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Obama backs Turkey for EU but France says no
Reuters UK | April 5, 2009 | Reuters

Posted on 04/05/2009 8:24:46 AM PDT by VRWCTexan

...Obama urged the European Union on Sunday to accept Turkey as a full member of the 27-nation bloc...Obama told the summit..."Moving forward towards Turkish membership in the EU would be an important signal of your (EU) commitment to this agenda and ensure that we continue to anchor Turkey firmly in Europe,"


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KEYWORDS: bho44; bhoeu; bhovisit; france; nato; turkey
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Sarkozy said it was up to the EU member states to decide on Turkish entry and reiterated his opposition. "I have always been opposed to this entry,"...My position hasn't changed and it won't change," he said.
1 posted on 04/05/2009 8:24:46 AM PDT by VRWCTexan
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To: VRWCTexan
Yesterday we were told that the great negotiator obama managed to get Turkey to withdraw their strong opposition to having the Prime Minister of Denmark take over as head of NATO...

Today we see what obama promised the Turks in return - and despite all the medial hype - once again obama was told by France, Germany, etc to basically buzz off

2 posted on 04/05/2009 8:27:57 AM PDT by VRWCTexan (History has a long memory - but still repeats itself)
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To: VRWCTexan

sorry mr Obama but since when does the USA have a vote in the EU????


3 posted on 04/05/2009 8:28:11 AM PDT by Jonny foreigner
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To: VRWCTexan

People are surprised? Turkey is 99% muslim.


4 posted on 04/05/2009 8:29:17 AM PDT by RC2
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To: VRWCTexan
I see a pattern:

Obama = Muslim
Turkey = Muslim Nation

5 posted on 04/05/2009 8:29:38 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (http://isportsdigest.tripod.com)
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To: Jonny foreigner

Just wait a few months and obama, with dem backing, will have the US applying for full membership in the EU


6 posted on 04/05/2009 8:29:46 AM PDT by VRWCTexan (History has a long memory - but still repeats itself)
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To: VRWCTexan

Obama is the laughing stock of the world.


7 posted on 04/05/2009 8:30:04 AM PDT by Ancient Drive (will)
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To: RC2

austria allso stated long long ago that it would Veto turkey anytime.


8 posted on 04/05/2009 8:31:11 AM PDT by Jonny foreigner
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To: Cowboy Bob

Obama’s words:

“The United States and Europe must approach Muslims as our friends, neighbours and partners in fighting injustice, intolerance and violence, forging a relationship based on mutual respect and mutual interests,” Obama told the summit.”


9 posted on 04/05/2009 8:31:32 AM PDT by VRWCTexan (History has a long memory - but still repeats itself)
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To: VRWCTexan

Europe will very quickly be overrun with hordes of muslims (as if it isn’t already) passing thru the Turkish gateway if it is established......this is what obomma the muslim and his “king” abdulla want........


10 posted on 04/05/2009 8:32:28 AM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68 (CALL CONGRESSCRITTERS TOLL-FREE @ 1-800-965-4701)
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To: VRWCTexan

“Obama backs Turkey for EU but France says no”

Ummm..., France says *no* — because they know where a lot of those Muslims from Turkey will end up... LOL...

Obama says, “yes” because he doesn’t care that Turkey’s Muslims will flood Europe...


11 posted on 04/05/2009 8:35:36 AM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: VRWCTexan

The ManShariaian candidatde for the Saudis. Elected with $700 million in middle eastern and african money so American taxpayers can be stuck with trillions in debt to these coming overlords along with the Chinese masters.


12 posted on 04/05/2009 8:36:26 AM PDT by Frantzie (Boycott GE - they own NBC, MSNBC, CNBC & Universal. Boycott Disney - they own ABC)
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To: Star Traveler

Analysis: Obama visit to Turkey no afterthought
By STEVEN R. HURST – 1 hour ago

Turkey is the only predominantly Muslim country in NATO, an alliance stalwart and America’s best friend in the Islamic world. Obama, completing a European trip, arrives Sunday and undoubtedly will reprise his message from a town hall meeting Friday in France....

In talks with Turkey’s president, Abdullah Gul, and prime minister, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, Obama will try to sell his strategy for Afghanistan and Pakistan. He should find welcoming ears, given the new U.S. focus on melding troop increases with civilian efforts to better the lives of people in both countries.

“Obama may be able to create momentum for help from a broader sector of nominal U.S. allies in the Muslim world,” said Jeffrey Martinson, a historian and political scientist at Meredith College in North Carolina.

“The fact that he’s visiting the Turks at the end of this major European trip is a nice homage to them,” Martinson said,

The new president has pushed for Muslim diplomacy.

