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F-16s Pursue Cessna Stolen by Flight Student - Plane Could Be Shot Down If Deemed a Threat
ABC News ^

Posted on 04/06/2009 7:17:48 PM PDT by MindBender26

Over the skies of the Midwest, two F-16 fighter jets are escorting a private Cessna 172 aircraft stolen from a flight school in Ontario, Canada, whose pilot has been unresponsive to multiple requests that he establish communications with ground controllers.

The plane entered American airspace over Michigan's Upper Peninsula at 3:25 p.m. today and has been trailed by the military aircraft since 4:43 p.m. as it has flown over Minnesota, south through Wisconsin, Illinois and Missouri. The aircraft went past St. Louis flew south over eastern Missouri towards Arkansas. At one point, the Wisconsin state capitol building in Madison was evacuated as a precaution as the plane flew over the city.

In a statement released later today, the college said it was working with local police "to recover the airplane and identify the individual flying the airplane."

Details are scarce as to the identity of the pilot, but NORAD spokesman Michael Kucharek said the pilot is a student at the flight school and that his motives are unknown. The F-16 pilots have made visual contact with the pilot and "know that the person that's flying the aircraft knows that the [F-16] aircraft are there, [he] is unresponsive to their non-verbal directions and is not in contact with the FAA controllers," Kucharek said.

FAA officials also said the Cessna's pilot has not responded to their repeated efforts to hail him on all radio frequencies.

When asked if the fighter jets might have to shoot down the aircraft if it shows hostile intent, Kucharek told ABC News that could happen. "NORAD pilots, once authorized by higher authority, are authorized to use everything within their power to protect U.S. citizens, up to and including lethal force," he said.

(Excerpt) Read more at abcnews.go.com ...


TOPICS: Canada; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Illinois; US: Iowa; US: Michigan; US: Missouri; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: aviation; cessna; hijack; norad; theft; yavuz
A/C now landed on US Highway 60 (Interstate?) in Missouri. More when known
1 posted on 04/06/2009 7:17:48 PM PDT by MindBender26
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To: MindBender26

The single engine Cessna 172 landed on U.S. Highway 60 in Missouri around 9 p.m. CT, and according to sources the pilot ran from the plane.

There were no reports of injuries on the ground.


2 posted on 04/06/2009 7:20:39 PM PDT by MindBender26 (The Hellfire Missile is one of the wonderful ways God shows us he loves American Soldiers & Marines)
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To: MindBender26

I’m keeping my assessment of his religion to myself.


3 posted on 04/06/2009 7:20:43 PM PDT by txhurl (ralph...history books will read: Lincoln freed the slaves & Obama enslaved the free.)
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To: MindBender26

Thanks for the update.

At least it wasn’t flown into a building.


4 posted on 04/06/2009 7:21:40 PM PDT by Palladin (Obama: "I don't want them punished with a baby.")
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To: MindBender26

The pilot ran away on foot? You mean they had no police or anyone waiting for him to land?


5 posted on 04/06/2009 7:23:55 PM PDT by Wisconsinlady
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To: MindBender26

Yep, it landed, here’s the latest http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=7273710&page=1


6 posted on 04/06/2009 7:24:11 PM PDT by hugorand
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To: MindBender26

This guy’s a great pilot-—he squeezed 5.5 hours of flying time out of one hour of fuel.


7 posted on 04/06/2009 7:24:15 PM PDT by Rudder (The Main Stream Media is Our Enemy---get used to it.)
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To: MindBender26

Couldn’t they still pursue him on foot using the F-16’s?

I love watching those videos when they blast away at terrorists running away from a vehicle in Iraq...


8 posted on 04/06/2009 7:24:19 PM PDT by Beaten Valve
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To: Palladin
At least it wasn’t flown into a building.

How much damage could a Cessna 172 do?

