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America 'to slash military spending'
Telegraph (U.K.) ^ | April 5, 2009 | Alex Spillius

Posted on 04/05/2009 1:52:31 PM PDT by Schnucki

Robert Gates, the US defence secretary, will on Monday offer proposals to slash spending on major military projects in what aides called a "fundamental shift in direction".

Mr Gates, who spent the weekend finalising his budget plans for 2010, is expected to take aim at several major weapons conventional warfare programmes, in favour of spending on technologies more useful to the "asymmetrical" wars that US forces are embroiled in.

After eight years in which the defence budget doubled, and with the economy in deep recession, Mr Gates is targeting systems that have gone way over both budget and schedule.

The proposals are however subject to approval by Congress and will face opposition from Republican senators arguing that cutting military hardware development will hit American workers hardest.

Projects likely to be scaled back or scrapped include the army's $150 billion Future Combat Systems, which would combine manned and unmanned ground vehicles and aerial drones acting in sync. Field tests began last year but the system's hi-tech communications have been beset by difficulties.

Mr Gates has signalled that the air force's demands for more F-22 stealth fighter jets are unlikely to be granted, pointing out that highly regarded plane "has not performed a single mission in either theatre" of Afghanistan or Iraq.

He is also considering cutting one of the navy's 11 aircraft carriers and a new $20 billion satellite programme that would fill any gaps in current coverage of the globe's surface. With almost every major project under review, President Barack Obama has even suggested that the upgrading of his Marine One helicopter fleet could be delayed.

"These are not changes to the margins. This is a fundamental shift in direction," said the Pentagon press secretary, Geoff Morrell.

Mr Gates's plans would still increase the Pentagon's regular budget by four per

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government
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1 posted on 04/05/2009 1:52:32 PM PDT by Schnucki
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To: Schnucki
But we have plenty of money for banker's bonuses and illegals...
2 posted on 04/05/2009 1:54:43 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Schnucki

I am surprised it took this long for the Obama admin to put this out there. This is Jimmy Carter admin all over again.


3 posted on 04/05/2009 1:59:25 PM PDT by WildWeasel
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To: Schnucki

Socialism/communism coming at us like a freight train.


4 posted on 04/05/2009 1:59:43 PM PDT by rodguy911 (HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE--GO SARAHCUDA !!)
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To: 2banana

I don’t have much of a problem w/ that....I’m sure there is a LOT of wasteful spending @ the Pentagon. I just wish that the $ would be used to help pay off the national debt or be given back to the taxpayers rather than being shifted to other liberal causes.


5 posted on 04/05/2009 2:01:35 PM PDT by ChrisInAR (The Tenth Amendment is still the Supreme Law of the Land, folks -- start enforcing it for a CHANGE!)
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To: Schnucki

That explains the partying going in in numerous caves in Afghanistan and Pakistan...


6 posted on 04/05/2009 2:03:51 PM PDT by EscapedDutch (Counting down to 01-20-2013.)
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To: Schnucki
Hope they get a good deal on slingshots for Lieberman's 30,000 new troops [s/o].

Liberals have neither the ability, nor desire, to either understand, relate to, or support the US military, even when they've been in it [Carter]. For a socialist/Fascist street hustler like Il Douche, it's even worse. Lord, help us in the world. Our leadership won't.

7 posted on 04/05/2009 2:04:39 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: rodguy911

Socialism/communism coming at us like a freight train.”

what kind of communism? The Soviet and N. Korean styles certainly never involved “cuts in military spending”. Quite the opposite.


8 posted on 04/05/2009 2:05:42 PM PDT by Longdriver
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To: 2banana
THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION, Preamble:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
[emphasis added]

Kind of "staggers" the mind, that more than two-thirds of the Obama administration's Federal budget has nothing to with anything in the US Constitution, but the one part that is for a purpose specifically enunciated in the very first paragraph gets cut, doesn't it?
9 posted on 04/05/2009 2:06:30 PM PDT by Lucky Dog
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To: Schnucki

Fortunately, all those high paided aviation workers have a fall back. There are plenty of shovels and wheelbarrels available and lotsa pot holes to fill.