In his inaugural address in January, Obama assured the Muslim world that “we will extend a hand if you are willing to unclench your fist.” He has made early telephone calls to friendly Arab leaders and sent special envoy George J. Mitchell to the Middle East on a “listening tour.”

Obama’s declaration that he will close the prison for suspected terrorists Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, was seen as a move to address a chief source of ill will among Muslim nations since Sept. 11.

Obama’s father and stepfather were Muslim and he spent part of his childhood in Indonesia, a largely Muslim country. Throughout the campaign, Obama, who is Christian, fought false Internet rumors that he is a Muslim.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hzyewfNjiDk_yZt1VMQODFw4sywAD97CBSD00


13 posted on 04/05/2009 8:38:21 AM PDT by VRWCTexan (History has a long memory - but still repeats itself)
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To: VRWCTexan; SumProVita; HardStarboard; BradyLS; Ernest_at_the_Beach; dervish; Twotone; ...
It's a new week!

The List, ping

14 posted on 04/05/2009 8:40:18 AM PDT by Nachum (the complete list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: VRWCTexan

http://uk.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUKTRE5341PL20090405


15 posted on 04/05/2009 8:40:46 AM PDT by Nachum (the complete list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Jonny foreigner
sorry mr Obama but since when does the USA have a vote in the EU????

Exactly - it's not our business. Not even remotely.

This clown will assuredly go to bat for every Muslim country, no matter what.

16 posted on 04/05/2009 8:41:18 AM PDT by Charles Martel ("Endeavor to persevere...")
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To: Star Traveler

Ummm..., France says *no* — because they know where a lot of those Muslims from Turkey will end up... LOL...

Obama says, “yes” because he doesn’t care that Turkey’s Muslims will flood Europe...


believe me many european countries (including mine) are allready overun by muslim turks without Turkey beeing a EU member. if Turkey really would join then we finaly could rename for example Vienna into “New Istanbul”... Sorry Mr. Obama this is really not your buisness nor have you anything to say in this case.


17 posted on 04/05/2009 8:41:20 AM PDT by Jonny foreigner
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To: Jonny foreigner
Could that have something to do with the recent (1683) unpleasantness in Vienna?

austria allso stated long long ago that it would Veto turkey anytime.

18 posted on 04/05/2009 8:42:11 AM PDT by Ready4Freddy ("Everyone knows there's a difference between Muslims and terrorists. No one knows what it is, tho...)
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To: VRWCTexan

Well, it’s easy for Obama to express his opinion for the *results* of what will happen in “France’s backyard”.... LOL...

It’s France and Europe that will have to live with the consequences of it...

But, as I see it, Turkey is going to be turned away from the EU (more or less “permanently”) and Turkey will finally move more solidly over into the Islamic world, after having tried to become more “westernized” over the last few decades. Turkey will end up giving up on this and instead of becoming more westernized, they will become more “Islamisized” instead — and move towards the radical end of Islam....


19 posted on 04/05/2009 8:42:41 AM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: Ready4Freddy

Could that have something to do with the recent (1683) unpleasantness in Vienna?


lol maybe... but it could allso have to do with the fact that some districts of our cities do allready look more like a oriental bazar than a western European City.


20 posted on 04/05/2009 8:47:20 AM PDT by Jonny foreigner
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To: VRWCTexan

http://uk.reuters.com/news/pictures/articleslideshow?articleId=UKTRE5341PL20090405&channelName=worldNews#a=1

Maybe some one can post this obama photo!!?


21 posted on 04/05/2009 8:50:00 AM PDT by VRWCTexan (History has a long memory - but still repeats itself)
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To: VRWCTexan

A few years ago there was talk of cyprus begin admitted to the EU. What ever happened to that? There was some dispute over whether cyprus was part of turkey or not, as I remember.


22 posted on 04/05/2009 8:51:14 AM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: Star Traveler

ottoman ottoman ottoman...........they (islam, not just turks) will never repeat never give up the fantasy and goal of resurrecting it......the ottoman empire was the greatest progress ever in the history of jihad/da’wa....the goal has never changed, which is why the muslim brotherhood was formed immediately after ottoman was smashed......


23 posted on 04/05/2009 8:51:24 AM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68 (CALL CONGRESSCRITTERS TOLL-FREE @ 1-800-965-4701)
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To: VRWCTexan

Obama - the closet Muslim - will ALWAYS stand with the Muslims.

France has finally found their balls - due to the Muslims squeezing them.


24 posted on 04/05/2009 8:53:31 AM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

The “caliphate” is what al Qaida and other dedicated Muslims are working on...


