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Gingrich Warns of Conservative 3rd Party in 2012
Newsmax ^ | April 3, 2009 | Newt Gingrich

Posted on 04/03/2009 6:40:17 PM PDT by John Leland 1789

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To: John Leland 1789

The ‘Upper Crust’ - like the ‘lower’; is living it’s scare. That said; a ‘third Party’ would be the end of ‘all good men’. NO Way; IMHO; can this serve Republicans or any of America’s ‘good citizens’.


51 posted on 04/03/2009 7:21:52 PM PDT by cricket (NOOOOOOO to Serfdom. . .)
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To: John Leland 1789

Newt is working hard to reelect Obama if he starts down this road.


52 posted on 04/03/2009 7:24:01 PM PDT by o2bfree
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To: spikeytx86

Well said!! I agree completely. Forget the White House. The real power is in Congress.


53 posted on 04/03/2009 7:25:19 PM PDT by Bryanw92
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To: John Leland 1789

In this day and time we need as a whole to distance ourselves from the GOP and come up and out with a truly conservative party. The problem with the GOP is you have the main street and the wall street branches of the same party. Ronny R. was a main street and G. Bush was a wall street republican. This nation need to be returned to it right full owners and that is the public not wall street not special interest, but the every day person and the only way that your going to get that is to take the power of the purse out of the hands of a select few and back into the hands of the many. No more Omnibus bills out law them debate every thing in the budget bring it out into the open let the public see what is going on and we will quickly see who is for the people and who are for the select few of wall street and special interests.


54 posted on 04/03/2009 7:28:09 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Psalm 83:1-8 is on the horizon.)
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To: Texas Eagle
Am thinking that we cannot even be sure that there will be an Election. . .

It has come to this. Better folks; we had suffered with McCain. . .better, the 'sit-on-hands' Repubs had not; for Congressional Elections. But; since we do not have wings. . .here we are; and have to deal with it; and work and 'determine' that there is a way out. Think a 'Third Party' the worst possible option as 'solution'.

55 posted on 04/03/2009 7:28:12 PM PDT by cricket (NOOOOOOO to Serfdom. . .)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
Won't work with me either. I have written and told them so. Action is what I want to see, and thus far I have not, not on any large scale. Instead I see Romney out there praising Obama.

I want to see the Republicans stating the fact that what Zero is doing is unconstitutional, and stating it in no uncertain terms! And I want them naming names, stopping this nonsense. In fact it should never have gotten this far, but it did. They need to become masters of obstruction, and get voter photo ID at the polls passed yesterday!

They also need to stop cowering from name calling and threats.

56 posted on 04/03/2009 7:34:52 PM PDT by gidget7 (Duncan Hunter-Valley Forge Republican!)
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To: John Leland 1789

In not too many years there will be two parties - the Democrats, and their spinoff, the Partidad de la Raza.

Republicans will be a mere historical footnote, contributors to their own demise.

After amnesty and a new wave of millions of Latino immigrants (no longer illegal) there will come a point when the Hispanic demographic reaches 51%. At that time they will find they no longer need the Democrat party, they can run the country all by themselves. The irony is that first the Republicans, with their RINO pandering to Hispanics, and then the Democrats will have brought about their own downfall.

Of course the America that then results will be more like Argentina, no longer a world power and tottering between a socialist democracy and a military junta as the Latino culture prevails.

Nations die from within. You are seeing it happen here.


57 posted on 04/03/2009 7:36:46 PM PDT by oldbill
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To: DTogo

I’m down with that..


58 posted on 04/03/2009 7:39:44 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: Star Traveler
Yes, but a charismatic truthful conservative could “teach” them out of their stupor! Reagan did, just but talking common sense and pride in themselves and their country.
59 posted on 04/03/2009 7:41:01 PM PDT by gidget7 (Duncan Hunter-Valley Forge Republican!)
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To: gidget7

You said — Yes, but a charismatic truthful conservative could “teach” them out of their stupor! Reagan did, just but talking common sense and pride in themselves and their country.

Certainly... it would require someone of the stature of a “Reagan”. Can we ever get someone like that again?


60 posted on 04/03/2009 7:44:17 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: John Leland 1789

An excellent idea. What would be nice would be for the “Blue Dogs” to leave the Democrats and form their own party. We would have 4 “major” parties: Democrats (Socialists & Communists), Republicans (what remains without the Conservatives), Conservatives (us) and Moderates (Blue Dogs). That would make for some very interesting elections.


61 posted on 04/03/2009 7:49:01 PM PDT by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: John Leland 1789
Gingrich Warns of Conservative 3rd Party in 2012

Where do I go to sign up?