10 posted on 04/05/2009 2:08:02 PM PDT by Young Werther (Julius Caesar (Quae Cum Ita Sunt. Since these things are so.))
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To: Schnucki
He is also considering cutting one of the navy's 11 aircraft carriers

We need 20.

11 posted on 04/05/2009 2:08:17 PM PDT by Jim Noble (They are willing to kill for socialism...but not to die for it.)
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To: Schnucki

Once he rids us of high tech, high effectiveness, and force multiplier weapons, then it won’t be asymmetrical warfare anymore. It will be our shooters vs their shooters, and we know that they are willing to sustain much higher casualties than we are.


12 posted on 04/05/2009 2:10:23 PM PDT by Bryanw92
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To: Schnucki

And, I suspect, the Chicoms are cutting way back on their spending too/sarc.


13 posted on 04/05/2009 2:12:30 PM PDT by Signalman
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To: Schnucki

Like we didn’t know this was coming.


14 posted on 04/05/2009 2:14:06 PM PDT by TheBattman
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To: Schnucki

The message to despots: America is about to disarm and bend over, so have a go at her!


15 posted on 04/05/2009 2:14:39 PM PDT by Trod Upon (Obama: Making the Carter malaise look good. Misery Index in 3...2...1)
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To: Bobkk47

Generals always fight the last war. High tech force multipliers like the F-22 will be essential when we face a real nation with real technology, such as China. More important, they may make it unnecessary for us to fight a real nation, like China.


16 posted on 04/05/2009 2:18:00 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: Schnucki

The Kenyan cur intends to destroy our military.


17 posted on 04/05/2009 2:20:00 PM PDT by snowsislander (NRA -- join today! 1-877-NRA-2000)
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To: Schnucki

Definitely a repeat of clintoonian era that produced 911. To be expected with the same rehash of clintoons running the country.


18 posted on 04/05/2009 2:21:59 PM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: Trod Upon

The same thing happened when The Peanut Man took over and cut way back on the military and defense spending. Many civilian defense programs were cut way back and our military was decimated. We were in a dangerous situation.

Then Reagan came in and built back our Defense programs. It cost a lot of money an the deficit shot up but it was necessary and it ultimately led to the defeat of the Ruskies in the Cold War.


19 posted on 04/05/2009 2:22:01 PM PDT by Signalman
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To: Schnucki
Quick, cut the funding to those unmanned vehicles. If there is one thing we can learn from Hollywood its that in the future robots will kill us all.

Funny how liberals are so compassionate up until the point that spending a few dollars on a robotic vehicle saves some poor private from crawling into a cave to knock on Osama's door.

20 posted on 04/05/2009 2:24:22 PM PDT by douginthearmy (Until I get the proper order at the drive-thru, the unemployment rate is too LOW!)
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To: snowsislander

The replies here, suggests that even Republicans are big government ppl. We’re in a difficult economic position at moment and military NEEDS a cut. Spending cuts needs to be across the board. Theres no need to maintain Cold War spending levels. Theres no need for big military equipment


21 posted on 04/05/2009 2:25:03 PM PDT by 4rcane
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To: Bryanw92

zactly


22 posted on 04/05/2009 2:25:45 PM PDT by douginthearmy (Until I get the proper order at the drive-thru, the unemployment rate is too LOW!)
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To: ChrisInAR
"I don’t have much of a problem w/ that....I’m sure there is a LOT of wasteful spending @ the Pentagon."

You've got to be kidding. Wasteful spending is everywhere in the government, and it doesn't bother you that the only place where they're talking about cutting it is in the DoD? Not to mention that a liberal's "wasteful spending" are weapons programs that may very well save all our a**es one day?

If "wasteful spending" is going to happen, I'd rather it happen in the Pentagon than anywhere else. And if you're going to cut "wasteful spending", start somewhere else first, like say the the departments of Education, HHS, Commerce, etc. DoD is the last department that should take budget cuts!

