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Gun-Free Zones Are a Magnet for Attacks Like the Tragedy In Binghampton
Fox News ^ | April 3, 2009 | John R. Lott, Jr.

Posted on 04/03/2009 2:57:41 PM PDT by JohnRLott

Time after time multiple victim public shootings occur in gun free zones, public places where citizens are not legally able to carry guns. The horrible attack today in Binghamton, New York is no different. Every multiple victim public shooting that I have studied where more than three people have been killed has taken place where guns are banned.

You would think that it would be an important part of the news stories for a simple reason: Gun-free zones are a magnet for these attacks. Extensive discussions of these attacks can be found here and here. We want to keep people safe, but the problem is that it is the law-abiding good citizens, not the criminals, who obey these laws. We end up disarming the potential victims and not the criminals. Rather than making places safe for victims, we unintentionally make them safe for the criminal.

At some point you would think the media would notice that something is going on here, that these murderers aren’t just picking their targets at random. . . . .

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: armedcitizen; banglist; binghamton; ccw; guncontrol; gunfreezone; gunfreezones; johnlott; lping; publicshooting; rkba; shallnotbeinfringed; shooting
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1 posted on 04/03/2009 2:57:42 PM PDT by JohnRLott
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To: JohnRLott
At some point you would think the media would notice that something is going on here, that these murderers aren’t just picking their targets at random. . . . .

The media notice and report accurately? Surely you jest.

2 posted on 04/03/2009 2:59:42 PM PDT by Jerrybob
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To: JohnRLott

Shouldn’t Fox News learn how to properly spell Binghamton?


3 posted on 04/03/2009 2:59:58 PM PDT by GnL
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To: JohnRLott
Rather than making places safe for victims, we unintentionally make them safe for the criminal.

Been saying this for years about the "sex-offender-free" zones. Makes parents feel safe so they relax their guard and...

4 posted on 04/03/2009 3:00:29 PM PDT by Clint Williams (Read Roto-Reuters -- we're the spinmeisters | America -- a great idea, didn't last.)
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To: Jerrybob

If any real analysis was done at all after these events, the gun-free killing zones would be identified as a factor. However, we all know the media cares only about sensational reporting (even if everything reported is false) and driving their gun-grabbing agenda.


5 posted on 04/03/2009 3:01:55 PM PDT by GnL
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To: GnL
"If any real analysis was done at all after these events, the gun-free killing zones would be identified as a factor."

Ann Coulter has repeatedly commented on the irony that libs accuse conservatives of being, "anti-science," yet go on to ignore in toto, the exhaustive studies that show increased violent crime in areas with restrictive firearms ownership, and decreased crime rates in areas with active CCW programs.

6 posted on 04/03/2009 3:07:21 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: JohnRLott

Thank you for posting.


7 posted on 04/03/2009 3:08:19 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media.)
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To: JohnRLott
Everybody in my office KNOWS about the Glock 19 in my briefcase.

Secretly, they want it there
8 posted on 04/03/2009 3:12:02 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: JohnRLott

Yep. Look at Wash DC. Tough gun restrictions, lots of people killed with guns. Didn’t I just read Canada is ditching their gun bans since it doesn’t reduce gun violence?


9 posted on 04/03/2009 3:19:45 PM PDT by uncommonsense (liberals see what they believe and conservatives believe what they see)
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To: Clint Williams; JohnRLott
Rather than making places safe for victims, we unintentionally make them safe for the criminal.

I do not believe it is "unintentionally". This is part of the plan of the marxist, ever growing, movement in this country, led by our marxist President barack hussein obama.

FMCDH(BITS)

10 posted on 04/03/2009 3:33:57 PM PDT by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: JohnRLott

Thank you Mr. Lott. I won’t hold my breath to see if your analysis is on any other so-called “news” outlet.

Might be worth your while to check out the “American Civic Association” where the people were murdered. It is leftwing.


11 posted on 04/03/2009 3:36:20 PM PDT by dynachrome (Barack Hussein Obama yunikku khinaaziir)
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To: JohnRLott

Tomorrow I go to take my CCW class! Woo-hoo!