62 posted on 04/03/2009 7:49:45 PM PDT by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli now reads "Oil the gun..eat the cannolis.")
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To: John Leland 1789

Well then we lose in 2012 and forward. Look at this race in NY20, 10,000 votes for a third party candidate. Look at MN.. third party candidate, look at GA, third party candidate... look at Ross Perot! third party candidate! I thought Newt was smarter than this.


63 posted on 04/03/2009 7:56:29 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: John Leland 1789
The problem with the GOP is not the rank and file Republican, nor is it basic Republican Philosophy.

The problem with the GOP is the entitled elitist liberal moneyed RINOs like Chrissie Whitman of “Its my Party Too” infamy. They are basically liberal social Democrats and only support the Republicans as they view the Democrats as too radical - threats to their often inherited, not earned, wealth.

They want a Republican Party which will not rock the social boat or push culture war buttons. They want a Republican Party which will merely protect their personal affluence. In order to do so, they are willing to jettison ANY social issues which arein the least bit controversial.

Their vast wealth and connections make it very difficult to oppose these people within the framework of the Republican Party. It is as though they are alien parasitic hosts which have taken over a vulnerable body.

Gingrich is right on the mark here. Unless the GOP dumps the Steeles, the Martinezes, the Grahams, the Spectors, etc., it is finished.

64 posted on 04/03/2009 7:56:50 PM PDT by ZULU (Obamanation of Desolation is President. Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam.)
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To: Star Traveler
They are out there, many of them. Whether any of them will step up to save the country and run, who knows. Also, it is hard to break through the media wall and be heard.

People already in politics? There is Jindal, though his style needs coaching in a few basic ways. Palin is wonderful when she is allowed a mic. Flake, Pence, to name a couple others. But those two we desperately need in Congress!

Let's wait and see who the next gov of CA is, there are many possibilities. But whoever it is, needs to have some very savvy tech guys behind them, and a sense of humor to point out silliness similar to the way Reagan was able to with a charming smile! And in case people tell you otherwise, America still loves a cowboy!

65 posted on 04/03/2009 7:58:33 PM PDT by gidget7 (Duncan Hunter-Valley Forge Republican!)
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To: MAD-AS-HELL

We have needed a good Conservative Party for the last 6 years. Scrap the GOP and start over fresh with a new party, a reform party, A true conservative party. If we just stuck to the same old two party system we would still have the Whigs around. Once the Republicans were a 3rd Party. It needs to be grass roots and go for the smaller offices first—then to the national level. To lead the party we need a charismatic leader -—I think we need a war hero that is admired and trusted. We need a new set people—NO RINO RETREADS. Out symbol should be the Rattlesnake or the Raccoon, and the Pitchfork and burning torch. We want real change not talk.


66 posted on 04/03/2009 7:58:38 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: Star Traveler

The Democrats and RINO Republicans are the Same Party! They have been corrupted with big money. Today we have a single party masquerading as two competitive parties.


67 posted on 04/03/2009 8:01:31 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: I_Like_Spam

What do you mean “the GOP” the GOP didn’t elect McCain. New Hampshire is an OPEN state — worse you can show up on election day, state you “plan” to move to NH and want to vote in your new state in advance, they allow you to register and vote that same date... the parking lots were full of voters from PA, MA, NY... many crossed over and voted McCain. THEN the media all pounced, said McCain was the front-runner for the nomination (never mind that Huckabee — who I dislike BTW) had won Iowa Caucus)... next was SC and by then the sheep were all told McCain was winning and they voted for him, which sent him into Florida with a head of steam and then he twisted Martinez and Crist’s arms and turned that vote on a literal dime... after that it was all over but the shouting.... so, don’t blame this on the GOP... unless you mean the arcane voting regulations both parties have which allows this crap to happen.


68 posted on 04/03/2009 8:01:39 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Mr. Jazzy

Newt wants to be President. HE will be the 2012 Ross Perot and use whatever means he thinks will gleen him his end....


69 posted on 04/03/2009 8:02:24 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Star Traveler
>>>>>Yep, and precisely the reason why this will result in the Democrats winning from now on.... (can someone say H. Ross Perot?).... LOL...

If you look at history, you'll see that the Democrats have gotten their way for most of the last 75 years.

Other then Reagan halting the march of liberalism during the 1980`s and Newt's CWA Congress holding power and governing as conservatives for 4-5 years in the 1990`s, the GOP's moderate nominees for president and the spineless GOP Congresses during the the Bush Presidency, have had little success in stopping the liberal establishment from imposing their leftist agenda on America.

