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Gingrich Warns of Conservative 3rd Party in 2012
Newsmax ^ | April 3, 2009 | Newt Gingrich

Posted on 04/03/2009 6:40:17 PM PDT by John Leland 1789

Gingrich Warns of Conservative 3rd Party in 2012

Friday, April 3, 2009 8:53 AM

Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich warns that conservatives could leave the GOP and form a third party in 2012 if Republicans don’t do more to rein in government spending.

“If the Republicans can’t break out of being the right wing party of big government, then I think you would see a third party movement in 2012, Gingrich said during an address to students at the College of the Ozarks in Missouri.

http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/gingrich_third_party/2009/04/03/199346.html?s=al&promo_code=7D64-1

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We argue quite a bit on these pages about thrd party stuff. Gingrich, I'm sure is voicing what he is actually hearing and sensing.

Those who are diehard Republican and want to preserve the GOP will have to do more than chat and post to FR and other such sites. They are going to have to ivolve themselves in extensive letter-writing, door-knocking, and organizing to bring the Party back to its roots.

I, for one among many, believe that the upper crust of the GOP needs a scare. They need to be forced to feel that they and the whole party can be replaced.

1 posted on 04/03/2009 6:40:18 PM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: John Leland 1789
They need to be forced to feel that they and the whole party can be replaced.

No, they and the whole party actually need to be replaced.

2 posted on 04/03/2009 6:42:36 PM PDT by DTogo (Time to bring back the Sons of Liberty.)
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To: DTogo

Wonder if Newt has anyone in mind to be the nominee of this Conservative Party?


3 posted on 04/03/2009 6:43:30 PM PDT by Patrick1 (I'm not calling in sick; I'm calling in gone!)
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To: Patrick1

Sarah Palin, of course...... Hell’s not freezing over though....


4 posted on 04/03/2009 6:45:03 PM PDT by MrLee (Sha'alu Shalom Yerushalyim!! God bless Eretz Israel.)
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To: John Leland 1789

As a lifelong conservative and a 40+ year Republican, I haven’t given up on the GOP yet.

But its getting close.


5 posted on 04/03/2009 6:45:15 PM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: Patrick1

Sarah Palin, of course...... Hell’s not freezing over though....


6 posted on 04/03/2009 6:45:24 PM PDT by MrLee (Sha'alu Shalom Yerushalyim!! God bless Eretz Israel.)
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To: John Leland 1789
I'll sure consider a 3rd party move, if the party High Poobahs don't shape up, SOON!

Continuing the way they are going, and then making promises of change just before an election, WILL NOT work with me.

7 posted on 04/03/2009 6:46:03 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: John Leland 1789

With all due apologies to Michael Medved, I believe the timing will be ripe for a conservative third party. The RINO party will continue to move towards the left to appease the demoncrats. Problme is that this might end up giving the Demoncraps the WH again. Someone needs to take the reins of the republican party before this country is flushed down the toilet by the Demoncraps.


8 posted on 04/03/2009 6:46:52 PM PDT by MAD-AS-HELL (Hope and Change. Rhetoric embraced by the Insane - Obama, The Chump in Charge)
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To: John Leland 1789
Gingrich Warns of Conservative 3rd Party in 2012

Yeah, by then the Falcon party will have fifty members and $10,000.

9 posted on 04/03/2009 6:47:57 PM PDT by GoldStandard
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To: John Leland 1789

They won’t listen. They don’t care. They don’t have to; we’ve seen to that!

BUT...I’m starting locally, and I advise anyone that listens to do the same. I’m working on local campaigns right now. We’re going to get a new County Executive, get all the smelly hippies OFF of our County Board, and we’re going to get rid of our very own ‘Ruth Bader Ginsburg’ judge (Shirley Abrahamson) if I have anything to say about it come April 7th.

The current ‘Poser in Chief’ that we’ve got? Why, just a few short years ago, he was merely a Community Organizer!

A more effective approach will be slow and steady to win the race for years to come.

Start locally, and move those people up nationally as they earn it. Concentrate on grooming our GOVERNORS for higher office; we have some very, very good ones in place right now.

