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Top Japan Leader (Hosoda) Calls (Condi) Rice & Chris Hill "Weaklings" & "Mistaken" on N. Korea
Sankei Shimbun News (in Japanese) ^ | 7 April 2009 | Sankei Shimbun, (Japanese)

Posted on 04/07/2009 1:42:41 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Japan; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: dprk; hill; japan; korea; legacy; missile; nkorea; northkorea; rice
Chief Cabinet Secretary Hosoda of Ruling Conservative Party in Japan (LDP) rakes former Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice and top US State Department Negotiator Christopher Hill over the coals for their appeasement of and being fooled by North Korea.

Calls them both "weak-kneed" 弱腰 (yowagoshi = "weaklings") and very mistaken in their tactics with North Korea at the "Six Party Talks" (which Hill handled for the US). He went on to say the two were totally hoodwinked and now Japan is in a very dangerous situation. Several persons at the LDP event said that Japan must move forward to defend itself and even one lawmaker (unquoted) as saying the atmosphere is even to the point of Japanese starting to consider the advisability of developing their own nuclear weapon(s) in defense.

The original Japanese is amazing. To have US officials singled out by name is pretty rare, the article says.

1 posted on 04/07/2009 1:42:41 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo
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To: TigerLikesRooster; Jet Jaguar; Candor7; SevenofNine; mkjessup; Cindy; Steel Wolf

Ping.


2 posted on 04/07/2009 1:43:18 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (We live in interesting times.)
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To: All

To be balanced and fair here, in private I am sure Japanese officialdom, in the majority, are fuming about the “new” Rice, Dr. Susan Rice, and of course, over Teleprompter-in-Chief as well. They might be a bit muted since these are actually in power in D.C., but time will tell. Maybe after a few cold Kirin beers, most J. politicians will give you their “honne” about the Messiah and his foreign policy staff in the aftermath of this fiasco and failed test.


3 posted on 04/07/2009 1:46:21 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (We live in interesting times.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Thanks for the post. Very interesting. Obambi may downsize the US nuclear forces but unless he changes the US foreign policy towards NK and Iran post-haste, we will probably see many more countries join the nuclear arms race.

Barack Obama, the rabbit in North Korea's headlights, is Jimmy Carter II

4 posted on 04/07/2009 1:51:37 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

It’s likely that the new and traditional allies in Asia, the Middle East, Eastern Europe and the Caucasus will leave America behind and forge their own alliance.

Maybe in 2012, the US can catch up if it is still standing on both its legs.


5 posted on 04/07/2009 1:52:27 AM PDT by MimirsWell (Scipio Pakistanus)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Let me tell you, an ocean of bitter tears is going to be wept because of what amounts to a concerted criminal neglect by the world’s democracies of the threat posed by rogue states like North Korea. And there will be an ocean of blood to accompany the tears.


6 posted on 04/07/2009 1:59:04 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (What's Black and White and Red all over?)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

In years past, the US would have taken out targets in Iran and North Korea if we thought they were moving towards hav ing nuclear weapons or ICBM’s. But the Iraq War made the Bush administration gun shy.


7 posted on 04/07/2009 2:01:36 AM PDT by Always Right (Obama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

I prefer Sapporro beer.. and My sake heated in a Cedar box!


8 posted on 04/07/2009 2:02:52 AM PDT by philly-d-kidder (Why is the USA upside down Morally??)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

I always figured that the thing the Chinese fear most is a nuclear armed Japan. But that’s what they’ll get if they aren’t careful.

Without the Americans and Japanese to check them, the Chinese are starting to throw their weight around, but I bet they still fear the potential of Japan.


9 posted on 04/07/2009 2:07:51 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The death cult wants death, the Israelis want peace. I, for one, see only one solution.)
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To: Always Right

“the Iraq War made the Bush administration gun shy”

or rather BDS did. The constant shrill shouting. We have to learn to block that out...


10 posted on 04/07/2009 2:11:01 AM PDT by chuck_the_tv_out (click my name)
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To: Always Right
It sucked us dry of our international resources, and it completely occupied his attention to the exclusion of Iraq and to the detriment of being able to keep them (DPRK) in constant view and check, and most importantly, in a state of fear and doubt. Their confidence was noticeably boldened.

They essentially said to State (while reigning in Defense and John Bolton and Dick Cheney-type hawks/realists) "hey, look, we can't start a new fist fight out in Asia in the midst of the sh*t in Iraq/Afghanistan, so YOU (Chris Hill) try your best to reign the Norkies in at the table in Beijing." Meanwhile, the North stalled and ployed, threatened and stormed out, came back, stormed out again, played games, stalled more, worked behind the scenes, (various Freepers screamed on FR!), kept on producing nuclear material, and worked on improving their missile delivery system, taking slow but sure steps forward--particularly in the last three years when Bush Appeasement mode shifted from "Axis of Evil" mode and economically strangulating them. The sea change was when Chris Hill stumbled over his shoeless, hurredly trying to unfreeze their assets in Macao in Banco Delta Asia (how pathetic and a sign of weakness).

