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Electricity Grid in U.S. Penetrated by Spies
Wall Street Journal ^ | April 8, 2009 | SIOBHAN GORMAN

Posted on 04/07/2009 7:38:04 PM PDT by Snoopers-868th

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To: LibertyRocks

Your comments are great, Liberty. I didn’t know that one voter machine company was owned by Chavez. I think I remember something about that but it’s just coming back to my mind.

I really think things are going to get very, very ugly. Very.


101 posted on 04/07/2009 10:39:14 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: LibertyRocks
Never mind the fact that one particular voting machine company is OWNED BY VENEZUELA’S COMMUNIST GOVERNMENT/CHAVEZ! Talk about insanity!)

That's right! I remember that during the 2004 election. It's even more unbelievably blatant now.. Three words.. Senator Stewart Smalley. *shudders*
102 posted on 04/07/2009 10:41:33 PM PDT by divine_moment_of_facts ("Hey Liberals.. We don't lower our standards, so up yours!" - Andrew Wilkow show)
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To: little jeremiah

Thank you, LJ. I agree with you...


103 posted on 04/07/2009 10:41:48 PM PDT by LibertyRocks ( http://LibertyRocks.wordpress.com ~ ANTI-OBAMA STUFF : http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: Snoopers-868th
The power grid is an Achilles heel; an outdated, piecemeal system with a huge target on it. I know someone who designs and manufactures high voltage transmission equipment, who plainly told me that with a half-dozen explosive devices an informed operative could take out at least half the country's grid with ease, and that it could take months to get it back online. Never mind the EMP Gingrich has been going on about...old fashioned C-4 or well-placed dynamite could send us back 200 years in an instant.
104 posted on 04/07/2009 10:41:58 PM PDT by americanophile
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To: Snoopers-868th

Not that I believe it. When do they allege this is to have taken place? How many years ago?


105 posted on 04/07/2009 10:57:48 PM PDT by lainie (The US congress is full to the brim of absolutely disgusting thieves who deserve humiliating ouster.)
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To: keats5
have invested in some 55 gallon drums for an emergency water supply.

As an experiment, I put a 55 gal plastic drum under the down spout on the house gutters. ONE short southern rain shower filled it up. Just FYI.

Just FYI. I built a diverter that would allow the first dozen gallons to bypass before it overflowed into the drum to allow dirt/debris to mainly bypass the drum. However, I have a creek 50 yds away, so I'm in good shape.

Next experiment, outhouse :-)

106 posted on 04/08/2009 1:43:42 AM PDT by MrPiper
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To: HiTech RedNeck
The problem isn't the internet; it's the numbnuts that use it for things that should never be connected to it.

The growing reliance of utilities on Internet-based communication has increased the vulnerability..

The internet is just a cheaper network. If they're gonna spend all those bucks, they can build their own closed and secure one.

107 posted on 04/08/2009 2:42:04 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: MrPiper

I use the creek behind my house as an outhouse.

- Your upstream neighbor


108 posted on 04/08/2009 2:58:05 AM PDT by frankjr (I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.)
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To: teenyelliott
Psyops against liberty. If only one person had control over _______ (fill in the blank) then the bad event wouldn't have happened. Barney Frank argues that every day.
109 posted on 04/08/2009 4:00:21 AM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: Snoopers-868th
Cyberspies have penetrated the U.S. electrical grid and left behind software programs that could be used to disrupt the system,

Really? And here I was thinking they'd leave such programs to improve the system's performance.

110 posted on 04/08/2009 4:02:08 AM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
This might make some sense if Obama GOVERNMENT would not just mess things up.
111 posted on 04/08/2009 4:02:43 AM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: novemberslady

Last week, Senate Democrats introduced a proposal that would require all critical infrastructure companies
to meet new cybersecurity standards and grant the president emergency powers over control of the grid systems and other infrastructure.

Just last week...well, isn’t that convenient...
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So...Zero’s gonna be like...”Who run Bartertown?” (Master Blaster) Greeeeeat.


112 posted on 04/08/2009 4:06:58 AM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear ("The smallest minority on earth is the 'individual'." ~ Rush Limbaugh)
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To: highpockets
Zero's mama really screwed her kid up.