It completely AMAZES me that the simple things I learned in the Army through the years about Command and Control and Promotions and LEADERSHIP completely escape the GOP we have these days. But, they escape most people I deal with day in and day out. *SHRUG*

Michael Steele? *SPIT* Let’s get real.

This Nation was founded by people no more important or smart or wealthy than we are. Let’s get back to basics.

Well, I can dream, can’t I? ;)


10 posted on 04/03/2009 6:48:23 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: John Leland 1789

A strong conservative party will depend on the right leader.

Gingrich? Maybe he’s testing the waters with this “warning”.

We are going to have to be careful in choosing our new “Leader of the Conservatives”; if the bad guys put in a charismatic sleeper we are doomed.

But how does one vet a “conservative leader”?

Newt at least has the Contract With America on his resume.


11 posted on 04/03/2009 6:48:30 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: Patrick1

I appreciate Newt’s celebrity status and Beltway “gravitas” on the issue, but it’s very likely that Newt is in it for himself, not for advancing Conservatism.


12 posted on 04/03/2009 6:48:54 PM PDT by DTogo (Time to bring back the Sons of Liberty.)
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To: John Leland 1789
If the GOP lets the New York Times pick our candidate again in 2012, you're damn straight I'll support a third party candidate.

Of course, there may not be a New York Times in 2012...

13 posted on 04/03/2009 6:49:09 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all. -- Texas Eagle)
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To: John Leland 1789
Gingrich Warns of Conservative 3rd Party in 2012

I think it would be more accurate to describe it as a second party.
14 posted on 04/03/2009 6:49:19 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: Patrick1

> Wonder if Newt has anyone in mind to be the nominee of this Conservative Party?

With his cave-in on global warming and the fact that he has the morals of a depraved alley-cat, that would be pretty funny.


15 posted on 04/03/2009 6:49:26 PM PDT by VictoryGal (Never give up, never surrender!)
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To: John Leland 1789

You have the Democrat Party as a whole

Then the Republican Party and a third party

Yeah that will work...NOT
Unless you want to loose to the Democrats.


16 posted on 04/03/2009 6:49:45 PM PDT by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: John Leland 1789
The upper crust of the GOP needs to GET OUT of the GOP.

Those crusty old blue blooded, elitist, liberal dinosaurs are irrelevant elephants and are impeding the path that we need to take our nation.

17 posted on 04/03/2009 6:50:11 PM PDT by Semper Mark (No Quarter Given.)
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To: John Leland 1789

“warns”? wtf


18 posted on 04/03/2009 6:50:22 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)
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To: DTogo

Vote out the entire Congress before we’re down the toilet bowl!


19 posted on 04/03/2009 6:51:42 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: John Leland 1789

Well, get ready for “40 years of wandering in the wilderness” of politics then... LOL...


20 posted on 04/03/2009 6:51:52 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: John Leland 1789

The RINOs are the ones that need to exit the GOP. In fact, they left the GOP years ago. They just need to make it official.


21 posted on 04/03/2009 6:52:49 PM PDT by vamoose
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To: ExTexasRedhead

You said — Vote out the entire Congress before we’re down the toilet bowl!

Ummm..., that’s you, me, Free Republic and “who else”? LOL..

In other words, it sounds great, but it will never happen....


22 posted on 04/03/2009 6:53:22 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: Markos33

You said — Those crusty old blue blooded, elitist, liberal dinosaurs are irrelevant elephants and are impeding the path that we need to take our nation.

Ummm..., you may be forgetting the plurality of almost 10 million more votes who voted in Obama. They might have to be “contended with” also... :-)


23 posted on 04/03/2009 6:54:35 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: VictoryGal

I agree.


24 posted on 04/03/2009 6:57:47 PM PDT by Patrick1 (I'm not calling in sick; I'm calling in gone!)
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To: SoCalPol; John Leland 1789

You said — Yeah that will work...NOT

Yeah, take my own gun and shoot my own foot... LOL...


25 posted on 04/03/2009 6:58:46 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: ExTexasRedhead

Vote out??