9 posted on 04/06/2009 7:25:03 PM PDT by LeGrande (I once heard a smart man say that you can’t reason someone out of something that they didn’t reaso)
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To: MindBender26

Hello, does anyone remember 9/11? OK, I realize Obama doesn’t, but what exactly do you have to do with a stolen plane to get anyone to take it seriously? I mean, they are evacuating government office buildings, so they have to suspect it’s a threat. What about just blowing the effing thing out of the air? #1 removes the threat #2 will serve as a deterrent to other knuckleheads whose intent may be to get on the 11 o’clock news.


10 posted on 04/06/2009 7:25:05 PM PDT by Sir Clancelot
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To: Palladin

building I never understood that word. Does that mean its still under construction? Why don’t they call them Built’s?


11 posted on 04/06/2009 7:25:37 PM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom)
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To: MindBender26
Frm.Microsoft Flight Simulator X Pilot, wanted to fly "the real thing"?
12 posted on 04/06/2009 7:26:21 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (just b/c you're paranoid, doesn't mean "they" aren't out to get you.. :^)
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To: MindBender26
According to the Federal Aviation Administration, the plane was flying for a while at 14,500 feet. Over 10,000 feet the air is quite thin and commercial planes would be pressurized, but the Cessna 172 is not. As a result, the pilot could be suffering from hypoxia, or lack of oxygen, which can lead to confusion.

The plane later dropped its altitude to 3,700 feet, where there is more oxygen.

Another government official said the plane did not seem to be showing any hostile intent.

"It had opportunities to go into heavily populated areas, and it has not done so," the official said. "It appears to be veering around. Not going to urban air space."

13 posted on 04/06/2009 7:26:40 PM PDT by earlJam
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To: Beaten Valve
"Couldn’t they still pursue him on foot using the F-16’s?"

He was laughing his head off as he ran away, so htey decided to use B-52s for an arc light.

14 posted on 04/06/2009 7:27:54 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: MindBender26
I guess I'd like to know why the plan wasn't shot down. We all learn the "follow-me" signal that interceptors give. (I'd also like to know how F-16s manage to fly slowly enough to stay alongside a 172.

ML/NJ

15 posted on 04/06/2009 7:28:51 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: MindBender26

Laura Brown of the Federal Aviation Administration said the Cessna 172 landed on a dirt road at Ellsinore, Mo., near Poplar Grove and the pilot ran away.


16 posted on 04/06/2009 7:29:18 PM PDT by Beaten Valve
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To: Beaten Valve
Couldn’t they still pursue him on foot using the F-16’s?

F-16 isn't ~exactly~ the best tool for that, a helicopter would be better ;~)

17 posted on 04/06/2009 7:30:37 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Rudder
He flies for 5 1/2 hours, lands decently, and has the energy and oxygen to run?


18 posted on 04/06/2009 7:31:32 PM PDT by txhurl (ralph...history books will read: Lincoln freed the slaves & Obama enslaved the free.)
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To: earlJam

Whatever. He stole a plane, eventually was able to land it, and then ran from authorities. He was up to no good and now every one knows we’re not just going to shoot them down next time.


19 posted on 04/06/2009 7:31:46 PM PDT by jennyjenny
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To: Wisconsinlady
The pilot ran away on foot? You mean they had no police or anyone waiting for him to land?

A little hard for police to know where a plane is going to land far enough in advance to stage cars there.

20 posted on 04/06/2009 7:33:28 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: ml/nj
Obama was off busy signing autographs and eating arugula.
21 posted on 04/06/2009 7:34:30 PM PDT by jennyjenny
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To: MindBender26

From http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/04/06/stolen.plane/index.html

A federal law enforcement official told CNN the pilot is a naturalized Canadian citizen, but declined to give his name or country of origin. Canadian officials have received some information that the pilot is “not a happy individual,” the official said.


22 posted on 04/06/2009 7:34:55 PM PDT by LibFreeOrDie (Obama promised a gold mine, but he will give us the shaft.)
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To: al baby

English is not a logical language.