25 posted on 04/05/2009 8:53:47 AM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: VRWCTexan

Jimmah Catuh with a suntan!


26 posted on 04/05/2009 8:55:01 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: VRWCTexan

Turkey will never be admitted to the EU. And France is not the only one standing in its way.


27 posted on 04/05/2009 8:55:50 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Star Traveler

that is exactly what the ottoman empire was.....this word game crap is all taqiyya.....


28 posted on 04/05/2009 8:56:51 AM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68 (CALL CONGRESSCRITTERS TOLL-FREE @ 1-800-965-4701)
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To: Charles Martel
Bush urged the same thing. President Bush Expresses Support To Turkey’s EU Bid At EU Summit
29 posted on 04/05/2009 8:58:46 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

True

However I salute Sarkozy for being quick (first?) to tell obama to butt out!


30 posted on 04/05/2009 8:58:50 AM PDT by VRWCTexan (History has a long memory - but still repeats itself)
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To: VRWCTexan

France opposed the admittance of Turkey before Sarkozy every became the PM. Nothing has changed.


31 posted on 04/05/2009 9:00:47 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

You said — “that is exactly what the ottoman empire was.....this word game crap is all taqiyya.....”

Yes, I do know what Takiyya is... LOL... and that’s precisely why I used the word, “caliphate” instead of “Ottoman Empire”. I consider the caliphate to be the worst of all evils and would probably prefer the Ottoman Empire instead... :-)

At least the Ottoman Empire was looking out for its own interests and keep the Islamics under control. In a caliphate, it would be the destruction of all the “governments” of the region, and being remade into a Islamic-sharia-law governed entity, with designs and resources to take over the entire world — with none of the rationality or self-preservation of an “Ottoman Empire”...


32 posted on 04/05/2009 9:01:44 AM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: mamelukesabre

A few years ago there was talk of cyprus begin admitted to the EU. What ever happened to that? There was some dispute over whether cyprus was part of turkey or not, as I remember.


the Greek part of cyprus is a EU member


33 posted on 04/05/2009 9:04:29 AM PDT by Jonny foreigner
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To: Ancient Drive

“obama is the laughing stock of the world”

Kinda fits the kenyan clown title.


34 posted on 04/05/2009 9:09:06 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: Star Traveler

well maybe you and I have a different take on the ottomans history in europe, then, but we more or less agree on contemporaneous stuff.....omomma envisions abdulla as the caliph-to-be these days, and himself as the “organizer” of the surrender-monkeys


35 posted on 04/05/2009 9:13:39 AM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68 (CALL CONGRESSCRITTERS TOLL-FREE @ 1-800-965-4701)
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To: VRWCTexan

Why should the President of the United States care what nations are members of the European Union—other than to know those are (some of) the nations against which the United States must compete. I included the “some of” because those nations, particularly those in Western Europe, will likely not be in the first tier of nations against whom we will be competing in twenty years.


36 posted on 04/05/2009 9:14:14 AM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel
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To: VRWCTexan
Who did not see this coming?

The question is:
“Shall we accept an islamic nation into the EU?”

and don't split hairs about legalities - it is an islamic nation with some curbs on islam’s more egregious behaviours. For now

The President of American is a Kenyan named Hussein.

What did anyone think that the position of anyone named Hussein would be?

37 posted on 04/05/2009 9:16:33 AM PDT by bill1952 (Power is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: MIchaelTArchangel
This stupid stunt by obama was (IMO) a small payback to Turkey for agreeing just yesterday to withdraw their objections to the Danish Prime minister becoming the new head of NATO - thus avoiding what could have become a major split -

... that plus obama’s insistence that muslim nations need to be bowed down to

38 posted on 04/05/2009 9:18:08 AM PDT by VRWCTexan (History has a long memory - but still repeats itself)
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To: MIchaelTArchangel
Why should the President of the United States care ...

Oh please. We do not need another 200 million outright enemies with advanced nukes.

39 posted on 04/05/2009 9:19:22 AM PDT by bill1952 (Power is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: VRWCTexan

Obama was just restating the US position, which has been in place since the Bush 43 administration. Obama hasn’t changed a thing.


40 posted on 04/05/2009 9:20:16 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
Quote: “Obama hasn’t changed a thing.”....?

