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Mother Shoots Son, Self At Gun Range
WFTV-TV ^ | 4/6/2009 | Staff

Posted on 04/06/2009 8:14:29 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici

CASSELBERRY, Fla. -- A mother shot and killed her son, and then herself, inside a Casselberry Gun Range Sunday afternoon, according to police.

When Casselberry police arrived at the Shoot Straight Gun Range on South U.S. Highway 17-92 (see map) just after 4:00pm, they found two people had been shot in an apparent murder-suicide.

Police identified the man as 20-year-old Mitchel Moore. The shooter, his mother, was identified as 44-year-old Marie Moore.

Eyewitnesses said the pair was acting strangely and then the woman ran out of the room to get more ammunition. When she returned, eyewitnesses said, she shot her son and then turned the gun on herself.

Eyewitness Jim Copertino was in shooting target practice next to the pair and said the mother and son appeared hyper and jittery, as if they were on drugs.

"I noticed both of them were very anxious with each other. She kept getting very close to him and he was firing. She was almost over his shoulder," Copertino recalled. "She ran out to get more ammo, ran back in and then both were down."

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I go to this range on occasion. Very small. Maybe eight lanes. They had another suicide there a few years ago. Some guy took a bus from across town, rented a gun, walked out onto the range and shot himself.
1 posted on 04/06/2009 8:14:30 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici
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To: VeniVidiVici

Oh my...


2 posted on 04/06/2009 8:16:45 AM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: VeniVidiVici

I never thought this kind of thing would happen at a shooting range.

I always thought they were so safe except for getting nailed once in a while by flying brass.


3 posted on 04/06/2009 8:17:55 AM PDT by Califreak (111th Congress: Destroying America With Reckless Abandon)
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To: VeniVidiVici

“...and then the woman ran out of the room to get more ammunition.”

Husband hates when I do that. ;)


4 posted on 04/06/2009 8:18:53 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: VeniVidiVici

Wow absolutely appalling, this is just ammunition for the anti-gun freaks. Sad sad sad.


5 posted on 04/06/2009 8:19:54 AM PDT by rd1tx (Peace through superior firepower. (U.S. Army))
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To: VeniVidiVici

There was a suicide at a Cincinnati area range I had shot at;suicidal people are obviously not thinking clearly.The speculation of motives on the mother/son case is going to be something.


6 posted on 04/06/2009 8:20:41 AM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: VeniVidiVici

A range I went to in Bellvue WA some time ago once had a guy walk in, present all his ID, rent a gun, and promptly commit suicide on the range.

These things happen. If someone is mentally ill and out to kill themself, not a whole lot you can do about it.


7 posted on 04/06/2009 8:20:48 AM PDT by FreedomFerret
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To: VeniVidiVici

>Some guy took a bus from across town, rented a gun, walked out onto the range and shot himself.<

I’m going to bet that all the people who would do this kind of thing at a shooting range are not legitimate gun OWNERS.


8 posted on 04/06/2009 8:20:54 AM PDT by Califreak (111th Congress: Destroying America With Reckless Abandon)
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To: VeniVidiVici

The level of desperation that so many people seem to be feeling these days is just frightening.

Prayers for everyone involved.


9 posted on 04/06/2009 8:21:34 AM PDT by mountainbunny (Hey, Kids! It's the new Mitt Romney! Collect the whole set!)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

ammunition is like crack cocaine


10 posted on 04/06/2009 8:22:57 AM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom)
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To: Califreak

There have been a few other suicides at shooting ranges - sometimes involving handguns rented by the facilities. This is the first one I can recall that was a murder-suicide, though.


11 posted on 04/06/2009 8:23:17 AM PDT by Charles Martel ("Endeavor to persevere...")
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To: rd1tx

The recent spate of multiple shooting since obama took over makes me wonder if somehow the incidents aren’t connected.The more I see in life,the less I believe in coincidence.


12 posted on 04/06/2009 8:23:32 AM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: al baby

It is, Al Baby. It is. :)


13 posted on 04/06/2009 8:23:48 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: VeniVidiVici

How odd that she chose to do this at a gun range..

My son and his buddies shoot at this range now and then..and I drive past there all the time going to Publix.

Her name seems familiar but I didn’t see a photo in the Sentinel of either mother or son.


