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Dallas-Fort Worth's 'modern survivalists' are ready for layoffs - or war
Dallas Star-Telegram ^ | 4/5/09 | MELODY McDONALD

Posted on 04/06/2009 10:24:14 AM PDT by Kartographer

"I refer to myself as a modern survivalist, which means I don’t do without," Spirko explained. "I have a nice TV; I have nice furniture. We are not living in the sticks, but I take all of these things very seriously."

(Excerpt) Read more at star-telegram.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News
KEYWORDS: banglist; prepare; survivalists; y2k

1 posted on 04/06/2009 10:24:15 AM PDT by Kartographer
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To: Kartographer

He is gonna need those guns for when the folks that didn’t stock up or prepare come and try to take his.


2 posted on 04/06/2009 10:34:41 AM PDT by guardian_of_liberty (We must bind the Government with the Chains of the Constitution...)
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To: guardian_of_liberty

He is going to need allies in arms — conservatives sticking together.


3 posted on 04/06/2009 10:36:32 AM PDT by Aroostook25
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To: Aroostook25

Networks are just as important, if not more so, than buying hardware & supplies right now.


4 posted on 04/06/2009 10:40:23 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, Bowman later)
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To: Kartographer

Good article. It wasn’t biased and actually had some really good quotes from the ‘preppers’.


5 posted on 04/06/2009 10:42:22 AM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: Kartographer

I am seriously thinking about one.


6 posted on 04/06/2009 10:42:54 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: Kartographer

“Dallas Star Telegram”?


7 posted on 04/06/2009 10:46:18 AM PDT by cowtowney
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To: Kartographer
"I have a nice TV; I have nice furniture.

Note to all.....Big Mistake!

8 posted on 04/06/2009 10:46:55 AM PDT by BILLNHILL MAKE ME ILL (Si vis pacem para bellum)
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To: BILLNHILL MAKE ME ILL

Why? Once the riots start everyone will have a nice big screen tv! :-)


9 posted on 04/06/2009 10:51:37 AM PDT by Kartographer
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To: BILLNHILL MAKE ME ILL

I wonder if this man is the exception.Most of us in this Obama induced economy are just hanging in there for all we are worth.I wish we could afford to do as this fellow has done.Truth is ,keeping up with the mortgage ,utilities,other bills and still managing a little extra is taking all we have. Most of us are not as fortunate.Not complaining ,just a fact.Others who have lost jobs are in far worse shape.

I hope he has stocked ammo.He may need it.Times are going to be awfully ugly before this present administration is finished with the damage to America.


10 posted on 04/06/2009 10:57:30 AM PDT by Disgusted in Texas
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To: Kartographer

Like the smell of a coming storm...you can smell Dopey-Changey and his Commie/Islamic buddies coming for you, your family, your livihood, you guns, your religion and your sanity...

Reach out to your neighbors, I did, and I found about 10 of us (in the Bay Area, no less!) who all are locked, loaded and have food stores.

Like the wise Michael Savage said, “Don’t let them get the best of you...there are more of ‘us’ than ‘them’. The media makes you think there are so many whackos than sane people, when in fact, we far outnumber them, they just own the microphone in TV, movies and print media.


11 posted on 04/06/2009 11:03:31 AM PDT by wac3rd (In the end, we all are Conservative, some just need their lives jolted to realize that fact.)
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To: wac3rd
I always wondered about the aftermath of a failure of government and what would true patriots do? After a week or so I think we would have a breakdown of major proportions because there is no leadership. Even Freeper types would be too leery of others to ever form a group.

Who, after all, would follow instruction from the produce manager down at the local grocery just because he had 2 years in the Army in 1970? We would be localized as family and friend circles and the gubmint would be forming outside the city limits as a company fully equipped with helo's and tanks. We save our food stores and bulk up on ammo, but in reality we would probably be confronted with overwhelming force within a month.

Without forming a militia ahead of time, we really stand little chance of survival for more than a few days. The government's natural position would be to form a dictatorship( marshall law) and all liberties removed "for our own good". No courts, no police, no governmental organizations, to protect our liberties, in fact, they would be the enemy to liberty.

It's a topic no community would bring up, fearing labeling themselves as the next "Waco" location. I trust many people in my community, but in reality, they would be subject to the government as they are mayors and councilmen, sheriffs, police, ect. What would be their response to an illegal order?, ect.

12 posted on 04/06/2009 11:20:01 AM PDT by chuckles
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To: Kartographer
His podcast is well worth listening to:

The Survival Podcast

13 posted on 04/06/2009 11:21:37 AM PDT by thecabal (Hey Obama, when you gonna start sharin' the sacrifice?)
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To: Kartographer; All
For anyone interested Jack Spirko's website, The Survival Podcast , has a lot of good info and podcasts for anyone interested in being prepared in case times get bad, or even if they don't.