70 posted on 04/03/2009 8:03:37 PM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: DTogo
No, they and the whole party actually need to be replaced.

True!!!

71 posted on 04/03/2009 8:04:10 PM PDT by org.whodat (Auto unions bad: Machinists union good=Hypocrisy)
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To: DBrow
Newt at least has the Contract With America on his resume.

Yes, and he went right into the toilet after that one.

72 posted on 04/03/2009 8:05:49 PM PDT by org.whodat (Auto unions bad: Machinists union good=Hypocrisy)
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To: Larry Lucido
What did you do with it?

I think the number one thing he did was trade it for some fresh tail.

73 posted on 04/03/2009 8:08:05 PM PDT by org.whodat (Auto unions bad: Machinists union good=Hypocrisy)
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To: MrLee
Hell’s not freezing over... You haven't been to Fairbanks in January ;~)
74 posted on 04/03/2009 8:08:37 PM PDT by ArmyTeach ("Significant problems we face can not be solved by the same level of thinking that created them")
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To: John Leland 1789

I hope they name it the “TEA” party, LOL!


75 posted on 04/03/2009 8:09:44 PM PDT by DocRock (All they that TAKE the sword shall perish with the sword. Matthew 26:52 Gun grabbers beware.)
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To: org.whodat

Newt did do his thinking with the wrong head in some cases.


76 posted on 04/03/2009 8:11:40 PM PDT by Thumper1960 (A modern so-called "Conservative" is a shadow of a wisp of a vertebrate human being.)
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To: y'all

Time for action: Blackwell/Palin


77 posted on 04/03/2009 8:11:49 PM PDT by Cyber Ninja (His legacy is a stain OnTheDress)
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To: John Leland 1789

Third party? We don’t seem to have the numbers to take back the Republican Party!


78 posted on 04/03/2009 8:13:05 PM PDT by lonestar (Obama is turning Bush's "mess" into a catastrophe.)
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To: OnTheDress

Make that Palin/Blackwell and you got a deal.


79 posted on 04/03/2009 8:14:04 PM PDT by Crim
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To: spikeytx86
Now a third party that focused on only wining seats in the house and senate would be far more effective.

Now there is someone who understands. Regionalism is in some places stronger than Nationalism. The Globalists hate both of them.

I cannot believe that we are seeing another attempt at the garbage that Woodrow Wilson tried to pull off.

But this time it is lead by a committed Commie, and his globalist fiends who intend to destroy the U.S. citizen's freedom forever.

80 posted on 04/03/2009 8:15:33 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: SoCalPol

Right now, if a Democrat wins, you have have a Democrat in office. If a Republican wins, you still have a Democrat in office under the name of Republican.

How many true Republicans can we name who will run for the presidency in 2012?


81 posted on 04/03/2009 8:25:47 PM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: gidget7
Goodness, it might actually COST them something!

This is the problem in a nutshell!

82 posted on 04/03/2009 8:34:17 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: Crim

Nope, Palin/Jindal 2020

Jindal/??? 2028

Long term, baby, long term.


83 posted on 04/03/2009 8:37:17 PM PDT by Cyber Ninja (His legacy is a stain OnTheDress)
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To: SoCalPol
Unless you want to loose to the Democrats.

If they don't get their stuff together, the Republicans will lose and go the way of the Whigs anyway. Remember, the Democrat Party was designed for winning elections. They take on whatever ideology seems appropriate, although to some extent they are split as well, the left over hippies and the machine pols. They make good partners, one has ideas, bad ones of course, but ideas, the other just wants to win.

Obummer is a hybrid of the two.

84 posted on 04/03/2009 8:38:55 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: John Leland 1789

Conservatism is screwed, no matter which option is seriously tried! If the conservatives truly leave the GOP, then leftists win most political offices by even larger numbers than before, because when the choices are: Democrats, “A Non-Conservative” GOP, and Conservatives, the non-conservatives have a 2-to-1 political advantage over conservatives! If the conservatives decide to continue to stay in the GOP, then all of the non-conservatives in the GOP will still, more often than not, continue to not practice conservatism and greatly dilute the conservative wing of the GOP! There’s no easy, short-term way out of this, at least for the next several years! There will still be pockets of conservatism that do well in parts of the U.S., but, at the same time, everything that leftists throughout the entire U.S. are still doing to gain even more power for the long-term is also successfully being put into place. Leftists worldwide are successfully continuing to: “dumb down” the general public on all of the issues, while also continuing with their political bias in the worldwide MSM and political bias in the worldwide entertainment industry; and practice political indoctrination in schools at every level worldwide. All of this is a ongoing worldwide problem, and not just a U.S. problem! Until conservatives, at the worldwide level, can seriously and successfully come together to the point where a majority of worldwide conservatives really are on the same, exact pages about what to do to successfully become a political majority throughout the entire world, worldwide leftist politics will remain a dominant political force for awhile, if not forever!