14 posted on 04/06/2009 8:27:44 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: VeniVidiVici
Make sure to check out his myspace. Doesn't look like a kid that would do something like this. Guess I'm saying this looks to be all mom's doing.
15 posted on 04/06/2009 8:27:45 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (The Democrats want nationalized health care? I'll take the coverage Congress has. Nothing less.)
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To: VeniVidiVici

A teacher rented a gun at my range, just outside of Milwaukee, and killed him self just last week.

http://www.journaltimes.com/articles/2009/04/01/local_news/doc49d3f0ddd5a81119093512.txt


16 posted on 04/06/2009 8:31:01 AM PDT by IDRATHERNOT
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To: Califreak
I never thought this kind of thing would happen at a shooting range.

Here in Tampa it happened twice at the same gun range.
17 posted on 04/06/2009 8:33:57 AM PDT by WackySam (The fact that there are 24 hours in a day, and 24 beers in a case, is not a coincidence.)
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To: VeniVidiVici
Doesn't look like a kid that would do something like this. Guess I'm saying this looks to be all mom's doing.

You're correct, the kid looked like he had a lot to live for. I wonder what the story on the mother is.

18 posted on 04/06/2009 8:34:27 AM PDT by Charles Martel ("Endeavor to persevere...")
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To: VeniVidiVici

This sort of thing may be why my range DOESN’T rent guns......


19 posted on 04/06/2009 8:34:49 AM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (FR. ....Monthly Donors Wanted.)
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To: hoosierham

I agree, and it is only going to get worse I fear.


20 posted on 04/06/2009 8:39:45 AM PDT by rd1tx (Peace through superior firepower. (U.S. Army))
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To: VeniVidiVici
Eyewitness Jim Copertino was in shooting target practice next to the pair and said the mother and son appeared hyper and jittery, as if they were on drugs.

I just wonder if the kid really wanted to be there. I wonder if he knew what his mother had in mind.

The woman had a history of mental illness.

Poor Jim will probably second guess himself for the rest of his life wishing he would have done something. He knew something was up with those two.

21 posted on 04/06/2009 8:40:12 AM PDT by Pontiac (Your message here.)
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To: IDRATHERNOT

Are statistics like this collected somewhere? Owners of ranges might want to collect them to defend themselves as to ranges’ safety. Gun-control forces might use incidents like these to argue that the ranges themselves are somehow encouraging violence against oneself or others.

Having some statistics showing the overall safety of ranges, and the tiny proportion of things like this as oppossed to safe-shooting “incidents”, would help.

The thing about a suicide like this is that they are so visibly connected - the gun to the death. There may be thousands of people that commit suicide each year by driving into bridge abutments, but how would we know? Those suicides will be attributed to the driver dozing off, or just some inexplicable malfunction.


22 posted on 04/06/2009 8:42:15 AM PDT by worst-case scenario (Striving to reach the light)
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To: hoosierham
The recent spate of multiple shooting since obama took over makes me wonder if somehow the incidents aren’t connected.

Oboma has no idea how to lead, and it's got people on the edge. He was suppose to "heal" everything that was wrong in their world (according to those running his campaign), but now people are seeing him as a typical lying politician hell bent on setting his own self glorifying agenda.

The "hope" fix he gave them is wearing off. Oboma, a man with nothing hut community organizing as his only skill, has let his faithful congregation down. They just cannot wait any longer for the "change" they know isn't coming. They know, in fact, Oboma has made the globe a hundred times worse off then when he started less than 100 days ago.

The Oboma mania was just an illusion. It gave millions of people - for the first time in their miserable lives - something to live for. Now that it's gone, there's nothing left but something to die for.

23 posted on 04/06/2009 8:45:26 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: VeniVidiVici
More on the mother, from an article in the Orlando Sentinel:

Mitchell Moore, who also lived in Altamonte Springs but at a different address than his mother, was pronounced dead at the scene. Paramedics transported his mother to Florida Hospital-Altamonte, where she died, Stewart said.

Marie Moore had a history of mental illness, Stewart said, but he had no details.

Possibly a drug abuse-triggered relapse, like with Phil Hartman's wife.

24 posted on 04/06/2009 8:45:29 AM PDT by Charles Martel ("Endeavor to persevere...")
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To: Califreak

Yeah, you do the dance when you get hot brass that goes down your shirt.


