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Electricity Grid in U.S. Penetrated by Spies
Wall Street Journal ^ | April 8, 2009 | SIOBHAN GORMAN

Posted on 04/07/2009 7:38:04 PM PDT by Snoopers-868th

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1 posted on 04/07/2009 7:38:04 PM PDT by Snoopers-868th
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To: Snoopers-868th

Looks like you beat an army of like minded posters on this one.


2 posted on 04/07/2009 7:40:56 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: pissant

I just heard this on Greta VanSusteren.


3 posted on 04/07/2009 7:41:42 PM PDT by sheikdetailfeather (Rush Limbaugh Has An Army)
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To: pissant

I was just going to tell the Mods they could delete it as I so many posted. LOL


4 posted on 04/07/2009 7:42:15 PM PDT by Snoopers-868th
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To: sheikdetailfeather; Calpernia

Let me guess. Chicoms


5 posted on 04/07/2009 7:42:58 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: Snoopers-868th

Kinda makes the idea of a smart grid a lot less wise.


6 posted on 04/07/2009 7:44:32 PM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: Snoopers-868th

The Chicoms and the Russian have hacked into Free Republic and are creating dozens and dozens of duplicate postings.

HELP!


7 posted on 04/07/2009 7:44:38 PM PDT by George from New England (escaped CT 2006; now living north of Tampa Bay)
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To: Snoopers-868th

I wonder how true this is. I can’t imagine such systems would be hooked up to the Internet for any reason. Of course, people who work for these companies could be in a position to breach security...


8 posted on 04/07/2009 7:44:59 PM PDT by pnh102 (Save America - Ban Ethanol Now!)
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To: pissant

Chicoms and Russians.


9 posted on 04/07/2009 7:45:48 PM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Be prepared for tough times. FReepmail me to learn about our survival thread!)
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To: cripplecreek

It seems the more advanced we become the more vulnerable we are.


10 posted on 04/07/2009 7:46:30 PM PDT by Snoopers-868th
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; george76; ...

Oh, that big 1982 Siberian explosion?
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11 posted on 04/07/2009 7:46:37 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Snoopers-868th
Okay, for the third time, since we seem to have one thread now...

From the article:

Last week, Senate Democrats introduced a proposal that would require all critical infrastructure companies to meet new cybersecurity standards and grant the president emergency powers over control of the grid systems and other infrastructure.

12 posted on 04/07/2009 7:47:32 PM PDT by teenyelliott (Soylent green should be made outta liberals...)
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To: pnh102
The growing reliance of utilities on Internet-based communication has increased the vulnerability of control systems to spies and hackers, according to government reports.

It is sheer criminal negligence to put critical systems like this on the internet. The results were predictable.

I say let the indictments fly.

13 posted on 04/07/2009 7:48:58 PM PDT by bornred
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To: Snoopers-868th

The story is leaked now in order to give cover to the Cybersecurity legislation which puts the internet under White House control. I already heard an earlier story about the millions spent by the Pentagon fixing cyberspace break-ins.

Terrorism will be denied by this administration until they want to use it to justify treading on our liberty. [In usual form, this is the strategy that they blamed on Bush.]


14 posted on 04/07/2009 7:49:37 PM PDT by the_Watchman
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To: pnh102

Your guess is as good as mine but don’t they have controlled outages in California? If so, I would suspect that computers is how they control them.


15 posted on 04/07/2009 7:49:52 PM PDT by Snoopers-868th
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To: teenyelliott
grant the president emergency powers over control of the grid systems and other infrastructure.

Damn. Like we need enemies.

16 posted on 04/07/2009 7:50:20 PM PDT by glock rocks (Candy apple purple! I don't have ADD, it's just dyslexia and, wait... do you like waffles?)
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To: teenyelliott

If one more Democrat whines about the abuses of power in the Bush administration I’m going to smack the snot of of them!!!!!!


17 posted on 04/07/2009 7:50:58 PM PDT by Blogger (It is in the religion of ignorance that tyranny begins. - Ben Franklin)
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion
Chicoms and Russians.

Nope....grant the president emergency powers over control of the grid systems and other infrastructure.