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

23 posted on 04/05/2009 2:27:20 PM PDT by wku man (Who says conservatives don't rock? Go to www.myspace.com/rockfromtheright)
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To: Schnucki

America ‘to slash military spending’

No America is not slashing military spending. Our Idiot President who is to stupid to understand that he is presiding over the most dangerous time America has ever faced is slashing military spending.
There is a difference thought the result(a weakermore in trouble America) remains the same.


24 posted on 04/05/2009 2:27:54 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Coming to You From the Front Lines of Occupied America)
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To: Schnucki

This is where the rubber meets the road. The US must have the capability to project power anyplace in the world in a reasonable time frame. We absolutely must be able to maintain control of the sea against any adversary or group of adversaries. The US depends on imports.

The real problem which this budget uncovers is that a leaders mistake will be paid for in the blood of our children and grandchildren. We must maintain our military strength and capabilities. Prepare for the worst; hope for the best. One thing which the world understands in strength.


25 posted on 04/05/2009 2:28:39 PM PDT by Citizen Tom Paine (Sun Tzu "The Art of War")
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To: snowsislander

You mean our country.


26 posted on 04/05/2009 2:35:37 PM PDT by autumnraine (Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose- Kris Kristoferrson VIVA LA REVOLUTION!)
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To: Schnucki; All

Well duh. (Not you, Schnucki.)

If you Europeanize the USA (provide worry-free lives for all) guess what? There’s no money left for national defense!

The Chinese smile. Their only problem in the future will be the Islamists.

(Who are also smiling.)

The good news: this will all be played out in the latter half of the 21st when I’ll be dead. The bad news: (I need more time for that one.)


27 posted on 04/05/2009 2:36:31 PM PDT by aculeus
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To: Trod Upon
The message to despots: America is about to disarm and bend over, so have a go at her!

Wait till "don't ask, don't tell" is repealed. They'll be lining up to have a go.

28 posted on 04/05/2009 2:38:12 PM PDT by neodad (USS Vincennes (CG 49) "Freedom's Fortress")
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To: Schnucki
“Mr Gates has signalled that the air force's demands for more F-22 stealth fighter jets are unlikely to be granted, pointing out that highly regarded plane “has not performed a single mission in either theatre” of Afghanistan or Iraq.”

Idiot !!!what about the situation coming up in Iran or our old friends\s The Covert Soviet Union known as Russia pop their Ugly Head up.All of our Aircraft are old and beat up thanks to George and his Brother Bill.

29 posted on 04/05/2009 2:43:17 PM PDT by Cheetahcat (Osamabama Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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To: ChrisInAR

A lot of the equipment we procured in the 1980s is wearing out. What is going to replace it, harsh language? We’ve had two two-term Presidents who have basically been on a procurement holiday. Now, we have one who apparently wants to end procurement all together. Someone should tell Obama that military spending is stimulative too. And you actually get something you can use when the $$ is spend.


30 posted on 04/05/2009 2:48:13 PM PDT by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: wku man

I will say one thing, our procurement process does waste a lot of $$ and is ripe for reform. I am retired military myself and didn’t realize how wasteful system program offices were until I got out and started my own company. Too many mindless meetings & reviews (usually with a cast of thousands), too much PowerPoint engineering, too many ECPs & schedule changes for no good reason, too much pointless TDY, and too many support contractors (including former military) who create more problems than they solve.


31 posted on 04/05/2009 2:53:11 PM PDT by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: Schnucki

Just like ALGORE reinventing government by getting rid of 800,000 government employees....all military. Looked good on paper but the US couldn’t have boxed ourselves out of a paper bag before 9-11...


32 posted on 04/05/2009 3:13:29 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: 2banana

Gates should resign.


33 posted on 04/05/2009 3:14:48 PM PDT by dodger
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To: Schnucki
Oh yes!

Lets cut new combat systems for the Services and can development and research.