I've been listening to some of his podcasts on and off for the past few months and he presents a lot of good ideas and details. He may get passionate every once in a while when he talks about certain things, but overall, he's a good source of information for those who want to be better prepared for certain events, but don't know how/where to start. - OB1

14 posted on 04/06/2009 11:28:43 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (Communist China is doing more to foster capitalism in their country than our politicians are doing.)
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To: wac3rd

Good post. It is the nuts that are running the asylum.


15 posted on 04/06/2009 11:29:46 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: chuckles

If the government failed and there was chaos, food./water and guns/ammo would be the only real commodities that would be desired. Gasoline heat would also be necessary for travel but if the US military were deployed on the citizenry, we would be crushed like ants.

I hear many active and former military people are on our side, but as Commander in Chief, he could force them to engage citizenry, if “provoked”.


16 posted on 04/06/2009 11:31:15 AM PDT by wac3rd (In the end, we all are Conservative, some just need their lives jolted to realize that fact.)
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To: Disgusted in Texas
I hope he has stocked ammo.He may need it.

If you are referring to Jack Spirko, he's very stocked and ready. He also has a bug-out location some 20-30 miles from me in Arkansas.

17 posted on 04/06/2009 11:31:27 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (Communist China is doing more to foster capitalism in their country than our politicians are doing.)
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To: wac3rd
I hear many active and former military people are on our side, but as Commander in Chief, he could force them to engage citizenry, if “provoked”.

Don't you believe it for a second.

18 posted on 04/06/2009 11:37:03 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Finny

self-ping


19 posted on 04/06/2009 11:54:25 AM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent.)
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To: Windflier

Explain?


20 posted on 04/06/2009 11:54:55 AM PDT by wac3rd (In the end, we all are Conservative, some just need their lives jolted to realize that fact.)
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To: wac3rd
Explain?

Do you really believe that the majority of our military personnel will obey an order to fire on their own countrymen?

21 posted on 04/06/2009 12:07:53 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Kartographer

Before I read this article... it’s going to cheer me up, right? :)


22 posted on 04/06/2009 12:10:35 PM PDT by diamond6 (Is SIDS preventable? www.Stopsidsnow.com)
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To: wac3rd
"The Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) 809[890].ART.90 (20), makes it clear that military personnel need to obey the "lawful command of his superior officer," 891.ART.91 (2), the "lawful order of a warrant officer", 892.ART.92 (1) the "lawful general order", 892.ART.92 (2) "lawful order". In each case, military personnel have an obligation and a duty to only obey Lawful orders and indeed have an obligation to disobey Unlawful orders, including orders by the president that do not comply with the UCMJ. The moral and legal obligation is to the U.S. Constitution and not to those who would issue unlawful orders, especially if those orders are in direct violation of the Constitution and the UCMJ."

I'll leave it to you to study why it's unconstitutional for the US military to fire on civilians.

23 posted on 04/06/2009 12:14:01 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Annihilation - The result of underestimating your enemies. NRA)
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To: EdReform

bookmark


24 posted on 04/06/2009 12:19:23 PM PDT by EdReform (The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed *NRA*JPFO*SAF*GOA*SAS*CCRKBA)
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To: Kartographer

Good article—not sarcastic in the least. Growing up on a small working farm in Ohio, my family was always in survivalist mode. We never knew when the next storm would wipe out all of our crops/income. Canning in a sweltering kitchen in late summer or high-tailing it down into a frigid root cellar in mid-winter was no big deal. We didn’t build shelves for books, we built shelves to hold more home-canned goods. Practically everybody we knew collected gray water and even the vet was willing to barter services for goods. The loaded shotgun was above the door near where our Apple IIe computer sat. Almost all our friends and family lived like this And this was in the mid to late 80s. Guess most everybody got soft in the last 25 years. Me included. I’m now paying dearly to play catch up.


25 posted on 04/06/2009 12:22:13 PM PDT by Bookbuck
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To: Disgusted in Texas
I hear what you're saying and my heart truly goes out to everyone that is struggling in this "Obamanation". Everyone has been affected to some degree and some more than others. And, if you haven't been, you definitely will be.

My post was really addressing that you should not be telling everyone under the sun, especially in a newspaper article, what you have. You are potentially putting your home on a "shopping list'.

26 posted on 04/06/2009 12:26:24 PM PDT by BILLNHILL MAKE ME ILL (Si vis pacem para bellum)
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To: MrB; guardian_of_liberty; Kartographer; chuckles; ScreamingFist
Networks are just as important, if not more so, than buying hardware & supplies right now.

