:47:41 PM PDT by 2harddrive (...House a TOTAL Loss.....)
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To: autumnraine

Oh, you are supportin’ one, baby, you are supporting one.


11 posted on 04/03/2009 2:48:32 PM PDT by ichabod1 (I am rolling over in my grave and I am not even dead yet (GOP Poet))
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To: Sub-Driver
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Che flag sends 'disturbing' message about Obama
Candidate attracts 'people who think mass murderers are romantic revolutionaries'

February 13, 2008
© 2008 WorldNetDaily

The Fox TV affiliate in Houston has captured images of a volunteer in a campaign office for Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama working in front of a flag featuring the image of Che Guevara, the South American revolutionary who became Fidel Castro's executioner after the communist takeover in Cuba.

And while the Obama campaign has issued a statement placing a modest distance between the campaign and its "volunteers," the issue of such an image on display in an office operating on behalf of a man hoping to be commander in chief of the world's last remaining superpower is raising alarms.

Even Obama supporters have been forced into corners because of the issue, with one likening the Texas state Republican Party to Guevara, to whom have been attributed hundreds of executions of anti-Castro leaders.

Under the heading "Barack Guevara," Investor's Business Daily raised some of the more pointed questions, to which the campaign responded only with a statement: "The office featured in this video is funded by volunteers of the Barack Obama Campaign and is not an official headquarters for his campaign. ..."

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56293

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12 posted on 04/03/2009 2:48:32 PM PDT by ETL (ALL the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Sub-Driver

The Cuban embargo hasn’t overthrown the Cuban government despite being almost fifty years old. I suspect that it might be time to try something new. Let’s end the embargo and give our neighbors a taste of the riches of capitalism. In short order, then, I suspect we’ll be hearing “Adios, Fidel! Adios, Ramon!”


13 posted on 04/03/2009 2:48:54 PM PDT by bagman
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To: Sub-Driver
Jimmy Carter II

Where have you been Sub?

Under the ice caps since before the start of the campaigns for TOTUS '08?

14 posted on 04/03/2009 2:50:26 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, Question everyone else)
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To: Boiling Pots

I see where you’re coming from. In some respects, the travel ban is a little dated.

I think if the Cuban people start seeing American tourists wandering around, they’re gonna start saying “Hey, why the hell can’t we have what they have?!”

Obviously, there are many Cubans who know that life is better across the Straitsof Florida. That’s why so many have tried that dangerous crossing. But it may be different now that the Cuban people will start being exposed to American money and goods.

Of course, there’s always the definite possibility that Castro (or his sucessor) will try to keep the majority of Cubans from seeing how well we have it. US tourists may be restricted to Cancun-style resorts where there’s no intereaction with real Cuban people. The Cuban govt makes all the money and their people end up - as usual - with nothing.


15 posted on 04/03/2009 2:50:26 PM PDT by MplsSteve
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To: 2harddrive
Obama endorses Cuba as a vacation Mecca!

Free tickets funded by the government.

16 posted on 04/03/2009 2:51:53 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, Question everyone else)
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To: Sub-Driver

Reds helping Reds.


17 posted on 04/03/2009 2:52:19 PM PDT by popdonnelly (The greatest crimes in history have been perpetrated by governments. You've been warned.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Good, it was a farce anyway. Every hollywood actor that wished to flew down and hobnobbed with Castro, lifting the ban means nothing.


18 posted on 04/03/2009 2:52:23 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Annihilation - The result of underestimating your enemies. NRA)
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To: Sub-Driver; All
Russian nuclear bombers in Cuba?
July 23, 2008

The media has been abuzz today at the prospect of Russian nuclear bombers being stationed in Cuba if the US goes ahead with plans for missile defense bases in Eastern Europe.

The story has riled the US enough that a US general has been wheeled out to tell the world’s press that any Russian attempt to build another nuclear base in Cuba would cross US “red line”.

The story broke earlier this week, when Russian newspaper Izvestia quoted an un-named source from within the Russian military. He told the Russian daily:

“While they are deploying the missile shield in Poland and the Czech Republic, our strategic bombers will already be landing in Cuba.”

The quote hasn’t been independently confirmed, but the Russian Defense Ministry added fuel to the fire when they refused to comment on the story.