85 posted on 04/03/2009 8:40:01 PM PDT by johnthebaptistmoore (Conservatives obey the rules. Leftists cheat. Who probably has the political advantage?)
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To: John Leland 1789

It’s called Ameria’s Independent Party http://www.selfgovernment.us/ and http://www.aipnews.com


86 posted on 04/03/2009 8:41:47 PM PDT by TBP
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To: Larry Lucido
Newt, you created a conservative second party in 1994. What did you do with it?

I guess you missed the ceaseless attacks on Newt, both political and personal. The Personal Stuff would have been inconsequential if he'd been, say, Bill Clinton. But he was a Republican.

They demonized Newt just as much as George W. Bush was demonized, but Newt had no 9-11 performance to save his a$$.

87 posted on 04/03/2009 8:44:18 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: SoCalPol

Your Republibot scare tactics aren’t working aqnymore.


88 posted on 04/03/2009 8:44:24 PM PDT by TBP
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To: John Leland 1789

If you don’t care to support the only Conservative who can beat Obama, Gov. Sarah Palin, enjoy your Obama


89 posted on 04/03/2009 8:44:54 PM PDT by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: John Leland 1789

Suits me, so long as it’s pro-life.


90 posted on 04/03/2009 8:50:01 PM PDT by LifeComesFirst (Until the unborn are free, nobody is free)
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To: John Leland 1789

Obviously to myself, but allow me to add . . .

Right now in the Indiana 9th CongDist there are two young men planning runs to throw Baron Hill out, and obviously he needs being thrown out!

One is Todd Young, the other Travis Hankins. The GOP will probably back Todd Young (I’m guessing at this point), but I smell compromise all over him.

The GOP will probably shun Travis Hankins even though here is the true old-fashioned conservative. He’s just too clear about what he is, what he believes, and how he became a conservative. Hankins is the much more clear heir of Ronald Reagan.

It appears that Todd Young has worked for and is working for the power elite in Orange County and the 9th CongDist. But we need no more of that. We need people of a much simpler nature with truest of ideals.

Some here have mentioned their work in the GOP in their CongDists. That is what is needed, as well as simply knocking on doors in our own neighborhoods (before ACORN does!).

But when we see candidates backed in our districts just because they are beloved of the power-elite, we’ve got to jump on the box and tell them that we see what is happening. We’ve got to quit sending to Washington the people who are just going to get along and so compromise.


91 posted on 04/03/2009 8:50:18 PM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: spikeytx86
A Conservative third party would never win the presidency, and practically guarantee the Democrats wining every time by splitting the center right vote between the GOP candidate and the Third Party candidate.

Isn't that funny? That's exactly what was siad about the new Republican Party about 150 years ago.

92 posted on 04/03/2009 8:51:56 PM PDT by TBP
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To: TBP

So you plan to leave the U.S. when Obama has a 2nd term
or do you plan to stay and enjoy your fruits of stupidity


93 posted on 04/03/2009 8:54:26 PM PDT by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: eeriegeno

Read the platform of America’s Independent Party.


94 posted on 04/03/2009 8:55:23 PM PDT by TBP
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To: John Leland 1789
How many true Republicans can we name who will run for the presidency in 2012?

LOL, good question??

95 posted on 04/03/2009 9:14:33 PM PDT by org.whodat (Auto unions bad: Machinists union good=Hypocrisy)
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To: OnTheDress

When in doubt sell grass!!!


96 posted on 04/03/2009 9:15:40 PM PDT by org.whodat (Auto unions bad: Machinists union good=Hypocrisy)
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To: org.whodat

High?


97 posted on 04/03/2009 9:18:39 PM PDT by Cyber Ninja (His legacy is a stain OnTheDress)
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To: MAD-AS-HELL

The US as we know and love it will be long gone before a third party can do anything other than hurt the GOP and help the rats.I would like to see the rats out of power.


98 posted on 04/03/2009 9:26:06 PM PDT by Big Horn (Rebuild the GOP to a conservative party)
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To: John Leland 1789; El Gato; Larry Lucido; TBP; johnthebaptistmoore; SWAMPSNIPER; Texas Fossil; ...
Gingrich predicted that “fed up” Americans will instigate a “nationwide rebellion at the polls,” and said the increased government spending under Obama is “literally irrational.”