25 posted on 04/06/2009 8:46:16 AM PDT by wastedyears (April 21st, 2009 - International Iron Maiden Day)
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To: VeniVidiVici

I used that range just a month or two ago as I was passing through that part of the world. You’re right, it’s tight quarters in there.


26 posted on 04/06/2009 8:46:27 AM PDT by Sax
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To: VeniVidiVici

Join a gun club. You can rest assured that most gun clubs check their perspective members out fairly well. And since all the members are gun owners, you can assume that no ones is going to come in to just commit suicide on the range. They can do that at home. I went shooting just yesterday and for a large portion of the time, it was just me and my two friends there. Much better than a public range.


27 posted on 04/06/2009 8:46:41 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: VeniVidiVici

Terrible times, who can anyone blame?


28 posted on 04/06/2009 8:47:03 AM PDT by Eye of Unk ("If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace." T. Paine)
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To: VeniVidiVici
Eyewitness Jim Copertino was in shooting target practice next to the pair and said the mother and son appeared hyper and jittery, as if they were on drugs. The shooter, his mother, was identified as 44-year-old Marie Moore.

We live in insane times.

29 posted on 04/06/2009 8:50:05 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Pontiac
The woman had a history of mental illness.

Well no kidding...The Mother blew away her son for God sake.

And if she was this mentally twisted, what would the 20 year old being doing with her at a freaking shooting range?

31 posted on 04/06/2009 8:54:18 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Charles Martel
Marie Moore had a history of mental illness, Stewart said, but he had no details.

She seems to have a lot of male friends.

Her MyLife page

32 posted on 04/06/2009 8:54:40 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: SonOfPyrodex

I think Americans have had so much Islamic crap shoved down their throats they are now believing that they will be getting their 72 virgins by committing an act act of suicide.

Some cultures were never meant to be homogenized together equally, only one can rule.


33 posted on 04/06/2009 8:57:13 AM PDT by Eye of Unk ("If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace." T. Paine)
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To: wastedyears

I hear brass catchers are kind of a pain, but getting hit in the face repeatedly by spent brass from the left takes most of the fun out of the range for me, even though I do wear great big wrap around safety glasses, earmuffs and a hoodie.

It must be a “chick” thing. : )


34 posted on 04/06/2009 9:00:07 AM PDT by Califreak (111th Congress: Destroying America With Reckless Abandon)
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To: SonOfPyrodex

If the woman stepped in front of a City Transit Bus, I would say we ban Public Transportation.

That is why I love Liberal arguments to ban things for our own good. We can ban everything, but people will still figure out ways to kill themselves.

We could ban buildings over one story high, ban bridges, ban knives and even ban the ocean. Human Ingenuity will always succeed.


35 posted on 04/06/2009 9:03:12 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative (If Hitler used a TelePrompter, we would all be speaking German...)
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To: Califreak

I talked to one of the guys who worked at a gun store that had a range and he said it happens more than people realize. They almost always rent a gun. He said if you are ever at the range and you see it happening do not do anything. Do not try to stop them.

I get too creeped out at ranges anymore and will avoid places where the range rents guns.


36 posted on 04/06/2009 9:08:36 AM PDT by Frantzie (Boycott GE - they own NBC, MSNBC, CNBC & Universal. Boycott Disney - they own ABC)
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To: VeniVidiVici

I really think all the attention that is put onto these murder-suicides is encourageing sick individuals to get their moment in the spotlight.

This will be spun as a gun control thing, but that isn’t even the issue here - there have been gun control laws overturned or implaced so the guns were there to start with.


37 posted on 04/06/2009 9:09:50 AM PDT by SeminoleSoldier
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To: Kickass Conservative

The railroad in my small town was the method of choice of the drug addled kids of the 70s.


38 posted on 04/06/2009 9:10:02 AM PDT by junta (Not even respectable mainstream conservatives can save liberalism.)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

Good suggestion about a club. I get creeped out when you sometimes have 1911 cowboy guys/Clint Wannabes who are not as careful as they should be. Gun safety is the most important thing.


39 posted on 04/06/2009 9:11:31 AM PDT by Frantzie (Boycott GE - they own NBC, MSNBC, CNBC & Universal. Boycott Disney - they own ABC)
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To: Frantzie
He said if you are ever at the range and you see it happening do not do anything. Do not try to stop them.