I've said as much in several posts. A white woman in 1961 who took up with a black African man would have had to be a nut case, a complete and total nut case. Not being racist here, just a realist. Given that, the fact that his father abandoned him quite young, and his mother gave him to his grand parents to raise, and you have a profile of a miserable childhood. IMHO, Barack 0bama's mother was a vile, selfish loon who did great harm to her son.

113 posted on 04/08/2009 4:18:35 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (The Fairness Doctrine isn't about "Fairness" - it's about Doctrine.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Also how many people have passwords to these systems on their laptop computers?

This only begs the question... why is such information on a laptop to begin with? Why aren't these laptops locked down so that users cannot install their own software? All of these things are possible to do but a lot of people refuse to do them.

114 posted on 04/08/2009 4:35:55 AM PDT by pnh102 (Save America - Ban Ethanol Now!)
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To: pnh102

‘Cause Windoze technology has surged several years past effective security technology for same. Even though Bill Gates brags that the stuff has been in there since he wrote the first byte of Windoze, it had to be controlled. It’s like a house with locks that, when installed per the accompanying instructions, let anybody in.

Linux and other UNIX work-alikes, along with true UNIX systems, have the advantage of effective security being designed in from the get-go.


115 posted on 04/08/2009 4:51:47 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Beat a better path, and the world will build a mousetrap at your door.)
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To: Hardastarboard

Obama’s Mama was being rebellious, on purpose.

The grandparents did as best they could, and nobody reports that Barack was a misbehaved boy. His liberal angst came later, when he went to university (the Bill Ayers ghostwritten version reads it back into his secondary school youth).


116 posted on 04/08/2009 4:56:05 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Beat a better path, and the world will build a mousetrap at your door.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
‘Cause Windoze technology has surged several years past effective security technology for same. Even though Bill Gates brags that the stuff has been in there since he wrote the first byte of Windoze, it had to be controlled. It’s like a house with locks that, when installed per the accompanying instructions, let anybody in.

This is a red herring. The fact is that it is possible to lock down a Windows installation so that it becomes far more difficult for security problems to occur. If an organization chooses not to do this, then that is its own fault.

117 posted on 04/08/2009 4:57:37 AM PDT by pnh102 (Save America - Ban Ethanol Now!)
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To: pnh102

POSSIBLE, of course.

Easy to neglect for the harried system administrator, equally true!

There are suites of third party administrative software now available that ease this task. This should never have had to be, had Bill Gates thought ahead.


118 posted on 04/08/2009 5:03:19 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Beat a better path, and the world will build a mousetrap at your door.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
There is now a small group of Republican Congressmen who want to require that all activity on “internet communication services” (including your personal home wireless router even if password protected) be logged for two years.

Link?

119 posted on 04/08/2009 5:07:27 AM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Obama's multi- trillion dollar agenda would be a "man caused disaster")
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

Brain too dull, but check the likes of www.eff.org (internet liberals wailing about it).


120 posted on 04/08/2009 5:14:33 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Beat a better path, and the world will build a mousetrap at your door.)
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To: teenyelliott; traviskicks; bamahead; Gabz

Ping to post 12


121 posted on 04/08/2009 5:28:07 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: teenyelliott; NYer; nw_arizona_granny; WKB
From the article:

Last week, Senate Democrats introduced a proposal that would require all critical infrastructure companies to meet new cybersecurity standards and grant the president emergency powers over control of the grid systems and other infrastructure.

Sheesh. Every time I read the something like this, I feel more and more like I'm living in a Left Behind book.

122 posted on 04/08/2009 5:29:48 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: teenyelliott

You’ll be laughing last when you have water and nobody else does.

It’ll be a different story when everyone comes begging to you for water. Not so funny after all, is it?


123 posted on 04/08/2009 5:33:45 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: G8 Diplomat

We should be working on disruption of China’s and Russia’s electric grids. But of course the Demo-Socialists are too busy worrying about the global warming hoax.

Reminds me, what will be Hillary’s “sanctions” against North Korea? Cut off the free food we send the Communists? Doubt it. The Obama administration and Congress are Socialist, so they are birds of a feather with Communists. They are friends, and both enemies of capitalism and freedom.