Gingrich syndrome is causing many Freepers to misunderstand what Newt is saying. It is not fair to criticize him for attempting to break up the Republican Party so he can lead a third-party into the presidency. That is not what he is saying here. He's pointing the way to a potential Republican victory: abandon moderation for fiscal discipline. In other words, opose Obama. He warns, and quite rightly so, that if this warning is not heeded the likely result is the breakup of the party. One need only read through these posts to understand that there is a significant block of Republicans who are ready to bolt the party on this issue. Even though I have often posted that it is only prudent to exploit the party resources rather than to junk it, there comes a time when principle must prevail over pragmatism. Many, many conservatives crossed that line somewhere around 2006.

I have often posted that the only lesson we learned from the election disaster of 2008 is that we learn nothing from the election of 2006. Gingrich is telling us what the lesson is. If we fail to heed this manifestly true analysis, the breakup of the party is inevitable.

I am not going to criticize Gingrich for what he is not reported to have said in this article. But mere fiscal discipline alone is only one leg of the party stool. Social conservatives and defense minded conservatives make up the other two legs without which the stool crashes. I do not know from this article where Gingrich stands on supporting social conservatism. From his other remarks in which he has identified many issues which he has polled to be socially conservative "winners," I have confidence that it will be satisfactory to that wing of the party, of which I count myself a member.

Gingrich has been implicitly criticized by posters on this thread for ambition. They ask, for what purpose does Gingrich seek to lead a third-party into the White House? That is a question every national candidate must answer and the true answer is that it is because he thinks his ideas are better. Ask yourself, for what reason did George W. Bush seek the presidency? I have often posted on this subject and the most charitable that I can be toward Bush is that he sought the office out of a sense of noblisse oblige and Christian service. He did not seek it to advance conservative principles. Those of us who thought otherwise were harshly disillusioned. Many disillusionments came with the appointment of Harriet Miers. Knowing what I know of Gingrich's bona fides as a conservative, I would rather have him in power than any other plausible Republican I can think of, including Sarah Palin whom I adore.

I have been touting Gingrich to become the chairman of the Republican National Committee since before the election of Michael Steele who, as I predicted, has become a walking disaster. I have often said that Newt Gingrich, because of problems in his biography which have been greatly overblown, is probably personally disqualified to be the candidate of the Republican Party for president. That would not be the case in the Democrat party and might not be the case in a third-party. But he would make a great chairman of the Republican Party.

Consider the way he has put his finger on the beating heart of American politics right now. Consider how he has articulated the matter:“It is just literally irrational.” Obama's spending is "irrational." You won't forget that, it says it all. Gingrich is the only man in the Republican Party today who can identify issues and articulate a convincing conservative message. I say again, the only man publicly known who can do those two functions without which we fail again in 2010 and in 2012.

If conservatism fails, it means more than that Obama wins, it means the nation is bankrupted, our democracy is compromised and perhaps even destroyed, it means that your children will inherit a shabby, dreary existence with nothing to feed upon spiritually or intellectually but a diet of political correctness, and an utter forfeiture of their American Birthright.

Those who object to Gingrich have an obligation to put forward the name of a better candidate either for chairman of the party or for president. I think those names should be advanced only if the supporter can show that in a time of acute national and party crisis their candidate can seize the moment at a time of utter peril, akin to Churchill in 1940, re-organize a party, generate hundreds of millions of dollars in contributions, identify the message, and "hurl the English language into battle" against Obama.


99 posted on 04/03/2009 10:55:33 PM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: El Gato

Gingrich’s third parties already exist, but he wants an even more special third party that will finally unite the right into a reconquering force. Well, of course he does. By sheer coincidence, my friend’s daughter wants a pony.

If our voting system were based on an instant runoff, or approval voting, or Condorcet, or anything other than what it actually is based on, Gingrich might have a point. But it’s not, and the Republicans won’t let that happen any more than the Democrats will.

The right’s only chance in the medium term is to reach out to those of us of a more libertarian persuasion. We are not out of reach, but we’ve been pushed aside for too long in favor of social conservatism and fundamentalist fervor. No matter how much we might support limited government, we haven’t been offered anything like it recently by the Republican Party. On top of that, we’ve been forced to accept attacks on our gay friends and neighbors, an endlessly invasive drug war that has done at least as much damage to the Bill of Rights as anything the second-amendment defenders have been forced to endure, and just to add comedy to injury, Governor Palin.

This should be fun. State your platform, Mr. Gingrich, and let’s see if that dog will hunt.


100 posted on 04/03/2009 11:00:42 PM PDT by raffish
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