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Paris and Berlin bristle as Obama backs Turkey for EU
Reuters ^ | 4/5/2009 | Kerstin Gemhlich and Mark John

Posted on 04/05/2009 10:36:24 PM PDT by mojitojoe

PRAGUE (Reuters) - U.S. President Barack Obama urged the European Union on Sunday to accept Turkey as a full member of the 27-nation bloc, in remarks rejected outright by France and met coolly by Germany.

The disagreement was a rare outward sign of divergence at an EU-U.S. summit stage-managed to relaunch trans-atlantic ties that were strained under the Bush administration and which both sides are now eager to mend.

"The United States and Europe must approach Muslims as our friends, neighbours and partners in fighting injustice, intolerance and violence, forging a relationship based on mutual respect and mutual interests," Obama told the summit.

"Moving forward towards Turkish membership in the EU would be an important signal of your (EU) commitment to this agenda and ensure that we continue to anchor Turkey firmly in Europe," he told EU leaders.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Germany; Government; News/Current Events
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Turkey has long been seeking to join the bloc, and Obama's comments were a reaffirmation of U.S. support for that goal.

But there is resistance among EU states such as Germany and France to its membership, including among ruling conservatives.

Sarkozy said it was up to the EU member states to decide on Turkish entry and reiterated his opposition. "I have always been opposed to this entry," he told France's TF1 television.

"I still am and I think I can say that the immense majority of member states shares the position of France," he said.

"Turkey is a very great country, an ally of Europe, an ally of the United States. It will stay a privileged partner. My position hasn't changed and it won't change," he said.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel said it was clearly in the interest of all to forge ties between the EU and the Muslim world, but asked to comment directly on Obama's remarks, she noted only: "It's clear there are different opinions."

Merkel said the form of any future connection between the EU and Turkey was still not clear, a reference to the possibility of a privileged partnership stopping short of actual membership -- a formula favoured by French and German conservatives.

1 posted on 04/05/2009 10:36:24 PM PDT by mojitojoe
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To: mojitojoe

Turkey isn’t a free country. You can be put into prison for publicly endorsing Christianity. Why do we want them to be part of the EU?


2 posted on 04/05/2009 10:37:30 PM PDT by LifeComesFirst (Until the unborn are free, nobody is free)
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To: mojitojoe

But Eurabia loves Obama.


3 posted on 04/05/2009 10:38:56 PM PDT by rdl6989
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To: LifeComesFirst
Why does America need to have an opinion, one way or the other, on the EU?

Obama is an idiot for walking into this.

4 posted on 04/05/2009 10:40:00 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: mojitojoe

“The United States and Europe must approach Muslims as our friends, neighbours and partners in fighting injustice, intolerance and violence”

Because we all know how tolerant Turkey would be of us if we went there and openly practiced our Christianity. I am resigned to 8 years of this A-H*LE pardon my language. My biggest fears are 1. Michelle runs in 2016 2. The One finds a way to run in 2016 for a 3rd term.


5 posted on 04/05/2009 10:43:49 PM PDT by toddausauras
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To: LifeComesFirst
Because they played the Turks against us some years past and promised support for EU membership.

Now we should stick their noses into the turd they laid.

6 posted on 04/05/2009 10:43:59 PM PDT by Red6
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To: mojitojoe

0gabe is a Muslim stooge and kiss a$$, what do you expect. 0gabe’s priorities are the third world. Not Europe, Japan or any of our traditional allies


7 posted on 04/05/2009 10:44:15 PM PDT by dennisw (0gabe our very own Kenyan subprime president)
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To: mojitojoe

Hey Zero, it’s up to the EU. Nation building Obama does not like, but global alliance building? I’m leaning toward the Antichrist explanation again.


8 posted on 04/05/2009 10:44:48 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Beat a better path, and the world will build a mousetrap at your door.)
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To: mojitojoe

0Bama doesn’t have enough on his plate, that he feel the need to get involved with EU politics. I doubt that Turkey will ever get in there are too many problems with EU Muslims now.


9 posted on 04/05/2009 10:45:14 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (We have nothing to fear but Obama himself.)
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To: mojitojoe

Oh, rich! I’d forgotten about Turkey. Naturally, Obama would stand by his Muslim friends.