12 posted on 04/03/2009 3:46:14 PM PDT by ChocChipCookie ("Let his days be few, and let another take his office." Psalm 109:8)
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To: JohnRLott

There’s another interesting correlation - psychoactive medications. This was posted in another thread. Take a look here:

http://www.ssristories.com/index.php


13 posted on 04/03/2009 4:52:41 PM PDT by fretzer
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To: JohnRLott; Joe Brower; sit-rep; Squantos; Eaker

Ping


14 posted on 04/03/2009 4:57:38 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Larry Lucido; hiredhand; Tijeras_Slim; Eaker; Travis McGee; Lurker; glock rocks; Cap'n Crunch; ...

My CHL /CCW evolution has gone from a off duty Mod 37 S&W snub in a custom ankle rig w/ one spare bianchi speed strip to a Glock 31 w/ 3 spare mags and same ankle rig with 3 spare bianchi speed strips.

If the good lord lets me see the rabid critter(s) first !

Stay Safe ya’ll !


15 posted on 04/03/2009 5:10:06 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Squantos

How and where do you carry your three spare mags?


16 posted on 04/03/2009 5:22:13 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: JohnRLott

17 posted on 04/03/2009 5:23:50 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Squantos

Off duty? Sig 239 .40 with 2 spare mags and/or G30 .45 with 2 spare mags. Those are to get me to the truck.


18 posted on 04/03/2009 5:39:00 PM PDT by glock rocks (Candy apple purple! I don't have ADD, it's just dyslexia and, wait... do you like waffles?)
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To: Travis McGee; glock rocks

Two IWB Galco mag pouch and one in the ruler pocket of my carpenter jeans on left (weak side) leg.

The Glock 31 is IWB chamber empty without a holster full magazine.

The very old Uncle Mikes Nylon Ankle rig has a pocket that a parachute rigger made on it to hold 3 of the bianchi speed strips or a old style 50 round box of .22’s if I carry the Beretta 70S or my newer SW 317 snub revolver .22.

The .22 gets carried lots of times if I am wheel off road or camping or in big city where civil unrest may put me in a Reginald Denny situation.

Most of time the SW Mod 37 .38 is the ankle rig.


19 posted on 04/03/2009 5:49:31 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Squantos

Just a bone stock glock?


20 posted on 04/03/2009 5:57:08 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Squantos

I took the course, but I haven’t signed up. I haul it anyway, fook them. More so every day. Long as I don’t meet you, I will fight another day.


21 posted on 04/03/2009 5:59:04 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: Squantos; glock rocks; Joe Brower; Sir Gawain; Scythian; beltfed308; DaveLoneRanger
I carry a 10mm delta elite on those "heavy days" and a glock 10mm on the light days (compact). In the trunk, I have a Short Barrel shotgun....

yes nosey ATF agents reading this thread, it's on the registry.

22 posted on 04/03/2009 6:02:18 PM PDT by DCBryan1 (Arm Pilots&Teachers. Build the Wall. Export Illegals. Profile Muslims. Execute child molesters RFN!)
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To: Travis McGee

Yep.......I like the plain jane out of the box glock. No NY triggers or aftermarket sights etc ....... may have a 2 shot magazine base pad on all but the 20 / 21 series.......that has always been a bad deal on that series of glocks per my experience !

My Glock 31 is OD frame and black tenifer slide. Zero mods to the firearm.


23 posted on 04/03/2009 6:02:54 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Squantos
Zero mods to the firearm.

Yep. Hard to improve on perfection.

24 posted on 04/03/2009 6:05:15 PM PDT by glock rocks (Candy apple purple! I don't have ADD, it's just dyslexia and, wait... do you like waffles?)
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To: DCBryan1; Travis McGee

If this so called administration bans my EBR then I will just buy a real assault rifle thru NFA rules etc .......:o)

Has Hk started to sell their civy versions of the 416 yet ! Their site says they are soon !!

7.62 and .223 flavors.


25 posted on 04/03/2009 6:06:57 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: MileHi

?!?!?! run into me ?

I am polite and professional and getting old and slow .......:o)


26 posted on 04/03/2009 6:08:03 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Squantos

I just saw the “glock meltdown” yahoo video on another thread. Something like 240 rds thru a full auto with a stock in about a minute. The shooter didn’t even have gloves on. I’ll bet his left thumb and finger were burnt releasing the slide, but it kept running.