26 posted on 04/03/2009 6:59:37 PM PDT by DTogo (Time to bring back the Sons of Liberty.)
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To: John Leland 1789
The GOP can do nothing. They are powerless thanks to the many stupid Americans that voted the cult leader King Obama. No Senate. No House. No way to do anything except just complain. We are now under the leadership of King Obama and the communists party RATS. The majority of Hollywierd and the MSM gives us little voice. We are between a rock and a hard place. Corruption will keep King Obama and his RAT force in power for many years, and we can blame it on stupid Americans that put this trash in power.
27 posted on 04/03/2009 7:02:06 PM PDT by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: John Leland 1789

Newt, you created a conservative second party in 1994. What did you do with it?


28 posted on 04/03/2009 7:03:19 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Reagan Man; John Leland 1789

You said — As a lifelong conservative and a 40+ year Republican, I haven’t given up on the GOP yet.

Yep, and precisely the reason why this will result in the Democrats winning from now on.... (can someone say H. Ross Perot?).... LOL...


29 posted on 04/03/2009 7:03:49 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: DTogo
but it’s very likely that Newt is in it for himself

unfortunately, that mat be true...
IF he, were to disavow, running for WH...
he could help mightily.

"When buying and selling are controlled by legislation, the first things to be bought and sold are legislators." - P. J. O'Rourke
“The problem with socialism is that you eventually, run out of other people’s money.” - Margaret Thatcher
"There are two sets of rules. One set for the rulers and another for the rest of us." —Richard Yancey, former IRS tax collector

30 posted on 04/03/2009 7:04:40 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (just b/c you're paranoid, doesn't mean "they" aren't out to get you.. :^)
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To: mysterio
I think it would be more accurate to describe it as a second party.

Aye. What we have now is like tweedledee and tweedledum and that's on the good days when they're not so alike.
31 posted on 04/03/2009 7:04:41 PM PDT by Phileleutherus Franciscus
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To: Logical me

Yep!


32 posted on 04/03/2009 7:05:24 PM PDT by jedi150
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To: DTogo

All RATs and RINOs need to go!


33 posted on 04/03/2009 7:05:25 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: John Leland 1789

He’s probably right, I’m done holding my nose. I admit defeat. There just aren’t enough of us strict-constructionists left.


34 posted on 04/03/2009 7:06:15 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: John Leland 1789
I, for one among many, believe that the upper crust of the GOP needs a scare. They need to be forced to feel that they and the whole party can be replaced.

And then what? Leave them where they are to continue running America into the ground? The hell with that. I will never again give the GOP so much as the sweat off my....

35 posted on 04/03/2009 7:06:24 PM PDT by JoJo Gunn (In this dance of Life, I have two left feet.)
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To: Star Traveler

The newt lost all my respect when he sat on that settee with Plastic Pelousy and touted ‘global warming’!


36 posted on 04/03/2009 7:06:53 PM PDT by Never2baCrat
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
BUT...I’m starting locally, and I advise anyone that listens to do the same. I’m working on local campaigns right now.

Been working on local campaigns since 1988. That's where it all starts and if you try to skip over for the highest levels only -- you lose.

I remember when Senator Patty Murray was making her first run beyond (school board)? The local Republican party was not great shakes then, and look at the result...

37 posted on 04/03/2009 7:07:24 PM PDT by sionnsar (Iran Azadi | 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | "Also sprach Telethustra" - NonValueAdded)
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To: John Leland 1789

The new conservative leader should outline the platform of a third (replacement for the second) party by specifying what it stands for! And that leader should outline what wrath is in store for those in the new ‘conservative’ party who do not follow that platform of ideas.


38 posted on 04/03/2009 7:09:16 PM PDT by eeriegeno (<p>)
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To: John Leland 1789

A 3rd party or a takeover of the GOP by a Conversative Group?

Why not?

The leftist took over the Democratic Party!

It is no longer the party we used to work with! They used to have people that we can work with as sometimes they have a point! But no longer as they seems to be stone deaf to any proposals the GOP makes! And we have too many RINOS in the mix!

We may have to consider the 3rd Party if we can get enough support!


39 posted on 04/03/2009 7:10:51 PM PDT by Sen Jack S. Fogbound (A Dead Commie is a Good Commie!)
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To: John Leland 1789

The RINO’s can just call themselves ‘LibDem’....as in the UK.