124 posted on 04/08/2009 5:46:11 AM PDT by pleikumud
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http://blog.newyorkcitycommunity.us/2008/01/19/cia-says-hackers-have-cut-power-grid.aspx?view=threaded



I wonder if this is what happened when NYC lost their power?  I always found that story about the tree falling a bit unbelievable.

August 2003 - NYC Blackout


The whole of the city was dark and the setting sun painted one building.


CIA Says Hackers Have Cut Power Grid

Several cities outside the U.S. have sustained attacks on utility systems and extortion demands.

Criminals have been able to hack into computer systems via the Internet and cut power to several cities, a U.S. Central Intelligence Agency analyst said this week.

Speaking at a conference of security professionals on Wednesday, CIA analyst Tom Donahue disclosed the recently declassified attacks while offering few specifics on what actually went wrong.

Criminals have launched online attacks that disrupted power equipment in several regions outside of the U.S., he said, without identifying the countries affected.

The goal of the attacks was extortion, he said.

"We have information, from multiple regions outside the United States, of cyber intrusions into utilities, followed by extortion demands," he said in a statement posted to the Web on Friday by the conference's organizers, the SANS Institute.

"In at least one case, the disruption caused a power outage affecting multiple cities. We do not know who executed these attacks or why, but all involved intrusions through the Internet."

"According to Mr. Donahue, the CIA actively and thoroughly considered the benefits and risks of making this information public, and came down on the side of disclosure," SANS said in the statement.

*snip*

He confirmed SANS' report of the talk. "There were apparently a couple of incidents where extortionists cut off power to several cities using some sort of attack on the power grid, and it does not appear to be a physical attack," he said.

125 posted on 04/08/2009 6:16:16 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: pissant

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2224558/posts?page=125#125


126 posted on 04/08/2009 6:16:53 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: frankjr

LOL, a much needed moment of levity in an unnerving thread. :)


127 posted on 04/08/2009 6:52:12 AM PDT by agrace
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To: pnh102
I can’t imagine such systems would be hooked up to the Internet for any reason.

They are, for remote monitoring and the ability to adjust quickly to a changing situation such as an unplanned outage.

128 posted on 04/08/2009 6:53:00 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: metmom
No, no, none of it is funny. Any of us who prepare will be targeted if things go badly.

I read an article the other day in a Dallas newspaper about those people who are living like "normal people", yet are making preparations to survive if something happens. Several people would not give their names. They didn't want people to think they were doomsday kooks, and they didn't want people knocking down their doors when TSHTF, either.

129 posted on 04/08/2009 7:11:14 AM PDT by teenyelliott (Soylent green should be made outta liberals...)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
The grandparents did as best they could

If my post sounded like I was in any way blaming the grand parents, that wasn't my intent. If it was offensive, I apologize. I was reciting the history of 0bama's childhood as I've heard it.

130 posted on 04/08/2009 7:15:35 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (The Fairness Doctrine isn't about "Fairness" - it's about Doctrine.)
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To: Snoopers-868th

Once again... over to you zer0! What say you?


131 posted on 04/08/2009 7:32:55 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Meanwhile, the sheeple graze mindlessly while awaiting slaughter at Hope and Change Ranch)
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To: teenyelliott

I know it’s not funny at all.

You’re right about those being prepared being targeted.

But you’re safe telling us.....


132 posted on 04/08/2009 7:52:52 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
I don't feel safe talking about any of this.

I am afraid of my own government. How's that for tyranny.

Hopefully we will all look back on this in a few years, and be glad that we were wrong.

133 posted on 04/08/2009 7:58:58 AM PDT by teenyelliott (Soylent green should be made outta liberals...)
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To: Calpernia

Unless a focused wetworks effort is made, these sorts of extortions will only escalate as they succeed. And it makes no difference in what country these attacks originate, the wetwork must be carried out mercilously.


134 posted on 04/08/2009 8:02:28 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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M E R C I L E S S L Y


135 posted on 04/08/2009 8:03:43 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Snoopers-868th

Texas electrical system (ERCOT) is distinct from the rest of the USA.

Wonder if it is less vulnerable.