27 posted on 04/03/2009 6:08:05 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: glock rocks

That “perfection” slogan has kept glocks frozen in time.

A few mods would make a glock a better gun, such as tactile/visual loaded chamber and cocked indicators.

It’s called an XD.


28 posted on 04/03/2009 6:10:23 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: glock rocks

For an out of the box dehorned durable EDC rig it has a tough finish and IMO the best combat tupperware out there if you read the manual before ya try and make it do what ot was never intended to do ! KISS principal is what Gaston Glock was after and got and I adhere to it as well !


29 posted on 04/03/2009 6:11:55 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Travis McGee; dcbryan

I carried a glock 18 in Desert storm in a E&E shoulder rig with a MP 5 magazine pouch on the off side for the 3 spare 32 round mags and a Ops Inc Can for it.....stoked with 147gr OSM 9mm.

We took em to the range all the time for the year we had em before Aug 2 of 90. I never cooked one like that but they will clear a path .

Much better select fire chauffeur gun that a Beretta 93R IMO. That is a POS for accurate bursts .....


30 posted on 04/03/2009 6:16:57 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Travis McGee

I have heard good things on the XD just have never fired one or got to fingerprint one up at the gun shop .....yet !

If my threat level is high I swap from a Glock empty chamber to a Kydex IWB and chamber full or go back to my tried and true, 1911’s, SIG 220 or 228.


31 posted on 04/03/2009 6:20:42 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Squantos; Travis McGee
The left is on the left. The right is on the right.

Actually, I have a theory that the poster on the left was done before Chuckie Bloomer was a mugging victim. The one on the right was done afterwards!

Stoopid People VS Car Jacker
32 posted on 04/03/2009 6:28:55 PM PDT by hiredhand (Understand the CRA and why we're facing economic collapse - see my about page.)
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To: Squantos

Not run into “you” who know. I am still learning martial things. {:0)


33 posted on 04/03/2009 6:36:31 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: glock rocks

“Zero mods to the firearm.
Yep. Hard to improve on perfection.”

That’s best from a liability perspective too. The instructor at a course I took at Frontsight recommended a stock glock (or whatever) for carry for that reason. No race guns.


34 posted on 04/03/2009 6:41:43 PM PDT by fretzer
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To: Travis McGee

“I just saw the “glock meltdown” yahoo video on another thread. Something like 240 rds thru a full auto with a stock in about a minute. The shooter didn’t even have gloves on. I’ll bet his left thumb and finger were burnt releasing the slide, but it kept running.”

Ha! At same said Frontsight course we were treated to a full auto G17 (not a G18) modified by lonewolfdist.com. Each student got a 30 round mag. Muzzle climb was atrocious. Every third student or so the instructor dunked the handgun in a bucket of water to cool it :)


35 posted on 04/03/2009 6:47:12 PM PDT by fretzer
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To: Travis McGee

Have you seen th enews clip of Biden announcing this “tragedy” to a crowd he was going to give a speech to today...

He sounded so remenisent of President Bush when he announced the 9-11 attacks...

The gasps from the crowd was deafening...

And he did not miss a chance to drop the ever present hint of a need to “end” this violence...

Good call there dipsh!t...You must have ate yer Wheaties or taken some Gincoba to ward off those brainfarts today...

“Never waste a good crisis...” (a tried and true liberal/socialist template)


36 posted on 04/03/2009 7:09:39 PM PDT by stevie_d_64
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To: JohnRLott
Has anybody noticed any better availability for large purchases of ammo (mostly military)?
Most everyone was out when I checked a few weeks ago...
37 posted on 04/03/2009 7:14:31 PM PDT by Stayfree ((HELP US EXPOSE THE "REAL" BIRTH CERTIFICATE @ REWARD FOR OBAMA'S BIRTH CERTIFICATE.COM!))
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To: Travis McGee

Or an XDM
http://www.the-m-factor.com/


38 posted on 04/03/2009 7:18:32 PM PDT by DTogo (Time to bring back the Sons of Liberty.)
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To: JohnRLott

“Gun Free Zones” are “gun free” except for when people bring guns there.