40 posted on 04/03/2009 7:11:34 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear ("The smallest minority on earth is the 'individual'." ~ Rush Limbaugh)
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To: All
I'm just one aging guy in flyover who's tried to be as optimistic as possible for as long as possible, mainly for the sake of wife/daughters and their futures, but at this point the prospects of reversing this CF w/o bloodshed seem very very small.
41 posted on 04/03/2009 7:11:42 PM PDT by tomkat (lexington, concord, flyover)
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To: John Leland 1789

Under the current rules, and with the current personalities, the GOP is just as likely to nominate another RINO in 2012.

The RINO element hasn’t had the good grace to step aside since the 08 debacle. The open primaries and likely liberal interlopers in the selection process will really tilt the 12 convention to the “moderates”, maybe McCain will be renominated.

Unless the Republicans change the rules, score decisive victories especially in the 2008 primaries against McCain and Specter, Gingrich may be prophetic here.


42 posted on 04/03/2009 7:11:48 PM PDT by I_Like_Spam
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To: ExTexasRedhead

(D) + (R) = Damn Rascals!


43 posted on 04/03/2009 7:12:02 PM PDT by DTogo (Time to bring back the Sons of Liberty.)
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To: Larry Lucido

Newt sold the “conservatives” down the river when he did that disgusting press opportunity with Bill Clinton, to show that Newt was “just a regular guy”. Newt felt he had to make nice with BJ Clinton because the media had painted him and all conservatives as devils with horns. That was a HUGE mistake and the END of Mr. Gingrich.


44 posted on 04/03/2009 7:12:57 PM PDT by Mr. Jazzy (No greater friend, no worse enemy -The United States Marine Corps.)
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To: John Leland 1789

A Conservative third party would never win the presidency, and practically guarantee the Democrats wining every time by splitting the center right vote between the GOP candidate and the Third Party candidate.

Now a third party that focused on only wining seats in the house and senate would be far more effective. Say a well funded and non fringe conservative third party were to develop and take say 100 House Seats and 9-10 senate seats. This would give a third party a tremendous amount of power as the two major parties would need the third party votes in order to pass legislation. The third party could leverage this to demand a conservative direction in legislation, especially in the house.

But this party would have to be well financed (at least $250 million in revenue), and have to be able to attract exceptional talent. No third party has ever came close to accomplishing this.


45 posted on 04/03/2009 7:16:21 PM PDT by spikeytx86 (Pray for Democrats for they have been brainwashed by their fruity little club.)
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To: Logical me

The US Constitution has been hijacked: the 2-party system or another party in the system won’t solve this mess.

EU and Nato and China are not going to support Obongo, so the rest of the world of allies and trade partners will drift along into their own self serving agendas, while the Resident has the ability to rule by fiat within the US. He will crush dissent ruthlessly, build socialism and nationalist control, consolidating his power base and eliminating opposition. Expect gun ban by executive order soon, and national service corps (ss), both by summer. Caps on salary by year end (min-wage up, new max-wage down).

The only difficult he will run into, if there is no anarchic backlash, is he will soon run out of other people’s money.


46 posted on 04/03/2009 7:16:27 PM PDT by FlyingEagle
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To: John Leland 1789
I'm all for a third Party.
Choosing between Democrat or Republican is no choice at all.
I want term limits for all representatives of the PEOPLE in both Houses. That includes the existing term limits for the president. Which I understand that the Democratic Party lead Congress is seeking to change.
I say ride all those in D.C. supposedly representing the PEOPLE of this nation out of D.C. on a rail after we tar and feather them.
47 posted on 04/03/2009 7:16:27 PM PDT by Doc91678 (Doc91678)
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To: DTogo

I don’t belong to a party.. I’m a republican..


48 posted on 04/03/2009 7:17:25 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: John Leland 1789

I’m in. Where do I sign up?


49 posted on 04/03/2009 7:18:27 PM PDT by ataDude (My incredulity has already turned into disillusionment and is now turning into hatred.)
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To: hosepipe

I don’t need a Party, I’m a Conservative!


50 posted on 04/03/2009 7:19:33 PM PDT by DTogo (Time to bring back the Sons of Liberty.)
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