Sorry I dare to differ -

...obama’s socialist agenda and “surrender monkey” proclivities when it comes to pursuit of a war against global islamic terrorism - and hence his actions and statements on the world stage has changed almost everything in terms of America's future - Please - Be my guest - continue to bury your head in the sand

41 posted on 04/05/2009 9:26:17 AM PDT by VRWCTexan (History has a long memory - but still repeats itself)
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To: kabar

Barack Obama’s New World Order
By Michael Scherer / Strasbourg Friday, Apr. 03, 2009

Most of the hallmarks of the foreign policy of George W. Bush are gone. The old conservative idea of “American exceptionalism,” which placed the U.S. on a plane above the rest of the world as a unique beacon of democracy and financial might, has been rejected. At almost every stop, Obama has made clear that the U.S. is but one actor in a global community.

Talk of American economic supremacy has been replaced by a call from Obama for more growth in developing countries. Claims of American military supremacy have been replaced with heavy emphasis on cooperation and diplomatic hard labor.

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1889512,00.html


42 posted on 04/05/2009 9:30:18 AM PDT by VRWCTexan (History has a long memory - but still repeats itself)
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To: VRWCTexan

What does that have to do with Obama supporting Turkey’s entrance into the EU, the same policy as the Bush administration’s?


43 posted on 04/05/2009 9:38:27 AM PDT by kabar
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To: VRWCTexan

Ibn al’0bama is more transparent to the Euros than he is to US citizens. They KNOW he is a muzsymp who wants nothing more than to have millions more muzzies flock to Europe through the open Turkish door.

France and England know the problems they bring with them. No thanks, is just awfully polite diplomatic language for Bleep Off Obama.


44 posted on 04/05/2009 9:39:42 AM PDT by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: VRWCTexan
You are missing the point. This thread is about Obama backing Turkey's entrance into the EU. This is not a change in US foreign policy. You are going off on a tangent.
45 posted on 04/05/2009 9:40:45 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Cowboy Bob; All

Don’t kid yourself. This is just a continuation of Bush’s policy.

He was also pushing for Turkey joining the EU.


46 posted on 04/05/2009 9:46:35 AM PDT by MetaThought
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To: Star Traveler

I have spent some time in Turkey and interviewed Turkish businessmen. This is THE Muslim nation that could change the world for the better. Turks see entrepreneurship, world class education, and economic growth as major forces in Turkish life. I have worked with Turkish academics and they strive and succeed as excellent examples not only to Turks but to American and other intellectuals. They have their own terrorist problems to deal with and live in a sometimes tense world between the Black Sea and Greece. There is a world of difference between Turkey and Iran or Syria. I even met Israeli businessmen operating in Istanbul. Don’t reject Turkey because they are Muslim—Turkey could be the key to a better future for both West and East.

But, don’t for a second do I think BO knows what he’s doing. If BO was guiding the entry of Turkey, I believe he would set Turkey AND the EU back. He appeals to the retrograde elements around the world, not the forward and freedom-loving peoples. Turkey would be well advised to eye his support warily.

To those Europeans who have had problems with Turkish immigrants, I note that those immigrants may be the same folks who flood Istanbul and cause the same problems in Turkey. Turkey itself has as similar problem as France or Germany.

Just my observations—no insults intended.


47 posted on 04/05/2009 9:55:00 AM PDT by iacovatx (If you must lie to recruit to your cause, you are fighting for the wrong side.)
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To: iacovatx

Well, you might be right about Turkey, as it made great efforts to be “westernized” and was expecting to be admitted into the EU. But, that “time” for it to have been done (I think) has passed and Turkey appears to be moving the wrong way now. It’s backing off of the advances that it has made in the past and it’s moving to be more like Iran than like another EU nation (although it’s got a long ways to go before it’s “Islamisized” like Iran... LOL...).

I couldn’t say for sure because I’ve never been over there. But, the Bible does indicate that Turkey will be in the confederation of nations that attack Israel in the future, which sort of indicates to me that it won’t be getting into the EU, and will be moving more solidly towards those other Islamic nations in the Middle East.


48 posted on 04/05/2009 10:00:00 AM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: iacovatx

The Islamic fundamentalists are increasing their influence in Turkey, including the government. It is becoming less Westernized as a result. I will also remind you that it was Turkey that stopped the US 4th ID from entering Iraq from the north transiting Turkey.


49 posted on 04/05/2009 10:11:17 AM PDT by kabar
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To: VRWCTexan

Give me a break. Americans don’t bow down to King Abdulla or any other one. We also don’t touch the Queen of England unless with greeting hands. What slobs. Sarkozy’s wife doesnt like Mrs. Obama and Angela Merkel from Germany threw cold water on a plan to add more money to the IMF. Germany doesnt want the hyper-inflation that brought the NAZIs into power ever again.


50 posted on 04/05/2009 10:11:21 AM PDT by BobS
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