The prospect of Russian nuclear forces being stationed in Cuba - which is, after all, only 90 miles from the US coast - would bring back some rather unpleasant memories for the US of the Cuban Missile Crisis of 1962, where the Soviet Union under Nikita Kruschev launched an audacious and foolhardy bid to station nuclear missiles on the Caribbean island.

http://www.siberianlight.net/2008/07/23/russian-nuclear-bombers-cuba/
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Russia's Medvedev hails "comrade" Obama
Associated Foreign Press (AFP) ^ | April 2, 2009 | Anna Smolchenko

Posted on Friday, April 03, 2009 8:10:15 AM EDT by ETL:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2221410/posts

19 posted on 04/03/2009 2:52:42 PM PDT by ETL (ALL the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Sub-Driver

Gee, what a wonderful “progressive” Obama is. After all those years of Americans clamoring to go to Castro’s Cuba.

The only people who went there are Castro sympathizers.


20 posted on 04/03/2009 2:54:09 PM PDT by popdonnelly (The greatest crimes in history have been perpetrated by governments. You've been warned.)
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To: avacado

During the Cuban missile crisis, Castro was willing to see us all get nuked by the Soviet Union. That would have meant no Oliver Stone, no Stephen Spielberg, no SDS going to visit Castro down in Cuba. They would have been dead.

But Castro is a great humanitarian, doncha know.


21 posted on 04/03/2009 2:56:33 PM PDT by popdonnelly (The greatest crimes in history have been perpetrated by governments. You've been warned.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Great. More scumbags will travel to Cuba to engage in sex with underage children. People aren’t traveling to Cuba for the salsa music and cigars folks.


22 posted on 04/03/2009 3:01:15 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist ("President Obama, your agenda is not new, it's not change, and it's not hope" - Rush Limbaugh 02/28)
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To: Sub-Driver

Now we can do what the Europeans do: sex tours to Cuba. Their 12 and 13 year olds are considered particularly attractive by Germans.


23 posted on 04/03/2009 3:03:44 PM PDT by livius
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To: mountainbunny

The difference between Cuba and the other terrorist nations is two-fold: (1) Fidel nationalized a lot of American Businesses and he owes the owners a lot of money; and (2) the Cuban vote is very important in Florida, although the generation that fled Castro is dying out.

I think we have been on a path to stronger trade relations with Cuba for quite a while. A lot of Midwest farm states see a big market there, since the communists are, as always, unable to grow enough food to feed their own people.


24 posted on 04/03/2009 3:03:47 PM PDT by neocon1984
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To: avacado

He plans on giving California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas to Mexico and Alaska to Russia.


25 posted on 04/03/2009 3:06:06 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Socialism is the belief that most people are better off if everyone was equally poor and miserable.)
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To: Boiling Pots

General licenses are granted to the following categories of travelers, who are permitted to spend money to travel to Cuba and to engage in other transactions directly incident to the purpose of their travel, without the need to obtain a specific license from the U.S. Treasury Department’s Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) at http://www.treas.gov/offices/enforcement/ofac/:

Journalists and supporting broadcasting or technical personnel (regularly employed in that capacity by a news reporting organization and traveling for journalistic activities).

Official government travelers on official business.
Members of international organizations of which the United States is also a member (traveling on official business).
Full-time professionals whose travel transactions are directly related to research in their professional areas, provided that their research: 1) is of a noncommercial, academic nature; 2) comprises a full work schedule in Cuba; and 3) has a substantial likelihood of public dissemination.

Full-time professionals whose travel transactions are directly related to attendance at professional meetings or conferences in Cuba that are organized by an international professional organization, institution, or association that regularly sponsors such meetings or conferences in other countries. An organization, institution, or association headquartered in the United States may not sponsor such a meeting or conference unless it has been specifically licensed to sponsor it.

The purpose of the meeting or conference cannot be the promotion of tourism in Cuba or other commercial activities involving Cuba, or to foster production of any bio-technological products.

Travelers who do not qualify for a general license may be eligible for a specific OFAC license if their travel falls under one of the following categories:

Specific Licenses to Visit Immediate Family Members in Cuba: OFAC will issue to immediate family members who are nationals of Cuba specific licenses authorizing travel-related transactions incident to one visit lasting no more than 14 days per three-year period. For those who emigrated to the United States from Cuba, and since that time have not visited a family member in Cuba, the three-year period will be counted from the date they left Cuba. For all others, the three-year period will be counted from the date they last left Cuba pursuant to the pre-existing family visit general license, or from the date their family visit specific license was issued. Travelers wishing to visit an immediate family member in Cuba who is authorized to be in Cuba, but is not a national of Cuba, may be granted a specific license in exigent circumstances, provided that the U.S. Interests Section in Havana concurs in the issuance of such a license.