We have beaten the crap out of every piece of equipment in the military with the high OPTempo and yet our ignorant politicians, Gates included, want us to fight with pointed sticks and cloth-covered Jenny's with five pound hand-dropped bombs.

Forget any research into new stuff, let alone trying to procure anything new or even older.

Part, not all, of the reason for the F-22 system not being used now is that the crooks in Congress force the procurement process and buy schedule out into latter years thus forcing costs and thus prices to go through the roof.

As it is it is expensive to be on the cutting edge but since we have an aversion to taking casualties our combat systems MUST be EXTREMELY high tech to keep our troops safe and yet combat effective.

If we have to fight without better equipment then we will take higher casualties and our current society will not tolerate that and we will have to concede the conflict our just bow to the threats and wishes of all of our enemies.

I fully believe our current crop of politicians, including many Republicans, want this exact scenario to happen.

They believe that if we are subsumed by another country or system that they will be allowed to be our PERMANENT rulers and that type of power is what they crave the most over anything else in the world.

34 posted on 04/05/2009 3:16:34 PM PDT by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: Schnucki
This will firmly put the Red Chinese as the Big Dog on the block. Poor Taiwan better start getting ready, big Red is coming and the USA will not lift a fighter off the deck of a carrier to protect you. You might as well start getting ready for communism.
35 posted on 04/05/2009 3:16:44 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (America sits on it's ass while the Marxist - Bolshevik's take over.)
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To: wku man

I personally would like to see the Departments of Education, HHS, Labor, Commerce, Energy, Homeland Security, & Transportation ELIMINATED entirely....not to mention other Bureaucracies, Agencies, & Administrations that have no Constitutional Purpose or that is already being accomplished elsewhere by the fedgov.

THAT is the best way to cut wasteful spending, IMO.


36 posted on 04/05/2009 3:21:28 PM PDT by ChrisInAR (The Tenth Amendment is still the Supreme Law of the Land, folks -- start enforcing it for a CHANGE!)
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To: Schnucki

Let’s see:
Gut the military.
Explode social spending.
Shoot taxes through the roof.
Attack the First and Second Amendments.
Destroy Freedom, individuality, and the family.

Check, check, check, check, and check.

Yup, Liberalism as usual. Same radical Marxism as always.


37 posted on 04/05/2009 3:22:15 PM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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To: Schnucki

Why? We are blowing our financial wad already, why not reach for the stars. Buy the military anything they’ve ever dreamed of.


38 posted on 04/05/2009 3:29:41 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ( Obama, you're off the island!)
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To: Lucky Dog

And apparently nothing in our “checks and balances” system to say: “Hey wait a minute”.
He’s taking us down.


39 posted on 04/05/2009 3:34:35 PM PDT by mcshot (The line in the sand has been drawn: It's good vs evil.)
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To: Schnucki

This is why I despise Gates. He believes we will never face a more formidable foe than Afghanistan’s Taliban.

Idiot bureaucrat.


40 posted on 04/05/2009 3:37:00 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Obama - Making Jimmy Carter look like a giant!)
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To: 4rcane

“...and military NEEDS a cut”

Yep, cutting the $150B acquisition budget will sure help - while Obama is spending 2,0000B on stuff no one needs.

Most conservatives oppose wasteful spending on defense. We also recognize it is one of the few real requirements of government spending, and that erring on the small side here kills a lot of Americans.


41 posted on 04/05/2009 3:40:24 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Obama - Making Jimmy Carter look like a giant!)
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To: wku man

You’ve got to be kidding. Wasteful spending is everywhere in the government, and it doesn’t bother you that the only place where they’re talking about cutting it is in the DoD? Not to mention that a liberal’s “wasteful spending” are weapons programs that may very well save all our a**es one day?”

The democrats passed $1 TRILLION in wasteful spending and called it “STIMULUS”. These cuts are all going towards the ever-expanding-welfare-state.

Let’s see, we have:
1. Tax the producers
2. Spend the Government into bankruptcy
3. Defang our military

If someone was deliberately trying to destroy America, they could not have come up with a better plan.