Not me, if I see someone at the range trying to kill themselves, the first thing I'll do is say, "Stop, or I'll shoot".

40 posted on 04/06/2009 9:13:24 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Frantzie
"1911 cowboy guys/Clint Wannabes"

Especially since Clint used an S&W model 29 in the Dirty Harry Movies. I mean, if they can't even get the handgun model right, they can't be trusted... : )
41 posted on 04/06/2009 9:17:46 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: WackySam
And happened here in Tex. a few mo. ago, Older gent in a wheelchair that had been a regular at the range was put in assisted living by his family, Few days later, he rented a cab to the range, rented a gun, and went back to the firing lane area, and shot himself.
My own father committed suicide in his parents home in 1953., shot himself in the chest with a .22 rifle.
Gun or no gun, if someone is going to commit suicide, they are going to find a way to do it. Unfortunately there are far more graphic ways than shooting one's self, and countries with far less gun ownership than the USA have much higher suicide rates. Japan comes to mind. People are losing thier jobs, people that are used to living comfortably, and there will be some that can't deal with it.
There is much anxiety and worry in our nation retirement funds going away, home values tanking, communist president voted in by government dependents.
42 posted on 04/06/2009 9:20:05 AM PDT by Quickgun
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To: Califreak

That’s why they are renting........


43 posted on 04/06/2009 9:23:57 AM PDT by Osage Orange (Our constitution protects aliens, drunks and U.S. Senators. -Will Rogers)
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To: Frantzie

Once in a while, I would wonder “What if a nut shows up and starts shooting people?”. I will admit to getting creeped out at the range every once in a while.

I always countered that thought with the fact that they usually pick a “gun free” zone to do that in.

I guess nowhere is truly safe anymore.

If a guy can ruthlessly shoot bedridden octogenarians at a nursing home of all places, what is this world coming to?

Jeanne Assam, the lady who stopped the church shooter, was smart enough by His grace, to cover all bases. She was armed with prayer AND a gun.


44 posted on 04/06/2009 9:30:29 AM PDT by Califreak (111th Congress: Destroying America With Reckless Abandon)
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To: VeniVidiVici
Suicide has nothing to do with the “times” or who's in the White house. It's happened at gun ranges before, and it'll happen again, and it happens more frequently than you realize. In my own circle, I personally know five people who have been touched by such tragedy. Several years ago, one of my colleagues decided to “eat the gun” at work while in the office coffee room. Nobody ever found out why. My next door neighbor, was a lovely woman with everything to live for. Two beautiful kids, loving husband. Fine house in the suburbs. None of us knew she was under 24/7 suicide watch. One day she found herself with just 15 minutes of alone time. She went into the garage and started her car. That's all it took. Not surprisingly surviving friends and family members don't talk about it, but it's out there and it happens. It happens frequently
45 posted on 04/06/2009 9:31:41 AM PDT by PowderMonkey (Will Work for Ammo)
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To: VeniVidiVici

This the worst single week since Columbine for defender of the 2nd Amendment, even though most of the incidents are job/layoff-related.


46 posted on 04/06/2009 9:50:23 AM PDT by FreepShop1 (www.FreepShop.com)
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To: concerned about politics

Link doesn’t work.


47 posted on 04/06/2009 9:54:55 AM PDT by Charles Martel ("Endeavor to persevere...")
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To: VeniVidiVici

Hopium withdrawal can be fatal. :|


48 posted on 04/06/2009 9:57:43 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (01-20-2009 : The end of the PAX AMERICANA.)
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To: PowderMonkey

“One day she found herself with just 15 minutes of alone time. She went into the garage and started her car.”

I dont understand. She poisoned herself with exhaust fumes in only 15 minutes?


49 posted on 04/06/2009 10:06:49 AM PDT by Canedawg (Conservatism is the antidote to tyranny- M. Levin)
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To: Califreak

Great point! If they need to rent the gun in the first place, it obviously means they don’t have access to their OWN!


50 posted on 04/06/2009 10:09:23 AM PDT by LibertyRocks ( http://LibertyRocks.wordpress.com ~ ANTI-OBAMA STUFF : http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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