Specific Licenses for Educational Institutions: Specific licenses may be issued by OFAC to authorize travel transactions related to certain educational activities by students or employees at U.S. undergraduate or graduate institutions. Such licenses must be renewed after a period of one year. Once an academic institution has applied for and received such a specific license, the following categories of travelers affiliated with that academic institution are authorized to engage in travel-related transactions incident to the following activities without seeking further authorization from OFAC:

Undergraduate or graduate students participating in a structured educational program lasting at least 10 weeks as part of a course offered at a U.S. undergraduate or graduate institution. Students planning to engage in such transactions must carry a letter from the licensed institution stating: 1) the institution’s license number; 2) that the student is enrolled in an undergraduate or graduate degree program at the institution; and 3) that the travel is part of an educational program of that institution.

Persons doing noncommercial Cuba-related academic research in Cuba for the purpose of qualifying academically as a professional (e.g., research toward a graduate degree). Students planning to engage in such transactions must carry a letter from the licensed institution stating: 1) the institution’s license number; 2) that the student is enrolled in a graduate degree program at the institution; and 3) that the Cuba research will be accepted for credit toward that graduate degree.

Undergraduate or graduate students participating in a formal course of study lasting at least 10 weeks at a Cuban academic institution, provided that the Cuban study will be accepted for credit toward a degree at the licensed U.S. institution. A student planning to engage in such transactions must carry a letter from the licensed U.S. institution stating: 1) the institution’s license number; 2) that the individual is a student currently enrolled in an undergraduate or graduate degree program, or a full-time permanent employee at the institution; and 3) that the Cuba-related travel is part of a structured educational program of that institution that will last at least 10 weeks.
Persons who are regularly employed in a teaching capacity at a licensed U.S. undergraduate or graduate institution and who plan to teach part or all of an academic program at a Cuban academic institution lasting at least 10 weeks. An individual planning to engage in such transactions must carry a letter from the licensed institution stating: 1) the institution’s license number; and 2) that the individual is regularly employed by the licensed institution in a teaching capacity.

Cuban scholars teaching or engaging in other scholarly activities at a licensed college or university in the United States. Licensed institutions may sponsor such Cuban scholars, including payment of a stipend or salary. The Cuban scholar may remit all such stipends or salary payments back to Cuba. Full-time employees of a licensed institution organizing or preparing for the educational activities described above. An individual engaging in such transactions must carry a letter from the licensed institution stating: 1) the institution’s license number; and 2) that the individual is regularly employed by the institution.

Specific Licenses for Religious Organizations: Specific licenses may be issued by OFAC to religious organizations to authorize individuals affiliated with the organization to engage in travel transactions under the auspices of the religious organization. Applications by religious organizations for such licenses should include examples of the religious activities to be undertaken in Cuba. All individuals traveling pursuant to a religious organization’s license must carry with them a letter from the licensed organization citing the number of the license and confirming that they are affiliated with the organization and are traveling to Cuba to engage in religious activities under the auspices of the organization.

Other Specific Licenses: Specific licenses may be issued by OFAC, on a case-by-case basis, authorizing travel transactions by the following categories of persons in connection with the following activities:

Humanitarian Projects and Support for the Cuban People – 1) Persons traveling in connection with activities that are intended to provide support for the Cuban people, such as activities of recognized human rights organizations; and 2) persons whose travel transactions are directly related to certain humanitarian projects in or related to Cuba that are designed to directly benefit the Cuban people. Licenses authorizing transactions for multiple trips over an extended period of time are available.

Free-Lance Journalism – Persons with a suitable record of publication who are traveling to Cuba to do research for a free-lance article. Licenses authorizing transactions for multiple trips over an extended period of time are available for applicants demonstrating a significant record of free-lance journalism.

Professional Research and Professional Meetings – Persons traveling to Cuba to do professional research or to attend a professional meeting that does not meet the requirements of the relevant general license (described above). Licenses authorizing transactions for multiple trips over an extended period of time are available

Religious Activities – Persons traveling to Cuba to engage in religious activities that are not authorized pursuant to a religious organization’s specific license. Licenses authorizing transactions for multiple trips over an extended period of time are available.

Public Performances, Athletic or Other Competitions, and Exhibitions – Persons traveling to participate in a public performance, athletic or other competition or exhibition. The event must be open for attendance, and in relevant situations participation, by the Cuban public, and all profits from the event after costs must be donated to an independent nongovernmental organization in Cuba or a U.S.-based charity with the objective, to the extent possible, of benefiting the Cuban people.