39 posted on 04/03/2009 8:11:13 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (What did Obama's Teleprompter know, and when did it know it...)
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To: JohnRLott

Thank you for all you do.


40 posted on 04/03/2009 8:22:42 PM PDT by wastedyears (April 21st, 2009 - International Iron Maiden Day)
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To: wastedyears; JohnRLott

I’ll second that.


41 posted on 04/03/2009 8:34:35 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: JohnRLott

#1 ... I’ve given up worrying about how to spell Binghamton, I’ve had to CHange my name to make it easier... they screw that one up, too.

#2 New York Officials Idea of Self defense is ... Help the burglar Carry out YOUR TV to their truck.

#3 All the GUN LAWS in the world, INCLUDING COnfiscation, would NOT have Stopped this Individual... to say so, is not only foolhardy ... it’s downright STUPID.


42 posted on 04/03/2009 8:41:36 PM PDT by gwilhelm56 (I GIVE UP .... HEIL Obama!!)
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To: JohnRLott

Looks like another secondary factor is all the cops and other grown-ups with guns and badges that surround the scene to make sure no hero rushes in to save anybody.


43 posted on 04/03/2009 8:41:36 PM PDT by randog (Tap into America!)
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To: JohnRLott

Bump - are you the same Lott who wrote More Guns, Less Crime?


44 posted on 04/03/2009 9:55:59 PM PDT by indcons (An eye for an eye; a tooth for a tooth.)
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To: JohnRLott

The mainstream media do see it, they just don’t report it. Their ultimate goal is the unilateral disarmament of all law abiding citizens.

Only then can the state be the only means of personal protection of thei subjects lives. The subjects themselves must not yield this power. Just another measure of control.

Not to mention the other obvious reasons that the state wants to disarm law abiding patriots.

Great article and analysis as always...


45 posted on 04/03/2009 10:13:27 PM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; Allerious; ...



Libertarian ping! Click here to get added or here to be removed or post a message here!
46 posted on 04/03/2009 10:15:40 PM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: uncommonsense
Didn’t I just read Canada is ditching their gun bans since it doesn’t reduce gun violence?

Switzerland has mandatory armed services duty, IIRC, and each person serving is required to keep their gun at home with them and bring it if they are called up.

Now maybe that's all just rumor, but if true, using the gun grabbers logic, there shouldn't be anyone left alive in Switzerland because *guns are evil*.

Googling *murder rate Switerland* brings up some interesting articles.

47 posted on 04/04/2009 6:09:59 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: JohnRLott
WHEN are people (other than those who read these forums) going to realize that the police are WORTHLESS to protect citizens from bad things happening?

Are our "leaders" -- people in power that stupid, or are they just so fearful of an armed citizenry (or both)?

WHEN is the unarmed citizenry going to wake up and realize that they, and they alone, are responsible for their own safety and become an ARMED CITIZENRY?

48 posted on 04/04/2009 6:56:49 AM PDT by Jerrybob
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To: dynachrome

As a kid I walked for all twelve years of my schooling past the site of the ACA in Binghamton NY. There were residences there then. Some of my relatives in Binghamton are strongly conservative and use the center as a venue for e.g. of meetings of the Catholic Daughters of America. They wouldn’t corroborate the lefty charge.

http://www.unitedwaybroome.org/pages/Success%20Stories/UW_Report_June_2002.pdf

On a lighter note, Rod Serling (went to school around the corner, at (then) Binghamton Central High School.
Obit. www.rodserling.com/bingobit.htm


49 posted on 04/04/2009 9:38:06 AM PDT by maher ( Klinton's Blitzkrieg)
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To: bamahead

I heard the police spokesman say that the brave receptionist hid under her desk and called 911. She stayed on the phone for 90 minutes while the SWAT team assembled.

Does anyone else see a problem here? This is just like the incident at Virginia Tech. Now I have as much admiration for the police as anyone, but how many times are they going to spend an hour or so gathering all their team and fancy equipment before they actually DO something?


50 posted on 04/04/2009 10:28:19 AM PDT by Pining_4_TX
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