This is a problem of being tied down in one region of the world (Middle East) and a potent enemy somewhere else, i.e. like here in Asia, is, the enemy a) knows it, b) faces Vidkun Quisling/Neville Chamberlain-type naive doofuses across the negotiating table perceptibly hot for any deal, whether it intrinsically sucks or not, or whether they have to be responsible for it 10 years later or not. All this is process-oriented State Department bullshit in some remote room somewhere; the real action is in the nuke, chem and bio labs and rocket factories of the DPRK largely hidden from Western view.

God help us. Democrat and Republican foolish administration ALIKE.

11 posted on 04/07/2009 2:17:27 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (We live in interesting times.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Let them take care of it then and we can save our defense dollars for ourselves.


12 posted on 04/07/2009 2:22:57 AM PDT by dajeeps
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To: AmericanInTokyo

If this country would have stood behind Bush then most of that wouldn’t have been a problem. We went into Iraq and Afghanistan and were riding a wave until the dems and the weak kneed republicans started screaming that Bush was a loser. THEY gave it away and made it a long drawn out affair and THEY are the ones who gave NOKO and Iran the courage to kick sand in our face. If this country would have stood behind Bush, Iraq would have been over by now, NOKO would have been handled and Iran would be silent.


13 posted on 04/07/2009 2:25:45 AM PDT by McGavin999 (How's that change old Hopey Dope promised you working out?)
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To: dajeeps

How and under which timeline should we withdraw the troops?


14 posted on 04/07/2009 2:43:10 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (We live in interesting times.)
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To: philly-d-kidder

You da man !


15 posted on 04/07/2009 2:54:14 AM PDT by sushiman
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To: AmericanInTokyo
How and under which timeline should we withdraw the troops?

Wait your turn. We have to pull them out of Germany first.

16 posted on 04/07/2009 2:56:11 AM PDT by FUBO (and EFF EWE Al Gore)
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To: FUBO

Don’t forget Cuba. We have been in Cuba since 1898.


17 posted on 04/07/2009 3:02:24 AM PDT by donmeaker (You may not be interested in War but War is interested in you.)
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To: sushiman

cedar hangovers with sake are the worst.hahaha


18 posted on 04/07/2009 3:24:32 AM PDT by philly-d-kidder (Why is the USA upside down Morally??)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Well the guys in the local neighborhood (Japan) have a Local problem (NK).

we live in the next county over the Ocean.


19 posted on 04/07/2009 3:44:29 AM PDT by 4Speed
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To: philly-d-kidder

I love nihonshu , but hangovers are killers , which is why some years ago I switched to shochu & water as my main drink here in sushiland . I still buy sake from time to time because as I said I love the taste , but pretty much keep to beer ( not Sapporo BTW ...English , when I can find a sale ) and sho chu these days .


20 posted on 04/07/2009 3:53:43 AM PDT by sushiman
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
there will be an ocean of blood to accompany the tears.

If there's any good news in this, it is that it will mostly be liberal blood, since they're concentrated in the areas most likely to be attacked by an enemy emboldened by their Pres__ent. Karma's a b!tch.

21 posted on 04/07/2009 4:05:19 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (The Fairness Doctrine isn't about "Fairness" - it's about Doctrine.)
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To: All

can you imagine what an EMP would do to Japan


22 posted on 04/07/2009 4:16:16 AM PDT by SF_Redux
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To: All

sorry, that would be EMD


23 posted on 04/07/2009 4:16:17 AM PDT by SF_Redux
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Weak-kneed or conniving.

http://www.modernhistoryproject.org/mhp/EntityDisplay.php?Entity=RiceC

24 posted on 04/07/2009 4:30:13 AM PDT by wolfcreek (There is no 2 party system only arrogant Pols and their handlers)
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To: McGavin999

As much as I believe Bush was a lousy president, you’re absolutely right about Iraq/Afghanistan. Much of his lousy decisions, domestic and foreign, could probably be attributed to the pressure he was under from dealing with an openly treasonous congress.


25 posted on 04/07/2009 4:52:14 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: sushiman
Next time I am there I will give it a Try!!hahaha Too Much sake..here..hhahaha Too much sake Pictures, Images and Photos
26 posted on 04/07/2009 4:58:48 AM PDT by philly-d-kidder (Why is the USA upside down Morally??)
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To: 4Speed

Great analysis.