Amateur or semi-professional athletes or teams traveling to participate in Cuba in an athletic competition held under the auspices of the relevant international sports federation. The athletes must have been selected for the competition by the relevant U.S. sports federation, and the competition must be one that is open for attendance, and in relevant situations participation, by the Cuban people.
Activities of Private Foundations or Research or Educational Institutions – Persons traveling to Cuba on behalf of private foundations or research or educational institutes that have an established interest in international relations to collect information related to Cuba for noncommercial purposes. Licenses authorizing transactions for multiple trips over an extended period of time are available.

Exportation, Importation, or Transmission of Information or Informational Materials – Persons traveling to engage in activities directly related to the exportation, importation, or transmission of information or informational materials.

Licensed Exportation – Persons traveling to Cuba to engage in activities directly related to marketing, sales negotiation, accompanied delivery, or servicing of exports of health care products or other exports that may be considered for authorization under existing Department of Commerce regulations and guidelines with respect to Cuba or engaged in by U.S.-owned or controlled foreign firms.


26 posted on 04/03/2009 3:06:20 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Sub-Driver

What will all the Commie-Grannies do? They THRIVE on defying the government...


27 posted on 04/03/2009 3:09:31 PM PDT by bboop (obama, little o, not a Real God)
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To: Boiling Pots
I provided you in post #26 some information on travel to Cuba. As you can see, it is permissable under certain circumstances. There is no blanket ban on travel to Cuba.

Cuba Country Specific Information

28 posted on 04/03/2009 3:11:06 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

I never said there was an absolute ban on travel.

As it stands now, it’s extremely difficult for the average American to go to Cuba.

I went in 2004, days before the current version of the travel ban went into force. Have you been?


29 posted on 04/03/2009 3:26:49 PM PDT by Boiling Pots (The Politicians think we're all stupid, and they're largely correct.)
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To: neocon1984
The difference between Cuba and the other terrorist nations is two-fold: (1) Fidel nationalized a lot of American Businesses and he owes the owners a lot of money; and (2) the Cuban vote is very important in Florida, although the generation that fled Castro is dying out.

I understand what you are saying, but I can travel to Venezuela, even though they've nationalized assets, including American company assets (^).

I can also travel to Zimbabwe, even though they've nationalized things, too (not sure if they were American assets or not).

At any rate, I'd like to see consistency.

The second half of your comment is unarguably true. As you say, though, the generation that left Cuba due to Castro is aging and passing away, so their political pull is probably lessening.

I think we have been on a path to stronger trade relations with Cuba for quite a while. A lot of Midwest farm states see a big market there, since the communists are, as always, unable to grow enough food to feed their own people.

I think you're right.

30 posted on 04/03/2009 3:28:30 PM PDT by mountainbunny (Hey, Kids! It's the new Mitt Romney! Collect the whole set!)
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To: Sub-Driver

The ban on Cuban cigars is particularly irritating for us cigar smokers.

First, JFK stocked up on the smokes he wanted and then banned them for every other American.

In our day, the politicians smoke Habanos at will while the average citizen has to fear OFAC’s wrath.

Enough already.

Legalize ‘em.


31 posted on 04/03/2009 3:31:45 PM PDT by cgbg ("The Second Great Depression, popularly known as 'The Obamanation'....")
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To: kabar

Gitmo is Cuba. The irony is freeing terrorists in Guantanomo, Cuba, only to send free Americans to Havanna, Cuba.


32 posted on 04/03/2009 3:33:36 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; george76; ...
Another Captain Ron ping.
Image and video hosting by TinyPic "For one thing, I want to send Jimmy there on a factfinding mission about those missiles. I just hope no UFOs or rabbits follow him around down there."

33 posted on 04/03/2009 3:34:25 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: randomhero97

True, very true.


34 posted on 04/03/2009 3:40:41 PM PDT by autumnraine (Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose- Kris Kristoferrson VIVA LA REVOLUTION!)
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To: Sub-Driver

I hope all our enemies are washing their A**es cause our muslim prez is going to kiss everyone of them.


35 posted on 04/03/2009 3:41:35 PM PDT by briarbey b (There is nothing new under the sun.)
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To: ScreamingFist
lifting the ban means nothing.

How many illegals would arrive if the ban were lifted?

36 posted on 04/03/2009 3:47:32 PM PDT by humblegunner (Where my PIE at, fool?)
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To: Boiling Pots

Agreed, we have far worse/dangerous enemies that we do business with on a regular basis.