10 posted on 04/05/2009 10:49:48 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: toddausauras

What makes you think we’ll ever have another election again?


11 posted on 04/05/2009 10:52:09 PM PDT by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: mojitojoe
Obama also endorsed Saudi Arabia's application for entrance into the EU. Europe needs more camels now that cars will be outlawed.
12 posted on 04/05/2009 10:52:57 PM PDT by Blind Eye Jones
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To: mojitojoe
"The United States and Europe must approach Muslims...

...on bended knee and with a servile bow.

13 posted on 04/05/2009 10:53:29 PM PDT by Plutarch
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To: dennisw

Correct and astute. Obama’s priorities are the third world.

His policies of weakening the US standing as a superpower is part and parcel of that plan.

Like his tax policies, Obama wants forced equality. That means cutting the USA down to size while pandering to Iran and Turkey, among others.


14 posted on 04/05/2009 10:55:47 PM PDT by beagleone
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To: mojitojoe; All
"Turkey is a very great country, an ally of Europe, an ally of the United States.

Hmmm...I seem to remember that in March 2003, the Turks refused to allow the U.S. Army's 4th infantry Division to disembark there and attack into Iraq from the north. That decision left Saddam and his cronies an escape route once Baghdad fell, and ultimately cost (at least) hundreds of American lives in the insurgency that broke out later that year.

Some ally. So screw the Turks.

15 posted on 04/05/2009 10:57:21 PM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin is a smart missile aimed at the heart of the left!)
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To: mojitojoe

of course he’d back turkey. they are a muslim country. does this surprise anyone?


16 posted on 04/05/2009 11:00:23 PM PDT by sten
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To: LifeComesFirst
Paris and Berlin bristle as Obama backs Turkey for EU

Get over it Europe!

He's already told us that when the chips are down he's siding with the Muslims.

Hey - you wanted him!

17 posted on 04/05/2009 11:03:20 PM PDT by Wil H (No Accomplishments, No Experience, No Resume No Records, No References, Nobama..)
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To: mojitojoe
Yes, and when Obama then went on to praise Turkey as a "moderate" Muslim country the Turkish President rudely slapped him down:

"Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan rejected attempts to call Turkey the representative of moderate Islam. 'It is unacceptable for us to agree with such a definition. Turkey has never been a country to represent such a concept. Moreover, Islam cannot be classified as moderate or not,' Erdogan said, speaking at Oxford Centre for Islamic Studies late Thursday. Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan rejected attempts to call Turkey the representative of moderate Islam.

Obama is a boob, alienating friend and foe alike.

Let's fire the SOB.

18 posted on 04/05/2009 11:06:52 PM PDT by John Valentine
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Reckon maybe the reason Gordon Brown popped over might have been to urge the USA to accept Puerto Rico as your 51st state?


19 posted on 04/05/2009 11:07:02 PM PDT by punchamullah
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To: punchamullah

According to 0, we already have 57. PR would be 58.


20 posted on 04/05/2009 11:09:53 PM PDT by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: mojitojoe
The Iraq war would have gone a lot more smoothly if only Turkey had let us launch the northern offensive from their border.

Colin Powell lost Turkey for Bush just weeks from the start of the operation, forcing the United States to have to divert the troops south, and losing the pincer tactic of a two-front attack that would squeeze Iraqi forces into the middle.

Instead, Iraq's military were able to sneak north and out of the country.

And now Obama wants to reward the Turks.

-PJ

21 posted on 04/05/2009 11:13:29 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (You can never overestimate the Democrats' ability to overplay their hand.)
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To: mojitojoe
Remember Vienna!


22 posted on 04/05/2009 11:26:47 PM PDT by americanophile
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To: mojitojoe

That arrogant America that lectures rather than listens seems to be back already!


23 posted on 04/05/2009 11:31:03 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: mountn man

“What makes you think we’ll have another election?”

You’re right it’s looking pretty bad. On the face of it some may call your above quote a little extreme, but did we ever think we would see the press this biased? Does anyone here who was fully concious during the Kennedy years remember it being this media-biased for the president? Just curious.