136 posted on 04/08/2009 8:14:19 AM PDT by Jewbacca
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To: Snoopers-868th
I wonder how much it would cost to have one's own private electrical grid. It may require an acre or two for solar panels. Sure, it would cost more, but not being dependent on the public grid would be worth it.
137 posted on 04/08/2009 8:22:56 AM PDT by Momaw Nadon ("...with the ultimate goal of ending tyranny in our world.")
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To: Momaw Nadon
Sure, it would cost more, but not being dependent on the public grid would be worth it.

You don't understand how much more it would cost.

138 posted on 04/08/2009 8:51:33 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney
You don't understand how much more it would cost.

Do you have a $ figure in mind?

139 posted on 04/08/2009 9:02:07 AM PDT by Momaw Nadon ("...with the ultimate goal of ending tyranny in our world.")
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To: Momaw Nadon

Typical residential application, to be 100% independent? Around $100,000-150,000, varying by region.


140 posted on 04/08/2009 9:04:00 AM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (I can spell just fine, thanks, it's my typing that sucks.)
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To: Momaw Nadon
How big a house and where is located?

Big difference in solar panel requirements in Phoenix versus Seattle.

How many days of rain are you willing to buy battery-back to run the house?

141 posted on 04/08/2009 9:05:03 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Snoopers-868th

I think we should change US hacking laws to allow Americans to apply the same techniques to anyone who so much as scans an American computer network.


142 posted on 04/08/2009 9:07:42 AM PDT by Glenn (Free Venezuela!)
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To: 1010RD

If Obami gets his white house control over the electric grid they will most likely will have the ability to shut it or parts of it down “for national security”. And if the software switches are installed in what is probably today’s more secure code then the foreign hackers will just use the new federal mandated patches as their gate to wreck havoc.


143 posted on 04/08/2009 9:15:13 AM PDT by George from New England (escaped CT 2006; now living north of Tampa Bay)
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To: thackney
How big a house and where is located?

Average size 1 family home in a northwestern state such as Wyoming, Idaho, Montana, Utah.

How many days of rain are you willing to buy battery-back to run the house?

As many as it takes. I suppose wind power could be used to supplement the solar power.

144 posted on 04/08/2009 9:15:38 AM PDT by Momaw Nadon ("...with the ultimate goal of ending tyranny in our world.")
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To: Travis T. OJustice; thackney
$100,000-150,000: Cost of private solar and/or wind energy generation.



100% personal energy independence: PRICELESS!!!

145 posted on 04/08/2009 9:22:09 AM PDT by Momaw Nadon ("...with the ultimate goal of ending tyranny in our world.")
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To: papasmurf
This is how he’s gonna ram his “smart” grid down our throats.

They will use it as a reason to push smart grid.....

.....but in reality, it should be a reason NOT to do smart grid.

146 posted on 04/08/2009 9:23:19 AM PDT by SteamShovel (Global Warming, the New Patriotism)
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To: Momaw Nadon

It would be sweet to do, for sure.


147 posted on 04/08/2009 9:29:31 AM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (I can spell just fine, thanks, it's my typing that sucks.)
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To: Calpernia

“Several cities outside the U.S. have sustained attacks on utility systems and extortion demands.”

You could say that the greenies demands and the O administration moves as a different for of extortion. I removes $$$ from our wallets with no return value.


148 posted on 04/08/2009 9:29:43 AM PDT by George from New England (escaped CT 2006; now living north of Tampa Bay)
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To: George from New England

“Several cities outside the U.S. have sustained attacks on utility systems and extortion demands.”

You could say that the greenies demands and the O administration moves to solar and wind power as a different form of extortion. It removes $$$ from our wallets with no return value.

>> Sorry for the typos, Firefox auto spell checks but that’s no good without a proof read too.


149 posted on 04/08/2009 9:43:34 AM PDT by George from New England (escaped CT 2006; now living north of Tampa Bay)
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To: unkus

Just in case someone hasn’t answered you yet... Fear,Uncertainty, Doubt...

frequently used by Mac owners when reading various software sellers of anti-virus software claiming that something or other is going to infect Macs.

They hope to sell stuff to the gullible, when all these have to do is not download junk from the ‘net, and then type in their password to install the crap.

But, it looks like FUD is spreading to the general public, thanks to a growing lack of trust in the .gov and the mainstream media.


150 posted on 04/08/2009 10:14:49 AM PDT by jacquej
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