Going to a meet and greet on the 18th (Paul Revere's Ride)

Alarm and Muster -The Modern Day Call Tree for Emergency Preparation

27 posted on 04/06/2009 12:29:56 PM PDT by AvOrdVet ("Put the wagons in a circle for all the good it'll do")
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To: Windflier

No, I don’t...but if it came to that, nothing would surprise me, frankly.


28 posted on 04/06/2009 1:39:00 PM PDT by wac3rd (In the end, we all are Conservative, some just need their lives jolted to realize that fact.)
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To: guardian_of_liberty

bump


29 posted on 04/06/2009 1:43:27 PM PDT by WhirlwindAttack (Time to fish or cut bait. B/U commo links with freepers my vintage welcome. freepmail me.)
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To: Kartographer

Good article.


30 posted on 04/06/2009 1:54:13 PM PDT by stevio (Crunchy Con - God, guns, guts, and organically grown crunchy nuts.)
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To: nnn0jeh

ping


31 posted on 04/06/2009 2:13:46 PM PDT by kalee (01/20/13 The end of an error.... Obama even worse than Carter.)
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To: wac3rd
......."he could force them to engage citizenry, if “provoked".....

"Force" is a relative term. I'm not sure a real patriot could be forced to perform anti American acts. aka Patrick Henry.

32 posted on 04/06/2009 2:56:21 PM PDT by chuckles
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To: chuckles
Without forming a militia ahead of time, we really stand little chance of survival for more than a few days. The government's natural position would be to form a dictatorship( marshall law) and all liberties removed "for our own good". No courts, no police, no governmental organizations, to protect our liberties, in fact, they would be the enemy to liberty.

Why are you giving up before the struggle even starts?

33 posted on 04/06/2009 3:39:10 PM PDT by An Old Man (Use it up, Wear it out, Make it do, or Do without.)
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To: ScreamingFist
I'll leave it to you to study why it's unconstitutional for the US military to fire on civilians.

You're assuming that the majority of the military has been properly educated in the meaning and underpinnings of the US Constitution. I've been a teacher in the public schools for over 20 years. I'm one of the few that does not practice revisionism with a healthy dose of liberal bias injected. I teach in the 4th biggest school district in the nation. Now we know why the liberals slowly infested the education system over 40 years ago. If you don't know the what's and why's of your freedoms, you will be unlikely to lay down your life to preserve same.

34 posted on 04/06/2009 5:44:15 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: Disgusted in Texas; Kartographer

You can get really good deals at beprepared.com. Their prices are fair and their shipping is good. If you can find others to buy with you, sometimes they have discounts on 6 cans or more.

Honeville Grains is also an excellent source. Their shipping is only $5.00!!

I’m with you. I can only spend a certain amount a month (it comes from my grocery budget) on storage stuff. Every month I buy one case of different storage meats from mredepot.com and then buy “sides” from Honeyville and Beprepared.com. Would you believe they sell freeze dried veges like brocolli and spinach, I was stoked when I saw that.


35 posted on 04/06/2009 5:57:14 PM PDT by diamond6 (Is SIDS preventable? www.Stopsidsnow.com)
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To: diamond6

I recommend AAOOB Foods:

http://www.aaoobfoods.com/

Christian company with great prices and great customer service.


36 posted on 04/06/2009 6:48:29 PM PDT by Kartographer
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To: diamond6

Ping for later read


37 posted on 04/06/2009 7:14:34 PM PDT by Redcitizen (I always finish what I st)
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To: An Old Man
......"Why are you giving up before the struggle even starts?".....

Far from giving up, I'm just looking forward. If the bad guys think they will ransack me and mine, they will be piled high in the front yard, but what about a week from then? Another month from then? A year from then?

Our founders had the foresight to form militia's, but today that's a bad word or put off on the Nat Guard. What I'm saying is just having some water and ammo may not get us very far if we want the US to survive a dictatorship. Every man for himself will most likely end with just a bunch of dead men. If it weren't so, Cuba would be free, Venezuela would be free, ect, ect.

Just as an example, picture New Orleans after Katrina. What if the government WASN'T the law enforcer, but the law breaker. One of the first things they did was illegally confiscate weapons from law abiding citizens. What if it went far beyond that? Who would stand against the tyrants? There should be some sort of LOCAL militia plan so we DON"T NEED FEDERAL help. We just always talk about stocking up on ammo and guns every 4 or 8 years, but have NO plan. After IKE, our county judge closed the highways coming and going into Tyler county. We were angry at first, but I'm sure it stopped the rubberneckers, the looters, and the people looking to take our FEMA water and food. Several counties had people driving from place to place collecting free ice, water and MRE's that were needed at the time. Soon after, MRE's started to appear in the local papers for sale.

38 posted on 04/06/2009 10:39:36 PM PDT by chuckles
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