24 posted on 04/05/2009 11:36:50 PM PDT by toddausauras
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To: mojitojoe
IMO , Obama does not represent the USA, he is a rogue dictator who represents his own narcissistic ideals for "change"

everything Obama has done so far is destructive to the USA

25 posted on 04/05/2009 11:38:48 PM PDT by KTM rider ( the Red Dawn has arrived)
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To: mojitojoe

wonder how all the armenian refugees feel about this one?


26 posted on 04/06/2009 12:00:17 AM PDT by television is just wrong (one bad ass mistake america!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Mike Darancette
0Bama doesn’t have enough on his plate, that he feel the need to get involved with EU politics.

He always has time to advance the cause of ISLAM.

He'll probably do a commercial for it soon:

"I'm not the Antichrist, but I play one on tv..."

27 posted on 04/06/2009 1:00:53 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (American Revolution II -- overdue.)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

He’s got so so much going on because there won’t be enough time for US to scrutinize any of it.

OMG-I can’t believe this.

Wait look over there!

Oh something just happened behind me.

ANd yes, he does always seem to have time to help them with their precious jihad(barf).


28 posted on 04/06/2009 1:28:35 AM PDT by Califreak (111th Congress: Destroying America With Reckless Abandon)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner; Red6
Hmmm...I seem to remember that in March 2003, the Turks refused to allow the U.S. Army's 4th infantry Division to disembark there and attack into Iraq from the north. That decision left Saddam and his cronies an escape route once Baghdad fell, and ultimately cost (at least) hundreds of American lives in the insurgency that broke out later that year.

And they did so with the explicit promise by the French to secure their full membership in the EU.

So, I agree with the poster who said, Now we should stick their (frog-like) noses into the turd they (the French) laid.

29 posted on 04/06/2009 2:37:23 AM PDT by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: Kansas58

I agree. It’s none of our business. That Obama dude is one arrogant American. If Turkey is so great, maybe Obamba should invite them into the USA. Or maybe I shouldn’t make that suggestion. But then, we’re fooked one way or another.


30 posted on 04/06/2009 3:45:51 AM PDT by GnL
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To: markomalley

And they did so with the explicit promise by the French to secure their full membership in the EU.

So, I agree with the poster who said, Now we should stick their (frog-like) noses into the turd they (the French) laid.


excuse me but when did the french promise turkey a full membership in the EU? btw. france (and others) have allways been against a EU membership of turkey and more important france is not in a position to guarantee anyone a EU membership even if they would want (which they don´t) because you need the blessing of every single memver state to enter EU. so every single country can veto it (and the list of countries which would veto turkey is loooong).
greetings


31 posted on 04/06/2009 4:12:07 AM PDT by Jonny foreigner
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To: BunnySlippers

O loves Turkey because they backed down at the last minute and refused to allow us to enter Iraq from their country.

That put them on O’s hit parade.


32 posted on 04/06/2009 4:14:33 AM PDT by Carley (President Obama Dropped a MOAB on America)
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To: LifeComesFirst
Turkey isn’t a free country. You can be put into prison for publicly endorsing Christianity. Why do we want them to be part of the EU?

Why? So that Islamist radicals can pour into Turkey from Iran, Iraq and Syria and then, since a citizen of one E.U. country is a citizen of all E.U. countries, after a trip to the local I.D. forger, the Islamist radicals can pour into Western Europe.

This idea is as utterly asinine as France or Germany publicly supporting making Afghanistan the 51st U.S. state so that anybody with an Afghan driver's license can fly directly to the U.S. without a visa or a passport.

There is a silver lining to all of this.

Remember the saying, " A conservative is a liberal that has been mugged by reality"?

Well, the E.U. has just been mugged by the reality of how abysmally naive, inexperienced and completely out of his league Obama is in regards to foreign policy.

The U.S. media won't do it's job in holding Obama accountable for anything. The European media, out of a sense of pure self-preservation, may start doing just that..

33 posted on 04/06/2009 4:27:28 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: John Valentine
Obama is a boob, alienating friend and foe alike. Let's fire the SOB.

We can't do that .....

..... until we make the Democrat Left loose control of Congress in 2010.