23 posted on 04/06/2009 7:38:22 PM PDT by Palladin (Obama: "I don't want them punished with a baby.")
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To: LeGrande

Cesna 172 flown into a building in Tampa in 1/02

24 posted on 04/06/2009 7:39:31 PM PDT by DogBarkTree (William Wallace: Aye, fight and you may die. Run, and you’ll live... at least a while...)
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To: skinkinthegrass

You said — Frm.Microsoft Flight Simulator X Pilot, wanted to fly “the real thing”?

Ya know..., I completely forgot, but I used to crash into the World Trade Buildings in New York quite regularly.... LOL... (on my flight simulator...). That was back in the 80s...

[... I finally got rid of the program when I realized how many hours I was spending on it... :-) ... ]


25 posted on 04/06/2009 7:43:54 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: HairOfTheDog

But wouldn’t the F16s be sending signals to the ground letting them know where he is?


26 posted on 04/06/2009 7:43:59 PM PDT by Wisconsinlady
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To: Wisconsinlady

CNN : Pilot arrested


27 posted on 04/06/2009 7:45:22 PM PDT by Beaten Valve
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To: MindBender26

Pilot was born in Turkey; moved to Canada in 2008.

Hmmm.....


28 posted on 04/06/2009 7:47:27 PM PDT by Beaten Valve
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To: Beaten Valve

Bets on age/ethnicity?

I’m gonna say 18yo who just got a pic text from his girlfriend?

Not. I think this was to probe our intercept tactics.


29 posted on 04/06/2009 7:49:07 PM PDT by txhurl (ralph...history books will read: Lincoln freed the slaves & Obama enslaved the free.)
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To: LibFreeOrDie

A federal law enforcement official told CNN the pilot is a naturalized Canadian citizen, but declined to give his name or country of origin. Canadian officials have received some information that the pilot is “not a happy individual,” the official said.
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WHAT does that even MEAN?!

“Naturalized?” Uh-huh. Hows about we catch his sorry butt and.... He has NO business here in the US, whatever he was doing, whatever he was up to.

Could very easily have been a “test flight” for a later Terrorist attack of some sort. And it’s for sure they know the US WON’T shoot them down immediately.

NOT a good development.


30 posted on 04/06/2009 7:49:36 PM PDT by patriot preacher (To be a good American Citizen and a Christian IS NOT a contradiction. (www.mygration.blogspot.com))
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To: txhurl

I would have to agree with your assessment.


31 posted on 04/06/2009 7:50:44 PM PDT by jennyjenny
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To: Wisconsinlady

I guess it’s a perspective issue. When you are in a plane, you could literally go anywhere, miles, in minutes. The airplane has the advantage of speed and unlimited options.

A cop would be lucky to choose just the right section of road to be on.... the pilot didn’t even have to pick a road.


32 posted on 04/06/2009 7:51:15 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog

I guess so.


33 posted on 04/06/2009 7:52:07 PM PDT by Wisconsinlady
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To: patriot preacher
We're not only NOT going to shoot it down, we'll probably assist him in achieving the “American Dream” of home ownership.
34 posted on 04/06/2009 7:53:57 PM PDT by jennyjenny
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To: DogBarkTree

That Cessna really did a number on that building didn’t it? : )

Did it break more than two windows?


35 posted on 04/06/2009 7:55:18 PM PDT by LeGrande (I once heard a smart man say that you can’t reason someone out of something that they didn’t reaso)
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To: jennyjenny

The FAA will hire him in some consultantcy.


36 posted on 04/06/2009 7:56:54 PM PDT by txhurl (ralph...history books will read: Lincoln freed the slaves & Obama enslaved the free.)
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To: Rudder

“...he squeezed 5.5 hours of flying time out of one hour of fuel.”