Kenyans

18 posted on 04/07/2009 7:51:08 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy Saints surrounded)
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To: teenyelliott
Last week, Senate Democrats introduced a proposal that would require all critical infrastructure companies
to meet new cybersecurity standards and grant the president emergency powers over control of the grid systems and other infrastructure.


Just last week...well, isn't that convenient...
19 posted on 04/07/2009 7:51:16 PM PDT by novemberslady
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To: Snoopers-868th

We are architecting a whole new grid to be more secure and carry the juice required to manage an electric car environment. This is a very big project.
See
http://www.freedm.ncsu.edu/freedm_systems


20 posted on 04/07/2009 7:51:18 PM PDT by Andy from Chapel Hill
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To: teenyelliott

This might make some sense if Obama would not just mess things up.


21 posted on 04/07/2009 7:52:13 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Beat a better path, and the world will build a mousetrap at your door.)
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To: glock rocks

Perhaps I’m just a wee bit paranoid. Everything the guy does seems sinister to me.


22 posted on 04/07/2009 7:52:46 PM PDT by teenyelliott (Soylent green should be made outta liberals...)
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To: teenyelliott

Notice when they trot out security as an issue they quote current and “former” officials. I’d guess that a lot of these former officials are from the Clinton administration.


23 posted on 04/07/2009 7:52:58 PM PDT by the_Watchman
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To: teenyelliott
Why does one man need so much?

Zero's mama really screwed her kid up.

24 posted on 04/07/2009 7:53:27 PM PDT by highpockets
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To: Snoopers-868th

Wow, three posts within seconds of one another. Yours was first :)


25 posted on 04/07/2009 7:55:14 PM PDT by beaversmom
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To: the_Watchman

Instead of “Terrorism” they’ll say “Sabotage”

There is now a small group of Republican Congressmen who want to require that all activity on “internet communication services” (including your personal home wireless router even if password protected) be logged for two years. This means your old wireless router will have to be tossed as it has no hard drive. Sometimes I wonder if the tin foil hats of the Rats and Pubs deserve each other.


26 posted on 04/07/2009 7:56:14 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Beat a better path, and the world will build a mousetrap at your door.)
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To: beaversmom

LOL, probably the first time in my life I have been first and it had to be a subject I know little about.


27 posted on 04/07/2009 7:58:57 PM PDT by Snoopers-868th
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To: teenyelliott
grant the president emergency powers over control of the grid systems and other infrastructure.

Yeah what could go wrong with that?

28 posted on 04/07/2009 7:59:51 PM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Be prepared for tough times. FReepmail me to learn about our survival thread!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
There is now a small group of Republican Congressmen who want to require that all activity on “internet communication services” (including your personal home wireless router even if password protected) be logged for two years. This means your old wireless router will have to be tossed as it has no hard drive. Sometimes I wonder if the tin foil hats of the Rats and Pubs deserve each other.

Next stop:


29 posted on 04/07/2009 8:00:31 PM PDT by wolf24 ("Reality is putting The Onion out of business...")
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To: Repeat Offender

Good one, but scary


30 posted on 04/07/2009 8:01:20 PM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Be prepared for tough times. FReepmail me to learn about our survival thread!)
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To: the_Watchman

After immediate panic, I read the article, and realized that this could be to scare us into giving up our internet freedom in the name of “security”.

So, what do we all think. Is this FUD or a real threat?


31 posted on 04/07/2009 8:01:59 PM PDT by jacquej
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To: teenyelliott

I don’t disagree with you in the slightest.


32 posted on 04/07/2009 8:02:29 PM PDT by glock rocks (Candy apple purple! I don't have ADD, it's just dyslexia and, wait... do you like waffles?)
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To: Snoopers-868th

It’s a good idea to have a plan so you can live off the grid for at least a month. I have well water, so when the electricity’s off, we have no water. I’ve store up extra food and have invested in some 55 gallon drums for an emergency water supply.

I wish I could afford a back up hand pump for my water system, but that will have to wait for another day. Just paid my taxes, you know.


33 posted on 04/07/2009 8:02:40 PM PDT by keats5
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion
Glad I got my hand pump installed on my well. ;)
34 posted on 04/07/2009 8:03:07 PM PDT by teenyelliott (Soylent green should be made outta liberals...)
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To: jacquej

I suspect either way they are determined to take our internet freedom.