34 posted on 04/06/2009 4:34:15 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: beagleone

Thanks.....
0bama means we are third world oriented and Muslim oriented which *coincidentally* enough reflects the 0bama’s own life as he spent formative years in Indonesia a Muslim nation

He got shaped and brainwashed at a young age
He went to Koran recitation classes


35 posted on 04/06/2009 4:34:18 AM PDT by dennisw (0gabe our very own Kenyan subprime president)
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To: americanophile
Remember Vienna!

*********

Remember Lepanto!


36 posted on 04/06/2009 4:39:22 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: Polybius

This idea is as utterly asinine as France or Germany publicly supporting making Afghanistan the 51st U.S. state so that anybody with an Afghan driver’s license can fly directly to the U.S. without a visa or a passport...


agreed this is asinine, but to stay realistic. Obamas comments have as much impact on EU member politics as Europes comments would have on afghanistan becomming a US state. result Zero... no one really cares because it´s none of our buisness. but to be somehow fair wanting turkey becoming a EU member has been the goal of US forreign politics for a long time. i don´t know why, but i remember bush saying the same thing about turkey and the EU. but then again this has really no impact on anything.


37 posted on 04/06/2009 4:41:15 AM PDT by Jonny foreigner
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To: Kansas58

You are correct ..... it is really none of his business. His hubris will kill him


38 posted on 04/06/2009 4:42:26 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . John Galt hell !...... where is Francisco dÂ’Anconia)
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To: americanophile
Remember Vienna!

My husband LOVES their sausages! ;)

39 posted on 04/06/2009 4:44:15 AM PDT by gopheraj
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To: Polybius

Remember Gallipoli. 25 April: ANZAC Day.


40 posted on 04/06/2009 4:45:24 AM PDT by shoutingandpointing
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To: mojitojoe

“...[Turkey,] an ally of the United States...”

Depends on what day of the week it is, if even true anymore.

I thought Obama was supposed to be smoothing over relations with everyone, and all of the world would be throwing roses at our feet.

Perhaps he’s finding out that neutrality isn’t always the best? Of course, I could just be giving him undue credit for having some kind of rationale for his choices where there may really be none, or any that make any sense at all.


41 posted on 04/06/2009 4:52:30 AM PDT by dajeeps
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To: Jonny foreigner
agreed this is asinine, but to stay realistic. Obamas comments have as much impact on EU member politics as Europe's comments would have on afghanistan becoming a US state. result Zero... no one really cares because it´s none of our business. but to be somehow fair wanting turkey becoming a EU member has been the goal of US foreign politics for a long time. i don´t know why, but i remember bush saying the same thing about turkey and the EU. but then again this has really no impact on anything.

It has an impact on the credibility of the judgment of the U.S. You can't expect to be seen as a credible leader if you publicly play the part of the Fool.

Turkey and EU becomes the latest battleground for Chirac and Bush ...... Turkey's bid to join the European Union was at the centre of a new transatlantic rift yesterday, as the French president, Jacques Chirac, accused George Bush of meddling by supporting Turkey's push for membership. ...... M Chirac warned the US president to mind his own business and said Mr Bush had gone too far , when he said at the weekend that the US believed Turkey was ready to take up EU membership. "If President Bush really said that the way I read it, well, not only did he go too far but he went into territory which is not his own," M. Chirac said at a Nato summit in Istanbul. ..... Washington has a long-standing alliance with Turkey through Nato, but EU membership is in a different category since the countries inside the 25-nation bloc share legislative powers. An EU diplomat said: "It's one thing to be an ally in Nato, and something else to join the EU where we make laws together."

The idea is no less asinine if George W. Bush publicly proposes it.

It is NOT in the interests of the U.S. to have Turkey as an E.U. member so that the porous southern borders of Turkey can become the gateway into Western Europe for millions of Islamist radicals as easily as the porous southern border of the U.S. became the gateway into the U.S. for millions of, by comparison, relatively well-behaved Mexicans.

What is in the U.S. interest is to curry favor with the Turkish Government so that the Turkish Government will support U.S. interests. That, however, can be done in other ways besides publicly making a foreign policy fool out yourself and destroying U.S. credibility in Western Europe so that Western Europe does not support U.S. interests.