42 posted on 04/05/2009 3:42:29 PM PDT by WOSG (Why is Obama trying to bankrupt America with $16 trillion in spending over the next 4 years?)
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To: rbg81

“What is going to replace it, harsh language?”

Obama isn’t tough enough for that. He’s going to replace it with SOFT language. Like telling nKorea that, since they launched a missile, we’re going to take the moral lead and cut our nuclear stockpile.

You cannot out-wimp Obama!


43 posted on 04/05/2009 3:42:38 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Obama - Making Jimmy Carter look like a giant!)
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To: Citizen Tom Paine

“The real problem which this budget uncovers is that a leaders mistake will be paid for in the blood of our children and grandchildren. We must maintain our military strength and capabilities. Prepare for the worst; hope for the best. One thing which the world understands in strength.”

Well said. The logic that since F-22 was not used in Iraq or Afghanistan ergo its not needed at all is ... illogical.

That said, we can probably scale back military spending overall, but reducing overseas deployments outside hot zones, ie, less troops in Germany, Japan etc.


44 posted on 04/05/2009 3:45:14 PM PDT by WOSG (Why is Obama trying to bankrupt America with $16 trillion in spending over the next 4 years?)
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To: 4rcane

The replies here, suggests that even Republicans are big government ppl. We’re in a difficult economic position at moment and military NEEDS a cut.”

???? We just INCREASED SPENDING BY $1 TRILLION BECAUSE OF THE WEAK ECONOMY!!

If the correct response to a weak economy is reducing Govt outlays, then the Democrats are going in the wrong direction with their $3.5 TRILLION BUDGET!

And note, the DoD is less than 15% of that total. Cut the other 85% too.


45 posted on 04/05/2009 3:47:02 PM PDT by WOSG (Why is Obama trying to bankrupt America with $16 trillion in spending over the next 4 years?)
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To: Schnucki

B_ S _ _ _ DS!


46 posted on 04/05/2009 3:50:33 PM PDT by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (****************************Stop Continental Drift**)
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To: WOSG
You're right, but let's give credit where credit is due. Bush and a number of Pubbies in Congress got the ball rolling with their $700 billion in wasteful spending back in October. So now, Pubbies can't criticize Obamanation's wasteful spending without being pelted with cries of "hypocrite!" from the other side.

You're right about the plan to destroy America. But it has both (liberal) GOP and 'Rat fingerprints on it.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

47 posted on 04/05/2009 4:19:20 PM PDT by wku man (Who says conservatives don't rock? Go to www.myspace.com/rockfromtheright)
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To: WOSG
If someone was deliberately trying to destroy America, they could not have come up with a better plan.

During the Savings and Loan Scandal, it was said that the best way to rob a bank is to own it. Correspondingly, the best way to wreck a country is to "rule" it. Note that Obama's people said "rule" while Bush mentioned "serving" as President. There is a difference.

48 posted on 04/05/2009 4:32:50 PM PDT by magooey (The Mandate of Heaven resides in the hearts of men)
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To: 4rcane

You have it wrong. We don’t advocate wasteful spending but a lot of us went through the Carter where the draw down was so drastic that it risked our national security. Then Clinton did the same thing. Guess you forget all the attacks on our troops during the Clinton years culiminating on 9/11 thanks to making a lot of our military a paper tiger.

The Constitution, that pesky little document, requires that we spend money on defense of our Country. It does not say we are required to spend money on bailing out everything under the sun.

Makes me wonder why you didn’t know that!


49 posted on 04/05/2009 4:35:05 PM PDT by PhiKapMom ( BOOMER SOONER! Mary Fallin for OK Governor in 2010! Vote Gary for OK GOP Chair)
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To: mcshot
And apparently nothing in our “checks and balances” system to say: “Hey wait a minute”. He’s taking us down.

The only check is the electorate. Unfortunately, the electorate depends upon the press to keep them informed. Even more unfortunately, the press is apparently "in tank" on this one.
50 posted on 04/05/2009 4:36:58 PM PDT by Lucky Dog
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