This has gotta be some kind of record overkill for Norad; they could handle this situation with a small helicopter. At its extreme range (prob’ly ran out of gas over Missouri), the 172 could barely carry much beyond the weight of the pilot.


37 posted on 04/06/2009 7:56:57 PM PDT by corvus
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To: HairOfTheDog

All the F16 pilots had to do was fly in front of the Cessna and tell the police where the wreckage is.


38 posted on 04/06/2009 7:59:48 PM PDT by LeGrande (I once heard a smart man say that you can’t reason someone out of something that they didn’t reaso)
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To: LeGrande

The impact was felt all the way to the second cubicle.


39 posted on 04/06/2009 8:19:07 PM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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To: ml/nj
We got very close (but not into) the old Avon Park (Florida) Gunnery Range Prohibited Airspace one night back in about 1963, (about 130kts at 4500 in an old Bonanza V-tailed doctor killer!)

An F-101 came up alongside, flashed his lights and we came up on 121.5. “Mainsail Low Control East” told us to land at Sebring. We did.

Two Air Police cars came, checked our licenses and medicals, and immediately said “They're not the ones” and were about to leave when we said “You sent an F-101 after little old us?”

There reply was, “Not one. There were two. Like gang members, they always travel in twos. You were in the other one’s gunsights the entire time.”

40 posted on 04/06/2009 8:37:43 PM PDT by MindBender26 (The Hellfire Missile is one of the wonderful ways God shows us he loves American Soldiers & Marines)
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To: LibFreeOrDie
A federal law enforcement official told CNN the pilot is a naturalized Canadian citizen, but declined to give his name or country of origin.

And we al know the only time they decline to give the country of origin, that country is a muslim one.

41 posted on 04/06/2009 8:47:56 PM PDT by airborne (Obama is finishing what Osama started! The destruction of the American economy!!!)
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To: MindBender26

Can an F-16 actually remain airborne at the speeds that the Cessna operates at?
Cessnas are sloooow.


42 posted on 04/06/2009 8:55:18 PM PDT by beagleone
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To: beagleone

You got a point there. They’d probably have to do some serious circling of the target. the Cessna would then out-distance them, fuel-wise, maybe, but what do I know about such things.


43 posted on 04/06/2009 10:13:42 PM PDT by CanaGuy (Go Harper!)
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To: Beaten Valve

Pilot was born in Turkey; moved to Canada in 2008.
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One of thousands. It’s only a matter of time. They see weakness and they smell blood. They are on the move.


44 posted on 04/06/2009 10:21:52 PM PDT by mojitojoe ( Idiots elected a Marxist ideologue with narcissistic personality disorder & America is dying.)
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To: mojitojoe

There was a plane that flew past the best of the best of Russias SAMs all the way to Red Square, and some years ago a plane actually flew onto the grounds of the Whitehouse causing minor damage to the facade.

A small aircraft like this can evade detection and could deliver a weapon such as a tactical backpack nuke or a dirty bomb or a biological weapon.


45 posted on 04/06/2009 10:28:10 PM PDT by Eye of Unk ("If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace." T. Paine)
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To: beagleone

Yes they can. Or, they can swoop around and be at your six all day.

The F-16 pilots should have showered him in chaff. Then shower him in flares.

No reaction? Afterburner him.

Then take him out.

But, they gotta follow orders and all that.


46 posted on 04/06/2009 10:34:30 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Atlas Shrugged Mode: ON)
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To: Eye of Unk

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathias_Rust


47 posted on 04/07/2009 4:16:16 AM PDT by robertwalker62
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To: beagleone

Cessna 400 is fast.............................. 238 kts @ 10,000 amsl


48 posted on 04/07/2009 8:52:30 AM PDT by MindBender26 (The Hellfire Missile is one of the wonderful ways God shows us he loves American Soldiers & Marines)
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To: MindBender26

okay. granted. not all Cessnas are slow.


49 posted on 04/07/2009 6:42:09 PM PDT by beagleone
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