42 posted on 04/06/2009 5:11:29 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: mojitojoe

“The United States and Europe must approach Muslims as our friends, neighbours and partners in fighting injustice, intolerance and violence, forging a relationship based on mutual respect and mutual interests,” Obama told the summit.

Hopefully, this idiot’s support of the further overrunning of Europe with Muslims will incense enough Europeans to lead them to reject Turkey’s admission into the EU. If Turkey is admitted, it will accelerate the slow death of Europe.


43 posted on 04/06/2009 5:20:58 AM PDT by SharpRightTurn (White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: mojitojoe

Yes, let’s admit Turkey into the EU so all its radical muslims can go whizzing across the open borders to colonize the rest of the region. /s


44 posted on 04/06/2009 5:22:04 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Barack Obama: in your guts, you know he's nuts!)
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To: mojitojoe
Since the furthest part of the Western border of Turkey is only 153 (+/-) miles 'in the continent of Europe', I don't think they should be allowed into the EU.

If the Turks are so gung-ho about joining something they can start an AU - Asian Union and be a Charter Member. /s

45 posted on 04/06/2009 5:45:55 AM PDT by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits)
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additional:

Leave Turkey’s bid to join EU to us, Nicolas Sarkozy warns Barack Obama
TIMES ONLINE | April 6, 2009 | David Charter in Prague
Posted on 04/05/2009 7:54:37 PM PDT by Cincinna
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2223053/posts


46 posted on 04/06/2009 5:47:13 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: mojitojoe
Obama just praised Ataturk to the Turkish Parliament.

Ataturk was a cruel Socialist Dictator who modeled the country after Stalin.

Unbelievable.

sw

47 posted on 04/06/2009 5:51:40 AM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: spectre
Obama just praised Ataturk to the Turkish Parliament. Ataturk was a cruel Socialist Dictator who modeled the country after Stalin. Unbelievable. sw

Ataturk dragged the Ottoman Empire, kicking and screaming, into the 20th Century.

Ataturk made Turkey a secular republic and battled against political Islam a full 80 years before most of America knew what an "Islamist" was.

He replaced the Arabic script with the Latin alphabet, replaced Islamic courts with a secular civil code based on the Swiss model and a penal code based on that of Italy, and he looked to Western universities as models.

What made modern Turkey the only majority Muslim country in the World that is not, today, totally mired in the backwardness of Islam?

Mustafa Kemal Ataturk.

Did Ataturk maintain cordial relations with the Soviet Union?

Yes, he did. When you live right next door to the 800 pound gorilla, it is only prudent to smile at him.

However, Ataturk did not accept Soviet Communism.

"Friendship with Russia is not to adopt their ideology of communism for Turkey." "Communism is a social issue. Social conditions, religion, and national traditions of our country confirm the opinion that Russian Communism is not applicable in Turkey." ..... Ataturk

Ataturk's influences were Western ..... Not Soviet.


48 posted on 04/06/2009 7:05:02 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: mojitojoe

maybe obama the sage and saviour of the world should offer to make them our 58th state, instead


49 posted on 04/06/2009 7:19:04 AM PDT by silverleaf (We live in interesting times: now the entire IRS works for a tax evader)
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To: Condor51

Since the furthest part of the Western border of Turkey is only 153 (+/-) miles ‘in the continent of Europe’, I don’t think they should be allowed into the EU.
If the Turks are so gung-ho about joining something they can start an AU - Asian Union and be a Charter Member. /s


agreed beside the fact that turkey is hardly (only a few square miles belong to the continent of Europe) a European country, the more important fact is that turkey culturally and socially shares little to nothing with other European countries. it may be a Nato ally for strategic reasons in this region but should and hopefully will never be admitted to EU. But again it´s not even likely that turkey has only a serious change to be admited to EU. You would have to kick out countries like austria before you could only think about turkey becomming a member (because for example austria allready said (years before) that it would veto turkey forever even if they would stand alone on this “btw. they don´t stand alone if we talk about turkey”.


50 posted on 04/06/2009 7:37:57 AM PDT by Jonny foreigner
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