27 posted on 04/07/2009 5:03:42 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (We live in interesting times.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
He went on to say the two were totally hoodwinked and now Japan is in a very dangerous situation.

Money, bitches!

Show us the dough.

These operations cost a lot, and now we speak in terms of Trillions.

Including the US cost of the Marshall plan, and the effects of your economic warfare (dumping) you're very likely starting out with a huge negative number.

Put up or shut up.

28 posted on 04/07/2009 5:04:01 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (RATs...nothing more than Bald Haired Hippies!)
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To: philly-d-kidder; sushiman
I would be MORE than happy to start a specific, separate thread on Japanese sake, photos, etc..

But this one happens to be on North Korean missiles and US diplomacy. Could you kindly please help us return it to that topic? Hey, thanks.

29 posted on 04/07/2009 5:06:24 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (We live in interesting times.)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER
You do realize the annualized amount of money Japan officially already subsidizes the US military to be in Japan under MDA and SOFA agreement(s), omoiyari yosan, land, Japanese support, base security, housing, etc. etc., don't you? You have studied this issue I take it. What is your understanding of their current burden?
30 posted on 04/07/2009 5:09:49 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (We live in interesting times.)
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To: wolfcreek

Yep. Good synonyms would be: panty waist. p*ssy. wuss. chickensh*t. etc. etc. Thanks for the link.


31 posted on 04/07/2009 5:11:27 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (We live in interesting times.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

” Maybe after a few cold Kirin beers, most J. politicians will give you their “honne” about the Messiah and his foreign policy staff in the aftermath of this fiasco and failed test. “

You started it ! LOL . Have some sake and chill out .


32 posted on 04/07/2009 5:43:47 AM PDT by sushiman
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Japan can put a satellite in orbit around the moon. I’m sure they could put a warhead in Beijing if need be. China knows this; they also know that their mega-cities would be sitting ducks in a nuclear exchange.

It’s a MAD, MAD, MAD, MAD world.


33 posted on 04/07/2009 7:06:59 AM PDT by Poe White Trash
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To: AmericanInTokyo
"To be balanced and fair here, in private I am sure Japanese officialdom, in the majority, are fuming about the “new” Rice, Dr. Susan Rice, and of course, over Teleprompter-in-Chief as well. They might be a bit muted since these are actually in power in D.C., but time will tell. "

For the always diplomatic Japanese, a bold way to warn Obama that he'd better take the NORKs more sereiously, orthey might go nuclear (which for them is simply a matter of deciding to do it + 12 months of work).

34 posted on 04/07/2009 7:14:08 AM PDT by cookcounty (Obama's got Bush's inheritance .......and now he wants your kids'.)
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To: All

The misdirected statements of Japan will turn around as soon as they find out our Obamanation in the WH has cut the teeth out, by taking money from the defence system that not only monitors, but can blow up most anything the N.Koreans put up. Rice and Chris Hill did what they could and tried for eight years to bring on China and others to stop this mad country with starving people from what they are doing now. It was stated by Fox yesterday that the little pig pot is no longer the leader is in control..their military is doing the job.


35 posted on 04/07/2009 7:59:01 AM PDT by cousair
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To: Poe White Trash
The Japanese landed a spacecraft on a comet, a much much more difficult task than hitting a city next door to your country. China should be careful for what they wish for. The exit of the US from the Western Pacific may not bring about the hegemony they dream of.
36 posted on 04/07/2009 8:26:00 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The death cult wants death, the Israelis want peace. I, for one, see only one solution.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

The Japanese cannot count on the United States using it’s military or nuclear weapons to defend Japan from China nor North Korea and should develop their own nuclear weapons and missiles. They need to be able to stand against China and North Korea on their own.


37 posted on 04/07/2009 9:52:36 AM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

And let’s not forget that nuclear India successfully landed a lunar probe last November. It looks like they’re not twiddling their thumbs, either.


38 posted on 04/07/2009 10:26:27 AM PDT by Poe White Trash
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To: ScaniaBoy

we will probably see many more countries join the nuclear arms race
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And obambi has a response.....get rid of our nukes!

Coward and Chief obambi


39 posted on 04/07/2009 10:32:12 AM PDT by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
The exit of the US from the Western Pacific may not bring about the hegemony they dream of.

It might bring about the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere, though.

40 posted on 04/07/2009 11:26:39 AM PDT by nina0113 (Hugh Akston is my hero.)
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To: sushiman
yes, but i STOPPED it, too (after one post)

hiccup!

41 posted on 04/07/2009 7:35:54 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (We live in interesting times.)
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