37 posted on 04/03/2009 3:49:52 PM PDT by DTogo (Time to bring back the Sons of Liberty.)
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To: humblegunner
How many illegals would arrive if the ban were lifted?

No idea FRiend. But from cuba they will either come in by boat or aircraft.....in a normal world that tends to keep the rift raft out........

Oh wait

38 posted on 04/03/2009 3:53:46 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Annihilation - The result of underestimating your enemies. NRA)
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To: autumnraine

They’re against this, continuing to hope the sanctions will eventually topple the Castros. But they are mostly Republican anyway.

Another example of Zero spitting in the face of Conservatives.


39 posted on 04/03/2009 3:55:40 PM PDT by GatorGirl (Proud Citizen of the Gator Nation!)
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To: GatorGirl

This guy just keeps the hits coming. Please end this reign of terror while we still have a somewhat united states.

Vince


40 posted on 04/03/2009 4:11:37 PM PDT by Mouton
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To: Boiling Pots
No, but I spent 28 years in the Foreign Service and have a number of friends who have served in the US Interest Section in Havana.

As it stands now, it’s extremely difficult for the average American to go to Cuba.

Legally, perhaps, but many Americans go in via Canada as part of tour groups. And the USG has really not enforced the travel restriction against private Americans who violate the ban.

When you don't have formal diplomatic relations with a country, it becomes very difficult to protect your citizens when they get in trouble in the host country.

41 posted on 04/03/2009 4:14:44 PM PDT by kabar
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To: autumnraine

We all go there, bring our photos of our cars, homes and lifestyles - let the Cubans see that and it won’t be communist for long.


42 posted on 04/03/2009 4:24:13 PM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: kabar

This is simply not true, an Iowa school teacher was fined $60,000 last year for going in through Canada...I do agree that any government that attempts to restrict the travel of its citizens to any other place in the world is taking the first steps at limiting other freedoms...and now you know why you should be concerned about guns, speech, and rampant taxation, for examples...if we drop the travel ban, you may see the castros limit travel to cuba for americans...they are no fools and yes, it will create discontent among cubans.


43 posted on 04/03/2009 4:27:10 PM PDT by dunblak
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To: Sub-Driver

Dah comrade hussein.

LLS


44 posted on 04/03/2009 4:27:34 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (hussein will NEVER be my President... NEVER!!!)
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To: bagman

The Cuban embargo hasn’t overthrown the Cuban government despite being almost fifty years old. I suspect that it might be time to try something new. Let’s end the embargo and give our neighbors a taste of the riches of capitalism. In short order, then, I suspect we’ll be hearing “Adios, Fidel! Adios, Ramon!”
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I agree


45 posted on 04/03/2009 4:34:25 PM PDT by mojitojoe ( Idiots elected a Marxist ideologue with narcissistic personality disorder & America is dying.)
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To: All

Wow that’s gonna upset some Canadians - they’re fond of shoving Cuba in the face of the people in the U.S.

“I travelled to Cuba last spring yada yada”.... like it was heaven on earth.

What dregs of a place - and their great tourist experiment hasn’t raised the level of lifestyle one bit.

“Let the Americans do it....”


46 posted on 04/03/2009 4:39:20 PM PDT by imintrouble
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To: Sub-Driver

That’s cool. Now Sean Penn can help shoot at our troops on Guantanimo, and no one will be the wiser...


47 posted on 04/03/2009 4:39:30 PM PDT by xmission (www.iwilldefendtheconstitution.com)
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To: Boiling Pots

Not to the Miami Cubans whose dads and uncles got put up against the wall or stripped of their property.


48 posted on 04/03/2009 4:41:41 PM PDT by kinghorse
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To: Sub-Driver

Well, there was bound to be one or two things he would do that I would agree with......it only took over two months...


49 posted on 04/03/2009 4:45:35 PM PDT by SW6906 (6 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, horsepower, guns and ammunition.)
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To: bagman
The Cuban embargo hasn’t overthrown the Cuban government despite being almost fifty years old. I suspect that it might is not a valid rationale.be time to try something new. Let’s end the embargo and give our neighbors a taste of the riches of capitalism. In short order, then, I suspect we’ll be hearing “Adios, Fidel! Adios, Ramon!”

You make some points about exposing them to capitalism and trying something new. But one the 1st point one could say we have haven't solved the murder problem in this country either but we don't give up. Just because the communists are still in charge doesn't argue for a position one way or the other by itself.

50 posted on 04/03/2009 4:59:56 PM PDT by plain talk
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