35 posted on 04/07/2009 8:04:31 PM PDT by Snoopers-868th
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To: keats5

Funny, I just commented about having my hand pump installed last week. My well guys call ‘em Y2K pumps. HA!!


36 posted on 04/07/2009 8:05:43 PM PDT by teenyelliott (Soylent green should be made outta liberals...)
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To: keats5

After about five days off the grid, hungry people will be driving trucks through the front door of Albertsons/Safeway/Acme. After another five, they’ll be roaming the neighborhood. A month? Sarajevo.


37 posted on 04/07/2009 8:06:20 PM PDT by glock rocks (Candy apple purple! I don't have ADD, it's just dyslexia and, wait... do you like waffles?)
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To: keats5

I cannot have a well as I am in the city. I have stored up extra food but I need to do water as well. I can live without lights but living without the computer might put me in a real poor state of mind.


38 posted on 04/07/2009 8:07:12 PM PDT by Snoopers-868th
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I hope the answer to this problem is not smart grids...

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/smartgrid
http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/smartgrids


39 posted on 04/07/2009 8:08:41 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: Snoopers-868th

During a wind caused 48-hour power outage a couple years ago, my internet continued just fine. I powered the PC and DSL modem from an inverter off the troock. It was weird, I could Google but I had no lights in the house.


40 posted on 04/07/2009 8:10:34 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Beat a better path, and the world will build a mousetrap at your door.)
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To: teenyelliott

Last week, Senate Democrats introduced a proposal that would require all critical infrastructure companies to meet new cybersecurity standards and grant the president emergency powers over control of the grid systems and other infrastructure.
________________
go for it obummer. Wonder who will have the advantage in the dark?


41 posted on 04/07/2009 8:12:41 PM PDT by mojitojoe ( Idiots elected a Marxist ideologue with narcissistic personality disorder & America is dying.)
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To: pnh102
I wonder how true this is. I can’t imagine such systems would be hooked up to the Internet for any reason. Of course, people who work for these companies could be in a position to breach security...

The grids are controlled by data circuits which isn't quite the same thing. But communication that travels on wire or air is hackable. The only question left would be how easy it would be to do so. For what's it's worth many utilities now can have an on call employee manually reset sub station switches after hours at their home via computer link up.

42 posted on 04/07/2009 8:13:21 PM PDT by cva66snipe ($.01 The current difference between the DEM's and GOP as well as their combined worth to this nation)
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To: Snoopers-868th
For some technical background on SCADA.
43 posted on 04/07/2009 8:13:58 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I am on cable. What is troock?


44 posted on 04/07/2009 8:14:16 PM PDT by Snoopers-868th
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To: mojitojoe
Very good point. I wonder which side is better prepared to handle a crisis? Can you say...New Orleans???

Thank you, you just made me feel better.

45 posted on 04/07/2009 8:14:22 PM PDT by teenyelliott (Soylent green should be made outta liberals...)
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To: Cindy

It’s who the smart grids can listen to.

Just last night I was reading in some music equipment catalog about devices intended to use “white space” (spectrum freed up by changing over from old analog TV to the new digital stuff). They said, no problem, you can put entries into a public FCC database to reserve a piece of spectrum for a given time. I was thinkin’, hoo boy won’t THAT be easy to spam and DOS! Especially when gummit public safety communications are supposed to amicably “share” this.


46 posted on 04/07/2009 8:14:26 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Beat a better path, and the world will build a mousetrap at your door.)
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To: Snoopers-868th

As in pickup troock. That’s how they say truck in Oklahoma


47 posted on 04/07/2009 8:16:09 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Beat a better path, and the world will build a mousetrap at your door.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

hahahahahahahah Note to self: Read screen names.


48 posted on 04/07/2009 8:18:08 PM PDT by Snoopers-868th
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To: teenyelliott

How handy.......

Such timing.....


49 posted on 04/07/2009 8:20:58 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma ( PRAY! Pray for the U.S. Pray for Israel.)
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To: Cindy

bttt


50 posted on 04/07/2009 8:23:47 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma ( PRAY! Pray for the U.S. Pray for Israel.)
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